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Several Aspects are not working with Berserk Ripping & that has a huge impact on the Bleed Bash Barb - also for Season 5! Did you know about these mechanics?
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08:01 Berserk Ripping
10:15 What it means for Season 5
so it affecs dust devil as well, gotta change some things
glad you are finally realizing this. Damage %, Damage Over-Time, Vuln, Crit Damage, aspects with straight damage multipliers. Its a lot more complicated and pushing one stat only is not the most optimal.
@@diegomsantos13 any thing that affects base damage will push RIpping damage to its max.
Rob i've even seen u do 1.5B with
the elements at 7:28
U got a aspect that can proc a % of a total of bleed damage when stun..and for me that aspect clearly clear pack of mob
Blizzard will fix these issues by nerfing the sorc.
I was thinking exactly this lol. But even better i was thinking they will be shock on what to do, what is more important, fix this aspects that maybe end in a buffed barb build or keep nerfing the sorc ? I know its a hard decision Blizz, but remember you can nerf the shit out of the sorc in S5 mid patch, its not like Sorcs are good at the moment anyway.
😂😂😂😂
Lol😂
😂😂😂
i love that this meme has transformed into being about sorc and not barb anymore lmfao
We need dps meter in the training dummy room. It would make it so much easier to test builds
Completely agree.
should also be able to spawn dummies with same health points as uber bosses
Amen!
We need to not have spaghetti code where more things don't work then they do.
Too hard for these noobs to program
This is the same thing that has been true for Poison Imbuement Scaling Rogues. Poison Imbue scales based on "base damage" (which is a bit confusing of a term), which is the same as berserker ripping. Aspects that scale "skill damage" (such as edgemaster/moonrise/adaptability/expectant) do not change the "base damage" of the skill.
How is base damage a confusing term?
@@SebiBubble it isn't, learning has its curve XD
mate I am using your puncture Andariel build ,and its awesome, I was able to kill Lilith at level 80 :) so thanks mate for sharing with us
@@SebiBubble Evidently, confusing enough for "barb jesus" so..
@@SebiBubble because base damage in an arpg means next to nothing. Does it mean weapon damage? does it mean weapon damage X skill coefficient? weapon+coefficient+additive? Nope, weapon+coefficient+additive+arbitrary multipliers.
It is (mostly, except for some bugs) working as intended. For the most part, only your main core stat (strength) increases your skills base damage and it's still counted as a base damage. After that, when any other damage multiplier is applied, the damage is no more base damage.
Therefore, aspects that multiply e.g. your basic (not base!) skill damage do not affect berserk ripping, because after multiplying the basic skill damage by the aspect, that damage is no more base damage. Berserk ripping takes the base damage from the skill before it is multiplied with anything. This basically works as a "base damage" for the berserk ripping.
Why general damage aspects, such as Inner Calm, then work for Berserk ripping, you ask? Because the Berserk ripping "base damage" is multiplied separately by any applicable multiplier, after it is extracted from the base damage of the skill that caused it.
Inner Calm is a general damage increase for all of your damage, therefore when berserk ripping base damage is calculated, Inner calm boosts that damage. Inner calm would separately boost the skill damage that caused the bleed via berserk ripping, but before boosting the skill damage, the bleed from berserk ripping is calculated from the base damage of that skill, and then the inner calm ALSO boosts the berserk ripping bleed damage.
How are you not using your portal to leave the room and come back?
It's intended, and your example about it working on other aspects is consistent with the wording on the berserk ripping aspect. The generic damage multipliers like inner calm increase ALL damage, so it increeases the bleed damage as well, but the damage multipliers on SKILL damage like the basic skill damage multipliers do not, because it only affects the skill, nothing else.
edit: What is likely unintended is the fact that it scales with strength if it actually does, because that also only increases skill damage. Has anyone verified for sure that strength scales berserk ripping? It might be an exception and seen as increasing the base damage of all skills rather than being a separate multiplier on the skill damage.
Yep I am not calling this a bug - it is just an interaction I & many were not directly aware of. So I shared it here also to raise some awareness & min max community builds even further!
Its a bug for adaptability for wind shear druids, if they've not fixed it lately. But moonrise works.
