Vilanova Racing Preview
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- We are less than two weeks away from the first preliminary regatta of the 37th America's Cup, hosted in Vilanova. Mozzy, Rob and Tom take a look at the event details and discuss the relevance of competition this far out from the Match.
0:00 - Intro
1:07 - Relevance to Cup match
2:35 - Creating a 'product'
4:55 - Event format
9:44 - Catalonia as a venue
12:00 - Upwind starts
13:40 - Too dangerous?
17:30 - Do the sailors care?
22:40 - Team selection pressures
24:19 - Outtro
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I sense the more beer you feed rob, the more rogue he gets. I vote more beer for rob 👍🏻
Mate I would suggest a live interactive discussion with your mates and your audience to answer question and bring in new topics. Thank you again for your vast expertise, insight and knowledge on sailing.
Great idea, noted!
Great to see the three of you discussing the Americas Cup👍
Awesome to see the team back together! Looking forward to your coverage, and more beer for Rob please. This is gonna be great!
Upwind starts - with prestart tactics in more maneuverable and faster accelerating boats. Bring it on! The repertoire for pre starts was largely unexplored during the last cup. Not enough time and not enough space and it seemed sometimes ... just no desire. Lets hope some real chances for tactical dial ups that can be passed so the real Cup provides time and space for prestarts this time.
And then ... roll on Youth and Women's America's Cups. Be interesting to see if the compositions of the crews change to give women and youth sailors a chance to get experience.
Love your 3 expert conversations! Thank you
Fun discussion, Tom. Great to see the team together again - relaxed, with obviously lots of summer on the water. Enjoy Vilanona.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Always a good bit of fun and we leave more informed every time. Cheers
Excellent set up in the shed, about time some sponsors got on board your channel. A point to raise is that this fleet race is to set up a feeder channel into a foiling class. This opens up another whole class to re-invigorate sailing as a whole. Keep up the great work.
Just watching the vlog and a really insightful point was made, the AC40s being used as a 'taster' for the event to come - planned or not, I think it is positive from that perspective. Oddly I don't see SailGP as a 'Competitor' at this point, the wider audience is not yet used to sailsport in these forms, and it is certainly not a regular Saturday night watch! In general I thought that this was a really interesting and informing conversation.
I guess until there's scheduling conflicts they'll compliment eachother.
@@weatheranddarkness most of the Americas Cup sailors are also in SailGP teams, so I don't think there's any way scheduling conflicts would be permitted to exist.
@@BruceHoult Quite true
Great show Mozzy. One design boats, it is all down to the teams sailing ability, no excuses for equipment, none of them will be OK with being off the pace.
Yes thanks for the talk!
What fun in the new studio(shed). See you at the regatta
Never knowingly without a pint 🎉 love you Rob
Great video again. Thank you.
On the format, i would like to see 2 race courses, so, when one race ends, its into the prep for the next, this would allow more match racing. This could at least work for the first round robin. But it probably would meet the requirements for the advertising partners demands for coverage of their products.
This actually has a lot of potential, thinking about how a lot of olympic disciplines are filmed for TV, sometimes cutting between two or more competitions in parallel. It can produce an interesting build up especially if it's like quarter or semifinals.
Glad your all back! Rob nailed it with the comment regarding missing crosses in SailGP. This has been my biggest problem with SailGP. They'll switch away from an important cross to show a close-up of people on boats going fast. For new fans, the spectacle is important. But for those who want to watch a race, it's very frustrating. Also, SailGP seems to completely ignore shifts and puffs, which often have as much, if not more, of an affect on the outcome of the race vs pure boat speed. Lastly, the commentary for SailGP is often quite shallow. As was said "Look at the boats go fast!" only goes so far. I'm really hoping AC can do a much better job with the fleet racing with respect to these things. Do it like F1!
Another important aspect you're overlooking is the Race Committee setup, boat tracking and rules application . If that's not polished for the main Cup racing it will leave viewers frustrated with inconsistent decisions, 'wrong' decisions and such. Also the more of these events, the more attempts the media teams have to polish on screen overlays and info panels, as well as dealing with on-board audio streams. There is a lot of finicky detail that needs working out ahead of the 'main show'. I know you touched on production quality, but for the non-sailor viewers, this is all critical to the commercial success of the event. And without money, there is no America's Cup!
