Will Evil Doctor Strange Return? - What If Episode 4 Breakdown
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Episode 4 of Marvel’s What If… asks? What If Dr Strange Lost His Heart Instead Of His Hands? Not literally it’s a metaphor for love or whatevs. Anyways this week we get into the role of an evil Doctor Strange in the MCU on a quest to write the wrongs of his past.
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If you look closely, after Doctor Strange absorbs the wolf creature, he follows up with absorbing Corn of Coblin, I believe this is where he obtains his amazing power.
With this in mind, we can assume that the Doctor Strange in No Way Home really is the What if...? Doctor Strange, but under the influence of Corn of Coblin. Controlling someone Peter Parker trusts would be the perfect way to defeat him.
Forget the Corn Of Coblin ... its the Pee Of Pooplin you need to watch out for
*Corn of Coblin
@@supermysticsonic2 idk what you’re talking about
@@Drbumcheeks lol
"Pride goeth before the fall", or as we know it as these days "Fuck around and find out.
So true.
Yup
This is Dr. Strange's milk crate challenge
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Died. Amazing
Also, we definitely need a “You got watched, bitch!” shirt
I lost it when he said that. I would definitely get that shirt. 🤣
Oh I’d buy it instantly. But yea I did too 😂😂😂
The watchers “appearance” to Dr. Strange was so fucking cool. It’s like he was always there. His corporal form just sorta appeared and his answer was so fast to Stranges. It was sooooooo DOPE
The Watcher has been in every ep, except the 1st I believe…jus doin what he does…watchin…
The fact Doc Strange was able 2 see & talk 2 him…jus shows how powerful Strange is. Jus SO dope…
Dope
I was half expecting him to try and absorb the Watcher.
It was incredibly powerful to see this god-like being turn his back on Strange.
Yea was cool:)
Benedict Cumberbatch's voice acting shows just how much it can elevate this show, that end was truly depressing thanks to Benedicts performence. Really made me feel something
He has a lot of experience in voice acting.
Tom Hiddleston and Benedict both are great voice actors. Similar to Troy Baker.
@@aashishsingh2001 hopefully pedro pascal can do just as good as troy did for joel in the LOU live action
@@aashishsingh2001 Wait wait wait wait. Troy Baker (and Nolan North) are on a whole different level of voice acting, mate.
I've pretty much been depressed ever since I watched the What If...? Honestly if I had younger kids, i don't think i would let them see it.
You know, between Dr. Strange, Eric Bana in "The Time Traveler's Wife", and Domhnall Gleeson in "About Time", I'm starting to feel like Rachael McAdams really has a thing for sad time travelers with tragic stories.
Ya girl got a type
Let us not forget Midnight in Paris also. Or maybe we should
Anyone know how to build a time machine?
I'm asking for a friend.
@@nick240p Wow! I'd neither seen nor heard of Midnight in Paris until I read your reply. Nice reference, Nick, that's amazing.
Her dating time travelers is starting to feel like as much of a cliché as Matt Damon needing rescue and Sean Bean dying.
@@brandonbaker536 And the award for the best reply to a CZcams comment in 2021 goes to...
Dude, you know the tragedy of a reply that perfect? Too many people skim comments and ignore the replies. Please understand that I intend no sarcasm nor irony when I say that evident by the length of this reply to your reply (as well as my original comment), my humor oft depends on excessive exposition. The brilliance of your reply is it's simplicity.
As William Shakespeare himself wrote in Hamlet, "Brevity is the soul of wit." My hats off to you good sir. I regret that I have but one like to offer.
Don't know if I'd risk the destruction of the universe for Rachel McAdams, but I do know I wouldn't even hesitate to risk it for that hunk Nick Mason
I mean, let's be real here, she ain't no Clea.
Yeah NICK "that pig rolling down a hill" MASON
I would risk it for both our Nick Mason and one drummer from the greatest band of all time, Pink Floyd’s Nick Mason.
100% would
This episode was dark, bleak & horrific & I loved every moment of it. THIS was the kinda stuff I was expecting from a show like this. Absolutely loved this what if scenario. And that bleak, depressing ending was the icing on the cake. Cause you know, Actual consequences.
This episode just made me hyped af for the Doctor Strange sequel, Multiverse of Madness. Absolutely loved the horror tone of this episode & I hope the film goes all in.
Probably the best episode in the series hands down. But I bet marvels gonna ruin this episode by doing unnecessary tie in besides making it a standalone episode. Cause this episode is Gold I loved it I really hope this isn’t a tie in for some future mcu stuff cause I don’t care
I wholeheartedly agree. Wish they'd leave this one as a standalone. But Apparently, and this is just a rumor right now, but most if not all the Heroes we've seen so far are gonna have like some big team up in the final episode. "Guardians of the Multiverse" is a name I keep hearing.
