Here's What Mud Terrain Tires Are Really like on the Street - Land Cruiser Cooper Discoverer STT Pro
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- My 100 series Toyota Land Cruiser build is officially underway! I did a lot of research on which tire to go with since it's the basis for any build. I decided on these Cooper Tire Discoverer STT Pros. They're mud terrain tires with beefy tread for serious off roading. In a future episode we will show the off road capabilities, but a big concern of mine is how these behave on the road. That's what we're covering this week.
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I had 35' muddies on my 80 series here in Australia, it was great offroad .
Great for drowning out the missus whinging on road ...just turn and nod ,im not sure what she was saying.
Fuel consumption was a win for me, i beat everyone,i used the most by far!
The speedo was out but if you stayed 40kmh each side you were safe
Sometimes id give my neighbour a lift to town I'd ask him about the road noise and he said it wasn't to bad much the same as his harvester, and he was a bit deaf from his younger days working in a sawmill.
hahaha great post.
😂😂 nice one
That's wicked funny!
These are the type of comments I come to CZcams for. Well done.
Lmfao
Straya!
The loudness test of these new tires is sort of pointless, because new mud tires start out relatively quiet and then will get much louder over time.
You are correct - I ended up getting these STT Pros, and they were relatively quiet new, but at about 15-20k miles in they got much louder. Now at 30k, they are REALLY loud! They *might* have another 7-10k miles left in them, and fear they could get louder. They are an amazing mud tire though...hands down.
I didn’t know my GX had an exhaust leak until I drove with the windows down one day. Insulation top notch 🤙
Haha, the only downside of having a quiet cabin..
I find it ironic that it would be illegal in many states to drive my noisy car with headphones, but if there is really aggressive soundproofing built into the vehicle that's no big deal. Inconsistent.
Always nice to hear different people's opinions and observations on even the simple things like tire size and type. Thanks for putting this together
Great video! It's amazing how many people do videos about off-roading etc and don't tell people the dang tire size and/or if the vehicle is lifted!! Good Job!!!
Please keep doing videos on your Land Cruiser, they are awesome!
Love the sound of muddies on the road!
Wow ! That transformed the look of the car 👌...
And the background tracks that you use on your videos are always so spot on ! 😎
Thank you!
Really cool seeing you guys have the cars we drive here in the Middle East the most land cruisers are very famous here
Damn dude, i was here when u had about 12k subscribers... so happy for ya
Got these tires, and you are onto a winner, they are Hardy wearing, and good on road for being 80 20 off road tires.
Great stuff, specially with the decibel meter - it should be a basic test for every tires review!
Nice colour..!!
You can turn this beauty into a beast ! one step is done ! up ahead a distance..!!
You can easily lift the whole front end up using a block of wood and that jack where the little circle thing is on the skid plate, that way you don't have to do one corner at a time. Same with the rear, i lift by the rear differential using a thin block of wood to get the rears up quick.
Luv your the back ground music and of course all your videos.
i have the stt pros in a 35" on my jeep, have had them on it for over 2 years now and have over 40k kms on them. yeah they have some road noise but compared to a lot of other similar aggressive tread pattern tires they are quite quiet in my opinion. I have abused them thoroughly through mud, rocks, snow and water, and have driven them across Canada. Hands down they are the best tire i have ever used. i typically air down to 5-7 psi with my beadlocks and the amount of sidewall flex is unreal for how much traction the tire gets absorbing around rocks and obstacles.
Glad to hear they should hold up well for years to come. Thanks for sharing.
I usually run Goodyear wrangler Duratracs for snow/Mud and I really love them...
Wise choice choosing tires for your surrounding area!
I have the exact same Cooper tire on my 200 series except they are 295 R20. Great in the dirt and mud- still waiting for some snow to test them on that. I find they have a "hum" on the road which isn't all that loud necessarily but def noticeable at higher speeds. Also affects tight turning which makes it a bit of a challenge. Almost feels like they rub but I have checked again and again and cannot confirm any rubbing.
i have the 315/70/17 on my FJ cruiser best tire hands down they lasted 4 years driving in jungle roads, highways and local roads best tire ever had on my FJ .
Boy, your Toyota is awesome, tires are sweet! 😃
I just put the STTPro’s on my Jeep. They are a little louder than the BFG All Terrain’s that came on it. Handling and ride are good .
very informative video, thanks man! I am looking at these for my 2016 tundra for Alaska
Glad I could help
These are the tires I really want for my FJ Cruiser but didn't have the money last August when I replaced the horrible Dune Grapplers the previous owner had installed. I was making my trek back to Colorado and Moab and I know they would be good there as well as muddy conditions in Ohio/Kentucky. My #1 reason is similar as I wanted an American-made tire and with Cooper being based in Ohio I want to support companies that employ fellow Ohioans and Cooper has really grown in quality in the off road community. Since I couldn't afford them at the time I went for some Cooper ATP's as they were on sale and would be fine for out west but the shop made a mistake and installed another customer's AT3 4s (285/70-17) and since they were swamped they let me have them for the same price. While they were an amazing tire for the drive and off-roading out west I would have preferred the STT Pro's for my trip last weekend to Athens County Crawlers Off Road Park as it was a bit greasy. Although I will say they held their own with others and their mud tires as long as I kept them spinning at rev limiter in the gooey sections. Great review and love the Land Cruiser.
