Star Citizen: Why Gamers Love and Hate It
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- In this video, we take an in depth look at the controversial history of the most successful and polarizing Kickstarter campaign of all time, Star Citizen. From gameplay to the experience of playing is this game worthy of the 700+ million dollars of crowd funding money or is it a scam? Lets find out! ↓ Would you like to know more? ↓
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Editor’s note: We decided not to include the drama surrounding an online publication in this video as it was based on unsubstantiated rumors and is a discredited media article with legal action attached. Additionally, we’ve decided not to give any video time to an inconsequential blowhard who was an outspoken critic of the game and has been completely discredited. This channel does not believe the game is a scam, nor do we advocate for buying ships with real money. We encourage you to make your own decisions. Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has. Use that freedom.
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Editor’s note: We decided not to include the drama surrounding a hit piece article from an online publication as it was based on unsubstantiated rumors and was proven false. The publication of the article led to legal action and a retraction. Additionally, we’ve decided not to give any video time to an inconsequential blowhard who was an outspoken critic of the game and has been completely discredited. This channel does not believe the game is a scam, nor do we advocate for buying ships with real money. We encourage you to make your own decisions. Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has. Use that freedom. Make up your own mind.
Hitpiece articles are dime a dozen whenever they reach a funding milestone.
Star Citizen biggest problem is its in public eyes since the beginning. other games get announced and then disappear from the public eyes, till years later a trailer drops announcing a realease in 1 or 2 years. But thats not possible If you depend on crowd funding.
In a way they do that with Squadron 42 as it's the game that doesn't get a lot of press until they are ready to show something.
I pledged with an Aurora about a month before Arena Commander released, you had a hangar with an unmoving ship. I have come from that to what we have today and all I can say about people calling Star Citizen a scam, this is the best scam I have ever played.
How long ago was that?
cig is aiming for the moon with the detail of ships and systems, and game mechanics. I remember when there was only the hangar module, the game has so much in the game even though servers are wonky the game shows alot of promise for the future.
Great job sharing both the good and bad of Star Citizen. Very rare!
Thank you. There are certainly things about SC that can be criticized but trying to do something new and different shouldn't be condemned outright.
this seems more like a video in support of CIG rather than criticizing it, people know when they buy a concept ship they will be waiting
The goal was to present both sides of the argument while attempting to put things into perspective. It is our opinion that Star Citizen is not a scam there's a tangible game to play even now. The people that backed the game prior to 2016 did so based on hope and dreams but since then there's been a version of the PU that can be played and experienced to see how that vision is shaping up. And the funding has only increased as more people buy into that existing experience.
CIG employs over 1000 people and are working on the game with slow but incredible results. The promises related to the timeframe are the controversial parts but for perspective this is a game that is attempting to deliver people exactly what they want without lootboxes or woke narratives. It's sad that we have to point that out but the state of the industry is very anti player right now. Say what you will about CIG but they know exactly what their customers want.
you can criticize the air you breath, complaining about pollution or dust etc, but at the end of day if its not actually as bad as people make it sound, your still going to breath it in and support every breath you take despite the obvious parts u prefer were not included, but ultimately arent bad enough to warrant anything beyond minor complaint.
Buying images of ships are original NTFS :D
Dang, what a great video! Excellent journalism, while adding some comparison perspective to it.
And that voice... Read me a story.
There were a couple parts that could be taken to misleading info, but would require a whole lot more detail to be clear. Can't fit all this projects complexity into a manageable time for attention spans.
The choice to use CryEngine was made, due to CryTek offering three guys in a garage, free access to use the engine. Which at the time was one of the leading game engines. (Who wouldn't take that offer)
CIG's original kick starter sales pitch was to be something like Starfield is today, with co-op as its multiplayer. The MMO came later, and was voted for by the community, at which point it broke into two different projects. SQ42 is the product that is to meet that original pitch.
CIG can be criticized for feature creep, but its what we as the community kept supporting. Which now has SC reaching hopes no other game dev has accomplished, or willing to try.
The irony of the feature creep criticism, is that the community to this day, is constantly requesting new ideas and features, in every comment section about the project.
I purchased my starter pack in 2013, and CIG has never forced me or anyone I know to pay more for the ever expanding scope of the project. Any money I have given has been by my choice.