So chances are, they're gonna try & "redeem" this Doctor Strange
@@ItsTheGuy77 it’s cool to redeem characters sometimes but it’s a lot more impactful when there’s no turning back yes it’s super heroes and magic but there must be consequences that feel dark and true. Like it’s too late even if doctor strange didn’t want it to happen like this. It’s like real life you have good intentions but something messes up and you can’t fix it you just live with it. But it’s fine whatever they do
Delightfully depressing.
The great thing about the show isnitnis doing ALL the different types of What If...? Story. Dark,.comedic; big changes, almost no changes...as a reader of them,.it's brilliant.
The thing I loved about this episode was that he never really turned "evil". The entire time I was waiting for him to get possessed or start killing humans, but in the end it was just his arrogance that ended it all.
I should clarify he's still a villain I don't know why people think I was defending him or anything. I was just expecting a more cliche take and I liked that every thing was his own choice instead of being corrupted by the demons or whatever.
Yes, Totally Not Evil Strange Supreme, a Cronenberg amalgamation of every totally evil Lovecraftian horror he’s absorbed in the pursuit of More Power.
dontcha know: cartoonish one-dimensional villains are so over. the best villains these days have relatable motivations instead of being comically eeeevil. even the Ancient One says something to that effect on this episode
Yeah and he’s still got all that power. I hope to see him utilise his new abilities in the big battle finale.
He straight up killed countless other scorcerers and creatures, how's that not evil?
He is doing everything with good intentions. The Ancient One says that he isn't evil, he is just misguided.
“What if the best of intentions has very…STRANGE consequences?”
I just think it’s nice that Uatu knows how to pun.
I like how the first two episodes were light and happy while the most recent two were pretty damn dark
I mean, T'Challa's episode ends on a rather dark note. Ego finds Peter and more than likely uses him as a battery for his expansion back on his planet. And its not like T'Challa and the Ravangers keep track of Ego so there's no way they could find them and stop his plans. They're just doomed to die
@@ChristianJayTheCTrain Eh. There's plenty of ways that people could stop Ego. The collector no doubt knew about him.
You again remember me
@@obyone878 The Collector is implied to get brutally murdered by his collection
@@obyone878 eh
I’d say technically the watcher didn’t interfere because doctor strange was gaining the ability to perceive the watcher without him having to do anything. So it’s more about doctor strange interfering. The watcher may not have even known he could hear him at that point.
Please re-explain this like I'm five....I don't know what you're trying to say, but I think I like it😭
@@phabothadon7855 I think he means that Strange got too powerful to a point to be able to see the watcher, which means that the watcher did not interfere at all by all sense, he just had to speak to evil strange when evil strange spoke to him.
@@phabothadon7855 Evil Strange kept stealing power from other magic beings and cosmic beings for a thousand of years. He went into the past to study where The Ancient one couldn't reach him. So he had been growing in power for many many years. So Strange go so powerful he was starting to be able to sense higher beings that are on a whole other level.
I think it was more like that the fabric of his reality become so broken and unraviled that he could litterly see the watcher who was just outside the universe. Its like after after making a hole in the wall you can now see anyone who is on the otherside.
@@Blynat centuries not thousands.
I been reading “what if” comics since I was young, this one is the one that felt the most in spirit with the comics. These other realities don’t always have a happy ending like the prime timeline. This goes in line of one of my favorite “what if” the one where “what if silver surfer held the infinity gauntlet”?
I do think the Dark Multiverse of DC takes that to heart. But honestly, I think there SHOULD be worlds better off than the "main" setting.
Heck I'd argue the MCU to date is a vibrant kindergarten playground compared to the 616. Which is apt since 616 was chosen by Alan Moore as the designation for the main universe because of the idea 666 is a mistranslation...and 616 is the actual number...
@@rubaiyat300 how is this a response to what ruben said at all
To be fair. The T'Challa episode ended in a sour note after half an hour of frolicking in space flowers.
Yeah, the murder mystery was good but it felt more like a side story happening while main events unfold
@@rubaiyat300 lmao careful not to cut yourself with such an edgy comic bud
It'd be cool if the last episode was called something like "What If... The Watcher Interfered?" and they have him go back to previous episodes to change things up and bring characters to other universes.
IMAGINE THAT’S THE FINAL EPISODE
That would be cool, but unfortunately they have already released all the episode titles
(Edit) I guess they could’ve “lied” like they do in trailers sometimes
@@redswasted8624no they didn’t release all the episode titles yet, they do it week by week.
There is that alternate 2012 Avengers Assemble scene but with Cap Carter, Evil Strange, and T’Challa Starlord together in the What If trailer, but I doubt it’ll actually happen.