Race committee set up is a really good point. Iain Murray is PRO again (has been since AC34). Pretty sure it the same chief umpire.
They're released race 'conditions' but I've not seen a set of racing rules yet. Last they were pretty similar to the modified World Sailing rules for fast grand prix raving (forgot proper name) which are very similar to Sail GP.
Last point is deeply spurious. The AC has always cost money to participate in, but the idea of the AC event itself as a commercial proposition is very new and not at all necessary.
@jameslittlewood7821 True, but it definitely impacts the quality of the event. And for example, it's money driving the decision by ETNZ to hold this event in Barcelona and not in NZ.
True, the cup in some shape or form persists no matter if it's just two billionaires in a one-off match race or a multinational event like modern times.
Good job on the studio, my view they will care hope they will dig into their pockets for Bart’s foundation
Thanks!
Always look fwd to your videos. 👍
Thanks Peter!
Talking about needing a build up for grudge matches etc….sounds like what you want is a “Drive to Survive” series but on water for the AC.
I would love that!
I'm beginning to wonder how visually entertaining this AC will be. With all the crew seated, facing forward for the duration of the race - all we will see will be the tops of their helmets. Compare this to SailGP, with crew members constantly crossing the boat, looking all around and onboard discussions/emotions. It will be interesting to contrast the coverage in Vilanova to the upcoming SailGP in Saint-Tropez.
I remember watch aussiee rule football live for first time. Having watched a bit on tv, you realise how much of the background story that tv completely misses.
These lads should be sailing their 800's, not talking in a shed! 😆
I see all teams taking the event seriously, regardless of no points. Being able to gauge the strength of opponents will be invaluable … that said, I could see a superior team sandbagging .. I’d consider that as taking it seriously tho (-8
Smash the like button guys and gals. 16k views and just 400+ likes doesn't stack up.....
Never underestimate the ability of the broadcast package providers to make the coverage incoherent by cutting to another shot just as something is about to happen, be it a change of direction, a cross, or mark rounding. They don't seem to comprehend the relevant details of a race, instead preferring to cut to pretty-looking, well composed/balanced images, that provide no significant insight.
Thanks for this Moz. Enjoyed it. I hope coverage of AC is better than coverage of Sail GP which seems to have directors who have no understanding of racing. I can cope with the KPH and the idiotic commentary but they keep showing vanity shots of the crew, and crowds and close ups of the boats - and miss the key moments of the race. And now the view from down on the water with Lisa Darmanin.
Are they gonna have a drone ship anchored at the race? Launching and retrieving (GPS locking in), battery changes/recharging……
How do I turn off the captions? They're very distracting! Love the content, keep it up
They're only on the first 30 second or so, just for those who autoplay
Hi, I have been watching since before the last americas cup inc your recon observations. You didn’t talk about how the boats will be set up. I am assuming the boats are development boats even though all the rule basics are the same. Won’t this have an influence on performance?
All the boats will be reverted to completely manufacturer supplied one design. There are some very small customisations they're allowed such as tape and woolies, bit mostly for class racing the rules are pretty strict
How cool would it be..first race as a warm up then knockout last place after each race...
Last race would be match race and everything on the line..
That sounds pretty cool. Like a devil race in track cycling
Will you guys be in Vilanova? I live pretty close but will stay there for that weekend.
We're staying in Barcelona, mostly becuase there wasn't much accomdation left in Vilanova, but also so we could go and see the main harbour bases
@@MozzySails I managed to grab an AirBnB place about 6 weeks ago at a scandalously low price considering the event
Obviously the owner doesn't/didn't realise the importance of the event...
Hello, maybe my english it the cause here, but I feel like the last section "Team selection pressure" is stopped unfinished ? Bug ?
Team selection and predictions will be in part two next Friday 👍
Nice to see you all without PJs on!
😅
If you choose to race hard, your benefit is to get the chance to match race against a rival team. Solid experience and learning I guess….
Of course it’s dangerous. If it’s not dangerous then they wouldn’t all have to wear several kg of PPE.
So far Ainsley has had at least 3 boat-damaging, life threatening collisions in foiling AC/SGP cats.
