is the old Spider-Man 2 really that good?
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Some games are sacred. They were either so well received or so revolutionary that any criticism towards the game is sacrilege. They’re the games that people claim haven’t aged, the games people say are still the best to this day. Sometimes when I play a game like that, I think “what the hell are they on about?”. I’ll likely find things to enjoy, but I’ll be sceptical that it’s the best. Spider-Man 2, is one of those sacred cows. People for years, up until the release of Insomniac's Spider-Man games, have claimed that Spider-Man 2 for the 6th generation of consoles is the best open world Spider-Man game to ever exist. And you know what? Yea, I get it. I played the game when I was a kid but it wasn’t until last year that I gave it a proper replay, and I was expecting to see a game that aged poorly, that played poorly, and I didn’t. Look; is this better than some of the latest Spider-Man games, not entirely. Is it my favourite Spider-Man game; Sorry, but no ones beating Ultimate. But if anyone were to tell me that this is the best Spider-Man game, I wouldn’t question them. After, brace yourselves, 20 years, looking at this game can teach us a lot of lessons. Outside of how revolutionary it was; the game still does some things better than even the latest Spider-Man games, and that alone warrants a deeper look at Spider-Man 2.
Now I need to make something clear; I'm a big Spider-Man guy, ok, and those biases are clear no matter where you look on the channel; but despite being the #1 Peter Parker Pickled Pepper Pecker glazer, I have no nostalgia for THIS game. I grew up playing a lot of these games, but this one never stuck as hard as Ultimate did. By the time I was old enough to really appreciate the game though; I didn’t have a console capable of playing it. Now, going back to it, I was expecting something a lot worse than what we have. I became sceptical when seeing that people were comparing Spider-Man 2018 to this game, but, and sorry to give it away so early, these people are right to do so. The swinging genuinely is really good, the combat is surprisingly deep, and the game itself is just plain fun. It’s not all perfect, but if the goal is to answer the question “is this game as good as they say” the answer is “yea, pretty much”.
Spider-Man 2 is a wildly successful movie, but Spider Man 2 specifically Spider-Man 2 for the PS2 or Spider-Man 2 for the Gamecube is a wildly successful game. The Spider-Man 2 game based off the Sam Raimi movie, not Insomniacs Spider-Man 2, is bassed off of the Sam Raimi movie. The Spider-Man 2 gameplay, story, and more will be covered in this Spider-Man 2 critique. This Spider-Man 2 review will be shorter, but this Spider-Man 2 analysis is comprehensive as far as my thoughts go. Spider-Man 2, 20 Years Later and yes, I mean the good one (just kidding), holds up extremely well. The old Spider-Man 2 isn't the most high tech game, and not the longest, evidenced by any Spider-Man 2 walkthrough, but it still contains mechanics that make it worth playing outside of Marvels Spider-Man 2. I'll have a Marvels Spider-Man 2 review coming eventually in the That Boy Aqua Spider-Man retrospective. - Hry
“Speaking of gooning” took me out
Yeah that one caught me off guard
What's gooning mean
@@NadeemShekh-uy9zn Oh you sweet summer child
@@NadeemShekh-uy9zn It's like blowing your load
"Speaking of gooning, the missions with black cat-" LMAO
"as stiff as me when black cat shows up" i cant bro, that had me dying
In regards to the ragdolls, there's a glitch where, if you activate a race challenge, turn on spider reflexes, and get hit by the train, you will soar across the entire map. It's one of the funniest glitches in video game history. Slyfincleton has a vide of it on his channel showing how to do it.
A similar glitch happened to me when I was fighting Rhino. Turn on spider reflexes dodge his attack while swinging and counter him while you dodge everything including Spider-Man goes slow motion and after you hit him you’ll go high in the sky. If you go high enough you’ll fail the mission. One of the best glitches I’ve seen.
Has GTA IV swings energy.
I played Death Stranding a couple of years ago for the first time, and whenever I get asked to deliver some pizza pies across a deserted landscape, I always play the pizza delivery music from this game. That's how iconic the Spider-Man 2 video game is to me.
“Speaking of gooning” yeah… i remember that 😂
I think for me Insomniac nailed the swinging when they added the swing assist feature. Putting that down to zero really gave the best of both the first game and the old Spider-Man 2. It feels realistic and challenging while also looking good. I went the whole game using it and I still make slight errors with it light getting too greedy and swinging too late and hitting the ground or I end up swinging into a building, slowing me down.