@@nicktvhits a twitter account called MCU Source put out a tweet with all the episode titles around 2 weeks ago. Heavy Spoilers (on CZcams) made a video titled What If Theories around 2 weeks ago talking about it. Maybe it was fake 🤷🏼♂️
I really thought he was going to go back and wreck his relationship with Christine, leading to the events in the movie, which could have been an interesting twist on the what if concept. But I liked him becoming a beastie boy
That was, essentially, what he did when he abandoned her that night, and the hospital exploded in order to kill her.
@@liampezzano kind of, but in the movie their relationship has been over for a while. And like I said, it’s just where I thought it was going, doesn’t mean it would work within the constraints of the story
I was thinking something similar while watching it I was like he's going to go back and give up something else he loves, in order to save her, that thing being his hands. It would have been a much more satisfying episode to know that the tragedy that was his life was the preferred life even though he didn't know it. It would help us be grateful for what we have not knowing how worse it could be if things were a little different which is the whole point of the show I think, at least it should have been.
He became a Marvel OC.
Wow that ending would have been so much better.
Also, “beastie boy”. LUL
I thought that the constant car crashes that Strange got into were assassination attempts by Hydra considering the mention of his name in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
Except this would've been after Hydra's fall from grace in the Winter Soldier, so they would've been a bit more preoccupied with staying hidden instead.
@@starhound9354 True, but if I'm correct, representatives of Hydra attempted to purchase Yellowjacket suits from Darren Cross in Antman, which takes place after the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier. It wouldn't be too surprising if Hydra was still active every once in a while. Nevertheless, they probably were just random car accidents.
@@KennethMWLi That's true, though perhaps the heart attack and 'guy walks in a shoots' ones were attempts by them. A random diner and a secluded event are probably far better places to attempt an assassination. Just a shame Christine seems to be taking the brunt instead.
I kinda expected the swerve (hehe) to be another Dr. Strange just constantly running him off the road to stop him.
@@KennethMWLi Ant Man is before Captain America Civil
Dr Strange: Watcher I really need your help
The Watcher: How about no
The Watcher: What's my name, bitch?
“I missed the part where that’s my problem”
I read that in Maso's silly voice
The watcher: Gonna cry?
Shut Up! I'm watching the Matrix.
In THIS timeline, Doctor Strange's girlfriend Has to die because this timeline represents the Question: 'What If Doctor Strange lost his Heart instead of his Hands?'
This universe would act the same way if Doctor Strange tried to chop off his hands.
Also, didn't she have to die because when she doesn't, strange doesnt learn the mystic arts and stop dormammu, so the universe ends. Like, I'm pretty sure that's why they made a point of saying that he definitely stopped dormammu after she died. By saving her he's basically merging into a timeline where the universe doesn't exist, which I figured was the goopy blackness.
I really liked the ending sequence of the world slowly collapsing in as the only actual light on-screen is Strange trying to keep reality from collapsing. That, with his desperate plea to The Watcher was honestly a highlight of the MCU as a whole.
Facts
I loved the magic glowstick runes on Dr. Strange in the final fight; it was a great way to show danger/progress within a fight that would otherwise be completely arbitrary
It was his magic health bar
notice that the watcher says he cant interfere because the rest of the realities are too important to risk, maybe because he will come back for this version of strange to form some multiversal team
I’m from the future and you’re right. He assembles a team of heroes from a multitude of realities.
@@the_belugaluga5286 Somehow, Evil Dr. Strange returned.
That makes sense because he would need Strange Supreme to get as powerful as he can. He also needs the universe to be destroyed so that Strange will see the error of his ways and feel sorry
I fully expect them to get one character from each episode and have them team up in the finale.
@@videogamenostalgia you're right
I do like how they've all seemed really different. Sometimes it's just a character swap, sometimes the universe is changed for the better, sometimes the universe changes for the worse, and now we've seen a change lead to the loss of an entire universe
This was a different universe. There were no continuity errors. Timelines and universes aren't the same thing.
Exactly
I saw Benedict on stage playing Frankenstein’s monster. He played him like a man with brain injury. Fantastic.
@@aweigh1010 no, this is Patrick
Actually it's Frankenstein's monster's monster, common mistake.
@@Deltythe73rd Frankenstein's monster's monster sounds like the title of a porn movie
@@aweigh1010 this whole comment tree is a psyop, Mr. "John Smith".
We see through your little games Maso
He wasn’t acting like a man with a brain injury that’s just what he’s like normally. All other Cumberbatch performances are just him acting really hard to not be like that.
I think we didn’t experience any absolute points in time when we only had one timeline because there was so much more room for variance. I think the way branch realities work, the absolute points in time are those that define the identity of the branch reality.