Since the poison with calm breeze aspect is still a basic.
But yea it seems like it is intended, but adaptability is bugged completely or partially
Edit: mb it seems to be the storm part of greatstaff of the crone that is bugged with adaptability, works with moonrise
@@Rob2628 Its enough that you understand it and are aware of it Rob, most of us will copy your builds and rock 😂
5 random hit without two aspect, billion dots, shadow necromancer, spamming the skill standing still infinite time proccing all the conditional multiplayer at the same time, something that it’s very difficult to do cause we need to dodge in the meantime to not die, reaching the same amount when the wither node proc, well, it’s clear that the shadow necro should be nerfed of about 60%, right blizzard?
Oh shadow got massacred ngl so they nerfed basically every class and buffed barb lol
You know a class is a bit overtuned when you can waste a 2h and amulet aspect slot with dead aspects and still out dps every other class.
Facts.
You only get this damage with crazy gear necro still out damages us since we are single target most of the time unlike necro
@@r3l3ntful I dont think necro can do 500 bill dps like flay barb
And they you realize they aremt even the top damage, clear, boss, or pit class in the game and only sit in the middle of the pack amd start to understamd that idiots dont even understand ehat they are complaining about. They are outdamaged by both sorc and necro roughly even with rogue and only really beat out MOST druid builds. Fuckin christ get a grip.
like a druid main, i just have no worlds for that
Treat what works on Berserk ripping like Andy's Poison rogue. If it explicitly says "Skill damage". It doesnt work. Only Flat damage increases work
Ah yes, I'm sure most of the barb mains here play puncture Andy rogue as their backup 😂
Seriously, what kind of useful tip is this lol
@@droid5785 A barb can use Andys the last time I checked right? Then maybe Andy's WW... or ur peasized brain still can't connect the dots lol.
Been telling people moonrise and adaptability doesn’t do shit for berserk ripping since the start of the season smh.
If you want max damage try temerity and damage while barrier is active on 2H 😉
Lmao Temerity
It's good in hardcore idk why you would wear it in SC @@animalchin5082
@@animalchin5082 barrier ain’t worth a shit, but the damage with the 1.5 is nutty
It is only when used with Beserk ripping they dont work? So with Robs Uber Iron it does? 🙏
hey rob great content thanks for that. is it possible to also add doombringer to this build? would I lose anything. I gave up on aspect of elements
Thank you so much for this. Before server maintenance i was hitting a billion now its like down to 250mil will test this thanks for the uodate video will not give up on my fav build.
what amount of vulnerable dmg u recommend? ratio vulnerable/crit
in s5 direct damage bash - when bash cleave is nerfed will that still be the best triple masterwork on weapons that are not that new unique sword?
Hey Rob or anyone I have a question about a masterwork. I got a tripple GA two handhammer str, life, crit damage. Tempers went good got crit damage and bash cleave. I masterworked it and got 3 roles on bash cleave. My crit dam is 5100. Would it be better to re-roll for crit damage or keep the 3 roles on bash cleave for +451%??
do you conclude the same with FLAY Bleed build?
Flay should be fine since Flay is a basic skill, but maybe Rob can chime in here.
Flay doesnt use Berserk Ripping so all is fine there!
Those two aspects also don't work with the free storm strike you get from Great Staff of the Crone for the stormclaw druid build. Which is just, chefs kiss of schadenfreude.
The reason it is off base is to prevent double dipping: all dots scale with strength, aspect of elements etc. If berserk ripping worked the way people thought, it would be double dipping with the things that it actually scales with.
mate how ur bleed tics scale so fast?
Ooh. Tuning in now to watch. This is big news!
How about Barrier Generation tempered on pants and boots (instead of Crowd Control Duration) along with the Conceited aspect (instead of Elements)? Do these provide more benefit?
Dude, Rob is on another level of gaming. The work he puts in is crazy….and fantastic
@@mikeevola3801 "putting in work" to me is crazy to say on a video game.
I'm assuming those types of multipliers were disabled as a fix for the early bleed bug. Remember the period of a couple barb legendary powers being completely disabled? I hope this wasn't their fix for that.
how does he have COA but skill tree is different?