The boys don't disappoint in the bulge department.
You'd think that any footage would be heavy on drone coverage. Getting the relevant shots of boats in a strung out fleet was always the problem showing sailing events.
It’s lethal. There’s never been a fleet start with a Roman Chariot wheel spike sticking out to windward heading for windward boat port pod drivers head.
Cancel.
Best answer! It needs to spin also!
The boats suck. The Cup is dead.
Start not all must going on same side its mutch better.
Will it be live on CZcams??
On the America's Cup channel I understand
Six years ago I was from beginning trust kiwis about giving great racing boats.
Some telling heads getting cut off🥳
If U knowing kiwis then knowing they not starting some where its impossible.
Maybe for tourists Barcelona is great, but it has become horrible if you live there, precisely because of massive over-tourism...
Victim of success. I get what ya mean.
@@johnmartin7158 yeh, prices are ridiculous (for locals) restaurant quality takes a dive (tourists don't know what good Spanish food really should be), crowded centre which attracts pickpockets etc...
@@roythompson6137 Pre Covid in NZ we were over run by tourists. Anyway Eg, I went to Raglan last weekend and left 6am on a cold miserable day so I can get parking by the water and go museum unimpeded. So another words I go off peak times, lol.
Being a Kiwi in my own country is a dying specimen, lol.
Cheers.
How how last AC production was not good?
What great pictures we getting and also commentary was good, goody was also good after american magic was out!
If last AC production was not good all free to watching football 🙈🤷!
When u saw some great pictures of racing?
Bermuda was good but in auckland was never bad.
there was a lot of good for sure, but there was a lot of mediocre
It gives the Sponsers more exposure for their dollars.
Looks a little bit cramped in there mate! You need to build a bigger man cave. Cheers Mozzy.👍🇦🇺
Working on it!
the boats go so fast that match racing might be boring if there is a clear leader?
That's a good point. Match racing in boats slower than the wind always allows the chasing boat to put a cover on downwind and close up distance, that's not possible here where trailing boats are always hurt
As long as they don’t show shots of the bloody crowd I’ll be happy. So infuriating, they usually do it at some sort of critical time during the race, just like in F1.
sacrificed on the crossing, a new sailing term to describe the fate of the driver who blows too many starts.
🤣
This is never going to be as good as the 18 footer coverage…..
They do an unbelievable job on limited budget. I guess part of that is having a consistent team who know their roles
The whole thing is 100% not safe. It is racing. Racing is never safe. Safety third
Are the AC40s faster than a foiling kite?
Around windward leeward course, yes
@@MozzySails Are there polars online somewhere for the 40s? I compared AC50s a while back (years) and the kites were often faster. MUCH deeper downwind, for instance
@@HughSheehy I'm just going off quoted speeds. The kite foil euros are in Portsmouth this month so I should go along and ask some people I guess!
What's crazy is that the outright sailing speed record over one mile is only 55.32 knots, and that's in a "boat" that can pretty much only sail on a starboard reach. The French SailGP team have hit 53.96 knots (briefly) DURING A FLEET RACE, in a boat that is manoeuvrable and fast around any configuration of course. In AC75s, Patriot hit 53.31 knots in a bear away during the Prada Cup semifinals, shortly before crashing.
@@MozzySails The SAP tracking for the ISAF events lets you get polars for the kites. That's easy. Are there polars for an AC40?
Sail Gp cannot be seen as a rival, espe ially when its most of tge same sailors. I think have moreracing, at a high level, globally, attracts more people.
Lets hope they use Knots and not KPH!!
Who cares, as long as they stick to one or the other? Some of the aircraft I fly have airspeed indicators in knots, altitude in feet, and rate of climb in knots. Others have km/h, meters, and m/s. It's pretty much irrelevant as a pilot -- just read the placard and fly the damn thing! Even more so as a spectator.
In so far as the video product.
SailGP is available on youTube, for free, for every race of every event. SailGP holds multiple events per year.
The complaint was "the camera missed a few key crosses" in fleet racing, in SailGP. Oh no! Not that!
Consider that the mountain of SailGP footage will establish a baseline against which Americas Cup footage will be measured. This is inescapable.