This branch is identified as the one where Christine Palmer dies and Stephen Strange becomes the Sorcerer Supreme, if she doesn’t die then the identity of this reality is ruined and the branch prunes itself.
Perfect explanation, almost exactly what I was thinking.
Wow. You might be right.
I thought it was closer to the fact that her dying is the reason that he got access to the time stone in the first place. Like regular MCU Strange can't fix his hands.
Endgame gets around it because they didn't prevent the thing that got them to time travel in the first place.
Yeah, the absolute points could be the same ones as the nexus events, meaning that they are what created the timeline in the first place, and thus erasing them would also erase the timeline
I like that they didn't make this just "what if Doctor Strange was EVILLLL" like it felt like he had a mostly understandable motivation and was still human (just cosmically stubborn with enough power not to be stopped
i think that’s why the ending hurts so much too. His motivations haven’t been evil his actions of sacrificing more and more of his humanity is what was. By the time he realises what he’s done it’s too late and what’s worse is he’s now aware of his actions. He knows what he did and has to live with it
As great as these videos are as background noise Collings has REALLY been working on the visuals, some genius and hilarious gags in there
Damn thanks so much Dan. This one was a brutal late in the day turnaround and feeling really self conscious about it. But this comment helped no end so thank you. I’m afraid to say though that you have indeed been WATCHED B****!!!
❤️
I think that in the MCU Sacred Timeline, Strange losing his hands is an absolut point but he doen't get together with Christine and that's how she gets to live.
They missed an opportunity for DS2: Have evil Doctor Strange explain to Steven that without Good Steve's accident, Christine would die.
That would have given him actual closer as to why he and Christine didn't end up together. He would have been content knowing she is alive.
Best episode so far, felt the most like the comics
The only one I've watched so far. Wasn't interested in the first three
Absolutely
I totally agree
This episode was dark, bleak & horrific & I loved every moment of it. THIS was the kinda stuff I was expecting from a show like this. Absolutely loved this what if scenario. And that bleak, depressing ending was the icing on the cake. Cause you know, Actual consequences.
This episode just made me hyped af for the Doctor Strange sequel, Multiverse of Madness. Absolutely loved the horror tone of this episode & I hope the film goes all in.
It took itself seriously instead of trying to shove in bad jokes during some dark, disturbing moments. Great episode.
During the "Christine constantly dies" montage, I was like, wow, Kang is just murdering her over and over.
I've come o the conclusion that MAGIC TIME TRAVEL can alter history in the same timeline therefore changing the future, and QUANTUM TIMETRAVEL (ENDGAME) jumps you to a different timeline/or creates a branch at the point you travel to.
So both could technically be canon variations of time travel in the MCU.
Cept magic and science are the same according to Thor, sorry sucks to suck
@@laxunderscoreaddict Asgardian magic is essentially just advanced technology, but the magic that Strange and them use is definitely magic as we traditionally know it. Like, Asgard had hovercraft and shit lmao
Yep. Quantum Realm is about moving through the timeline kinda like teleportation. Mystic Time Travel is more like reversing time. It’s follows the traditional rules of time travel.
Nice observation
So it's not magic magic it's the infinity stone but you are pretty much nail on the head but it's more like he is rewinding the universe than unlike in the movie where they jumped back in time
"Another continuity error...."
"LETS GO! FUCK THIS SHOW!"
LMAO dead
I’m assuming the absolute point in time where Christine just keeps dying is actually the branching off point of this timeline from the original. Thus- to undo that event and make it so that it never happened, would create a paradox that meant that timeline never branched off, ergo the universe stops existing
He pruned the timeline while he was still in it 😬
I believe the branching off point happened earlier in the episode, if not before. As in the movie Christine is never in the car that was involved in the accident that damaged Strange's hands. The reason why Christine's death is an absolute point that cannot be undone is explained in the episode: preventing her death would create a paradox where Steven would've never been inspired to learn magic, defeat Dormamu, become sorcerer supreme and time travel to prevent her death
I liked how tempted the watcher was to interfere to save that universe, and that strange had grown so powerful and learned so much that he was able to speak to the watcher and be aware of his presence, it’s looking increasingly likely that the watcher will interfere eventually and mess something up
This episode was able to introduce the idea of “absolutely events” because the timeStone controls time on an object-oriented basis (I.E. Apple-y visual) and rather than shooting back in time through the quantum quantumRealmy, he rewound himself back to that spot within his own timeline, which in turn DOES have more similar rules to ‘The Time Machine’ and ‘BTTF’. Hulks theory goes out the bloody window in this one. Paradoxes can exist here and they ravage the flippin univ.
