Destiny 2: After Shaxx Maxxing, More Onslaught Thoughts, Good And Bad
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- čas přidán 11. 04. 2024
- I have been playing nothing but Onslaught since launch, and I have Some Opinions about the mode. I like it quite a bit with a few things I wish were different.
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It’s total bs how on some waves the bosses spawn right on top of you
If you look at the mission objective you can see that the round is a Demolitionist round, so you can anticipate them a bit
Eh just build decoys
That was my issue too especially on legend at wave 49
@@TheDdrumbum32for real, got to wave 49 just to get installed by 3 bosses 😅
@boostio-xg4zg Guess I'm going back to void nightstalker then! Lol..
4:20 Man if I had a nickel for every time a random ignores the res then gets blasted, I’d own the entire Eververse store
It's always a hunter too
@@Storse Actually tho 😂. A hunter also pushed me off a ledge in the onslaught boss room as warlock, no saving that one 💀
Yes blame the random for not rez zing you when YOU are the one dead lmfao. How about don’t die to begin with?
@@Moobeusfound the guy who ignores rezzes and then dies and wipes the team
@@cadentan9083 look me up bozo. Beaten every map on legend and done 10 total already. How many have you done?
Nothing hurts more than a round 49 tormentor on legend. Did a run before work today and the tormentor slammed us ALL off the edge cause of us needing the well. 60:23 😩
Feels bad man but you don't get anything special for beating 50 waves multiple times so outside of time on the last 10 waves you didn't lose out on much lol. Wonder if bungie is planning on changing that.
Oof! That's harsh!
Only problem I have with Onslaught is session length. 10 wave feels painfully short, defenses are almost completely unnecessary, and the boss wave is a joke; but 50 waves can feel overly long, starts to drag in the 30s unless something exciting happens like a tormentor spawn. The 6 round interval pyramid sections also feel extremely pointless and the mode would be better off without them, and instead spawning another challenge like a shielded brig or skyburners, or actually having you fight the yellow bar at the end instead of dunking the spark.
Onslaught is a great 'first draft' of a horde mode activity, can't complain as far as free updates go. Hope they experiment with its framework in the future.
I'd kind of like 15-20 waves. But that might make the average session longer than 15 to 20 minutes. Something they might not want to do for a playlist.
You don’t have to beat all 50 waves. You don’t get anything special, losing after 30/50 waves is the same as winning 3 10 wave versions.
Says he doesn't have time , after that says that he finished 4 times 50 waves. Gigachad
Cope
That's like 4ish hours of gameplay
I have only done 1 legend with my buddies and 1 regular 50 wave with matchmaking. The matchmade one took around 50ish minutes with a new light in the lobby so i am not surprised he has done 4 in 2 days.
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Titan is actually super strong in this activity especially when enemies are funneled through a gap. You through down a rally barricade and it stuns them all as they pass through.
Like a super tripwire that you get every ~35 seconds.
Titans can also use Banner of War, Strongholds and The Lament together to tank "a lot" if things go south.
I've actually died in the Boss room though, the Boss and 'every single add' focused on me. Very few things in the game will survive that kind of constant damage.
If things go south in the Boss room, run and hide lol.
Thank you. This review has helped me tremendously.
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Apparently the new meta is running only the first set of 10 waves on Legend difficulty to get two chests, and then restarting the activity. Hopefully Bungie can buff high-number runs on both difficulties so that they become actually worthwhile.
The activity overall is very fun to run and experiment with, many of the minor issues I have had with the activity and loot cycle are very amendable or even forgettable. I like that the shiny variants aren't always a clear cut above a regular variant - just like Pokemon, a great IV/perk roll on a regular Pokemon/gun is much better than a shiny one with terrible perks or IVs. Though the double perk option is very nice, to eliminate some randomness from the equation.
The game mode is fun because it is open enough to allow you to bring in whatever crazy sort of load out you want. I played with someone rocking Deathbringer the other day and I can't even remember the last time I've seen someone use that in the game. I also enjoy that doing all 50 rounds takes up about an hour. It's a great way to limit my time in D2. If I log in and play close to or all 50 rounds then I'm ready for a break. When I do a 10 minute strike, spend 15 minutes in the tower, do a seasonal activity, before long I've wasted 3 hours and haven't really accomplished anything. Here I'm getting the loot I want in an activity that's fun and am able to head out after an hour of playtime.
