Is Moskva Worth Getting In 2024?
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it seems like the gist of the problem is that Moskva is decently well balanced and Petro isn't. Moskva trades utility and DPM for size, lack of conceal and broadside vulnerability, whereas Petro gives up very little. Who needs balance when you can have Petro?
@@Caleb-zu1pk 50% of the time
@@Caleb-zu1pk Mosk gets Dev struck 99% of the time with even a little side showing....
Recent nerfs to Petro have allowed it to be killable... sometimes.
The base un-nerfed petro I would agree with but it feels more killable nowadays.
Just had a game a few hours ago, 27 citadels, two brothers, middle alone ! This ship is still good !
Though tbh with the sub homing it'd Insanely hard to dodge stuff + big citadel
I love the moskva, but imo you really need the legendary upgrade to make it work.
Petro is often banned/limited in competitive. Moskva still has its place.
Moskva is even better in CW. Out HE dpms Petro in that boring ass meta.
Moskva has tremendous utility in Clan Battles. It has better DPM than the Petro and has a better Legmod. Moskva can fire at 20+ KM accurately. Petro has better AP, but Moskva has much better HE and better DPM. Moskva has the 30 second 12km radar. Moskva is still in the Clan Battles meta.
Our clan ran a Petro and Moskva most of the clan season.
I just always play moskva with range mod and set myself up on the flank. You take a small hit to your dpm over leg mod, but it's hard to root out a moskva that's 22km away with either full island cover or plenty of open water to maneuver in. The shell velocity is great for that kind of playstyle where the enemy team either has to deal with you or give you a near 300k game from how much you just pester them with constant fires and punish broadsides with AP. Moskva can still cit some heavy cruisers from near max range, so it's just a nightmare to deal with when you're launching support salvos from the other end of the map.
leg mod moskva
Leg mod moskva sounds like high dpm low alpha dmg azuma tbh
@@mertc8050 that’s almost exactly it, except Moskva has the armor and slenderness to bow tank if you need to get up close
@@davidpotts7116 yep, a nightmare to deal with in ranked. Prefer to have a petro on the enemy team any day of the week instead of a Moskva. The almost total lack of CV in ranked (they are banned this season) means you are back to pure surface ships most of the time.
I play shima almost exclusively and it’s pretty easy to charge a petro, get though his only radar salvo and torp him. Won’t even think of doing that to a Moskva.
@@deaninchina01 in clan battles I’m usually the first to get shunted into a Moskva since that was the first coal ship I bought lol. It’s still incredibly strong even in today’s meta. Gets shredded by HE but then you just stay bow in and half their salvos just miss you from how skinny the ship is.
Last month I got the Moskva and I hope to learn how to use it better from this video because most games I get absolutely destroyed or just have no impact on the battle
same to me
Hmm clearly looks like skill issue moskva is played bow in under fire
I have a special place in my heart for the Moskva. It was my very first Tier X, many years ago. I remember I got it for clan battles with my first clan. True the Petro is a better overall ship and it´s easier to play for less experienced players. Experienced players can still make the Moskva work I feel. I agree that it´s a good pick up in case you already have a bunch of coal ships or if you need a good captain trainer. That is something you can´t do in the Petro. Plus the HE on the Moskva is better that on the Petro.
One of the most psycho builds I did was full lighthouse Moskva with rangemod. Just chillin in the back with a reload buff was quite fun.
Moskva definitely seems like it thrives in clan battles/ranked where it can put its strong radar to use and reduce the number of angles it needs to worry about. That being said, seeing 3 of these things stare you down as a DD player in a clan battle is not a good time.
And Pretropavlovsk has that 360 back turret as well, I'm with you PQ. Thank you, I'll save my Coal for something else first then we get it.
Moskva used to be a tech tree tier 10, succeeding Dmitry donskoi before cruiser line split to Nevsky and Petro....still loving that ship as I helm her like classic BB gameplay. Had her way before the split happened.
i just got moskva today... then, i get the notification from youtube regarding this video. but it's ok, i mainly got it because i had the Aurora perma camo waiting for it :) and i don't do much pvp anyway. so far i love it in asym.
