Audio FX | Insert vs Send/Return | X32 Effects Setup
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- I discuss the difference between Insert FX and Send/Receive FX. Let's talk about the ways you can use them and the different options for setting them up on the X32/M32 console.
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0:00 - Introduction
1:02 - Effects Overview (insert vs. send/return)
8:20 - X32 Effects Window
18:47 - Tips & Tricks
This video is all I needed to better understand the effects processes.
thank you so much for all the time invested in making this material free for us!
God bless you and your ministry!
Thanks for the encouragement. I’m glad you found it helpful.
Wow ! Great tutorial. You know what the important details are and you share them in a way that is easy to understand. Thank you, sir!
Hey, that’s great. Thanks foe the encouragement.
This video is perfect! Appreciate the assistance and simplifying the capabilities of the x32.
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Super helpful. Especially the white paper section to start framing
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Amazing info! Thanks! Crystal clear explanation
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Man, thank you so much for your time and lessons, you are a blessing bro. The best FX/SendReturn/insert guide for x32 users. your amazing bro.
I’m glad I could help. Let me know if you have other questions.
Using DCA for the returns.thanks for that tip sir!
This is an amazing video, such clear explanation. Thank you! I don’t have much background in audio but I am the volunteer sound tech at my church. Our board is under utilized and your instructions will help me add some magic to our mix, in house and online stream! 😊
Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have any questions about anything else.
This was very helpful, Thank You!
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Great explaining
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Great video
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Awesome explanation happy i found this.
Thanks for the feedback. Let me know if you have other skills you need help with, I might already have a video out on the topic.
@@AllamHouse totally!
I’ve been watching a bit of your videos for sure.
I just started digging into the x32 and have been trying to get as much info as is possible when creating mixes and such.
Right now my issue is understanding routing so that I can make changes as needed and being able to add/implement effects such as reverb into my signal flows for instruments or vocals.
Your video about Moving the signal flow and effects was very helpful. I will try to mess around with that.
Lastly, I’ve noticed when I save my scenes and go home to try and understand them via x32 edit app. It doesn’t pull up the settings and routing as they are at my board. Any thoughts?
This video here might be helpful as it covers specifics for a live stream mix with custom FX and such. While you are not asking about a live stream mix, your monitors are on a MicBUS and this live stream video discusses a mix on a MixBUS so it is relatable. czcams.com/video/pMnaiuC55RY/video.html
For taking your scene home, make sure to put a thumb drive into the console and “Save to USB”, then make sure to click the second SAVE button to make sure it actually prints to your thumb drive. Once you get home, make sure to properly load from your thumb drive and not a random scene on the computer.
@@AllamHouse Will give this a watch and double-check this, I am thinking I've been doing this. regarding saving the scene but I will check. Thank you so much for your attention and assistance.
Thanks! Thinking about first console here)
Do it, you won’t regret it.
@@AllamHouse Thanks)
Regarding mute groups and DCA mutes, If you assign a channel or group of channels to be controlled by a DCA, You can use the DCA's mute button to obviously mute the sound from the selected channels. Instead of having redundant mute buttons which could become confusing when it comes to getting your audio back when both are pressed. For groups of channels i prefer using a DCA and its mute. For busses and special applications I prefer using assigned mute buttons unless I am also assigning a DCA then I will use the DCA's mute.
Simplicity is best and it sounds like you have a found a great method and workflow.
@@AllamHouse I'm working on it. Really like your videos. I recently updated the firmware on my M32R-live and see there's a lot more flexibility so your videos are helping with the new learning curve. Thanks.
Question regarding technique adjusting levels for FX send/returns. If I want more/less of an effect, say I want more Delay going to FOH, is it better to push up the fader on the bus sending to the delay effect, or is it better to push up the faders on the delay's FX return pair, or does it matter at all?
In theory either approach would give you the same outcome. If you are sending these effects into your stream and house at different levels then you will want to focus just on the input (bus) side for volume control.