Yerp!! Good ole fixed points in time, really reminds me of Doctor Who tbh
So infinity stone and quantum time travel are two different types of time travel
See the way I interpreted it was that Christine’s death was the moment where, to borrow the TVA’s terminology, the Nexus Event reached the redline and as a result became far more difficult to undo and doing so would basically prune the reality because you’d be destroying its foundational pillar
This is really helpful, thank you! So, the time stone itself is only on a straight-line.
Somewhat like how Tenet allows a person to go backwards against the flow of time by reversing his/her entropy?
I don't know when the Watcher will step in, but I liked that this episode he basically set the conditions under which he would. He says that despite this universe's existence being threatened, it wouldn't be worth saving one universe at the risk of destabilizing all the others. I figure this is a set up for a future episode causing a threat to the entire multiverse causing the Watcher to decide it finally crosses the line.
Genius
I really thought Evil Dr. Strange was going to turn into a Mephisto looking demon when he was face absorbing all those dudes but the hybrid look was still awesome.
Watcher will never interfere; he only even interacted with Strange because Strange was so completely dissolved in ancient dangerous knowledge, forbidden rituals, and absorbed mystic essences, that he was able to perceive beyond the dimensions of his universe to the Watcher. Only Kang and the Time Keepers would also have the ability to perceive the Watcher.
I figured it was because of the reason Sylvie hid out in apocalypses. The Watcher interacting with Strange would have no impact on the universe because the universe was going to be destroyed regardless. And Strange had already felt his presence and learned about him so revealing himself there wouldnt change smth there either
He is clearly fighting in the trailer
Kang has to show up at some point
"Watcher will never interfere"
The Watcher interfered in the first comic he was ever in. It's a rule that Uatu breaks with regular frequency.
And Stan Lee
This episode was just was wacky as the Doctor Strange comics get. I love it
This episode is DEFINITELY proof Marvel prepping us for the horrors in Multiverse of Madness.
13:28 - I, for one, am glad they included footage of Marvel's most unappreciated hero... Pig rolling down a hill.
The Watcher is basically a peeping Tom. He's lucky Strange didn't try to absorb him which I thought might happen
Golly, now you put it that way, the stuff the Watcher has seen...
@@lyndsaybrown8471 don’t forget Heimdell. He too has seen…..a lot.
Can't believe how far the universe was willing to go to keep Christine fridged.
This episode really was the definition of fridging.
@@RetroIsaac yeah, i really liked it otherwise but that was annoying.
@@perpetuallyuncomfortablewhat else were they supposed to do? That was the whole concept of the episode.
@@B1gBoyPantsI suspect the selling point was the Evil Strange vs. Good Strange fight, and he could've gone evil from nothing more than his desire to be the best and acquire knowledge; we've seen him be an asshole because of that. Christine could've broken up with him in every instance and he blamed the universe instead of himself. He could've been trying to save the world with Dark dimension energy like the Ancient One but gone too far. He could've been trying to prove something to Mordo. He could've been trying to protect the earth from some inevitable cosmic threat.
Like I said in the replies, I enjoyed this episode, but I think suddenly making up a rule that says Christine has to die so her boyfriend can be great is a little lazy.
@@perpetuallyuncomfortable I get what you mean, but at the same time they wanted the event that causes him to become evil to be something very personal to him, and what could be more personal than causing the death of a loved one?
The whole point is that he can't change what made him Dr Strange in the first place, and if it was just that his hands had been messed up, then it doesn't really seem like that would be as believable of a motivation.
But if, in this universe, him and Christine were still together, and he had caused her death through his recklessness, it seems much more believable that he would go to such drastic measures to undo his own mistake.
I don't really see this as a classic case of fridging. I feel like if the episode had just been "what if Christine's death is what motivated Dr Strange," then yeah that would be annoying and 100% unnecessary and lame. But I feel like this episode actually explored this concept in a much more nuanced way. Like, what would it take to push Dr Strange over the edge? He felt immense guilt over causing someone's death and had no way of undoing it. He wants to be able to save everyone, but this time there's someone he can't save, and it's someone he deeply cares for.
And we as the audience wouldn't have felt the same connection if it was just some random character who we had never seen before- like a kid or some person off the street or a family member we had never met. So it makes sense that they chose the person who Dr Strange has developed the closest connection to in the movies.
Shuma Gorath: "I was happy, floating, living in the ocean"
Poor Shuma, boi just wants to chill.
10:45 that timing is perfect with the zoom in on The Watcher 😆 the editing is god tier
Strange: I KNOW YOU CAN FIX THIS. YOU’RE A GOD!
Watcher: I missed the part where that’s my problem
Little Wizard Jr. Gonna cry?