Graf Spee? Insane AP dmg with new CMD skills that allow you to bring the dispersion under control
The Moskva is basically a giant anti-materiel rifle. It can snipe targets with extremely reliable precision, can relocate quickly, but is *very* fragile (like a sniper) if anything catches your broadsides and can be spotted from the moon if you start shooting. She is extremely difficult to master compared to the brainless way to play Petro (at least pre-nerf, where you just bow in to everything) but if you can get her to work, she can pull off some amazing games.
What is this mod for showing what is the position on the mark enemy ship❤
I've almost got Petro ! cant wait. I got the Napoli for my last coal ship and I love it ! If Moskva got one buff i think it could use a better concealment buff and possible the Cit a little lower in the water.
Moskva can do most things exceptionally well. Best radar cruiser in the game.
It plays nothing like a Petro though. Petro loves medium range brawl in AP.
Moskva can use both and with UU has exceptional accuracy. It can kite,hold a flank, murder DDs, punish cruisers ...
I think it's not too similar to Petro even if it was replaced by it.
Moskva is imo one of the best ships that scale with your skill in terms of battle impact.
But if you try to play it like Petro it will fail. Because it's not it
Exactly, I 100% agree with you, I feel there is an art to playing this ship well, and can offer more than just the nose in play style. This is one of many “older” ships that could use some love, but not much. Still very much competitive and fun to play.
I love my Moskva.
Well said!
Gl having battle impact when almost any bb that looks at you dev strikes you… moskva’s are great, because every time I see them I know I’m getting some free damage.
I grinded this ship in the tech tree back in the day. Only reason I have it
If you take part in that soviet cruiser bow in HE spam that is Clan Wars then yes.
What do you think is the best overall/most versatile cruiser in the game?
Power crept and depowerd . This ship back in the day had rail guns and higher DPM .
Moskva is my "hold entire flank solo" ship, reverse and kite 18km+ combat. Best ship to do that in Random battles imo
You'd be daft to purchase this. I have her as she was the tech line ship before she was made a resource ship. Just the same as GK and Khebab.
I got the moskva about 4months ago, i really cant find a way to play it, it feels like i am driving without any armour, the napoli is my fav coal ship so far
Are you going to do a Druid video possibly?
Requesting a Forrest Sherman vid please 😊
Not denying my preference for Petro, but I'm taking issue with the UU equipped with Moskva, especially compared to Yoshi. IMO Long radar, faster reload rate, thicker deck armor and better fire chance make this a really solid choice. In comp, it's better that Yoshi or Stalin.
this has been my favorite ship forever
Im having much fun playing this boat
Any thoughts on Yuro calling you out in his latest video?
Sealord features this ship today as well and can’t say enough good about it and tells you to get it multiple times. PQ says it sucks and get a Petro instead lol.
Also note PQ using a tonne of HE whereas the video Sealord featured showed the use of the AP. Moskva is a beast with AP.
If you’re playing Moskva with primarily ap, why not just place Stalingrad? It’s the same but better in almost every way…
@@matsab7930 Coal is easier to get than steel. Also 30 vs 60 second fires
More people will be able to acquire Moskva; tho it will serve as a good way to _get_ your Stalingrad and train for it at the same time
@@matsab7930 Because Moskva is infinitely easier to get than a Stalingrad? Hell most of us have Moskva since it was a techline ship.
@@matsab7930 I'd have said if you want to go AP primarily then play Petro. Moskva is more of a HE support than AP slammer from my own experience
@@p_nilly true. I think Stalingrad feels more similar to moskva to play than does petro, but indeed petro does the full ap thing way better than Moskva, and is better than it in every other way too.
Can you please do Petro or any of the better tier 10 heavy cruisers next
They aren’t coal ships.
i had this boat before they took it out of the tech tree. I play it as a tier 10 prem ship and it does ok. I agree it is power crept but i can still bow tank most things. Not nearly as good as the petro but getting it for free as a F2P player it does ok. THis used to be a great boat back in its day.
Moskva has a great anti DD radar; 4 salvos with 12km range. She has good range and good arcs. Play her like Bourgogne; flanking ship and DD hunter in the last part of game. See results.
I spent coal on the Azuma - which by the way how you spell regret.
Moskva is great, but difficult to use.
