Hello Jeff, I was waiting for this video to make my decision; however, I made my decision three weeks ago and purchased the RS4 PNP version based on your build series and review. It was the perfect choice for myself because I do not own a PC, I only have Macs. I followed your build series to the letter and setup and when I maiden it very early in the morning (no wind), it hovered about six feet off the ground for thirty seconds hands off with no forward and sideway movement. I then flew circuits of circles and figure eights. I am not a 3d pilot...yet but this heli was a pleasure and easy to fly at 55%. I can get about eight minutes of flight time on the 1800 mah 70c battery. Thank you again for your videos and hard earned efforts. Without them, it would have been more difficult for me as this was my first build and setup on a heli. I watch your build series on the RS4 Venom on the HeliDirect web site and can't wait to see your test flight. Take care and thank you again. I greatly appreciated all your efforts in helping others in this hobby to make it grow stronger. 🧙♂👍
Hello! I am very happy to hear that videos helped you get your model set up and flying perfectly in Trace appoint. That is what I try to do with my channel and make them as easy to follow as possible to make sure everybody has success! The RS4 is an incredible model, and a great choice.I am very happy to hear that videos helped you get your model set up and flying perfectly in Trace appoint. That is what I try to do with my channel and make them as easy to follow as possible to make sure everybody has success! The RS4 is an incredible model and a great choice! , I hope you have a lot of happy and great flights with it
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I have been trying to post a comment under this video multiple times, and every time I posted it, it mysteriously vanished shortly after. Sometimes seconds, sometimes half an hour or so. No idea what's up with that, sorry I assumed it was you if it wasn't. Short form is, you can contact your retailer for a free replacement of your transport damaged canopy at OMPHOBBY's cost. Sending them a 2-liner and a photo via email should suffice, and they will make it right, which will be a very easy and free resolution for your issue. If you contact your retailer about it today, you will have a new canopy in your hands in a couple days, possibly before the weekend, and very likely can even keep your current canopy as a backup/beater canopy. If you do not contact your retailer however, how would they ever know anything is wrong, how are they supposed to resolve your issue? Please be aware that OMPHOBBY was on holiday the week you reported this issue, so they weren't in a position to reply. They will also not be able to replace it directly out of China, as it would be very uneconomical and would take much longer than obtaining a replacement through your retailer. I'm hoping this comment will persist.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Seems the comments are persistent within this comment chain. While this works, I would like to add a note about the power, as well as the FBL setup: Regarding headspeed and motor performance, please be aware that 90% throttle is above the maximum rated RPM for the airframe. Maximum allowed is 3500RPM (87.5%), at 90% you are running the helicopter at 3600RPM. The motor is optimized for governing around 3000RPM with maximum efficiency, with 3500RPM being possible, but requiring good condition batteries in order to be able to hold the RPM under high load. Turning your throttle up to 100% unfortunately will not help either, as you're taking away almost all governor headroom and you will see even more bogging. At that point you would be running 4000RPM, which is way over the rated rotor speed of the airframe. Please avoid doing this. Instead, I would recommend that you try increasing your collective pitch range. I don't know how much collective pitch you're running, but my personal recommendation is 2800RPM-3000RPM (70-75%) with +-14° collective, which will be plenty for almost all styles of 3D flying. The absolute maximum any of our pilots run is 3200RPM, I don't think anyone besides Tareq will ever need anything more than that. Otherwise, yes, try a better Lipo if you still want to run very high headspeed. The motor is rated to easily be up to the task up to 3500RPM, but your battery has to be able to hold its voltage to provide sufficient current to eventually make the required torque. The OMPHOBBY 6S 2000mAh 70C battery seems to be doing a good job at these high loads. As for the gains, you can find a pre-made BRAIN2 setup on the M4 product page of the OMPHOBBY website under Support&Manual, which should take 95% of the tuning work out of the setup. Happy flying, enjoy the M4!