Great tutorial. Just one question: is there any audible difference in the reverb when the send is mono? because the effect comes back stereo, right!? In the case of vocals, I believe there won't be, but in the case of the band, with all pans, the signal will be sent in mono? just one side of the channel???
The short answer is no. All FX are designed to take in a mono signal and then artificially produce a stereo signal (return) according to its' parameters and settings. Your mix will be made up of the individual inputs (and their specific pan) and then the FX returns are added into this mix to add custom effects, delay, space (reverb), etc., but you can always turn these FX off and be left with your original mix.
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Thank you. I’m trying to use the Dual Guitar Amp to beef up a DI connected Bass Guitar on FX5. This works very well, however when I send that signal out my USB card to an iPad, the effects aren’t sent. Is there a different way to route this so I can send the wet signal via USB? Thanks
Yeah, by default the X-USB outputs grab the signal right after the preamp and do not pickup any onboard effects or the channel strip. There is a trick you can do that I call the P-16 truck and it will allow you to change the tap point going out the card outputs. Check out this video here czcams.com/video/6JLZwd0JRi8/video.html
Hi, how do you insert an effect direct into a channel strip from FX1-4 which is
send/return FX?
This video here walks you through using FX 1-4 as insert FX. czcams.com/video/3irTG03tmnM/video.html
For eg. Sending a reverb to a stage monitor) Does sending a signal itself means the signal is affected (wet) from that point, or we always need a return channel for the wet signal to be effected?
For the Send/Return type effects like reverbs and delays you will send the dry signal to a Bus. The Bus sends into the effect and then the effected sound returns back to the console on the set FX return faders. The original signal is still dry and you will add the effected (returned) signal to your mix in the desired amount. I hope that helps.
Hi please can you explain how you can add graphic Eq into a channel strip from FX 1-4
It looks like you found the video I was going to recommend to you based on this comment. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@AllamHouse yes is do, appreciate you man
Great stuff! But am not clear on how you send effect to the aux has L R ?
Check this video out here. I cover sending FX to monitors which will be the same as your AUX Live Stream. czcams.com/video/zwYcNieISF4/video.html
@@AllamHouse Thanks alot , would check it out
can you please help? I connected the rca (red and white) to the echo amplifier input then to the mixer send aux (with stereo 1/4" jack). After that I connected another set of rca (red and white) to the echo amplifier output, then to the mixer return aux. I turned up the aux knob at the channel 1 where the mic is connected, but I did not hear any echo. I double checked the connections and everything was connected properly. Do you have any ideas why I am not getting any echo from the echo amplifier? Thank you
This sounds like you are using the AUX Outs to try and send a signal to some outboard delay FX rack. You have two options to make this work, but both will require a little bit of routing to make work.
1) Insert
You can set the AUX out to be an insert to a specific channel (mono) and then the signal returns to an AUX In (mono or linked stereo)
2) Use a BUS
Pick a BUS and send the desired inputs to the BUS. Route the BUS to go out an AUX Out to the FX rack. Then send the return signals to the AUX In and add to your mix.
Hi Dave, How are you Sir! Hope all is well. How do you set up a channel fader assigned to a particular effect send. For example, let's say that the effect bus send is at unity and selected and "send on fader" button is activated, do you set the channel fader at unity and use the effect but L/R return to control the effect's volume? How do you run it please?
I usually start with the Inuit fader at unity (with all other things as you explained) which will give you a lot of that effect. Then you can turn down the return to the desired amount. If you have more than one input going into the FX rack you can use the input faders to build a mix going into the FX and this will help proper balance between inputs in the effect.
@@AllamHouse Hi Dave, Thank you very much. I did not get the Inuit fader. Was that an error?
Hi, hopefully you can help me. I am trying to decide if there is no problem using my Audio Interface as a FX with Plugins into my Amp's Send & Return FX Loop so i can use VST Time Effects Like Reverb or Delay with my Tube Amp...is it safe to do so? Audio Interface Line Level Input to Amp FX Loop Send, then Audio Interface Output to Amp FX Loop Return and load Reverb or Delay in my DAW in real time.