Noting the coverage last AC, my expectation is that the extent of AC coverage will be limited
Mozzy, tell us where we can watch every race in this regatta. Not the highlights. Every cross, Every race. I do realize that puts you on the spot, but we cannot hold your friend to this (sorry, his name escapes me at the moment).
"Robert" as I heard later.
The racing will be free to watch on the AC Channel, I think there might be some networks signed up to. Whether it will still be like thay come.the Cup, I don't know
@@MozzySails Thanks Mozzy! Keep up the good work.
Here in New Zealand, I think it's at least a week after each SailGP event, if not more, before you can see anything but previews and highlights on CZcams.
Cliff hanger! NO
Helmsperson 😂
Drones not helicopters. Get us closer to the boats on the lanes.
Bonus points are crap.
This test racing having nothing to do with Prada cup or AC.
If they not willing to winn then another winn.
What winning a helm without team?
Flight control, sail control. ....
Is fleet racing safe? There are 10 in SailGP.
SailGP is equally fast as AC monohulls.
If SailGP is safe (ish), then so is AC monohulls.
SailGP don't have those head choppers swinging around.
@@ilyapopov823 Fair point.
Another danger, in my view, is boats crashing at velocity. If both are doing 50 knots on opposite tack, that is a tremendous transfer of energy. Being under that results in crush injuries.
I think tour already covered it in the replies, but sail GP foils are inboard, and they all start on one tack. They still have some big crashes, but those are two pretty good mitigations for risk
@@MozzySails don't forget Ainslie's port foil cutting off the nose of the right hull of Outteridge's boat in the Australian SailGP in 2021. Outteridge was given Ainslie's boat until his own one could be repaired.
Ireland screwed it up herself... endless talk and not really mean? too many we thought discussing for years.
Irish messed it up, having billions from tech industry but unable sorry.
We getting a fan of sail GP where thinking they who invented it?
Sail GP its good....
Why thinking its equal?
Its not Prada cup!
They not having weeks for match racing's likely prada cup!
They need time for new AC75 and testing.
This regattas are to build up interest and own racing....
They can't sailing weeks in many places and for ho?
3days people having time to go watching, not 3 times a month.
U going to saudi arabia for a month?
3days are great for sailors fighting another now.
AC its then a great long competition
The move had Knott been invented yet 😊 we took responsibility for the duck'y Knott being bullet proof 🌎 mean's your wasting our time publishing that bat shitt header. Ash'ent Mariner ❤ cheer's ~ ~
(Kaptain's dare four the cupcake) kiwi oar knott💧
No way it's safe
I don't watch SailGP, because it's basically unwatchable. As a viewer, you are supposed to track how many boats? Even if they kept a steady angle, where you could remember who's who, where's up, where's down, it still would be difficult to absorb.
But they don't!
Match racing is the only sailing sport that works on TV. No matter how many cuts they make, from this angle, that angle, helicopter, motorboat, virtual, onboard, there are only two teams to follow, so I know what's going on.
Making fleet racing a spectator's sport is mission impossible. You either make it all very boring visually, or extremely confusing.
BTW - I don't race, but I sail most of my adult life, which means I'm way ahead of the average viewer.
SailGP is great to wach.
And easy to see what's going on.
In my opinion, the AC is dull as dishwater.
It's not really match racing when the boat in front always has clear wind.
The fleet racing will probably be the only good bit.
@@DavidHiveyZwift " *easy to see what's going on* "
Maybe if you are already heavily invested into it, so you can pick it all up *despite* being constantly distracted with all the "picturesque" footage, of all the sponsors...
I'm not at this stage.
" *It's not really match racing when the boat in front always has clear wind* "
I agree. It's *unreal* match racing.
" *The fleet racing* "
...is not a spectator's sport. On a closed course, at least.
AC was always different to sail GP
AC always was hiding nothing share, sail GP having nothing to hide, all having same boats.
Now with all teams covered and interviewed its good.
English really thinking that's american football its interesting?
Blady boring, ever ten seconds playing its a break of minutes.
Then I watching cricket, not american football commercial crap.
ita all gayness
Tom! Love the format of this! I hope you get the boys together often for these kind of videos throughout the remainder of the cup season.
I hope so too! It's good fun to talk boats. Hopefully we can cover some more technical stuff too in time