At least with pokemon getting a shiny doesnt limit you with a time window. You can still grind out a shiny in a 20 year old pokemon game. Im fine with the low drop rates for these shiny weapons, its just the 2 month time window that sucks for a cool feature that would be really good for the game.
Tbh I just wish onslaught was an actual horde mode, having to defend the adu can be a bit tedious but it's whatever
In gears of war horde mode you lose if the fabricator is destroyed. That’s the original horde mode.
@@sequoia7284 that doesn’t mean it’s good firefight was the best in terms of horde mode it was a simple objective -survive
@@sequoia7284not at all. Gears 2 and 3 had no fabricator. The fabricator in 4 and 5 is also moveable along with all the defenses. Onslaught is basically gears 3 horde but with a fabricator and far!less buildings/upgrades
I got a Brave Hung jury and Edge transit on my first 50 completion,having good teammates helped a lot
They better not be moving away from crafted weapons. They can have both for those that want to chase but also for those that want 95% of the best a weapon can offer without being at the mercy of RNG.
Sadly, the Prophecy refresh has me thinking you might be right. Another deprecated system abandoned by Bungie in an attempt to course correct would be a mistake to have in the game in my opinion.
They said Onslaught is sticking around after Into the Light, so I could totally see it expanded into part of the ritual activities with more maps and enemy types, especially after such a positive overall reaction this week. It seems like such an easy win, why wouldn't they... oh, now I get what you meant ...but imagine Onslaught with the Dread. Oops! All Tormentors!
Are the parade set pieces not ornaments? Do i really have to convert them?
Legend definitely has a meta, but normal mode is a ton a fun and so many builds work. My favorite one was a Renewal Grasp/Lament shatter dive build
I've been having fun with normal, running some rando builds that would never cut it for GMs but the strike playlist is so mind numbingly easy that nothing matters. And the pace of rewards is pretty steady such that failing a run doesn't feel that bad, you're only missing out on the final bonus chest.
Shout outs to the blueberry who during a boss phase was just unloading his thunderlord into the inside of my titan bubble. Legit made me laugh, whereas in some sweaty mode I would've raged.
So far my only "real complaint " about onslaught is that the tormentor lighting rounds are random like Dares lol if there was a way that would some what guarantee a lighting round more often id be having so much fun! But its not that big of a deal for me I just hope the honeymoon phase lasts longer than deep dives and every other horde mode not horde mode before it...
“Titans aren’t optimal”
*Laughs in Void and Solar Titan*
Stasis Titan feels pretty good in Onslaught
@@Daemonic6 I need to try it out
Hell, Strand too. Going with either Banner of War or Drengr's lash makes you either constantly regen or be able to suspend enemies constantly
As a titan main I don't think titans are great in this as a lot of the kit requires you to be up close compared to well spam or tether spam.
@@MildsandThatYacHe incredible good with Icefall Mantle, Salvation Grasp, Tectonic Harvest, Diamond Lance.
Whisper of Fissured, Whisper of Chains, Whisper of Shards, Whisper of Conduction, Whisper of Rime/Refraction.
glad he brought back the intro
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything about the reduced number of turrets. They probably reduced them to lower server load
They said they’re gonna nerf the envious + cascade edge transit. Not sure what else is even worth getting
Can’t wait to see an onslaught map with the dread enemies
I think it's fine if the shiny ornament goes away, but keep the double perk rolls after final shape
running solar titan with fixed odds and loreley with an ignition build is amazing im consistently getting like double the kills of the rest of my team by the end.
Is this activity going to stay? I have very limited playtime due to my jobs
I don't get focussing. Whenever I focus a weapon, it's drop rate decreases from all sources. OTOH, I do have enough HJ and ET to arm a couple of battalions
It’s bugged for some people
Ikr. I have recluse focused... pretty much only getting Hung Jury ...