After a large analysis of the design of the M4 and RS4, I realized that the M4 is a more competent helicopter in terms of design, I also realized that the cost of spare parts for the M4 is much more pleasant, given that the quality of both helicopters is identical. I also got 2 canopies from the RS4 and they were of terrible quality, both were damaged out of the box. Unfortunately, I only flew RS4 and I want to say that it drains the 1800mah battery very quickly. Appearance is a matter of taste, but the pc4 is ugly in my opinion. Definitely I should get this M4, it is the most thoughtful helicopter in its class. I also want to say that the native pc4 controller is very stable, but as a person flying a futaba cgy760, I'm used to the impeccable accuracy of the helicopter, so the pc4 controller flies terribly for me, the helicopter seems to be constantly floating at stops.
Yes, the design of the M4 is nice but the designer of the M4 is white kills the helicopter. The way the company handled a certain situation and other situation that I have personally seen leave me to not support them. No doubt that every company is going to have issues, but it is how it is resolved. Heli Canopies come cracked quite often. But they always replace them. Not OMP. Blade shipping and get left high and dry. Now I will agree that the flight controller that comes with the RS4 PNP is definitely not the best. Leaves a bit to be desired for that is why I built the venom with a iKon. As far as eating the battery, I have not experienced that. I flew both helicopters side-by-side today same time or same head speed, and the M4 motor was extremely hot to the point of could not touch it and battery came down at 15% 4 minute flight on a 6s 1800mAh. The RS4 with the same battery and head speeds came down at 15% as well and motor was cool. Much more efficient motor and a lot more power. Personally, my choice is the RS4 over the M4.
The M4 definitely should not fly 'heavy'. It sounds like you havent got enough collective pitch range? Recommend that you follow the setup in the manual on page 20. DO NOT run throttle as high as 90 or 100%, this would be approaching 4000RPM which exceeds the maximum safe RPM (3500) and certainly not necessary, even for the most hardcore 3D flying. Personally I use 70% (2800RPM) and 14 deg pitch as my highest headspeed, as per the manual.
Fantastic Flight Jeff! It was flying much better and more responsive at 90% than it was at 70%. Cheers my friend and I hope that you and your Family had a wonderful 4th of July!!
Hey Larry! We had a great Fourth of July. I hope you had a great day as well! It was much better at 90% throttle a lot more responsive Internet feel as heavy.
Can’t see it. Use the zoom function on your go pro. 1.5 or 1.8 works well. The Omp esc is your issue. That heli is on rails. It’s not heavy at 14 degrees pitch. Use a Hobbywing 60 on your ikon2 governor. Any esc gov sucks on a small heli.
The only problems on the maiden were just some tuning issues. There was no actual problem. All the issues I had was with the build, and the customer service and the way the situation was treated.
Why is this so misleading? I have both M4 & RS4 and the M4 is just better designed and the tail performance is significantly better on a much wider rpm range. You either lack tuning on your M4 or just sellout for gosky.
Lol what’s “ misleading” about it? I own both models as well. There is absolutely zero difference and tail performance between both models. The M4 is heavier. It flies heavier and it does not have the power especially about the venom has. There’s nothing to do with either or brand lol.
I appreciate your build videos and your honest feedback and opinions. I also recognize the frustration and irritation of bad customer service, it is truly discouraging. This time, and for a change, I built and flew the M4 before your build videos. I experienced no issues with the build, and for me, doing light 3D, the M4 serves as good trainer. Actually less tail issues with my M4 than with my T-Rex 470. Then again the M4 feels less agile than the 470. I guess the latter is related to the power to weight ratio, which you also comment on in your video. I would still personnaly recommend the M4 as a well suited and affordable 3D trainer for intermediate pilots. (PS: I have never dealth directly with OMP nor their customer service.)