Its has several downsides, and they just happen to fit each other in one nasty combo - huge citadel, shit concealment, GARGANTUAN turning radius and radar. First three wouldnt be a problem if Moskva kept distance and played kiting at a distance, but presence of radar dictates her to be up close to objective, which just makes it a hit or miss, depending on your teammates. You can have a great game where you delete their dd at cap, tank some damage and push on with your team. Or you die in flames while being focused, as your teammates bail the f out of flank, and you cant because your are too big and clumsy to do so without getting deleted.
Very obvious advantages and disadvantages, a well balanced ship, imo.
Cant count how many times I have radared caps in radar ships and uncovered DDs and NO one shoots at them except me than I get focused by anything that can see me and CVs. Team is oblivious to the uncovered DD and runs away.
Funny because Moskva is probably my most play cruiser behind the Alaska. I have the petro, stalin, and Moskva and for my play style it absolutely works the best. I find that if you play it more like a DD/cruiser hunter you will be more successful. It’s area denial is decent but you simply don’t have the armor scheme like the others. The 50mm nose tho will save your ass in a bad situation 😂
Ship request:Neustrashimy pleaseon paper it looks good but i never see anyone play it and i want to know why
When you have to ban or limit a ship from competitive, isn’t that a sign to the devs that they need to make some balancing changes?
Next is Salem 😀😀
Bet that AP Hindy in the first match only did 3k damage, if that. LOL
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Moskva thrives in small competitive scenarios (like clan battles, ofc) but it's really great in T10 ranked as well, for the same reasons it's good in cbs. it's annoying to get out if it's stuck in a good spot or kiting, the guns are hilariously good, and the radar is the best soviet radar at t10. as much as 'petro is better' moskva still has it's place in the game.
Moskva is not that bad, it’s a tank. Find an island to protect your citadel and you can eat a lot of damage in the bow. Impossible to citadel in the bow( not for Yamy and Shiki).Later in the game when there is no chance to get hit broadside, you can bow in on BBs and laugh at them. By the time they realise they can’t kill you is too late, with 10 sec reload you kill them. Difficult to get in a good position early in the game, they can see you from the moon, but once you get there you are fine. Park between 2 caps and help your DDs with loooong radar. Later in the game you can be very aggressive. Very easy te get a Dreadnought, too bad there is no reward for achievements anymore. My Salem with its super heal feels like a cheap toy compared to my Moskva. I like it and I will keep playing it.
Nevsky or Petro?
You see way more Moskvas in ranked than Petros on SEA server. The longer radar makes it way more valuable.
As a DD player you know in ranked that a petro will get at most 2 salvos, and very often only 1, and be pretty inaccurate. A Moskva will get maybe 4 very accurate salvos at you.
Just curious, why is Moskva compared to Petro instead of the Nevsky? Seems like that ship is the actual intended replacement, i.e. next ship in line after Donskoi.
wow. Moskwa is by far the best ship of the 3 and definitly worth it.
Petro is an AP focused tank while Moskva is an HE focused cap denial ship (with good AP still, mind you). No point comparing such different playstyles. As a DD, I couldn't care less about Petro, meanwhile Moskva must be respected.
can we have Hector??
I don't see the comparison with Petro at all, at least not with leg mod Moskva. Moskva wants to play at range, she has the AP to make that work (although no improved pen angles) and great HE. Petro sucks at ranges over 12km or so, unless you also take leg mod, which takes away a heal and more, and you still have horrible vertical dispersion at range. Moskva is an insane sniper, very accurate and superfast shells, and can do damage to broadside BB's at range with her AP. So to me, they don't compare well. I do love Petro as well, they're just very different ships.
PS: Moskva has good armor, just don't expose her side. She now has a stronger deck than Petro...
well said. Pretty much exactly what i wanted to write but wanted to take a look if someone said it. Comparing moskva to petro is like comparing Conq with St. Vincent
Moskva has better dpm & over double of radar duration, you trade side-armor tankyness for that.
St Vincent secondary
It’s fun to play, but you need to be smart with it. Granted you can say that about most ships.
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why cant WG just balance ships correctly? every patch just make adjustments if needed and stop taking ships away like Smolensk and Thunderer, just balance them properly
For once I simply can not agree with you PQ. Moskva is still a great ship and has been very prominent in Clan Battles due to Petro being often restricted.