I would go the route of using the X-USB output on the back of the board, going to a DAW and then sending your FX back to the console. Keep in mind (since you mentioned time-based FX) there will be some latency. Here is a video that discusses this exact setup
czcams.com/video/96dvkMd_tmw/video.html
@@AllamHouse Thanks for your Reply!
I am very interested in the DAW as an FX rack video.
It’s in the works.
Can you do Ableton live with plugins?
I run StudioOne which is what my video will be using. I think I have a free version of Ableton I can try to incorporate, but it might be limited to it's I/O functionality since it's free.
@@AllamHouse thanks Allam
I wanted to follow-up and make sure you saw my most recent video that covers this setup. I was even able to grab steps for making it work in Ableton based on your request. czcams.com/video/96dvkMd_tmw/video.html
please i want to ask if i use matr....... and i choose pre or post what will happen ? what is the differnet bet......... them ?
2. now i have problem i have drum and guitar and the M32 there is no trs or ts input only xlr input so what i can do in this case ?
I will answer your exact same question as it was asked on another video.
So it is wrong to have the send bus send to the stereo bus right?
If you are sending the bus into an FX rack you do NOT want to send that to your mains as well. You are only using the Bus as a way to get multiple inputs sent to the desired FX rack. If you do send the Bis to your house mix it will add more of the dry signal and most likely ruin your house mix.
Where is the effect wet/dry mix control on inserted effects?
Not all of them have that feature unfortunately. Use the page up/down arrows to check for additional features on the different FX
I been blessed by being asked to learn how to use the soundboard at church. However, seems my instructors are limited in knowledge compared to my desire to desire to deep dive; I love to learn (INTJ if know what that means). Did a search and happened on your channel researching how to get solo into the headphones, then found this.
My question then what are these FXes? In other words, what is their application(s) and effects? I searched the channel and found nothing, did I miss it?
Thanks in advance!
PS I have found my Autism to be a blessing to the worship team (I been helping with live stream), one practice heard this awful feedback no one else could hear in the house sound. I been tested professionally and by accident in science class, my hearing range is past average, volume and especially frequency.
Thanks for writing in and I love your positivity toward your opportunity to help your team and add value. The FX (effects) are tools to help embellish or control the sound more than normal. As an example an EQ is a effect and a compressor is an effect. These are cos commonly used that they are added in-line on the channel strip by default. Other items like a reverb or a delay can be used to embellish the sound of one instrument or a group of instruments. If you watch through these videos of my current setup, you will see how I turn on/off my FX and talk through the different sounds I’m hearing. Also, going through my “How to Practice” playlist will walk you through practicing FX at home.
czcams.com/video/E5xyJXaliMg/video.html
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Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you have other questions.
@@AllamHouse Thank you, Sir, 😇🙏🌺
I wish the people running sound at our church would take the time to watch tutorials like this or a course that the church would purchase for the team. We know how to use the X32 about 20%, and our mix is horrible. But I feel like only I hear how bad it is because I've learned a ton about sound and mixing - problem is, in the drummer and the video tech, and the leadership doesn't trust me - mostly because they're scared I'll do something that will mess up what we already have and it will crash and burn and our Sunday service will be toast...
Thanks for the encouraging words. I do try to produce content that will add value to those people that are looking for help. I have my church team do a "listening exercise" where they objectively listen to their mix and others and try to verbalize the differences between the mixes. We don't approach it from a good/bad language, but just differences. Maybe that is a place to start the conversation. I have a video coming out soon where I walk through taking a clients scene and tracks and rework their livestream mix to produce a better product. If you all have multitracks that you record you can also save their current scene, make a new one for yourself and then push the tracks back through the console in an "exploratory, test environment". Worst case scenario, you can always reload the original scene and go back to how it was from the beginning. Let me know if you have other questions. Good luck with the next steps.
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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm happy to hear a better way to explain these options to people that have potentially no concept of the process or use-cases for the various types of FX.
@@AllamHouse Try make it more graphically, mb use actual images of real devices. 3-5 min of video is sufficient. Don't drag cat's balls - as we speak in russia ))