7:56 egregious stray, absolutely diabolical
Choosing violence today
That title is gonna trigger all the 12 year olds/redditors
SHUT UP
Twitterites including. "Children-in-adult bodies," even. 😅
Go back under your rock… reddit hates/nitpicks/complains about Spider-Man 2
OMG THANK YOU! I thought I was the only one that would get peeved when someone would say that Arkham Asylum to inspiration from this game for its combat system. They are completely different.
Not gonna lie, seeing how high Peter bounces after max jumping off the Empire State Building is one fondest memories. That, and piledriving enemies from the same height.
the best part was the literally no emotion in character me and my brother would laugh so hard
Ngl as fun as races can be I kinda just see them as mindless additional content for open world games and while I do think they give a good opportunity to really test the movement capabilities of characters and explore parts of the map I'd be lying if I said I missed them and want games to have more of them.
If they're just fully optional activities for people to do solely for fun and not completion then cool, but otherwise I feel the same rush can be gained from something like community made races following certain routes.
I’m confused by “the good one”. I don’t remember a bad one.
The pc version. It's completely different than the console version, a d it's pretty bad.
I love Spider-Man 2
Doing pile drivers, and throwing goons off rooftops were hilarious! My favorite memories of this game as a kid.
Just started playing it again. Perfect timing
Such a good review keep it up Love this game
"The good one" is CRAZY 😂
Cuz it is
@@doomguydemonkillermarvel's spider-man 2 is better in every single way, its not even a debate.
I thought it was talking about how the PS2 version is way superior to the PC version of the same game.
I mean, the pc version of this game is utter crap.
web of shadows had good web swinging too.
Okay no joke I don’t know if this is CZcams’s compression on videos but whenever I see Spider-Man 2 for the PS2 gameplay I literally lose sight of where Spidey is when he’s swinging really fast. Idk if this is just me or CZcams or the actual game.
This game is such a blast! I didnt get to play until a year or 2 ago and was taken aback by just how much fun it is. Swinging is tied with Web of Shadows as my personal favorite
This game took over my life
fym "the good one"?
new one is mid
@@Anonymous-ux8kufar from true
In terms of games, it's the good one
@@Anonymous-ux8kucap nah I’m kidding
@@Anonymous-ux8ku nuh uh
Thank you! Ur comments on swinging is pin point. I hate how hand holdy Insomniac’s games are
Regarding the Web-swinging of Insomniac's SM2, am I the only who thinks that sometimes the physics of the games just suddenly and randomly slows you down. An example is when youre using the wind tunnels. When your going at a crazy fast speed and enter the wind tunnels, you'll slow down or sometimes when you do point launches, you also suddenly lost momentum. I think that the game is also favors in giving you upward momentum compared to giving you forward momentum. Even when doing a dive bomb, the physics is more willing to give you more upward momentum compared to forward momentum
Occasionally but I’m pretty sure the point launches is if you miss the perfect point launch when going at REALLY high or relatively high speed
If it’s not a perfect point launch you’ll lose some speed
this game should be nostalgic for me but i played it so much that it feels too recent
When I played this as a kid I always ran in front of the train just for the ragdoll physics.
Plus I tried to perfectly land from the Empire State Building in a way that Peter fell with ragdoll physics.
Needed him to hit one ledge while not landing properly it was the best.
I really recommend the spiderman web of shadows and shattered dimensions on ds
I wouldn't say no to a touched up remake of all three Raimi tie-in games. A uniform, but not necessarily "realistic" art style; the simpler polygonal counts on models, but with better facial animation; the swinging from 2 in all three; the gangs from 3: some of the insane difficulty spikes (especially from 1: stupid chases and Super Mech) maybe buffered slightly, providing a better balance between "fun" and "challenge". While 3 was pretty rough, it had solid elements, like swapping suits in the Wii version.
And, being able to stop civilians from doing dangerous/petty things. People driving angry again, or fighting, or whatever.
Fire video! Still a fire game!
“The good one” Oh no! The invalidation of my opinion!
Game was my therapy after a long day of being bullied. Nothing was more satisfying than beating the crap out of thugs! I’ll always remember this game as a treasured possession that got me through the tough times!