On our 4runner when we went to 33's it actually made our speedometer exact on. Cause manufacturers actually set the speed a off for liability reason. I actually checked the speed with 3 different gps apps and even the radar stands that display your speed and they have all shown the same results. Now each vehicle is different on how offset it actually is.
Yeah my Speedo is 2-3 mpg high. That’s why the cop car say calibrated speedometer
Biggest thing you will see will be the hit to mpgs. Not that the LC gets great gas mileage in the first place but it will take a hit. I ran 31x1050r15 S/T Maxx on my 60 series for almost 5yrs (lasted me about 30k miles with lots of offroad trips) and they were great, a good compromise between the full MT tire and an AT. Only sucky part was that they didn't last as long as I wish they would have. They had great road manners, did perfectly offroad (two different trips guys in my club got flats, all running around 15psi and no issues with mine. Took a lag bolt to kill one of mine and that was through the sidewall) and it wasn't until probably 25k miles that they started to get loud. My 60 was not quiet by any means but had multiple offroad buddies impressed with how quiet they were. Just recently went to a more AT based tire with the Cooper AT3 XLT, they have been awesome over the last month or so of driving, but the biggest improvement was the gas mileage. Gained almost a full two miles per gallon avg. over the S/T Maxx (going from around 9.5 to just over 11mpg) and that was with only a 5lbs. per tire difference. So just image what an extra 20lbs PER TIRE will do to the rotational parasitic drag.
Also, with regards to running AC vs. having the windows down, an engineer roommate in college did a drag coefficient study on this (mind you this was 1998). He found in his experiments, research and study that the difference between the two was almost negligible. The main factors that played a larger role were the overall health of the engine/drivetrain and the tires.
Looks fabulous
I have these on my Toyota Tundra TRD and love them. Be sure to rotate them every 3,000 miles otherwise they get LOUD!
I get compliments on them all the time.
If you're not happy with how loud the mud tires are, try the Cooper AT3 XLT tires. Loving mine and while not a true mud tire, they are way better than the BFG KO2 they replaced
Those AT3’s would look nice on a Mini Countryman, if they come in sizes that aren’t too big. Nice looking tyre.
Great video dude. Been wanting to put M/T’s on my 81 and was wondering how much louder they would be compared to Yoko A/T’s
Thank you for this video.
Great video! Just curious are those tires LT? And if they were did you notice a huge change in ride comfort?
Was there a significant MPG hit?
Were those stock size wheels or what did you get? They look great. Does yours have the height control and any issues of rubbing with those new tires? Thanks! We’re going to get a 2006 this weekend 🤙
Thanks for the info
Thanks, good knowledge.
ive run these before and enjoyed them. 285/75-16(100 series) and a 255/85-16(4runner)
They look good on there.
Thank you for reviewing products using normal tools (HF) and Discount tires like normal people.
Oh waow.... looks great.
I've had 33 stt pro's on my stock 94 Sierra 1500 for over 16k miles. I've rotated every oil change/3-5k miles and notice they may be slightly noisier than new, but hardly noticeable (if at all) with radio or fan on.
Those tires look mean!!! I been thinking about those types of tires. I wonder how they would handle in snow?
I rotate my tyres every 10,000ks 👌🏽 i got bfg all terrains on my truck will be deffo going either coopers or mickeyts for my next set
The intro is perfect!
Thanks!
I am seriously interested in upgrading my stock sequoia 1st gen wheels and tires to the max size without a lift...any recommendations? Suggestions?
Do quiet road test to ensure other vehicles don’t affect sound meter. Traffic was much heavier on 2nd test.
If you’re ever interested in a standard A/T tire I highly recommend the FALKEN WILDPEAKs.
They’re really underrated and comparing them to the BFG KO2’s they blow them away. Especially in the snow and road noise.
agree wildpeaks, I like mine on my 40 series and tacoma
The Falkens have several well publicized stories of sidewall puncture issues. Not knocking the wildpeaks, but the comparisons against the ko2s are blown out of proportion at this point.
Haven't tried them before but hope to in the future.
