Soke Inoue Yoshimi - Kime is like a car crash - Seminar Italy 2013

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  • Soke Inoue Yoshimi, Rika Usami's legendary master, explains how to improve "kime" (sudden fixation of a technique) when performing a tsuki (punch). When executing a tsuki, the arm should be let go, i.e. the antagonist muscles should not be contracted to stop the punch and fixate the technique. Instead, these muscles should be relaxed and the kime should be generated by the sudden stop of the body rotation, and particularly of the hips. Soke Inoue makes the example of a car hitting an obstacle at high speed: the car (i.e. the body) is suddenly stopped, while the driver (i.e. the punching arm) is projected forward due to its momentum.
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    I recorded this video during Soke Inoue's seminar held in Caorle (Venice, Italy) on 18-20 October 2013. The seminar was organized by Sensei Francesco Favaron, founder of Inoue-Ha Shito-Ryu Italy:
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    Thanks to Sara Vacca for the simultaneous interpretation in Italian.
    © 2013 Virtual Sensei

Komentáře • 43

  • @opiskelu6097
    @opiskelu6097 Před 4 lety +48

    When he is showing "bad" techniques, they are still better than 80% of teachers. When he shows full speed, I cant see the movement, only change of position in an eye blink. He is fast, sharp, accurate and strong, but still relaxed when needed. Never have seen so good teacher anywhere.

  • @marcosibuki7464
    @marcosibuki7464 Před 4 lety +16

    He was amazing, the only one who translates the “how to” in understandable words

  • @GwennDana
    @GwennDana Před 2 lety +4

    If I try to sum this approach up, then, literally drawing from some approach at piano playing technique (just thinking out loud, maybe it is helpful for somebody) :)
    - The impulse that throws your limb in the right direction comes from a rotation from the core, while it is perfectly loose.
    - Kime is not an active but a reflexive movement, that kicks in when your limb reaches its final end position and starts to tug on your center. That excentric movement of the muscles is a lot stronger and faster than any concentric movement could be.
    - It is not necessary to "drive" the arm forward with the force of muscles, the rotational impulse is quicker, when you manage to stabilize the torque from center to fist.
    - Muscle force is only used reflexively to stabilize the arm in the end position, when it hits the target, so that the speed that purely comes from the torque can have impact (to stabilize the arm maximally in the end position).
    - Inoue emphasizes the forward position of the shoulders (O-shaped feeling in the arm/shoulder girdle), not tucking the shoulder back in the European "uprigth and stick your breast out" position, as this is a prerequisite for transmitting the maximum energy of the rotating core into the arm.
    - As the rotation starts in the center, you don't need to put in all the hip in a punch (the hip is below the center), as Shotokan wants us to do, but the chain from center via shoulder into the arm is enough. Then you also don't fall over when the reflex kicks in. A rotation of all the body would produce a tight whole-body reflex whose balance can easily be broken by an opponent. If anything, a slight hip shake may set the impulse in motion but is minimal .
    - Against a Makiwara or opponent the muscular hardening reflex would also be triggered by the impacting hand resisting the impact. (the fist hits the target relaxed, and then reflexively tightens up). The speed of the tightening up transmits the impulse to the target, the faster, the tightening, the stronger the impulse. The tightening brings the fist an inch through the target when tightening up into a defined end position. So all really happens on that final inch.
    - Likewise, a stance is dropping your body and reflexively resisting gravity. One just has to think it all "the other way round", using torque and gravity plus counteracting muscular reflexes.
    - A step forward from a higher position means letting your body drop, redirecting the dropping energy in the forward direction by reflexively tightening the leg below you, and then reflexively stopping the motion when your forward foot reaches the floor in the final position.
    The only thing you hardly ever do is intentionally using/tightening a particular muscle to achive some motion. Rotation and reflexive motions are quicker and stronger.

    • @amongrimmie4779
      @amongrimmie4779 Před rokem

      Genial. Essa teoria é sua? Onde podemos ler mais sobre isso?

  • @brycekeeney4995
    @brycekeeney4995 Před 4 lety +19

    Anyone who practices karate has to appreciate how amazing this man was. Osu!

  • @marcosibuki7464
    @marcosibuki7464 Před 4 lety +8

    Alessandro, thanks for sharing these moments of true enlightment. Really, I’ve never seen someone translating the secrets of movement like that

    • @AlessandroTimmi
      @AlessandroTimmi  Před 4 lety +4

      My pleasure Marcos, I agree and I'm glad you enjoy his videos. Stay tuned for more.

  • @vonclap
    @vonclap Před 3 lety +4

    Great explanation of 'driving through'

  • @akshaygogoi312
    @akshaygogoi312 Před 4 lety +4

    I am blown away .. brilliant

  • @samuelkairu1504
    @samuelkairu1504 Před 3 lety +3

    Amazing and the learning process continues...

  • @nikfeo
    @nikfeo Před 4 lety +4

    Великий мастер! Большое спасибо!

  • @senseiratheesh1324
    @senseiratheesh1324 Před 3 lety +2

    Great Master

  • @clFer777
    @clFer777 Před 3 lety +3

    Hearing Sensei I just got all of those year of reps are not for physical technique (only) but just to see by your self, by your own body (eyes) and reach understanding.
    That's beautiful.
    (Yeah I know the original purpose is to kick some attacker's ass to survive.. But, come on, it's also an Art)

  • @rafaelzuniga4078
    @rafaelzuniga4078 Před 3 lety +2

    great master

  • @mauricelucassarr2469
    @mauricelucassarr2469 Před 3 lety +3

    Unbelievable!!