I mean, about those shinny drops, I got 1 in 4 days and for a weapon I dont particularly care... maxed Shaxx as well, no way I am going to farm this, I play until I stop enjoying it, drops are not worth my sanity. I feel is more bungie milking us than anythign else.
My favorite part is being yeeted 200ft into the ocean on midtown when the tormentor boops you
When you gonna get a cool animated opening?
More interesting than strikes and not as limiting as nfs, really the only problem i have is timegated weapons but what can you do
Are there any numbers on the shiny guns? I’ve done 450-500 waves and not had one drop. I’m probably just getting unlucky but yeah. I shiny hunt in the old Pokemon games so I’m used to bad luck, but it’s a bit annoying since they are going away with TFS. Hope I can get a couple at least.
Yeah I don't get his pokemon comparison when we're not supposed to just have weapons sitting in our vault wasting space like a shiny pokemon. People want the shiny ornaments, but they don't want it to take up a vault slot because it's never going to be used compared to the basic god roll that you got. People like to actually see ornaments in the game when they're using weapons in challenging content.
@@redblue4127 Exactly
I think it’s crazy they took that long to develop this. They built out 2 little areas that look like areas in Vow, the rest are multiplayer and patrol area maps. The turrets and decoys are all previous assets too. How the hell do they take that long to make
Banner of War Titan on Legend is very viable. not sure on other titan builds.
If u chuck the battery at shacks or the turrets it will heal them
I've had a blast running a burning maul titan with pyrogale, consecration & dragon's breath. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
While i understand metas exist and that 2 warlock and 1 void hunter seems to be the "Meta", you can definitely accomplish a legend run without them. My first completion was on a stasis titan, strand titan and Stasis warlock. If anything, that just goes to show that you can complete a legend run with any team comp as long as everyone knows what they're doing.
Why would u use thorn if you can’t go collect the circles?
i don't like horde modes so as horde modes go this isn't bad. Agree on the fomo and stuff. Don't see the downside in keeping it going. For me an issue is i play on geoforce now since that's the only way i can use the epic store free dlc i got months ago which brought me back. It's limited to an hour at a time and then they boot you and honeslty it's only really like 45 mintues cause it basically takes like 15 for Destiny to boot fully and get a match started. so i've yet to be able to finish a 50 stage easy mode run and even when i died last time with maybe 15 minutes left to get booted by. geoforce we were only on wave 23. For me that's too long. Over an hour for stuff is mostly too long and a large reason i don't raid and a big reason it took me 3 weeks to get time to do prophecy for the marsa sov wish tokens.
I remember when Bungie wrote about not creating FOMO and they were not “about that”! Hum, guess they forgot …
I think the updates are more likely for this since it already includes PVP maps and is not paid
The pvp comp exclusives shouldve been added back to pvp comp with the updated perks. The rest should've been added back to the loot pool with their updated perks. Onslaught is okay but wasnt reall needed with Blindwell, Wellspring, Vex Incursion etc in the game already. These modes couldve been updated with the new weapons & more time couldve went into FS for fixes & stability to the game. The free 1820 gear was nice with some free exotics too.
Just hope onslaught is on a rotator or they add more maps cause shit gets repetitive
Titans are very optimal,strand with banner of is insane for this and solar titan is good
5:40 We did a run of legend in 57mins and I was on strand titan so Titan is def usable
Saying the drop rates of "shiny" guns should be super low because look at pokemon shiny odds is such a silly thing to say because Bungie didn't say they were supposed to be like shiny pokemon. The community just started calling them that colloquially. Having the odds of getting them being low is fine if the chase remains available, but with them planning to remove them once final shape launches combined with the terrible odds of getting what you want when they do drop, it's kind of a sick joke.
Decoys are op in legend, Shax can tank an entire Tormentor. Save everything till at least round 20 then pool for decoys and upgrades. By 40 is decoys are atill alive buy and uograde turrets, trips are completely worthless on legend though.
I don't know where this "titan is not optimal thing" is coming from. Syntho (or wormgods) banner of war titan is likely the strongest solo build in the game and 3 of them absolutely crushes legend onslaught.
Paul can you share your build please. What weapons are you using? Wtf rocket launcher has 4 in the mag? Crux?