She's also a very good kiting ship.
Some Y-Tuber once said that once you get Staliniumgrad for steel, you never play Moskva again.
I thought Petro had really bad HE?
This ship should get a buff to its detectability. The best detect of 14.1 sucks ass.
My biggest critique of your Moskva gameplay is that you use way to little AP imo. Yes she doesn´t have the insane Petro angles and pen and I use that preferable over the HE. Also comparing her to Petro is unfair. Moskva is a balanced ship with a very tactical game plan. Petro is just unbalanced in a unfun way.
Otherwise I like that you look at each coal ship atm oine by one and then do a ranking for it.
It gives a more nuanced look at this ship type.
Moskva used to be the accurate Russian Tier X cruiser and used to be ground out for free. Petro's armour is OP and always has been and with the legendary module it's accuracy is comparable. Moskva still a good ship.
Why play Moskva if you've Petro ? They do approximately the same thing, excepted petro is stronger than Moskva. Generally moskva main drawback it's his poor armor. If you're broadside you're dead, but even angled, against long range BB you'll take citadel from the deck really easily. I actually enjoy play against Moskva as heavy cruiser or BB, i generally two shot them. It's only big advantage is the radar.
I will never play a Russian ship!! German however.. its been enough time right?
No point in heavy cruisers when overmatch is a thing.
Moskva is extremly gorgeous at least.
Legendary mod Moskva definitely still has a place in both randoms and competitive.
Not as good as this_______ but still worthy of competitive play, hmmm, sounds like a solid choice compared to many coal ships. Also if you like that playstyle of cruiser it can be nice to have a premium of that type for farming.
Moskva 100% worth getting its so different from petro and so good all round just sit bow in and ur fine
The guns are much more accurate - big difference. I much prefer Moskva. They have very different playstyles.
Just going to say, if it's a coal ship and you can afford it, go for it. Most of the coal ships are pretty good, but of course there are always going to be ships that are lacking.
No Carrier No Cry.
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I get Moskva for free when was not coal ship 😂 🎉
Day 2 asking for de grease he only
for the average joe playing wows that doesnt play Clan wars dont get a Moskva. Just get a Petro
day 5 of asking PQ to play San Diego in Ranked
moskva is fantastic ... if you cant make it work -> skill issue ... comparing it to petro makes no sense when moskva shares the tasks with nevsky
Saw the title of the vid, & I thought to myself: "But I have the Petro..."
Watches video
That said, it's actually more an indictment on how unbalanced Petro is & the state of WoW 2024. There is a reason why Petro is banned in competitive
the most thing i hate on this ship is meeting the high calibers, always get citadel from the bowl
Is this even a question?
Day 14 of asking PQ to play on Helena
im a player, that prefers to play a worse ship, as it's challenge, unlike most of these streamers who just wanna play broken sh1t.
Day 15 of asking to take another look at Paolo Emilio.
Moskva is better than shittro in almost every way except survivability. The better dpm alone is worth playing mosvka
Also the fact that I got it before petro was a thing makes it just as free
Moskva should be in a poorly maintained state in game like her real life modern namesake. (Don't hate me for a dark joke.)
Day 35 waiting for Patrie secondary build.
no french BB are worth it, the acurracy is terrible right
@@bradleecaldor6567and also pen is atrocious
And the pen @@bradleecaldor6567
@@bradleecaldor6567with a 1 second reload you don’t need accuracy, I’ve regularly gotten over 1,000 secondary hits with Patrie, and over 100k damage out of them with IFHE so they all pen superstructure
@@bradleecaldor6567 its about the fun factor B)
The worst Soviet cruisers are still better than most nation's best cruisers.
Day 20 of asking for some Amagi greatness ;(
Day 47 of asking for agincourt
It's not a fair comparison in Blitz as the roles are reversed. Petro is trash in blitz and Moskva is best cruiser in the game.
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I think you need to re narrate this and pretend What if petro didnt exist... every other word is petro...
Full AP Zao, the Assassin, the Ninja, the Nightmare of any broadside must be shown!
Not even BBs are save, if you are close enough.
the damn zao always lights me on fire
@@bradleecaldor6567Trust me better than showing your Broadside to it , only when 15km+ you wont eat that pen or cit dmg.