Web of Shadows is my favorite, but 2 for ps2 is a close second
My goat ❤
The Black Cat simping is on point
still one os the best spider man games
one of the things i like the most in the game is the sunset
the sunset is fucking beautiful
TRUE
This was my favorite game when I was a kid... now once i get to the final mission I just quit and call it because the difficulty of turning off that damn machine makes me want to punch the nearest person. I don't want games to be that difficult as an adult. I wanna relax after work not get an aneurysm from getting so pissed off at the difficulty of doing a task that for some reason I had no issue doing as a child.
You should make a retrospective on red dead 2
you should talk about shattered dimensions and edge of time they're my favorites and you make the best reviews!
Sigo jugando este juego. El mejor de Spidey.❤
Dude you’re really evil for putting the “good one” making me think you finally made the insomniac review. I got so dang excited too 😭
Can you review the X-Men legends games
4:07 Talk about beating a dead horse LMAO I remember my little ass getting punished like this none stop.
Just like with Rainbow Six Siege this is a game I still constantly comeback to, one for nostalgia. And two because I still think the swinging is so much fun
Have you tried the swinging with the swing assist options turned off. It’s a lot more fun if you liked the swinging of the 2004 game. Still not exactly the same since with the 2004 game you could sling shot your self and do other tricks because of how good the physics was.
Although the new game with swing assist set to 0 is not bad. At first I was smashing myself into the pavement because its harder to get off the ground.
It's not a matter of turning off swing assist. The swinging gets boring in SM2 2023. Especially since the swing button is the same button as running on a while. Doesn't take as much skill
@@itsaxel8088 How is that a problem?
I think he means the spiderman 2 2004 pc game by "the good one"
Would be nice if you told us how to emulate
Do spidey shattered dimensions next.
The best Spider-Man game
mannnnnnn there are so many old games I want to play
Can’t wait for dis game to drop again on ps5 hands down best spider man next to it is the Wii Spider-Man😮💨
Y didnt u use the ps2 graphics and in a pose that is from the raimi movie
Just to calm everyone down he's definitely talking about Tasm2 game considering he already mafe an sm2 review recommending the game
2:25 Spiderman shouldve been with black cat
web of shadows best game ever
You can tell who didn’t watch the video to its completion by people questioning “the good one” lol
"The good one"? Thats not Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro
Lol that title "Spider-Man 2 (the good one) - 20 years later" before he changed it. I honestly can't wait for IG to drop Marvel after X-Men and a lesser developer attempts another SM game and then people crawl back begging for IG to make one again or some shit not knowing how good they actually had it.
bro if this game never came out & was a success, arkham wouldnt be what it was atleast at the time it came out. if you've played both it's literally common sense
Eh
Arkham Asylum would've still come out because it isn't a fully open world game
City I would agree since Spider-Man 2 was the first superhero game to nail an open world setting. There have been games that attempted open settings before like the Batman and Robin tie-in but it's so clearly ruined by the limitations of the PS1
Masterful work on the title of the video.
You both get clicks from people wanting to figure out what you mean and an active comment section full of idiots arguing whether the "old" (no one tell them about Enter Electro) Spider-man 2 and Insomniac's Spider-man 2 is superior.
I often find that you can get really close to the ground when you swing in Spider-Man 2. But in Insom’s Spider-Man 2, the amount of times I’ve swung in a similar arc only to have the animation force a character’s limb to hit a van or the road, is SO annoying. And it feels less like my error and more like I’m fighting with the game. Like the animation gives the character a different gravity that I couldn’t properly account for. Still fun but aggravating nonetheless.
Turn swing assist off
Spider-Man 2, Ultimate and Web of Shadows have the best swinging imo. Marvel's Spider-Man 1 & 2 was fun at the beginning but got boring pretty fast. Swinging doesn't feel rewarding anymore in modern Spider-Man's.
Well, gotta dust off the ol’ PS2
I would love to see your full review about Spider Man 2.
It’ll come soon, just have some other projects I wanna work on!
@@ThatBoyAquawould love to see more positivity with the game. I hate seeing it get hated on more than it deserves.
@@rajamohanareddygayam5309 no 90% of the hate is Warranted
@@ethanb3653 90% of the hate is red pilled garbage takes that are mostly disingenuous to what the game was going for. It’s a 7/10 at best and they all treat it like it’s a 2/10
Bro changed the title let’s go 😂
I HATE this game philosophy of making gameplay looking good by assisting the player, making the gameplay feeling so unorganic, at this point it feels like swinging and fighting are reduced to prompts and all actions seem so scripted, it doesnt feel like a game at all, it feels like an interactive movie, why do games need to be so cinematographic??