Meanwhile, Elite dangerous kick starter design pitch was something like SC is trying to become. Yet F Dev still has not been able to meet those promises in the same amount of time. While forcing players to pay more for the expanded promised content. And it now appears ED will never get those promises, even though it has been "released" for a decade.
Everything on the RSI website that is for sale as a cash transaction, is available to earn in game, through adventure in the verse.
I have huge respect for Hello Games and what they did with NMS. And how they chose to fund the project.
By the way, your replies in this comment section are above par. Concise and respectful.
If you go back and watch the initial pitch on IGN he talks about the MMO and S42 from day 1.
@@AstroAdventurerSC Thanks, I'll have to dig that up. I may have read it already, many years ago.
I have read the kick starter pitch several times, and there is no mention of an MMO. A PU where your friends can join you, so more like co-op.
Obviously the design and scope has changed multiple times.
Remember when private mod-able servers was gonna be a thing?
I can't imagine the mountain of info on the net that surrounds this project.
Edit: I found and read the article (I did read that many years ago). It was one of the things I used to determine whether to pledge or not in early 2013.
Though it does not use the term MMO specifically, it does hint at that type of environment, and two separate experiences. Got me rethinking my perceived info now.
This was an interesting line... "Roberts isn’t using Kickstarter, but he is going to let interested parties support the game through early purchase packages that include a number of to-be-determined benefits".
Which seems to show that the project went through idea changes right away.
Star citizen is not a scam in my personal opinion, it's a massive project underway , I play daily, you can buy a simple starter account for $50 and never drop another penny , you can purchase more if you want , we the players believe in the project. Thank you for this unbiased review.
Ps. how is your free fly through the world done ? . Thanks Subbed
This particular video sequence was released at Citizencon 2023 showing off all the capabilities of the game engine they've rebranded to StarEngine. I thought it was appropriate since it shows all of the major progress that was made. I became a backer in 2016 and nearly everything seen in this video was 'impossible, a pipe dream' according to the critics at that time. And yet, today it exists. Pretty damn impressive.
@@AstroAdventurerSC Thanks !
I invested to get them to 2 million on kickstarter, +10 years later and 700 million, I logged on again this week and the game was unplayable, I switched server, same, 10 years and can't even get the game to play its the same every patch, and all you hear is "THIS IS AN ALPHA" what pisses me off is this could be an awesome game if they ever finish it. Feels like they are milking it for a life long career, why finish the game when you are raking it in?
I've been able to play 3.23 without issue. 3.24 is in wave 1 of the PTU so resources are directed there, I doubt they are running many live servers right now as a result.
The biggest issue I've had with Star Citizen is the predatory nature of its perpetual cycle of being constantly in never ending production... Watching a company milk people of their money with hype and never-ending promises... This particular developer is a prime example of corruption, but just not going about it in the same way as other companies... The others nickle and dime you to death with microtransactions... This company uses psychological ploys and grandstanding to scam you out of spending entire paychecks, running up credit cards, taking out loans, or even dipping into retirement funds, just to fund never ending development... What's worse, is when the cult this company has cultivated sees these kinds of criticisms, they lose their minds, while coming up with as many excuses as they can to defend what is happening...
If Star Citizens is so godlike and the end be all of high-quality sci-fi gaming, then tell us how many major game of the year awards it has won, and how long ago was it, that it ever did? Why are more game developers not going this same route when developing their games if it's such a superior business model? Why isn't every player on the planet ranting and raving about this game every waking day? Why are so many other games far more popular than Star Citizen, even when they are old games? That is the problem with promising the world, and constantly pushing new goals for a game that has never finished itself... It's just a corporation who is making money, becoming rich, on the back of hype and peoples good will, promising more and more until it either gets in trouble, or just goes poof one day...
An entire generation will be born and make it to adulthood by the time this game finishes completely, if ever... And you can't compare that to other games that are still around, just being maintained... Because at least those games were finished products...
You have to stop with the psychological ploys aspect. It just doesn't work as a excuse for a person's behavior. I feel no more sympathy for someone that spends their money on their hobbies than drugs, alcohol, casinos, or digital space ships. I mean go spend some money on my cosplay store if you truly are unable to control your spending. Adults get to make adult decisions even if I don't agree with them. This channel doesn't advocate for buying digital ships but people are going to do whatever they want - AND that's ok.
