I agree 💯💯💯. The Jamaicans are complaining about the same thing at their high school championships yet they do the same in the US. And ISSA had the audacity to limit foreign athletes (to 2 for each class),from competing in their national championships which is not fair to the athletes.
@@nonope4626US can limit them they’ll be fine trust me Jamaicans do well training and going to colleges in Jamaica going to the US is a individual decision Usain Bolt and ShellyAnn and others didn’t go to collages in the USA and they’re doing good all facts js 😀
Many of the young Jamaican athletes are now turning pro in jamaica instead of going to US universities, where they are overworked and their form tapers off in the latter part of the season.
@nonope4626 Many of the foreign athletes are already successful at home and merely come here for the percs like scholarships. The USA needs to help our own needy athletes with that scholarship money. Without it many of our own talented athletes will not be able to afford college.
Thanx Coach, as a Jamaican track and field enthusiast, I agree whole heartedly 😊. I believe that the focus needs to also highlight these amazing American Atheletes as well. Leaving them in the woods, just isn't cool..Not at all.
@zenzimakeba2248 Very thoughtful and generous comment. In truth, we should honor all peoples' achievements because we are one. But we put on our different uniforms in a spirit of healthy competition so that we can give the home country's people something to cheer about.
Thank you for your comment! I celebrate the international athletes who are competing. I actually wish we would highlight that aspect a bit more since they are often competing for American state colleges.
@@SCATrackandField I think they should be allowed to compete but there should be a podium for only US athletes and a podium for the top three regardless of being from here or not. However, the scholarships should be only for US citizens unless the foreign athletes obtain a work visa.
The u s a has been given scholarship out to foreign athletes for a long time so why does it look like a problem now. This has always been a chance for high school athletes to get a scholarship to further their careers and get a education
@howardlawrence3237 @howardlawrence3237 Carl Lewis and others have pointed it out as a problem a long time ago. It's now reached epidemic proportions and it's time to call a halt to the practice of importing athletes who will never represent us internationally and are preventing the development and training of the US athletes who will. At the very least we should limit it to one or two per team. It's absurd that all the gals (?) on the Texas relay team were from other countries.
The US University / College are not developing US athletes, as the money is going to develop athletes from other nations. Private schools can spend where they want, but State funded schools should not be spending money in foreign athletes.
A great follow-up video might focus on the number of world and olympic medalists over the last 20 or so years that were not American but took advantage of the U.S. NCAA system to develop and eventually achieve more success than the Americans.
Josh Kerr (Great Britian) - Went to Univ of New Mexico, Olympic bronze medalist in Tokyo Olympics 1500m). A few others I can think of that are world class but are not medalists (not yet!) in world events - Joseph Fahnbulleh (Liberia) 100m/200m Went to U of Florida. Jessica Hull (Australia) 1500m-5000m went to U of Oregon.
A big part of the problem is that the overwhelming majority of our high school coaches are;t very good (and that's me being nice). There are many exceptions to this but for each one you find that's good, you'll find 3 football coaches that care nothing about track and are mostly using it for offseason conditioning or some teacher that doesn't really know much about track.
This is all about money and winning championships at any cost. This is problematic because the vast majority (if not all) schools are getting state and federal funds from taxpayers. Using stadiums, equipment, top level trainers and elite coaches all paid for, directly or indirectly, by state and federal funds. We are taking our best resources to train and build up other countries while neglecting our own. And that's a problem. The other concern is that this talent is one way: ie Country X isn't coming to the US to recruit athletes. This means that not only do their A level jumpers get advanced training here in the US, but they also get to use their national funds to focus on their B level jumpers who were not recruited internationally. Or even worse: they keep and train their elite athletes (many countries are more competitive than the US in some filed events) while we nurture, train and develop their B level athletes to become more competitive. This results in US high schoolers relegated to less competitive schools (with less funding and fewer elite coaches), and sadly less scholarship opportunities. And it's getting worse. In a bid to get better, even the less competitive schools are recruiting internationally which closes even more doors on our young athletes. Think this isn't a problem? Look at American college tennis which has had this problem for years where Americans are the minority on competitive teams. This drives potential athletes from the sport since another avenue of success and improvement has been effectively eliminated. I love track and field and I love our international athletes and students, but we need to find a better balance.