Correction
*(the other good one)
I gotchu bruh
Almost every Spider-Man game can be considered good except SM3, Edge of Time and TASM 1/2.
Neversoft PS1 Spider-Man games, SM1 Treyarch, SM2, Ultimate, Web of Shadows, Shattered Dimensions, even TASM 1 was somewhat okay.
Edge of time? That game is good
I liked all of them except Edge of Time lol. It felt too repetitive to me. Go from one room beat people up and go into another.
@@T2Focused I played it on the 3DS, it had a good story but it was 4 hours long, very repetitive and quite annoying by the end. It would’ve been better as a movie.
@@brahmanwithin6623 ah honestly I see where you’re coming from. Maybe I’m blinded by nostalgia
@@T2Focused I think that the game is a better experience watched online as a game movie with all cutscenes because the combat is a bit tedious. I actually quite liked The Amazing Spider-Man 2 at the time, even though it was quite mediocre. It had fun swinging and combat, decent suits and decent stealth missions.
Ragebait title if i ever saw one lmao
Spider-Man 2 2023 is atrocious
@@hanshotlast sure
It's not ragebait if its true.
its lowkey true. the old one is great for its time and the standards it has. it knows what it was trying to accomplish and achieved that. the new one feels like they stopped caring half way through and just added anything they thought would be cool without thinking first
Why? Because it’s true
I don't always agree with Aqua, but this is one of the times i disagree with him on a spiderman game. I personally always preferred USM and the first movie game to SM2, including the swinging, especially with USM. SM2 just doesn't feel as good as i feel like everyone says. Combat doesn't feel great, swinging is too loose, wall crawling is a nightmare, but it did change the way people saw and made Spider-Man games and i will always and forever be grateful for that
Yes
Unpopular opinion, but I still say Spider man 3 for next gen had the best web swinging. It had the perfect balance of being physics based requiring plenty of skill and cinematic enough to where you can enjoy it and flow beautifully with style through the city without inevitably slamming into a wall every few seconds. Plus I love the fluid animations and how acrobat tricks this time around can be used to manipulate how much momentum you have while web swinging, swinging off traffic lights, flying in the air or jumping off walls. Of course the tutorial in game doesn't tell you how to pull off these tricks and tips or how to use these things to your advantage. This stuff is all learned through hours of gameplay. Unfortunately Sm3's swinging goes easily overlooked since most people who play it, tend to just do whatever to beat the game and be done with it entirely.
Well, there technically is ragdoll in the Insomniac games when you die. Lol.
I have to be honest, I prefer the combat and swinging of not only this game, but other Spider-Man titles over the Insomniac games. I just love the momentum and speed of web swinging and slamming thugs back-and-forth like a ragdoll, or jackhammer kicking them in the air.
Also, nice to see Ultimate Spider-Man getting some love!
P.S. I would love it if we saw a live-action Rhino that used this game's design as a basis.
Especially since the game let's you throw people off buildings without any webbing safety nets
If anyone thinks the new Spider-Man 2 is bad is simply blinded by nostalgia, It might have had its fault but it's by no means a bad game
For real 💯
If you don’t care about story telling or Spider-Man as a character then the new game is alright.
The game Is mid honestly,i understand i you like it but there are a Lot of things like plot holes or design choices that dont make any sense at all,and the combat just added More tools but not More problems to use againts those tools
@@Itsme-wp8yc I can see why you dislike it, but the story isn’t terrible. It was a bunch of great ideas with some having weird executions. But it’s not a bad story. It’s decent at the very least.
@Itsme-wp8yc it's fair to say that you have no idea how Spider-Man stories are told, This is pretty common in people who simply watch "Spider-Man Video essays" who complain about Spider-Man stories and yet have no idea who the character really is.
Not liking the game for the lack of features and bugs is fine and acceptable but outright saying the story was bad is completely stupid.
Was it better then SM1? No.
Was it a bad story? Hell no
Insomniac’s 2018 game didn’t match up, imo. Haven’t played Morales or 2 yet… 🤷🏻♂️
You deserve a thumbs up for the Black Cat comments alone.
Oh man, the ponies are gonna be upset over that title. They might just start playing golf out of rage.
I’m not sure why ppl would say it inspired Arkham , Ik spider-man 3 was originally more like Arkham but they lost the guy that was doing the combat system so it was scrapped.
Spider-Man 3 also literally has a mechanic that's a precursor to detective mode.