They are making approximately zero profit. They have been operating in the red just up until the last two years. What they've accrued in ten years is nearly twice what FIFA Makes in one year. So the idea of people talking about "milking" the development really have no clue how revenue streams work and how CIG is on the very low end of said revenue.
This sounds like something that was made with the best intentions but quickly transformed into something too big for the devs to handle.
On the note of the roadmap, that has always been my biggest issue with the development of the game. The roadmap basically means nothing, because they drastically change it month to month. Today the roadmap may say that they are working on the exploration game loop, and that it is going to be released in 3 months. Then a week from now the roadmap will be updated, and exploration will be removed from it entirely, only to be added back to the roadmap half a year from now.
They just add and remove things on a whim as they move their teams around from project to project, releasing half baked versions of gameplay loops like salvaging. They do this because every time the 'new' roadmap comes out, the diehard super fans like Olli will make a video on 'THE NEW THINGS ON THE ROADMAP' and be all excited for it, and they of course, won't mention any of the things that were removed from the roadmap, and they certainly won't say anything a month from now when all the new things on the roadmap they just made a video about are removed from it entirely.
The roadmap is a glimpse into how a game studio works, something you don't get from any other company. And for good reason, they know that you can't handle change without freaking out. It's really common for AAA studios to miss their own release dates and push it back these days I think nearly every game anymore seems to do it and when you view the roadmap from that perspective it's easy to see why. You can criticize CIG of course and please do if that's your thing but at least have the full picture in mind.
@@AstroAdventurerSC You know I have seen a lot of your responses to comments. Here's the thing...
I support the game. I as a supporter have an opinion. Yet despite the fact that I support this game, you are just giving a nasty response. Being like 'they know you can't handle change'. Like legitimately what is your problem? Even the people who support the game you are entirely biased toward, you still attack them lol.
@@bellidrael7457 You informal plural. But please be easily offended. I love the comments on the channel.
@bellidrael7457 Also, I've put up with a lot of things in the comments that you don't see because they were banned. I don't mind people hating on star citizen, in fact those hate views are valuable. I do have a problem with intentionally slandering the game and implying that the video isn't factual when a significant amount of time was spent making it as up to date as possible. And yes, after a week of seeing what I can only describe as the healthiest of trolls I am no longer nice. If I'm replying to you and you weren't shadowbanned that means that I'm not offended by your opinion but I will correct the facts.
Ok but where is server meshing, all the promises for the year, squadron 42, the backlog, the SANDWORM, and oooohhhh sooo much more?
It’s a scam until they deliver. Yet I gave them some money and I pathetically hope the game develops wtf…
Lots of buzz words there. A for effort.
@@AstroAdventurerSC thanks. Quick like and response. Just stating how I feel. I’ve gotten fun out of the “game” but I’ve gotten much more frustration at their development blundering.
That all aside great video
@@Vioblight I get it. Things could always be more efficient but if it was easy or there was a concrete path on how to make a game like this they wouldn't be the only ones doing. Look at No Man's Sky, only after 6 years post launch does it finally have all of the features they promised even with Sony money backing it. I'll always understand getting upset it's taking so long but I think it's important to understand the why as well.
@@AstroAdventurerSC fair points and reasonably said. I’m more chill when I don’t keep up with this game and check in occasionally during patches. Which is what I’m going to go do haha.
So... server meshing... it 'kinda' is in, but in an oddball state. At the moment, it's running the replication layer with just one server per shard... which means there's two servers for one server, whereas before it was just the one server.
That said, the promises of the current version alone had issues that are still felt even right now (Seriously, the fact the systems just weren't ready but got pushed out in a half finished state for an event is pretty... bad), but I'm hard pressed to call it a scam. Usually with a scam, you have to be promised something in a released product and then find it just isn't there. What exists now is just an alpha... that has gone on for a very long while.
Scam or otherwise, it's fixing what Elite Dangerous's Oddyseey blunder from years ago failed to address, and I'm just along for the ride. A weird, bug filled but somehow still interesting ride. WIth other people to experience it with. Where we do dumb space things because we can. Weird admission price, and equally weirder returns.
...I mean, at least it's not KSP2...
...Can we name one of the stormwhals Jeb?
This might not be AI garbage but if it isn't you should do something to separate yourselves from AI garbage.