Why won’t my bleed process twice when using 2H sword expertise? Need help!!!
im using these aspects with a bash barb with rupture. does adaptability and moonrise not work for my build?
If you want to see what exactly works, check Lunatelli's ww barb builds. And then have fun.
Does this affect the WW barb or flay barb at all?
Flay is not using Berserk Ripping so no on that end. On WW Barb however things like Edgemaster etc wont work!
@@Rob2628 so are you updating the planners or do I need to figure out what to replace edge masters with myself? 😁
@@Rob2628
Adaptability is bugged rn it doesn’t work on the ammy i put mine on my ring and I went from 5-10 mill bleed ticks to 20-50m
hey rob do you think you could do a video about returning to diablo i quit at like mid season one through the end and i was competitive abd i wanna get back into it again but idk how to start and all the new buffs and everythijg
just watch mid-season patch video. There is no huge changes. Season is only 3 months, it's not like you are coming back after 5 years.
Does Paingorger work with it?
What about Flay-build? Moonrise, Edgemaster, Adaptability still work?
Wud assume no
@@Maddog4o2 mb, i tested many aspects (elements, ripping, barrier, vampiric course) and didn't see any difference on bleed damage, actually. And now don't understand, how it works at all😂 crit chance 100% and crit chance 76% - no difference. Mb, for flay build more important attack speed, idk
@@fernandocortesdemonroy7520 flay u wana stack ur atk speed to stack the bleeds. S5 builds will change
Flay works because flay damage comes from the skill vs the base dmg.
So what about flay and rupture? Are they also affected by this problem?
No they don’t use the berserk ripping aspect
How about change moonrise to the rupture aspect. I noticed a huge clear speed increase using rupture vs hota in high tier pit. The guy cleared t150 with bash use rupture not hota
You don't get the 30% damage increase for 5 seconds.
@@PistolPeterson859 you don't get the 40% attack speed boost using hota. I'm not seeing a t150 clear with hota setup yet
I’d say it’s bugged because you’d expect berserk ripping to operate based on the % of damage you do, no matter where the multiplier comes from. Now it makes more sense why dust devils is almost just as good. Edit: well it does say “base damage dealt” in the tool tip so it does make sense.
Schould i change adaptbilty aspect on the flay barb ?
Appreciate all the planners Rob, but if possible, maybe a cleanup on the site would help? 10 variants is a little confusing.
Theyre labled. If you know how to read you can figure it out.
@Rob2628 What do I change my aspects for my items for Flay/Bleed?
No need to change anything for Flay!
Hi, has anyone tested the bash cleave from temper on weapon if it actually scales with berserk ripping?
Yea it does a lot of damage when I switched
i have the bash barb build and after watching your video i immedietly check on my build,, i only use 1 unique (shako), i use topaz basic damage on my weapons, and for the aspect i use :
iron warrior, conceited, might, hectic
moonrise, berserk ripping, inner calm, bold chieftain
fierce wind, devilish, and rapid aspect
(as you see, i'm not using adaptability)
i've noticed that all the damage multiplier working properly from all aspects except the berserk ripping, it wont work. Then i replace the moonrise with the element and the berserk ripping works just fine, but because i only have Bash as the main damage i got struggle on pit 100 coz the attack speed is so low (rapid aspect + 43 attack speed bonus is not enough) so then i imprint back the moonrise and decide not use the berserk ripping.
so i think berserk ripping wont be friend with the moonrise
this is working like it should, cuz the bleed damage is up your base damage and not final damage, u guys just miss undertend the text on the aspect.
I was thinking the same thing. How I'm understanding it is that base damage is your attack power and so Elements does increase attack power when activated but Adaptability and Edgemasters does not change your attack power.
@@xmusic2049 Yah! This video in not a big deal, just Rob trying to farm some views cuz theres nothing new por a while in the game... Dont blame him... everyone has to pay bills LMAO.
@@xmusic2049 Also, I think... do a bleed bash build is worthless, why not just play Fley instead? Bash is fine building damage on itself, mix a bleed mecanic is just worthless...