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next week is apparently the Party Thor episode so if the Watcher interferes it’ll be to have a jolly time with Thor
I hope party Thor defeats Hela with the power of party.
@@SimonBuchanNz He summons a giant disco ball.
Just got a vision of The Watcher downing a pint, smashing his glass on the floor and yelling “Another!” 😂
"What If...I got shitfaced with the God of Thunder?"
Mad that they left out the Dr Strange vs Corn of Coblin scene
I hope, he will be in Multiverse of Madness, this episode was fantastic
I think misguided strange will fight normal strange each other again in NHW and/or Multiverse of Madness
In the movie, Stephen and Christine kinda had something going on, but he was a narcissist, and once his hands were injured he doubted she really loved him.
In this universe, however, they truly love each other, and the universe has to change accordingly. In the other, his hands were the influence to find Kamar-Taj, and would be an Absolute point in Time. Here it's Christine dying.
If the end of the universe didn't prompt the Watcher to step in, I can't imagine what events would force his hand.
The end of multiple universes?
He plays favorites with FANTASTIC FOUR is all!
@@MichaelAChristian1 "ehhh I can't interfere, buuuut these are my favorite guys!, Okokok just this once."
@@PulseAnimations878 He IS a fanboy. His monologue during the Onslaught storyline is proof of that.
Zombies will, they eventually look for other Universes to eat
His transformation into Corn of Coblin was something else
Blink and you'll miss it: Corn of Coblin is actually the snack break he takes right before absorbing the first being and THAT'S how he survives for hundreds of years
Shoutouts to THE GREAT RAWCOLLINGS for the Twilight Zone Doc Oct edit! Restarted the video 10
Times just to enjoy it. GOLD
This episode left me speechless, and made me craving more!
10:49 I am laughing too hard at the dramatic timing of that editing
In the last episode, the Watcher goes back in time and introduces Christine to James Marsden, thus fixing the timeline.
Animated JACK KIRBY CRACKLE was amazing to see!
The Ancient One is dead and still surprises me with her problem solving ideas and skills. She indeed has to be a candidate for wisest character in the MCU.
She has more impact dead than Black widow does
@@belac.howard8295 lollll true
She's a good planner. Wouldn't be surprised if she impacts the next Dr. Strange movie.
@@deanospimoniful Oh man, I wonder….
I really liked the Kirby energy blasts with the dots that Evil Strange used (Strange Supreme in the subtitles). It made me think “could this effect work in live action?”
When watching this episode I couldn't stop making Steins Gate jokes.
Every time Strange time traveled I went "Oh no the watch is broken"
Finally, someone making the reference!
CHRISTINA
The watcher talks about not interfering like he’s gonna get fired from some cosmic job
Did James finally find his catchphrase in this video. Just in time for podcast episode 401, would love to hear him shout you got watched bitch at the end of every episode
The whole Christine dying in because it is an absolute point of time reminded me of Steins Gate.
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One of the characters dies and the main character tries to save her with time travel but every time he goes back he will always fail.
She dies multiple ways but the end result is the same. Because her death is a constant in that timeline.
Jeffrey Wright has an amazing voice... and yet another actor who plays a character in both Marvel and DC Studio properties. I really liked this episode, the ending hit me different... losing everything you love in spite of all your best, or worst, efforts... that's real
I was convinced that the episode was gonna end with Dr. Strange learning that he'd have to give up something incredibly important to him to get Christine back which would have lead to his hands being destroyed instead which would have brought the episode full circle with the MCU. I think it's possible that this will happen later on in What if...
That's a cool idea, but wouldn't that make it canon to the main universe and therefore not a "what if..."?
@@jd1800 My response is: does that matter?
@@GreekJR2 It would technically make the title a misnomer, but other than that one nitpick, I guess not.
If they did want to show a mix of non-canon stories and previously unseen canon events I would be cool with that.
@@jd1800 Technically the show is already a misnomer because they are all canon, they just don't take place in the universe we've been watching for the last ten years. It should be called "What if.." but instead "Things that happened differently in other universes."
@@GreekJR2 that's what the what if comics are though
I think the best part about this episode is that you could only do it to this level in animation (and not just because it has an unlimited budget 😏)
When I think of the other episodes I thought "yeah this is cool but why is it even animated if its not taking advantage of some the amazing visuals that could made". But wow that absorbing montage was just incredible. I wish this is what the show had always been.
Can we appreciate how awesome the soundtrack was in this episode.
Seeing this episode cemented my long-held theory that the real hero of the next phase of the MCU wont be Strange or Wanda or whatever, but Uatu. Uatu will be guiding Strange and the Avengers in their battle against Kang. You heard it here first, folks.
That would be strange considering he's famous for doing that but with GALACTUS.