Apex Predator Crafted with Reconstruction and Bipods
I watched Eassoterrick solo a normal with one so I had to build me one. Also have a chest piece with solar reserves x3 to put in before a rally flag and the. Switch back to whatever you were using.
Oh snap I need to craft an Apex Predator ASAP. Paul is using an Arc Rocket Launcher though, you know what it could be? Envious + Bipod Crux Termination?
Not letting us to reset Shax is an oversight IMO. Let us reset and earn rewards like Vanguard. But instead of the final rank of the usual exotic cipher, maybe drop us a guaranteed shiny.
Sure you have no control of what will drop but that would be nice for those who feel sullied by RNG lol.
Kinda wish they would of made at least 20lvs match made with 2 boss fights and the second boss fight be pretty tough...cause the 10 is just speed run and done....and could of had like a secret chance or I guess kinda the same thing as dares of eternity where after you beat the boss another portal opens and you go through another 10 waves and fight a tougher boss...and then you get rewarded 2 chests...but like I said...it be random like dares...that way doing the 10 waves could be a little more exciting cause it's not bad but it will get boring fast...and doing 50waves takes way to long...that's better for the die hard gamers
At 1:16 Paul says "that sucks" whilst he yeets a repair drone away from the ADU and instead in to the stratosphere.
How are more people not complaining about the 6th wave of every set having you enter the pyramid ship to dunk a spark? It’s honestly ruining the mode for me it makes it feel so much longer for no reason. I love the mode and it has so much potential but having a boss at wave 10 is perfect. Them 6 waves absolutely suck and don’t even give scrap
I wish they had a matchmade 10 wave legend. Normal 10 is way to easy, normal 50 is to boring and legend 50 is annoying as a solo (especially when enemies randomly tp on the point or you just get a tormenter who won’t leave it alone at 49.
IDC about succession. Haven't had it attuned outside the quest step. I've gotten 3 shiny successions and one shiny sword.
Maxed out shax. Got all the armor for all characters. Untold amounts of tokens into the chest. NO shiny weapons other than the quest.
Can't max a vendor in a week? I double reset Xur on Dares within 5 days when it came out.
Yea not gonna lie i have farmed all day yesterday and the day before and half of today i have yet to see a single rare cosmetic, but i have never wanted to keep playing this much in a long time because of it
I still don't understand why they made the drop rate so high for legendaries several years ago. I feel it's one of the main changes that hurt the game in the long run. Getting a purple in D1 was amazing and getting an exotic truly was special. I get exotics are now basically weaponized armor, but that rarity in getting something is needed. It would make craftng more special, too.
Because of constant feedback from the community that they don’t want rare items. People don’t want to not have things.
@@sequoia7284 Yeah people are literally complaining about the rare shiny weapons being rare. They cant handle anything being special
@@Magnum-qq5bz and I like the shiny weapons being rare AND going away after a short time. It's fun to have a way to show you participated in an activity during a specific amount of time.
@@KyleJWest-vn9kn What are you showing? A bad roll to blueberries in a patrol? No one minds the variants being limited edition, they mind not being able to get the rolls they want because they drop so rarely in the first place. You can't farm for a god roll of something that barely drops.
People don't wan't blue weapons because they're useless. Once you get a couple of purples, you're never going to use blues unless you're doing low level content. As far as the shiny versions, there's nothing "special" about simply getting a limited edition version lol. You're going to eventually get one, but they're so rare that the chances of it being a roll that is worth using over the basic versions is slim to none. Most people like cool, rare ornaments. Most people don't like ornaments taking up vault space just because they can't be applied to the better rolls of the basic versions that you actually were able to farm for.
My only real issue with onslaught is that by design this is a finite and limited activity. Once you max shaxx out and get the rolls you want, there is zero reason to ever do it again. I think the mode is super fun especially on legend but with no material drops other than a whopping 1 alloy the coil is still a more compelling activity than onslaught
I somewhat disagree. i think this has more staying power than something like strikes because it’s just a brainless activity with a shit ton of enemies where you can try out builds at an escalating level of difficulty. It’s not perfect but i like that i finally have an activity i can run to just go crazy killing a bunch of enemies without competing with my fireteam for kills like in strikes or gambit
@@diavolo1326 it’s definitely got the fun factor more than really anything, my point is more so the actual tangible rewards from running it. Cause once you get your weapon rolls and max reputation. There is no longer anything worth grinding for you know what I mean?