I concluded EXACTLY this after like 10mins of testing by myself earlier this season, and have equipped elements on the amulet instead of adaptability. How is rob not finding this out earlier. His job is d4 xD
@@amberow9892 He`s just farming some views, dude, dont blame him... Bills have to be payed, u know? xD hahahaha
Hmmm…. So we have room for Skullbreaker to take those 5s of bleed dps and get 40% of that as instant damage instead? Depending on how long enemies survive, it could add up to quite a bit, for the full 5s it would be double your bleed dps.
There’s a few other things you are not taking into account:
- moonrise attack speed buff might still make it worth having depending on if you hit the cap or not
- the new unique sword gives +4 to basic skills, getting the base damage of bash up, which in turn makes the cleaves and paingorger procs go up in damage, feeding that extra damage into berserk ripping
Does anything in this game work right?
Should flay builds drop adaptability and move moonrise to a 1H also?
No this only affect builds using berserk ripping!
What is with Ancient Oath ...it says all damage 50 x
yea but thats very low / not a great choice
is this the same for season4 or just season 5????
Both Seasons atm
If inner calm is important enough to go on the amulet for bleed bash, should WW bleed be using inner calm somewhere too?
I seen early ww bleedd using inner calm but i never understood why as the ww movement cancels out the inner calm proccing. At least with controller i could never figure out how to make that work so dropped it
@@JoeBezk I think it is just for the 10% damage (not the 30% while stationary for 3 seconds). Even on a bash build, you are rarely stationary for 3 seconds. But inner calm is different in that it just "deals more damage" and doesn't proc on skills or other conditions, which is why it works with bleed while some other stuff doesn't work with bleed. There could be some weird double dipping there too.
@@tonyng9 ah ok that makes sense just seems like there would be better options then
So Rob what does this mean for the whirlwind bleed?
Ww doesn't use those aspects
When I click on your "all builds" link in description, it always takes me to your season 3 builds and wont let me change seasons with the dropdown wtf lol
It saves the recent Season as a cookie try this link instead; d4builds.gg/rob2628/builds/?season=4
Is paingorger still useful or is it a wasted unique?
It is great yes def use!
Can you turn off any damage expect dots? It would be easier to demonstrate the dot damage when you showcase something like this.
I think this video is from live server and feature for selecting dmg text was only on ptr for now
@@Szajrii you are right, i thought for some reason that dmg text was live everywhere.
So the direct damage still use those aspects it sounds like?
Correct 👍🏻
Does this affect the whirlwind bleed build? Thanks for your work Rob
WW doesn't use Adaptability or Moonrise, so no
Only thing it changes for me is that I had on edgemaster for my leveling variant but now I know not to use it
Is the Direct Tyrael variant affected? Has the planner changed at all
not atall this only affects the Bleed Versions that use Berserk Ripping
Some said adaptability works on rings but not amulet. Is that true?
not from my testing
@@Rob2628 danke schön, Rob.
Does counter offensive work? Had a neck with +2 CO but didn't see much difference
As counteroffensive is a generic multiplier it should work!
Yeah when you get to counter +4 or +5 it's very clearly scaling
What if I use your standard double bash build? I have moon rise on 2h mace, adaptability on neck.
I'm not using berserk ripping
Is this impacting ww barb??please reply when you see it!!thanks!!
What about ww barb?
What does this mean for wwdd, drop edge masters for inner calm?
I never recommended edgemaster on WW this season. Elements is the best option!
was ist das für ein Aspekt oder Waffe, dass man mit Projektilen schießt ?
Chest piece proc tyraels might
The base bash dmg is being tripled jus not ur bleed.
Thx for your hard work
Does this affect your Flay builds?
no as it does not use Berserk Ripping
that's why I have a thorns barb
What is the cosmetic set used here?
Season 2 Season of Blood cosmetic
*With spaghetti code everything is working as intended OFC.*
Berzerk ripping has been an issue and buggy since release. Inconsistent workings
Rob, where do you get those wallpapers?
Obviously AI generated aka he doesn't want to pay a thumbnail artist
got them on my discord now - artwork channel: discord.gg/wV8F2cZqJJ Enjoy!