K02s are better than Wildpeaks in every way except rain. I've had both. Both good tires, but K02s are tougher and last longer even starting out with less tread depth
I barely got 30k with them
Put Hankook Dynapro ATM on my Land Cruiser and love them for rain snow ice or the road. Super quiet. Not the best tire in the mud though. Great review!
Get the 10 ply if you plan on off roading but if you just on dirt mud roads and want traction get 4 ply dynapro
Always trying to find that sweet spot between on-road and off-road...I feel your pain!
In January of this year, I picked up a 2006 LC with 113k miles and they have Hankook Dynapro HP2's. Up until now, I thought I was the only person on the earth with Hankook tires since I never heard of the brand before.
So, your 1 db increase equates to about a 26% increase in sound energy or about a 7% increase in subjective loudness, in case you were interested, nice tires!
Phone Db readers are worthless
great looking tire!!!
Really appreciate your objective analysis of the road noise between your regular and MT tires. My primary concern is the reduced pavement traction for MTs compared to that of highway tires. For 1% of “off-roading”, which is a few miles on gravel to camp sites or cabin in VT, is it worth it?
For a daily driver, probably not.
Do the 4" OME lift and run 35" tires.
Had MT on my 07 FJ driving in the rain is an interesting experience....,
Are MT that much worse than AT in rain and snow?
FYI your speedo gear not only controls your speedometer but can dictate shift timing as well. If you change tire size you should correct the speedo gear as welll, it's typically super easy to do and a pretty cheap little part.
Can you show us with a video please.
you can’t hear any different in new mud tires, in a year it will be like kids crying under the car 😂
You've never owned these STT pros clearly. They're an M/T with the road manners of an A/T throughout their life... unless you don't care for them properly.
@@phantomshtter How many miles/yrs have you been using them for? Seriously looking at the STT pros for city driving. I just love the looks of it!
@@phantomshtter was running STT pros on my Global Ranger. changed to ATs after a year couldnt bear the road noise
@@phantomshtter I have STT pros and after 30,000 miles they are very, very LOUD! They were ok when new but seriously at anything over 30mph they are really loud.
I owned the stt pros in 35x12.50-20 on a ram 1500 they started out great got rotated every 5,000 miles. At around 15,000 they started getting very loud and at 30,000 they wore terrible and was to loud i replaced them with nittos and was much happier
I live in Australia and had 4 sets of cooper st maxx I'll never use another tyre
Make sure the extra distance traveled from the larger tires is added when calculating mpg.
Good call!
Thanks for this video. I have an Toyota Hilux Cargo, Arctic Trucks 154.000Km motor 2,4 D4D here in Tromso, Norway. Thanks for share you experience
Ha! You live right down the road from me!!! I recognize that entrance ramp! Very cool!
Why did you switch to those black wheels? Those brushed aluminum ones look better to me. I hope you didn't get rid of those silver wheels. It looks too dark to me. I know that's the fashion tho. I had a 2002 Land Cruiser and did not know you could squeeze on some 33's. Do you get tire rub if you do a full turn?
Can you give any input on highway speeds in snowy conditions. Thats what I'm looking for.
I have these same tires, size and everything on a 10th generation F150 4x4 Supercrew and have trouble with them chunking.... Definitely going Nittos next time around.
Btw, should have gone lettering out on your rig 🤙
What size Cooper tires did you use. Which brand and size of rims did you use?
I have coopers on my 100 series it’s has a 2 inch lift my tyres are 285x16 KO 2 they are off road and on road i have done 60 thousand klm on them they are quite on the road and I don’t do much off road driving they cost me 400 a tyer I get better klm to the liter I cannot fault them they are a great tyres for on road and off road I live down here in Australia Melbourne
It would be nice to see how the tires perform off-road, since that seems to be the main reason for getting them. If you flex your suspension much, you'll likely start wishing for more lift quickly.
There’s plenty of videos on CZcams like you suggest. I was more curious how they performed on-road as that’s where most people do most of their driving, and then you have added ability to take them off-road.
Is it true these become hard and slick after usage (due to a harder rubber compound used by Cooper)? How are they in wet/rain conditions?
Are these tires effective for snow as well?
Land Cruisers must be very well insulated. I have STT Pro's on a Wrangler and a Commander. On both vehicles they are LAF!! But they look great, last 60,000 + miles, and kick ass offroad. I put a performance tune on my Commander and 4:10 gears to combat the loss through the taller tires. Runs better now with 33's than it did with 28.5's.
Love my STT pros on my 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
I'm looking at these for my Tacoma but I want to try to stick to 255/85R16s and they aren't made in that size. Might do Toyo MTs until I decide on cutting metal for 34/35s.
Also, where's your jack stands? a hydraulic lift alone is definitely not safe.
2db is a significant difference. Sounds isn't measured like lenght, volume or percentage. Fatigue will set in way sooner than with the stock tyres.