USM is what I'd call an Arkham precursor because moving your analog stick to an enemy during combat will have Spidey automatically zip to that enemy
You lost me when you said that the combat in SM2 wasn't the inspiration for the combat in the Arkham games. Are you blind?
The two combat systems are fundamentally different. Arkham Rewards rhythm and strategically hitting certain enemies. Spider-Man offers more room for individual expression in what moves you use and how
Who's playing this in four hours?
I prefer the swinging/traversal in this over the Marvel's Spider-Man games, because it's more challenging. The traversal in the newer games LOOKS cool, but it feels much more satisfying to pull stuff off in Spider-Man 2 The Movie Game.
imo it feels ALOT better to play the marvel game tbh
not only does it look alot better. swinging is very challenging to make it look good and keep the flow going, where og sm2 is alot more "basic" and less feature rich
Just turn down the assist swinging to 0 and boom it’s more challenging
The skill ceiling for this game was higher as you really had to master web swinging.
@@Cooldoge67 its artificial. its still not momentum based, and can be mastered in a day or 2. web wings circumvent any possible challenge, theres no real fall damage, and half of the shit i could do in games from over a decade ago i cant do in the new game
I subscribed to Aqua for two things: Amazing reviews and ragebait titles, and boy does he always deliver
The comment section has more rage bait than the title of the video. It’s like a twitter/X thread…
I have no problem with the The Raimi spider man 2 i just find it annoying how its fans will always try to invalidate everything the new games do for the SWINGING it shows a lack of critical thinking and just Or even basic empathy
Yes congratulations you have more skill based swinging in your game we have better combat. Voice acting and Graphics.
But then they get offended that anyone dare say their games aren’t the best
Yea, Spider-Man fans aren’t exactly the most mature bunch. Half the problem is that they kind of have a point, the swinging really is quite good in the old SM2, but you’re right, it doesn’t invalidate someone’s preference and just because it takes more skill doesn’t make it inherently better
The new Spider-Man 2 was a colossal disappointment. Glad I’m not the only one who can see that.
Dang. Sorry that it was a disappointment to you.
But I do hope you’re aware that a lot of people still love Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 to death.
@@rajamohanareddygayam5309 yeah I know they do, not everyone is blessed with good taste unfortunately.
We know not everyone has bad taste, thata qhy he apologized about yours@@Itsme-wp8yc
@Itsme-wp8yc thank god I wasn't blessed with your taste garbage
It seemed like insomniac/Sony was more concerned about pleasing certain people than making a good game
Even Miles had his Arc from his solo game screwed up to become Adidas Man
The game will be saved when it arrives on PC, the mod community will make it much more fun
I do think your take on marvels spider-man 2 game is wrong. Simply because there is way more skill reauired especially on 0 swing assist than you showed in the video. Considering needle threads reaching top speed and other things it can get pretty difficult to master. And by top speed i dont mean spamming spider dash and jump, that isnt even close to top speed
Only 446 views in 15 minutes?
Man you fell off 😂
i JUS stained your pillow with thick white substances
Oof the the good one's fams coming for you 😂
I think what he’s trying to say when writing “the good one” is the version, because the pc port for this game is atrociously bad (the psp one is okay though)
I appreciate you being charitable but not gonna lie I just wanted to annoy insomniac fans
I genuinely like Insomiacs Spider-Man 2 a lot lol
@@ThatBoyAqua yeah that was my second option i knew that this title would bring people to rage and discuss about it hahaha you’re a genius
Bro HAD to write spiderman 2 (The good one)😭
Bro HAD to say bro 😭
This game and web of shadows still has superior swinging.
"The good one" 😂 you're awesome
Spider-Man 3 is really good.
* Dodges bullets and flaming pitchforks *
The PSP one, I mean. It's basically 2's graphics and gameplay but with 3's story. 2 on PSP was unfortunately not as good because it lacks the big open world
Spider-Man 2 didn't have the open world because the PSP at the time was new so devs were figuring out how to work with the hardware(I think SM2 was even one of the launch titles)
It wasn't till late 2005 that we started seeing more ambitious titles on the console
You should cover sekiro sometime in the future
What did you mean by "the good one"?
Marvel's Spider-man 2 is mid
@@julek4248your life is mid
@@shalomproduction6367wow genius. What a great comeback. Get off the internet you clown
@@shalomproduction6367 you are mid
@@shalomproduction6367What a great way to be againts someone else opinion,by insulting the person
Insomniac Spiderman 2 is also a good one now imho.
Yes it is that good 😅