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate your perspective. I had no idea the international athletes were so successful at the NCAA level til I did the deep dive on the research.
This has been the case for decades. Back in the mid to late 1980s numerous Nigerian athletes attended USA universities. Mary,Onyali, Fatima Yusuf, Innocent Egbunike,Chidi Imoh,Falilat Ogunkoya and the Ezinwa brothers to name a few. Carl Lewis complained about the universities training its foes. You’re ignoring the other side of the coin wherein numerous foreigners migrate to the USA (Canada, Great Britain and Frame for some decades but now numerous other countries) and the children grow up to compete FOR THE USA. Sanya Richards,Dalilah Muhammad, Mary Okolo,Modele Akinosun, Gabby Thomas, Tiffany Porter and her sister Ofili, Christine Ohuruogu , Linford Christie,Dina Asher Smith, almost the whole senior football team of Frances at one point in time. The list goes on and quite frankly it has been favouring THE USA and other developed countries. Almost all the blacks competing for Great Britain can trace the roots less than 3 generations back to Jamaica, Nigeria or Ghana. Thirdly, the varsities are in the BUSINESS of acquiring the BEST athletes possible to compete for them. These foreign athletes are NOT taking the places of domestic athletes. It may be argued that they're taking the places of domestic non-athlete students however. That begs the question "How many foreign students on average does each division 1 varsity have that's on a sports scholarship"?
It happened even earlier, in the late-1970s in cross-country. Two of the top teams were Princeton and UTEP. Princeton was called the 'Irish National' team, and UTEP was the 'Kenyan B Squad'. As you would expect they dominated the distance races in T&F season. The other serious title contenders back then were Northern Arizona (NAU), UCLA, and Oregon. Of those NAU is the only one that's still a top-tier XC team these days.
Either way...USA still does well at World Champs and Olympics. Jamaica has always done well at track and field as well. Although we alot of my fellow Jamaicans accept scholarships here in the US, the majority of our medal winners at world champs and Olympics had been trained in Jamaica (i.e MVP, Racers Track Club, etc).
@delroywilson4227: *Majority of your "recent winners" have trained in Jamaica not historically, because the USA has been the best training ground for track athletes for decades. You must be young and don't know anything about track history. Just Be Quiet!*
@@noelbartley1084 : *Your home grown Jamaican medalist are the ones that are doping and not being tested by the Jamaican IOC but cycle in and out of doping for the Olympics and World Championships, this is well known around the world but the clueless citizens of Jamaica, but it's all coming to an end because the U.S. now samples of Jamaican athletes from the 2022 World Championships, you will begin to see less and less fast times from your Jamaican athletes. they are now on watch.*
Very interesting topic. I’ve certainly noticed it as well, but can’t decide if it’s a good thing or bad thing. Anyone who’s a fan of track knows that it’s like a third-class citizen compared to football, basketball or even hockey. I’m wondering if this influx of talent could possibly increase awareness and interest here simply because incredible, record-breaking performances are happening, or is it less interesting because now people feel less connected? All of that being said, there’s also been plenty of amazing performances from home grown talent in recent years like Sydney, Athing, Britton Wilson, JaVaughn Harrison, Trey Cunningham, Abby Steiner and others. It’s not just the Julien Alfred’s and Rhasidat Adeleke’s and Fahnbulleh’s of the world doing everything.
I totally agree on both sides. I don’t mind the USA vs the World feel things have taken on. I just wish we could highlight the international flavor a bit more. It’s almost like the best college teams might as well just be training groups for some of the worlds top young athletes, regardless of nationality.
Interesting perspective. I think the point you missed making (or made implicitly) is that the NCAA is the "Worlds Jr". It is not specifically "national" anymore. Only "national" (geographic) as in National Colleges (technically not Collegiate) Athletic Association.