Cheers
12:10 Nice
great video. any update about the wear of the tire after 6 months or a year?
i ran stt pro too. 35x12.5x15 kept them aired at 12psi down to 5. they lasted 10 months before tread was gone. 12psi not ideal but neither are m/t tires for extended tire life. i buying st maxx now i dont run in mud
Knobbly tyres on my motorcycle were absolutely terrible in the rain on tarmac, no grip at all. Would be interesting to know how your tyres perform in the wet on the road
I put the 285/75R16 Cooper ST’s on my 01 Sierra and they are ok.
But my jacked up 79 k10 has 35x12.5R15 Mickey Thompson Baja Claw TTC’s and they are the shit! They cut through mud, and snow like butter.
Been using Thompson Baja in lifted Toyota Tundra for 8 years and never had no problem. Great brand.
Mud Terrain tire , are they noisy on the high way? that's ok on Hw?
I installed these just yesterday and huge difference from my oem tires. I understand they are mts but damn, too loud, heavy, and rough. I installed on a 19 Titan Pro4X. Wont install these again.
With what tire size did you go?
I have on my f150 STX copper st maxx tires I drive in the mountains of Pennsylvania no problem I have to drive in 30inches of snow to get to my camp
When calculating your mileage make sure take into account error induced by larger sizes. Reported mileage will be the same 8% less as speed.
Yessss...
What is the largest that can go in 2006 Lexus LX470? Actual 275 60 18. I am thinking about 285/70/18 wrangler Duratrac
What kind of 16" wheels are those? I have an '07 Land Cruiser with AHC and am currently running the stock 18" wheels on them right now but would like a little more side wall. Did you have any clearance issues going down to a 16" wheel? Thanks for all the info!
did you ever switch to a 16 inch wheel?
At the 38 second mark you are in the grass at Callies Campground in Red River Gorge.
So I been wanting to get some mud Al terrain tires or mud and snow tires for my little S10 . Would that be bad for highway driven I get some people saying don't do it some day get em balanced and your good .d ont matter what's the issue anyone know ?...
What size tires did you go with and do you have a lift?
riding a 1st gen Sequoia until a land cruiser finds me...in southeast (cincy) Ohio also...doing a slight build on the sequoia but very limited since there is the lovely semi rusting issue...looking to run offroad to 'break' in the Sequoia...LOL..done various work to it to keep it running..knuckle busting involved..there's the joy in it!!!
A Sequoia is a great rig in the interim. What year Cruiser you looking for?
@@EatSleepDrive probably sticking with the 100 series...was considering the LX470 options like most...good price points...wifey wants late model 200 because its newer and has more amenities when she is in the passenger seat...LOL...found a company that imports LC from around various countries and they source left hand diesel models that are legal in the states...mostly the 100 and 105 series...that another thought of mine...would be cool for a 'real' LC with the turbo diesel...
I noticed you showed white letters before install
But after it showed Blackwall did you flip them for a reason
They love these tires in Australia!
How many miles does she have now? Have you reached 300k yet? Looks beautiful
Thanks for the kind words. I'm at 264k on the old girl, still running strong.
@@EatSleepDrive Of course it is. It's a Toyota, and a damn nice one at that.
The reason MT don’t balance well isn’t from new it’s that they don’t t wear even and off-road in rocky terrain the tread can tear which causes imbalance
Any power loss with heavier wheels?
Its been a year. Are they still quiet? How many miles are on them now?
285/75/16 at 2:44 33' tires for 100 series LC
How many miles can you get out of these. Same as stock, a little less or or more?
I was under the impression that these tires are high void all season light truck tires, not MT's. Cooper has an Evolution MT. Also, one of the most amazing things about this tire is the ability to retain traction on wet pavement. I've had many MT's and all terrains and these blow them out of the proverbial water in stopping in the rain. I live in the PNW and they have saved me multiple times on the wet roads.
Glad to hear you've has good success with them. I'm loving them so far.
What size rim are you running? 18? 17?
When are you going to sale the LandCruiser? I Want to buy it.
those stock wheels are forged steel thats why they are so heavy. To reach the same strength quality in a lighter forged aftermarket wheel would cause cost to increase dramatically, The OEM wheels are strong AF
Throw a set of 35 inch Mickey Thompson Baja's on there and you'll have second thoughts 😂 I went from 33 inch all terrains on my 2003 F150 to 35 inch Mickey Thompson Baja Claws. Fuel mileage went down 3 mpgs. Noticable power loss and braking performance was worse. Very loud on the highway and lots of vibrations at slow speed from the huge lugs on the tires. Stock wheels and tires were around 65lbs each. 35" wheels and tires were about 120 lbs each. BUT IT LOOKED SICK AF!