A very much needed video. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
never been here before, assumed it was the ladies, heard the endcard and no i dont know.. anyways loved her
We have multiple voice talents that narrate the videos. Check out some of our other videos, we alternate between them.
i wonder how cig will handle the diffrent regions and the ping that comes with it.
I'd imagine there will probably be 3 regions but we'll see.
CIG mentioned multiple regional shards a while ago. The US likely to be divided into 3, EU 2-3, AUS 2, and Asia 1 (or something like that).
Nothing will prevent any player from playing on any shard. But if one does, than the player should understand about lag/ping. Since most gamers seem to know it all, that shouldn't be a complaint.
CIG would like us all to be in one world connected verse, but cannot change the laws of nature, and how fast light travels.
from old school info i remember the intention to have multiple regions, Chris wanted to make sure most the players had access to decent ping and even places like AU that are often left out of MMO's servers are included, hence we have AU servers = a very good sign, lack of AU servers = typically indicates bad management and scummy business models in play.
well put, great video.
Thank you kindly!
c'est un scam non pas sur le fait qu'il ne sortira jamais mais sur le fait qu'il va mourir avant d'avoir vécu parce que c'est trop anarchique... personne n'aime le pvp sauvage surtout dans un univers ou chaque chose prend du temps, alors sortir dans l'espace et se faire détruire en boucle par des orga de pirates, parce que ça sera que ça !! des team vont s'accaparait le jeux et contrôler tout les systèmes, déjà que c'est un jeux de niche mais en plus ils vont perdre des joueurs qui ne veulent pas de cette aspect pvp et star citizen n'a pas les moyen d'être un jeu de niche car les serveurs il faut les entretenir avec de l'argent et l'offre de star citizen n'a jamais été d'être un jeu service, donc comment vont-ils faire ?
I hope you are wrong. But I fear you may be right, to some extent... Hopefully they realize this issue and rectify it. I'm sure they will, but not initially.
It will be a large universe, there will be peaceful areas.
20 years ago the narrative of "Eve online is dead" started. Today, 20 years later the game is still running, being updated, and millions of players enjoy it.
Le système PvP est le seul de tes arguments ? le PvP existe depuis la nuits des temps
Pour un commentaire salé c'est trop peu de sel :/
Peu mieux faire/20
@@josemartins-game Eve has high-sec though, and is big enough that you can be perfectly fine even in some null-sec areas. SC has had none of those things for 10 years so there’s little solid foundation to start with. Eve is wide and deep enough to have a little something for everyone, though the time investment can still be consequent
Nice.
In this time X4 foundations got fully made and they still didnt finish the game. On a way lower budget mind you.
Its totaly a scam by now.
X4 is a great single player game. It's much, much less complex than Star Citizen and not trying to achieve the same goals. I recommend it if you want to get a solo gaming experience.
@@AstroAdventurerSC Well it does have something mulitplayer like -- sending your ships to other player spaces. (only if they enable it)
But thats abauth it.
Similar to dark soul system, where players send their avatar to help player. Or some farm game, where other players send a visitor.
its ok but can never get persistent universe to work or load i have tried everything
You should contact support.
Its a problem on your end.
Listing your PC specs, and internet connection, is place to start, and we may be able to help.
This game is a HOAX they will never finish it XD
Easy. Its probably the biggest game ever made.
We call this an alpha
Biggest pre-pre-alpha ever made*
Just play gta 6.
I have not played it for about 2 or 3 years, yest put in 5,000 odd grand wil be blowing quite few k more in 18 odd months,
Scam , You need to look up what a scam actually entails, then you want change your tune and do video on the scam that is microsoft windows.
If you watched the video our position is it's not a scam but we wanted to show both sides of the issue.
Squadron 42 is almost ready for release?? Yeah right! Without npc they can't release Squadron 42. And believe me, cig has no proper npc. Squadron 42 is just starting development.
I think you seriously underestimate how single player games work but whatever. If you ever played the persistent universe on a high frame count server you'd know how deadly the AI can be. You're talking like an authority on something you don't understand.
@@AstroAdventurerSC Feature complete phase comes toward the end of alpha. So we are not even in beta yet. And beta can easily take another two years.
@@SETHthegodofchaos you're confusing two different games Seth. You hate to see it, intentionally ignorant or unintentionally uninformed. Which is it?