Awesome video as per usual! Any suggestions or recommendations on videos to watch to help wrap my head around how to tune the Brain2/ikon2? Just finished up building an M4 and it has a tail wag. Not really sure what to adjust and if it’s done from the transmitter or the MSH program. The transmitter I’m using is a IX14 Thanks for the help and suggestions!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m working on a “how to tune iKon/Brain” video now. Been super busy and trying to make sure it’s a complete step by step Gide. The M4 definitely needs lots of tuning on the head. I’m going to make a separate tail wag video, and what to do.
Hi Jeff. I have been watching your build, set up and maiden-Well done and great flying! It is disappointing in the performance you encountered during the maiden. I recently purchased and built the M4 as I have been very pleased with the M1 & M2. This is also my first time with the IKON2. I am no where near the pilot you are but my maiden went very well. You indicated you needed to adjust the cyclic gains and the tail. Would you be able to go into some detail or direct me to more info on this? Thanks
Hello! Thank you! I was very disappointed in a few things on this model, but mainly the customer service of OMP Hobby. I’ve got a couple more flights on it today. Mainly just messing around with Cyclic gains trying to get the wobble out. I’ve got it pretty close. I lowered normal mode cyclic gain down to 23% and it has helped a lot. I have not gotten the high speed tail shake out of yet but as soon as I do I will let you know how I did it.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for the reply Jeff! I am actually going to get the RS4 Venom next and build it with the same set up you used, including the IKON2. It seems this heli is getting some pretty high marks.
@@dabdavis of course! I try and replay/answer to every comment! The RS4 venom is great! You will be happy with both models! I have a comparison video on the RS4 Venom and M4 coming out very soon!
I was waiting a bit to buy it. I have an m1 and M2 I want to bypass the M2 Evo because I put Evo main and tail blades on my M2 and with a better battery it flys way better! What should I get instead for a 380 size? You did not mention an alternative.
I would highly recommend the Goosky RS4 venom or a SAB Raw 420. A lot of guys love their M4 and I’m personally happy for my personal experience was bad. So that does affect my judgment slightly because I can’t personally recommend a model to people to purchase when customer service and the way the situation was handled.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I fully understand. I watched the whole build and I even commented about how good you did it. I'm experienced and think the quality is there. But the canopy damage concerned me. I was going to stick with OMP but the motor is a little weak and the venom they say has a strong motor. This is the exact reason you make videos and we benefit from it. I can only get one right now and keep my wife. Thanks for the reply. I'm going to look at the raw 420
Both models fly good! The M4 is heavier and flies heavier than the venom. The venom has more power and a cooler running motor! You’ll hear that the tail performance is so much better on the M4 than the venom but that’s just not the case. The tail on the venom is incredible very solid, locked performance. And I personally like the canopy design better on the venom then the M4.
Hi Jeff, One can literally hear that you are not amused about the way things went with the customer service. Whatever happened, that is certainly not the way any customer should feel 🤔 Besides what is really strange is that the rpm of the motor drops so much under load. Can there be an issue with the ESC settings? It hard to imagine that OMP put something that underpowered on the market. Setting the throttle to 100% cannot be the right solution since it must lead to a very high (maybe critical) rpm! On the other side the motor is crucial in a direct drive heli since you have live with whatever comes with the kit.. Anyway I am looking forward to your comparison video - I think all three helis are very interesting and sexy 😀
Hello! So, I for one was very excited about the M4. For a long time ever since the very first rumor of it came out years ago. As you or anyone who watches the channel knows, I promote all helicopters regardless of the brand. After I built the kit I had a few issues. I simply made a post on an OMP group on Facebook. Stating the issues that I had with the build and I was disappointment immediately I was getting bashed by the designer of the helicopter and multiple of OMP Hobby’s team, pilots and representatives. Immediately started calling me a hater that I purposely made issues with the kit just to bash and promote another product and so on. Meanwhile, I never stated any other product any other company or helicopter just facts of the issues that I ran into. I was left high and dry and I am personally not the owner of this helicopter. I built for a customer the issues were never resolved and just a big FU because apparently it was me. So now the owner gets a helicopter back with a destroyed brand new canopy out of the box. We had to buy out of pocket a new tail shaft because it was bent and drilled holes in the carbon fiber just tightened the boom clamps down. A combination of the issues and the way that the situation was handled. Really turn me off of OMP for good. I could personally never promote or recommend their products because of the attitude in the customer service that was given. I hope that at least songs of the situation and what i dealt with. On top of all that I was very disappointed to hear the RPM and motor bog so bad under hard loads. I did turn the throttle curve up to 100% on another flight and yes the RPM was higher but still bog down. This kit could’ve been one and 1000 with issues. I know every helicopter that is mass-produce is going to have issues and I am one to fix problems but when a company responds the way they did that is enough for me to never support them.