  • @Ngutovi
    @Ngutovi Před 3 lety +2

    So fast....and so well balanced.

  • @mauricefaulkner455
    @mauricefaulkner455 Před rokem

    Wow watch and learn, if you can see the techniques lol awesome speed and power to achieve this standard, your training must become a way of life

  • @phantomspiritxx
    @phantomspiritxx Před 2 lety +1

    Japanese mastery…unrivalled..

  • @matinbayat4139
    @matinbayat4139 Před měsícem

    Guys I need help I can't understand what is he talking about but only bu watching his technique I can say he is great!

  • @giovannirallo2793
    @giovannirallo2793 Před 4 lety +2

    La spiegazione non fa una grinza, ma appartiene piú alla sfera del Chinkuchi che del Kimé giapponese. C'é molta "Okinawa" nel suo Karate. Io personalmente lo apprezzo tanto. Oss!!

  • @DB-yi5sm
    @DB-yi5sm Před 3 lety +1

    井上先生すごい

  • @alieladawy8558
    @alieladawy8558 Před 4 lety

    Good 💪🥋❤️👌

  • @jrcortez18
    @jrcortez18 Před 2 lety +1

    El se basa en su velocidad más que otra cosa pero en la vida real un golpe efectivo no se basa principalmente en la velocidad ,hay varios factores que intervienen ...la vida real es distinta y te obliga a que tu teoría se vea constantemente puesta a prueba .

    • @amongrimmie4779
      @amongrimmie4779 Před rokem

      Não é sobre velocidade. Acima tem um comentário longo e muito interessante sobre a técnica. Procure saber.

  • @MrCalicha
    @MrCalicha Před 4 lety +2

    Sí tiene Kime... Bueno...

  • @anizaranizar73
    @anizaranizar73 Před 4 lety +1

    OSU.

  • @carloslozano7503
    @carloslozano7503 Před 3 lety +1

    Like those techniques are going to work in a real fight, that technique only works with a punching bag or someone that stays still, some people actually believe this crap actually works

    • @DB-yi5sm
      @DB-yi5sm Před 3 lety

      あなたは何も知らない

    • @augusttwosix8477
      @augusttwosix8477 Před 3 lety +2

      These are the basic fundamentals of how to control our energy flow in our body, if you are master of it at any higher level, it will obviously work. It depends on you or the person.

    • @amongrimmie4779
      @amongrimmie4779 Před rokem

      Não dê voz aos idiotas.

  • @jrcortez18
    @jrcortez18 Před 2 lety +1

    Que pésima explicación , el ridiculiza el que el brazo siga adelante en su flujo normal de movimiento , esto contradice un principio básico del karate de okinawa como por ejemplo el chinkuchi . En china tenemos el fajin y este tipo de conceptos no son ajenos al karate de okinawa ( cuna del karate ) . Es muy evidente que la formación y visión de los maestros del karate japones es muy pobre , demasiado dogmática , plástica y poco aplicable para la vida real .

    • @moogaga6439
      @moogaga6439 Před rokem +2

      El brazo no se detiene porque para eso está el Kime. Kime no es un movimiento activo sino reflexivo, que se activa cuando tu extremidad (brazo en este caso) alcanza su posición final y comienza a tirar de su centro. Ese movimiento excéntrico de los músculos es mucho más fuerte y rápido de lo que podría ser cualquier movimiento concéntrico, por eso "ridiculiza" el movimiento del brazo. Por otro lado, Chinkuchi en vez de ser contracción o esfuerzo muscular, es todo lo contrario, se refiere a relajación y expansión.
      En resumen, son dos cosas totalmente diferentes.
      PD: Pésima explicación?. A veces es mejor callar y no decir nada.

    • @jrcortez18
      @jrcortez18 Před rokem +1

      @@moogaga6439 Se lo que es kime , lo he hecho por 15 años , soy quinto Dan en Kyokushin , 2 dan en Shito ryu , faja negra en kung fu wing chun , faja negra en kung fu estilo Sil lum ( dragón ) . Me aburre tener que aclarar asuntos con personas que ni siquiera me conocen . Si ud cree que sabe de lo que habla y cree que no se la diferencia entre kime y chinkuchi . Bien por ud . Siga adelante con sus grandiosos conceptos de kime .

    • @moogaga6439
      @moogaga6439 Před rokem +1

      @@jrcortez18 Te felicito por tus logros y cree lo que quieras, solo digo que hay formas de decir las cosas, con respeto.

    • @jrcortez18
      @jrcortez18 Před rokem

      @@moogaga6439 Lo mismo digo de ti y como te refieres de lo que yo digo ¿ osea que cuando yo hago una crítica a tu maestro intocable esta mal pero cuando tu me críticas a mi eso esta bien ? Amigo analizate. Todos podemos críticar. A mi me importa 2 pepinos tu crítica pero si tu crítica por lo menos tuviera base me callo , pero se nota a claras luces que solo quieres defender a tu super maestro . Yo no tengo dioses amigo . Deberías planteartelo. Si esta mal tal o cual persona se dice y listo .

    • @moogaga6439
      @moogaga6439 Před rokem

      @@jrcortez18 Pero si te estoy hablando bien! y nunca critiqué lo que dijiste, de hecho, no está mal. Solo digo que son dos cosas diferentes. El Chinkuchi y Kime son dos conceptos diferentes. Criticas las maneras de Yoshime de explicar el Kime justificandote con los métodos del Chinkuchi okinawense, el Sensei está explicando cómo lograr Kime no Chinkuchi.