@@Rob2628 thank you. Idk who makes them but it’s very beautiful art
@@ghostisdname5680 That's stolen art mashed together by an AI model. :)
it's not a bug, it's just the designers not knowing what they're doing and putting in just enough work to get home and watch sitcoms
I figured this bleed damage out a few weeks ago and been running direct bash, and went a little further and made a duel wield version since my crit is only around 50%... hota direct is higher only if your crit chance is somewhere around 80% and I think there's more potential waiting to be discovered with duel wield since I'm just a filthy casual
I'm tired of them destroying the builds. I understand balancing but destroying them altogether season after season is getting frustrating.
Does cut to the bone work?
yes!
“For some reason paingorgers buffs the dmg” dude read the tool tip on the gloves wtf. It’s doing exactly what it says. That’s the reason you spam chains to keep that mark up as well as vulnerable and berserking
Ok, so use what in place of adaptability
Blood drop legendary power doesn't work I forgot what it's called but it makes you drop blood drops that blow up.😮
Show your real paragon please… 2500 strength… I have same build with 2/3 greather affixes I apply the build on your d4build planer but I don’t have the same damage…
How do you get the crit strike damage tempering?
put your weapons in your bank, get on a rogue and temper on the rogue
Affect flay bleed?
No Flay is not using Berserk Ripping. Also one of the reason why Flay is overperforming
Fresh cut!!
Did he discover a Dall-e prompt for his gfx?
Has no one ever calculated the damage and noticed the 4x difference? 😅
you cut the triple GA hair ?!
I touched some grass - boom suddenly there was a lawn mower
Does this relate to flay Barb?
no as it does not use Berserk Ripping
@@Rob2628 cool thanks
Rob,
From a Casual (time constraints) but elitist min/max nerd, thank you so much man for posting all your results/findings. A lot of people find this shit and don't tell anyone, people like me would be derping into a DMG wall in pit 82 forever.
Blizzard need to make diablo IV more simple
how many aspects simply don't work, or don't work as described?? What the hell? I can't explore making my own builds with the game like this.
Nothing really works exactly as the tooltip says. Read already made planners and guides, pare that with your own testing, and you should be able to do some builds yourself.
That's mainly the reason why I rarely do any builds 100% by myself because you need to be up-to-date with the newest shitty bugs blizz introduced
Mean while... Druid have a Lightning aspects it supous to work like a Storm/Nature Magic spell and dont scaling nothing of this thinks. Passives thinks that says lighting damage, also not work whit Storm/natureMagic damage. Skill that do Lightining Bolts, lightning strikes, Lightning whatever and seems like separed thinks that dont work together. Very very confulsing...
Is this only for season 5? Cause i done less damage against Lilith when i swapped out adaptability
The continued bugs with barb aspects is nuts
I wouldn't say it is a bug. Just a mechanic / interaction to be aware of
ye this def isnt a bug this is just how they designed the interactions, its working exactly how its worded its just pretty tricky to parse
This has been documented on D4 discord for months :)
You also use the incorrect number for CSD calculations.
still in beat 2 phase, lot of things not working as should be
Wallpaper link please
It is on my discord - artwork channel link in video description. Enjoy!
How are you doing 1b ticks I'm doing 350m and my gear is so identical to yours
Same in name, he bought triple quadruple star versions of them and spent trillions in mats to get perfect rolls
@robertrijkers947 wounder how he got so much I had to reroll my tyreals might around 160 times to hit all 3 max res but my gear is 80% of his so dont know how he is doing tripple the damage.
So basically - Dust Devils are considered a "skill" for the barbarians.
Wow they need to buff barbarian! It’s so weak compared to Druid!!
Still takes 2 hours to kill a tier 120+ boss
Why don't they make berserk ripping math and other like that shit to be calculated from damage done. So no double dipping and other crap
It used to work like that but they fixed it when this happened czcams.com/video/f8HHXGadOhA/video.html
@@Rob2628 yeah i remember that lol
"Gee, why does my shout build not do more berserk damage when my gear is tuned towards shouts?"
- every meta player
Berserk ripping scales with... wait for it... berserk damage.
Shocking, I know.
why don’t you slow down for the people in the back!