I have the Omp m2 evo . I had issues with the screws in the tail boom bracket where in so tight the heads broke off loosening them trying to instal the micro heli scratch canopy and tail canopy. It was brand new never crashed. I then had problems with the radio Zorro that came with the rtf kit. I msged them in January about all of it. I still have heard nothing. I got my hobby store to contact them as well with no reply . I was a bit disappointed on having the heli down for 3 weeks waiting for the tail block that was on back order to come in. Even if they don’t replace the 5 dollar part . A reply back would have been nice. Seems like there customer service is non existent.
It’s a shame! You are not the first person that has had that happen on an into and OMP will just put it under the rug and blame you as a customer and not an issue with their model. There was countless people that had Shrewsbury golf because the factory use the red Loctite, and without knowing and you do It’s a shame! You are not the first person that has had that happen on a into and OMP will just put it under the rug and blame you as a customer and not a issue with their model. There was countless people that had Shrewsbury golf because the factory use the red Loctite and without knowing and you do not heat them up, you will break those little screws every time. With the M4, I simply made a post, pointing out the issues that I had when building the model. Having to drill the frame sides out to fit a driver, having a bent tail shaft out of the box, and the canopy being cracked in multiple places on a brand new Kit! The designer of the helicopter immediately started bashing me, and anybody that knows me or that chimed in to state similar incidents or issues and 100% blamed me for the issues that I had during the build. The issues were never resolved they did not take accountability and basically left it out to dry so I’ve got a helicopter that brand new with a broken canopy and I had to purchase a tail shaft which is no big deal but now you have to purchase a $80 canopy? Not right
Do you mean drill the horn out so it slides through? No it makes zero difference if you drill the horn out or thread it in. Threading it in is better because it locks the ball onto the horn and if the locking nut ever comes out or backs off inflate the ball link cannot pop off
Unfortunately if you try to contact any Chinese manufacturer during their vacation period (the national 'Dragan Boat Festival' holiday in this case) you wont get a quick reply. If you have a problem what you need to do is contact the dealer that supplied the product. This way you will get a quick resolution to the problem. OMP absolutely stand behind their products, but splashing it all over FB rather than contacting your dealer is not the way to go about resolving a problem.
Hello Jeff,
I was waiting for this video to make my decision; however, I made my decision three weeks ago and purchased the RS4 PNP version based on your build series and review. It was the perfect choice for myself because I do not own a PC, I only have Macs. I followed your build series to the letter and setup and when I maiden it very early in the morning (no wind), it hovered about six feet off the ground for thirty seconds hands off with no forward and sideway movement. I then flew circuits of circles and figure eights. I am not a 3d pilot...yet but this heli was a pleasure and easy to fly at 55%. I can get about eight minutes of flight time on the 1800 mah 70c battery. Thank you again for your videos and hard earned efforts. Without them, it would have been more difficult for me as this was my first build and setup on a heli. I watch your build series on the RS4 Venom on the HeliDirect web site and can't wait to see your test flight. Take care and thank you again. I greatly appreciated all your efforts in helping others in this hobby to make it grow stronger. 🧙♂👍
Hello! I am very happy to hear that videos helped you get your model set up and flying perfectly in Trace appoint. That is what I try to do with my channel and make them as easy to follow as possible to make sure everybody has success! The RS4 is an incredible model, and a great choice.I am very happy to hear that videos helped you get your model set up and flying perfectly in Trace appoint. That is what I try to do with my channel and make them as easy to follow as possible to make sure everybody has success! The RS4 is an incredible model and a great choice! , I hope you have a lot of happy and great flights with it
@@westhobbiesrc8051 are you deleting my comments?