FOMO is the worst… I agree, I hope they don’t make the shinies limited time only
Glad to hear im not only one who dosent do legend.
I really like it so much fun
I’ve played Onslaught 3 times and I’m vendor rank 5 with Shaxx. The rank goes up so fast.
I maxed Shaxx out on the second day. If they don’t let us reset it, I’m going to start losing interest, lol.
Okay I don't normally mention it but I'm actually having trouble hearing him talk over the gameplay.
Ironically a lot of people I know prefer the crafted approach. I myself like the root of nightmares adept approach where you need to get the perks but can change the barrel, mag and mw and enhance the perks once leveled. Feel like thats the happy middle ground.
What rocket are you using?
Showering players with loot like how it is in a max coil and allowing more weapons to drop with multiple perks in each column would have been better than crafting. Honestly, crafting should have been reserved for raids only. That activity deserves RNG protection as it’s very involved and requires a group, and already most people can’t play or complete them. So you deserve to get what you want from those. But hey we have a populated pool of craftable weapons now, so if there are people who just need to have perfect everything or can’t stand the idea of any RNG, they can select weapons they want from the crafting pool now that it’s got a pretty big list.
Edit: spelling fixes
I've been loving Onslaught, failed legend the first 5 times till I got a whole team together, we had to group buildcraft and everything to get it done but when we did, it felt great. Also here's a tip to anyone struggling with focused farming. DONT UNLOCK ALL THE WEAPONS, only unlock the initial weapons you want to farm, as unlocking them all increases the loot pool and lowers your loot focusing potential. I'm getting all my Elsie's Rifle God rolls first and then I'll get the Falling Guiltoine quest done and then get all the god rolls of Guiltoine then move onto the next
I think the Portal spawns are stupid. We already hate commercial breaks but I get that the bosses wouldn't fit naturally on the PVP maps. I hope this is a building block for Gambit! Like what team can survive the longest. The difficulty gets harder and harder for both teams until one team is completely wiped. The matter is how do you make it a 20min or less piece of content per run for players to enjoy 🤔🤔
I mean, you’re averaging just over a minute per wave at 50 waves in an hour. That seems pretty darn quick; I wouldn’t mind fewer rounds that lasted longer per round.
Destabilizing rounds on reculse seems like it could be good
Nah repulsor brace on gyrfalcons Hunter wayyyyy better
I got destabilizing rounds and repulser one it...its bad 😢... the mag is to small for higher end content and the reload is just as bad...I think im going to go for a repulser frenzy roll to take care of the reload and damage issue
Repulsor brace and frenzy. Trust
Does destabilizing rounds and volatile rounds for gyrfalcons hunter stack?
@@jamestheking9816 they do
I reset that rank on day 2. There is actually no reason to run it after your first completion. You can help friends but theres nothing to look forward to. The time cap us and force some of us to take a few days off until reset 🤷🏾♂️ Meh
Enough with comparing D2's shinies with Pokemon. Pokemon doesn't tell you that you only have 2 months to get the shinies you want (with the IVs you're after) before they go away entirely.
I'm still thinking this is somewhat intentional only because the roadmap says the Hall goes away when The Final Shape launches. Still feels like Shaxx should have a couple resets though since its 2 months long
Defending the ADU aside, it reminds me a lot of mass effect 3's pve multiplayer.
In what way...? This is nothing like that multiplayer. That was a non-static wave defense with premade characters you can level up with high amounts of diversity and loots boxes for progression.
@outdoorinwithzach the concept is pretty familiar. Hordes of enemies attack you and you gotta not die. Even has little side objectives you have to do in addition to not dying. That multi-player component wasn't very developed, but I get familiar vibes when I'm playing. Especially when huge bosses spawn, reminds me of later waves of platinum
Reminded me of the rocket glitch for ME3 multiplayer. Good ol days lol
Difference from a shiny Pokemon and a destiny weapon is they wont make that one shiny Pokemon OP for 3 to 4 months and then nerf it. Then by the time you actually get one to drop its probably been nerfed two more times. Shiny in pokemon is bragging rights whether you caught it, traded for it, or breed it yourself its a large time investment.