@@garrettcarter5622 Well, in the comics, Uatu has the same role but he is limited to his own universe (the 616, there are multiple Watchers throughout the Marvel comic multiverse). In the MCU, they essentially “promote” him into watching the movies Multiverse.
They're clearly setting up Squirrel Girl to be the next main hero, not Uatu.
Was it said in the show this is Uatu? I personally would like the idea of it just being another watcher since it’s kinda weird two multiversal observers have the same name
Heard that way before you there, bud. Don’t pay yourself on the back too much
I like how Strange's beard becomes evil too
The B Plot for the series is the Watcher's character arc as a person. Constantly being shown the call to action and rejecting it but, despite his "responsible stance", can't help but feel like he should do something; because he knows he can.
Animation wise, this might be my favourite episode so far. Especially with a bunch of the monsters and spells being 2D animated, it just looks so cool!
Strange: I didn't mean for this to happen!
The Watcher: Well a bit late for that now, innit mate?
I'm really disappointed that James, the man that knows everything about Anime, didn't point out one of the possible solutions for the time paradox. Steins;Gate did this exact plot ages ago, and Okabe Rintarou/Kououin Kyouma solved the paradox whilst being arguably a bumbling idiot who just happened to construct a working time machine he didn't even fully understand the functionality of; and all of it without magic or an endless library to help him.
And even aside from PRETENDING that his girlfriend died, with ACTUAL MAGIC there are so many ways to get around the fixed point.
First of all, IS the fixed point even her death? Clearly, breaking his hands would also work just fine, so just do that. Alternatively, what about necromany after the fact? Teleporting her to an emergency room straight after Strange notices her being dead? Replacing her with a replica dead body during the crash? Splitting her in two and letting one of them die?
There are so many ways to solve this without going full warlock on the universe.
True points, but it's also a defining trait of Strange's arrogance that he thinks only he personally can fix something, so I can accept him being blinded to other more reasonable options.
First no breaking his hands wouldn't work, because this isn't prime timeline doctor strange where his hands being janky is likely the fixed point in time, in this the fixed point in time is different and will always happen no matter what. Splitting her in half? Both of her will die. Placing a fake body? The actual one will die in an unrelated way etc etc the only one you said that would probably work is necromancy because you wouldn't be messing with time you would be reviving her in the present. But even then we don't know if strange even has access to necromancy.
I forgot how good the doctor strange movie was like the chemistry between wong and strange. Also I love how they used some comic art style for the magic animations. And the monster montage
The pig rolling down the hill was a nice touch 😂
Shuma-Gorath is a Great Old One, I don't remember him being the sorcerer sumpreme of any dimension, by nature the title is of a guardian figure. Shuma literally eats other dimensions.
Yum :)
This was by far my favourite episode, absolutely loved it and the feels were incredible
My interpretation was that the reason Christine’s death was considered an absolute point was because her death is what triggered the creation of this new reality, and was the catalyst for Doctor Strange gaining powers in this universe. Doctor Strange not only trying to bring her back to life, but trying to reverse the events that led to her death, was basically him trying to reverse the event that created that universe in the first place, therefore it was destroyed when he was actually successful
Yeah
It's an absolute point in time in the universe they are in, just as strange crashing and ruining his hands would be an absolute point in our timeline. :)
I like the atmosphere in this one it was more depressing than the other ones
The TVA when Loki uses the tesseract: Real shit???
The TVA when Dr Strange destroys a universe by messing with time: i schleep
It's post-the sacred timeline
@@Whiteythereaper Even if it wasn't, doesn't this reality essentially prune itself anyway? At least it doesn't lead to a variant Kang, and we know stopping those coming into existence was the real purpose of the TVA. So I imagine they'd see this timeline on their monitors and just kind of shrug when the branch suddenly stops on its own.
I came for the analysis of my favorite segment: "the watcher is watching for now, but when will he intervene even though he said he wouldn't" I give it a 2 out of 10 this week.
2 out of 10? they came up with "you got watched bitch" that shit is hilarious 😂
It can still be an Absolute Point in time AND there can be infinite universes where the Absolute Point is different. Infinity is so massive that it contains infinite other infinities (which Maso hinted to). The point of this series is to showcase some of those alternate realities where really anything can and will happen. I think these universes don't necessarily have to be branched realities from the Sacred Timeline either. They could be some of the infinite universes that already existed outside of the Sacred Timeline that Kang managed to isolate and control.
One of the MCU's darkest moments without a doubt.
This was definitely my favorite episode so far. It was really the only one that felt like it had weight to it, where the change mattered, and that you actually got to sit with the idea and its impact/consequences. Last week's premise was good but the result/conclusion felt rushed so ultimately, the Avengers being killed off felt like it didn't matter (maybe a two-parter would've been better) but here, the whole episode was about how the change affected Strange and the consequences were the focus. Best use of the "What If?" idea yet and the most invested I've been in an episode.