@@Johnny31297 no Im not, I don’t delete comments.. unlike others.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I have been trying to post a comment under this video multiple times, and every time I posted it, it mysteriously vanished shortly after. Sometimes seconds, sometimes half an hour or so. No idea what's up with that, sorry I assumed it was you if it wasn't.
Short form is, you can contact your retailer for a free replacement of your transport damaged canopy at OMPHOBBY's cost. Sending them a 2-liner and a photo via email should suffice, and they will make it right, which will be a very easy and free resolution for your issue. If you contact your retailer about it today, you will have a new canopy in your hands in a couple days, possibly before the weekend, and very likely can even keep your current canopy as a backup/beater canopy. If you do not contact your retailer however, how would they ever know anything is wrong, how are they supposed to resolve your issue? Please be aware that OMPHOBBY was on holiday the week you reported this issue, so they weren't in a position to reply. They will also not be able to replace it directly out of China, as it would be very uneconomical and would take much longer than obtaining a replacement through your retailer.
I'm hoping this comment will persist.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Seems the comments are persistent within this comment chain. While this works, I would like to add a note about the power, as well as the FBL setup:
Regarding headspeed and motor performance, please be aware that 90% throttle is above the maximum rated RPM for the airframe. Maximum allowed is 3500RPM (87.5%), at 90% you are running the helicopter at 3600RPM. The motor is optimized for governing around 3000RPM with maximum efficiency, with 3500RPM being possible, but requiring good condition batteries in order to be able to hold the RPM under high load. Turning your throttle up to 100% unfortunately will not help either, as you're taking away almost all governor headroom and you will see even more bogging. At that point you would be running 4000RPM, which is way over the rated rotor speed of the airframe. Please avoid doing this.
Instead, I would recommend that you try increasing your collective pitch range. I don't know how much collective pitch you're running, but my personal recommendation is 2800RPM-3000RPM (70-75%) with +-14° collective, which will be plenty for almost all styles of 3D flying. The absolute maximum any of our pilots run is 3200RPM, I don't think anyone besides Tareq will ever need anything more than that. Otherwise, yes, try a better Lipo if you still want to run very high headspeed. The motor is rated to easily be up to the task up to 3500RPM, but your battery has to be able to hold its voltage to provide sufficient current to eventually make the required torque. The OMPHOBBY 6S 2000mAh 70C battery seems to be doing a good job at these high loads.
As for the gains, you can find a pre-made BRAIN2 setup on the M4 product page of the OMPHOBBY website under Support&Manual, which should take 95% of the tuning work out of the setup.
Happy flying, enjoy the M4!
After a large analysis of the design of the M4 and RS4, I realized that the M4 is a more competent helicopter in terms of design, I also realized that the cost of spare parts for the M4 is much more pleasant, given that the quality of both helicopters is identical. I also got 2 canopies from the RS4 and they were of terrible quality, both were damaged out of the box. Unfortunately, I only flew RS4 and I want to say that it drains the 1800mah battery very quickly. Appearance is a matter of taste, but the pc4 is ugly in my opinion.
Definitely I should get this M4, it is the most thoughtful helicopter in its class.
I also want to say that the native pc4 controller is very stable, but as a person flying a futaba cgy760, I'm used to the impeccable accuracy of the helicopter, so the pc4 controller flies terribly for me, the helicopter seems to be constantly floating at stops.