Recluse you want desperate measure it’s 30% dmg buff definitely getting nerfed.
Why? They should nerf golden tricorn too in that case.
Hey hey dont put that out in the universe lol @jordanreavis8163
@@jordanreavis8163 one ability kill gives you 30% dmg buff with desperate measures that’s not the same as golden tricorn. Tricorn you need a gun kill to get perk than an ability kill to buff perk. Also weapon kills refresh the timer on DM. Anyway I don’t want it nerfed lol I just know Bungie
Hi,
I like the original battlegrounds. Nah that's wrong, I loved the OG battlegrounds. I hate the new ones because of the jumps and extra bits they added. So do I just get to kill stuff in these? Or am I going to be doing a bunch of jumping and speeder riding? "For me" i dont want much. A good wave/survival system is just that. A place where I can turn off my brain and kill stuff.
Take care and have a good one
I personally think a good way to go about the shaxx not reseting, is after a few weeks and some balance and more people get into the higher ranks or shaxx, that you can reset and the max reward could be an exotic engram similar to the core playlists.
But the difference is the engram from this can drop exotics from lost sectors that'll be free for all players (similar to the Queen's bounties) so players have another way to get some of these exotic armour pieces that are otherwise hard for new players to get.
I can't believe they didn't make a new arena for Onslaught. The pretty heavily implied that we'd be fight IN the Last City. But they just used old Crucible maps.
IKR? I was soooo excited to fight in the last city and it ended up just being old crucible maps 2 of which aren’t even in the actually city
They are diablo 4 uber unique drops low. Why have them in the game?
Bungie already said they'd be doing something about perk switching, so it's even less reason to hunt down the shinies, other than looks.
But it will be limited so gives you a reason to get
They should bring back a legacy Prison of Elders
I just hope this isn't another classic example of Bungie adding the ground work for something really cool, but hen they just leave it there to rot for three or four years before actually expanding on it.
That's why Gambit is such a joke anymore
Says titan isnt meta yet strand titan 1-2 punch exist
Overrated build
Bro, how much time are y'all putting into this damn game to max out his rank?
Took me a day to max out Shaxx and can't even reset.
The fact that its more effecient to just do 10 waves and then quit kills the entire game mode.
There is no reason to do 50 waves.
And i could not disagree more strongly about shiny weapons. They are going away in two months. They are INSANELY rare. I have over 20 full 50 wave legend clears and i haven't gotten a SINGLE drop. That absolutely not okay.
They need to make it so that you get a guranteed one from 50 waves on legend.
As it stands the entire game mode and loot system just encourages you to do 10 waves and then re set.
I don't mind shinies being rare as long as we can agree that the real shinies are the god rolled versions, not simply getting any shiny to begin with. There's no point in shinies being a thing if one one ever uses them and they just take up vault space due to being worse than the basic version god rolls that you worked for. There needs to be a more reliable way to farm for shiny versions, otherwise they're just gonna be vault wasters in a live service game. We love rare, pretty things, but we want to be able to use them seriously. No amount of grinding is going to net you the god rolls you want for these weapons at this drop rate.
@@redblue4127 I agree entirely. I don't give a shit about the ugly ass shader. I just want the double perks.
Looking to complete Legend with Titan? Try a Consecration build or Abayent Leap! Good luck all!
Done cleared level 50 legend on all three maps and I can say fuck moth yards lol
I been running this with 1000 voices whew they be melting
Is Shaxx Maxxing the new form of mewing?
how in gods name have you maxed shaxx without doing legend
Played for the first time in months today. Onslaught …. Destiny stuff
Been playing since Tuesday not one shiney
Damn dude 😢.
I drop a shiny one first thing in the morning, always but especially after I ate Chinese.
Not being able to reset Shaxx, when you can reset every other seasonal and playlist vendor, makes zero sense.