If I had to guess, the reason the point in time is absolute is because it's the one thing that differentiates that universe from another particular universe, to copy another universe's timeline would probably result in some catastrophic event, in MCU terms. Although the supreme being was able to split the timeline, so who cares 🤷♂️
The ancient one split the timeline at the point where strange picked up the time stone to reverse his gfs death. Im assuming she cant split the timeline for hard events, which are unique to each individual universe.
I think in this particular case, it destroyed the universe because without strange becoming the sorcerer supreme the world would have been drawn into the dark dimension.
It wasn't clear to me if the world was being destroyed because they tried to change the fabric of reality, or if it was becoming one with the dark dimension because that's what would have happened without strange.
The premature death of a universe resulted in the Incursions, ie Crisis on Infinite Marvel Earths. And I have a feeling that will be the endgame for this era of movies.
The never ending mention of Corn of Coblin gives me so much life
I loved it when Dr. Strange heard The Watcher talking and The Watcher's just like "Oh shi- 👀"
3:58 The car Dr. Strange is driving is definitely supposed to be the same Huracan model that is in the films, you can tell by the compact shape and distinctive V10 engine noise. I feel animators either got the doors wrong or just wanted to exaggerate them for the animation.
I really wanted this episode to effectively be a "prequel" to the film, covering strange sacrificing his relationship and hands for Christine's survival, breaking the absolute point in time and making a new standard for his life's timeline.
Because as it stands, this absolute point in time thing makes no sense if we're to believe that an alternate universe where he doesn't lose her exists yet somehow it can't the accessed/replicated by this universe's strange.
Definitely my favorite episode so far but making it go full circle with the film would've made it perfect
I think it made some sense, if he lost his hands but she was still alive then he wouldn't have the motivation to become the sorcerer supreme because he still had her and that's why she had to die.
@@fredrikandersson1893 In the original film they aren't in a relationship, which is what I mean by "sacrificing his relationship" as well, so he becomes the sorcerer supreme thanks to his lost hands
You have one of the best editors in the game and I don't know if he gets enough credit for the funny stuff he puts in the videos
Is Rachel McAdams interested in time travel? Is that what's going on, here?
Anyway, I took her death as an absolute point in time to mean that this timeline branch of the multiverse (in part) only really exists because she died. If that gets taken away, then this timeline becomes redundant, or like... in some way or another, this dimension can't exist without (one of) the foundational event(s) that formed the dimension in the first place.
I really appreciate the pig rolling down a hill aka Mason reference.
These big squid 🦑 monsters from hell just keep reminding me of the first Hellboy movie.
Okay but Dr. Strange's line about peter living two different lives makes me feel like thats how they will explain multiple spider men rather than an evil dr. strange also could be an absolute point of his identity being revealed
I think people are taking this line too literally I think his two lives are where he’s trying to balance his life as Peter Parker and his life as Spider-Man
@@TheGreenEyedMoose I could definitely see that but it could also explain the reasoning behind adding more rules to time like absolute points and all that
@@josephbirhall3109 I think it might be more of a setup for multiverse of madness rather than no way home or at least a hint to what’s coming. Nothing is never accidental or done without care or forward thinking in the MCU but usually the simplest explanations are the right ones. Like all the theories for Wandavison on it being Myphisto when people were just overthinking it
Liked for the Corn on Coblin reference
The cape fight was dope. And as much as I love Cloaky(literally rip), Evil Cloaky was pretty f'n cool too.
I like that this means there are potentially a whole bunch of sentient capes...
@@andhe MCU= Multiple Cape Universe
Now that you mention the No Way Home Doctor Strange is the evil version theory: I'm inclined to believe that it's not true. Generally speaking, with the MCU the simplest answer is usually what they go with. Meaning regular ol' Strange is just being a helpful, but arrogant, mentor to Peter. But to play devil's advocate here... 🤨 I want to point out that people around the internet have been wondering why Doctor Strange is even wearing the Eye of Agamotto in the NWH trailer. Evil Strange still has the eye in his timeline 🤔and messing up the multiverse might be a great way to ultimately get what he wants which is to bring Christine Palmer back. Not saying that these factors alone are proof, gods know NWH might already be too bloated between adapting One More Day AND Spider-verse AND setting up Multiverse of Madness but I like this theory more than the "Strange was actually Mephisto all along!" twist.
I feel like an important part of this episode is that it sets where the Watcher's line is. A whole universe gets destroyed along with everyone in it, and he's just "yeah, that sucks" but he has no problem letting it happen. It's not until something is a threat to the multiverse that he needs to interfere.