Yes, the design of the M4 is nice but the designer of the M4 is white kills the helicopter. The way the company handled a certain situation and other situation that I have personally seen leave me to not support them. No doubt that every company is going to have issues, but it is how it is resolved. Heli Canopies come cracked quite often. But they always replace them. Not OMP. Blade shipping and get left high and dry. Now I will agree that the flight controller that comes with the RS4 PNP is definitely not the best. Leaves a bit to be desired for that is why I built the venom with a iKon. As far as eating the battery, I have not experienced that. I flew both helicopters side-by-side today same time or same head speed, and the M4 motor was extremely hot to the point of could not touch it and battery came down at 15% 4 minute flight on a 6s 1800mAh. The RS4 with the same battery and head speeds came down at 15% as well and motor was cool. Much more efficient motor and a lot more power. Personally, my choice is the RS4 over the M4.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 OMP will replace any canopy that is damaged in transit but you need to contact your dealer to get a replacement.
The M4 definitely should not fly 'heavy'. It sounds like you havent got enough collective pitch range? Recommend that you follow the setup in the manual on page 20. DO NOT run throttle as high as 90 or 100%, this would be approaching 4000RPM which exceeds the maximum safe RPM (3500) and certainly not necessary, even for the most hardcore 3D flying. Personally I use 70% (2800RPM) and 14 deg pitch as my highest headspeed, as per the manual.
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Thank you! I greatly appreciate that! I try my best.
That’s one of the beauties of nitro, mosquito control
It really is! Never have mosquitoes when flying Nitro’s!
If you're going to do an RS4 vs. M4 comparison, could you add a Raw 420 at the end of it?
I am going to do a separate comparison with the 420. That way it’s like all my comparisons videos.
That's even better!!! Thank you.
@@AllanG1914 you’re welcome!
Fantastic Flight Jeff! It was flying much better and more responsive at 90% than it was at 70%. Cheers my friend and I hope that you and your Family had a wonderful 4th of July!!
Hey Larry! We had a great Fourth of July. I hope you had a great day as well! It was much better at 90% throttle a lot more responsive Internet feel as heavy.
Can’t see it. Use the zoom function on your go pro. 1.5 or 1.8 works well. The Omp esc is your issue. That heli is on rails. It’s not heavy at 14 degrees pitch. Use a Hobbywing 60 on your ikon2 governor. Any esc gov sucks on a small heli.
Do a piro flip . You be surprised how smooth it is vs. others.
Btw. Awesome flying!! 👍🏼
Thank you! I appreciate it, it does fly good.
Well that was very interesting. I Hope i don’t get problems on my maiden
The only problems on the maiden were just some tuning issues. There was no actual problem. All the issues I had was with the build, and the customer service and the way the situation was treated.
Why is this so misleading? I have both M4 & RS4 and the M4 is just better designed and the tail performance is significantly better on a much wider rpm range. You either lack tuning on your M4 or just sellout for gosky.
Lol what’s “ misleading” about it? I own both models as well. There is absolutely zero difference and tail performance between both models. The M4 is heavier. It flies heavier and it does not have the power especially about the venom has. There’s nothing to do with either or brand lol.
Oh yeah! If I was a “goosky sell out” why would I make OMP M4 videos!? Hmmm…. Lol thank you for watching!!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Just ignore. Haters will always find a way to hate
@@jiawenbao3698 Yes they will! Always going to be haters!
I appreciate your build videos and your honest feedback and opinions. I also recognize the frustration and irritation of bad customer service, it is truly discouraging.
This time, and for a change, I built and flew the M4 before your build videos. I experienced no issues with the build, and for me, doing light 3D, the M4 serves as good trainer. Actually less tail issues with my M4 than with my T-Rex 470. Then again the M4 feels less agile than the 470. I guess the latter is related to the power to weight ratio, which you also comment on in your video. I would still personnaly recommend the M4 as a well suited and affordable 3D trainer for intermediate pilots.
(PS: I have never dealth directly with OMP nor their customer service.)
I will stick with my raw 420! Yes sir 😁
The RAW 420 is a fantastic model!
Awesome video as per usual! Any suggestions or recommendations on videos to watch to help wrap my head around how to tune the Brain2/ikon2?
Just finished up building an M4 and it has a tail wag. Not really sure what to adjust and if it’s done from the transmitter or the MSH program. The transmitter I’m using is a IX14
Thanks for the help and suggestions!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. I’m working on a “how to tune iKon/Brain” video now. Been super busy and trying to make sure it’s a complete step by step Gide. The M4 definitely needs lots of tuning on the head. I’m going to make a separate tail wag video, and what to do.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 looking forward to it! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with the community!
Whne you fly more often you should show off some cyclones moves!
I'd also like to see you compare this to the Raw 420. I haven't seen a M4 in person, but it looks almost similar size to the 420?
That is definitely in the works! It is slightly smaller as far as overall length and blade length.
Hi Jeff. I have been watching your build, set up and maiden-Well done and great flying! It is disappointing in the performance you encountered during the maiden. I recently purchased and built the M4 as I have been very pleased with the M1 & M2. This is also my first time with the IKON2. I am no where near the pilot you are but my maiden went very well. You indicated you needed to adjust the cyclic gains and the tail. Would you be able to go into some detail or direct me to more info on this? Thanks
Hello! Thank you! I was very disappointed in a few things on this model, but mainly the customer service of OMP Hobby. I’ve got a couple more flights on it today. Mainly just messing around with Cyclic gains trying to get the wobble out. I’ve got it pretty close. I lowered normal mode cyclic gain down to 23% and it has helped a lot. I have not gotten the high speed tail shake out of yet but as soon as I do I will let you know how I did it.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Thanks for the reply Jeff! I am actually going to get the RS4 Venom next and build it with the same set up you used, including the IKON2. It seems this heli is getting some pretty high marks.
@@dabdavis of course! I try and replay/answer to every comment! The RS4 venom is great! You will be happy with both models! I have a comparison video on the RS4 Venom and M4 coming out very soon!
I was waiting a bit to buy it. I have an m1 and M2 I want to bypass the M2 Evo because I put Evo main and tail blades on my M2 and with a better battery it flys way better! What should I get instead for a 380 size? You did not mention an alternative.
Goosky rs4 venom. But still you might have a different experience with the m4 i still haven’t had problems with building my m4 except one
I would highly recommend the Goosky RS4 venom or a SAB Raw 420. A lot of guys love their M4 and I’m personally happy for my personal experience was bad. So that does affect my judgment slightly because I can’t personally recommend a model to people to purchase when customer service and the way the situation was handled.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 I fully understand. I watched the whole build and I even commented about how good you did it. I'm experienced and think the quality is there. But the canopy damage concerned me. I was going to stick with OMP but the motor is a little weak and the venom they say has a strong motor. This is the exact reason you make videos and we benefit from it. I can only get one right now and keep my wife. Thanks for the reply. I'm going to look at the raw 420
I'm on the fence between the venom and the m4 guys kinda leaning towards the venom.i like the frame and canopy colors more on the venom.
Both models fly good! The M4 is heavier and flies heavier than the venom. The venom has more power and a cooler running motor! You’ll hear that the tail performance is so much better on the M4 than the venom but that’s just not the case. The tail on the venom is incredible very solid, locked performance. And I personally like the canopy design better on the venom then the M4.
Hi Jeff,
One can literally hear that you are not amused about the way things went with the customer service. Whatever happened, that is certainly not the way any customer should feel 🤔
Besides what is really strange is that the rpm of the motor drops so much under load. Can there be an issue with the ESC settings? It hard to imagine that OMP put something that underpowered on the market. Setting the throttle to 100% cannot be the right solution since it must lead to a very high (maybe critical) rpm!
On the other side the motor is crucial in a direct drive heli since you have live with whatever comes with the kit..
Anyway I am looking forward to your comparison video - I think all three helis are very interesting and sexy 😀
Hello! So, I for one was very excited about the M4. For a long time ever since the very first rumor of it came out years ago. As you or anyone who watches the channel knows, I promote all helicopters regardless of the brand. After I built the kit I had a few issues. I simply made a post on an OMP group on Facebook. Stating the issues that I had with the build and I was disappointment immediately I was getting bashed by the designer of the helicopter and multiple of OMP Hobby’s team, pilots and representatives. Immediately started calling me a hater that I purposely made issues with the kit just to bash and promote another product and so on. Meanwhile, I never stated any other product any other company or helicopter just facts of the issues that I ran into. I was left high and dry and I am personally not the owner of this helicopter. I built for a customer the issues were never resolved and just a big FU because apparently it was me. So now the owner gets a helicopter back with a destroyed brand new canopy out of the box. We had to buy out of pocket a new tail shaft because it was bent and drilled holes in the carbon fiber just tightened the boom clamps down. A combination of the issues and the way that the situation was handled. Really turn me off of OMP for good. I could personally never promote or recommend their products because of the attitude in the customer service that was given. I hope that at least songs of the situation and what i dealt with. On top of all that I was very disappointed to hear the RPM and motor bog so bad under hard loads. I did turn the throttle curve up to 100% on another flight and yes the RPM was higher but still bog down. This kit could’ve been one and 1000 with issues. I know every helicopter that is mass-produce is going to have issues and I am one to fix problems but when a company responds the way they did that is enough for me to never support them.
I have the Omp m2 evo . I had issues with the screws in the tail boom bracket where in so tight the heads broke off loosening them trying to instal the micro heli scratch canopy and tail canopy. It was brand new never crashed. I then had problems with the radio Zorro that came with the rtf kit. I msged them in January about all of it. I still have heard nothing. I got my hobby store to contact them as well with no reply . I was a bit disappointed on having the heli down for 3 weeks waiting for the tail block that was on back order to come in.
Even if they don’t replace the 5 dollar part . A reply back would have been nice. Seems like there customer service is non existent.
It’s a shame! You are not the first person that has had that happen on an into and OMP will just put it under the rug and blame you as a customer and not an issue with their model. There was countless people that had Shrewsbury golf because the factory use the red Loctite, and without knowing and you do It’s a shame! You are not the first person that has had that happen on a into and OMP will just put it under the rug and blame you as a customer and not a issue with their model. There was countless people that had Shrewsbury golf because the factory use the red Loctite and without knowing and you do not heat them up, you will break those little screws every time. With the M4, I simply made a post, pointing out the issues that I had when building the model. Having to drill the frame sides out to fit a driver, having a bent tail shaft out of the box, and the canopy being cracked in multiple places on a brand new Kit! The designer of the helicopter immediately started bashing me, and anybody that knows me or that chimed in to state similar incidents or issues and 100% blamed me for the issues that I had during the build. The issues were never resolved they did not take accountability and basically left it out to dry so I’ve got a helicopter that brand new with a broken canopy and I had to purchase a tail shaft which is no big deal but now you have to purchase a $80 canopy? Not right
Have you ever flown the screw through the hole in the servo arm without threading it into the servo arm? as through hole?
Do you mean drill the horn out so it slides through? No it makes zero difference if you drill the horn out or thread it in. Threading it in is better because it locks the ball onto the horn and if the locking nut ever comes out or backs off inflate the ball link cannot pop off
Thats a shame, customer service is what sells products.
Yes it does! And when you have really bad customer service that will push people away faster than anything else.
Unfortunately if you try to contact any Chinese manufacturer during their vacation period (the national 'Dragan Boat Festival' holiday in this case) you wont get a quick reply. If you have a problem what you need to do is contact the dealer that supplied the product. This way you will get a quick resolution to the problem. OMP absolutely stand behind their products, but splashing it all over FB rather than contacting your dealer is not the way to go about resolving a problem.