Great points! And I think some are missing it in that it’s become more prevalent of late. I don’t think you said it’s never happened before. I ran against some top flight American born HS bred athletes, and I also ran against some top foreign athletes. Earned my scholarship just the same, but it’s clear to see it’s different now. I think that’s the point of the video.
Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it! It does appear that more international athletes, than ever before are coming to the NCAA and dominating when they do.
Thank you for bringing up this important topic. I was complaining about this at the time of the NCAA championships on other sites. I don't think we should be passing over US citizens and we could do better if we trained OUR OWN instead of just snapping up the proven athletes from elsewhere. We are giving valuable scholarships to others when our own young men and women should be supported. It's not like the poverty level is not great and growing here at home. As to team championships, in the NCAA they should NOT count points won by other countries, IMO. STOP THIS PRACTICE WHICH IS DEPRIVING OUR OWN PEOPLE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THEIR TALENTS!
Surely, you understand that poverty in a "first-world" nation is very different from poverty in the "Third World." Also, do you think they are "developing" talents from other parts of the world out of the kindness of their hearts?
Foreign runners are allowed to compete and train in Jamaica. Zarnel Hughes is from Britain, but train and run unaffiliated in professional sprint races in Jamaica, and the Jamaican people cheers when he wins.
@@star.traffick8390 That's fine. I'm not against them practicing or competing here but I am against them taking up scholarships that our own young people deserve and positions on our NATIONAL university teams. I am against allowing them to score points for OUR universities in the team standings. Why do we call it our NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Association championships? What do you think the "N" stands for in NCAA? Relay team records are already not accepted for world records if there are members on the team from more than one country.
Nobody is depriving your “own people from developing their talents “.kids in the U.S gravitates to sports that have big payouts (NBA,NFL) and if universities weren’t benefiting from giving out scholarships they wouldn’t do it
@@star.traffick8390 : *What a joke, you mention one athlete as though that is comparable to what's going on in the U.S. college system. Just Be Quiet!*
On the men's side I think we lose a lot of good HS sprinters to football when it comes to college. Just from my own experience coaching at the HS level most of the best throwers chose to play linemen in college and gave up track after HS. It was basically just a way to stay in shape during the off season. At the D1 level sports are big business and having a winner on the field is all that really matters. Does this cost opportunities for some borderline D1 runners getting a chance to get a scholarship? Yes, but if you are decent you can probably get something at a lower level and have just as much fun since you have a shot at winning races.
This isn't just track & field, let alone sports anymore. This is the entire world economy. Look at the current jobs market right now. You're not just competing with US applicants. Employers and investors are looking across the world for talent. So while your observation is valid, it's not a problem per se. In regards to T&F, what the US needs to do is improve (probably overhaul) the pipeline. Kids don't are more likely to move to then real revenue-generating sports (football, basketball, tennis, golf, and more). Track & field doesn't make real money.
Why shouldn't the athletes be dominated with foreign students when the classrooms have been for years. College athletes is COLLEGE!! These are foreign students ALL over campus. Experiencing life. Sharing culture. So damn what! It is not the job of college athletes to be the proxy for Team USA Athletics. If Team USA wants to develop a sports program to develop youth ... go right ahead. NCAA should have nothing to do with this xenophobic, nationalist Ron DeSantis b.s. that you are stressing. (Ok you didn't go full DeSantis, but you were getting off on the same exit.) Damn that. It like people see the N in NCAA and think the government owns it. We over hear talkin' like we are training our damn enemies or something. Its sport, not war. Jeez. Foreign athletes only compete as a teams against the U.S. at Worlds... and at the Olympics. That is 2x every 4 years. And that's a problem for an entire college experience? 2 meets every 4 years that we are training our "enemies" for? WTF are we talking about here people. It not that deep.
Bravo, sir. Bravo. Also, if we really want to tell the truth, many of the foreign athletes do not go on to have long or successful careers. By the time their American universities are done with them, many are too burned out to be of any service to their national teams.
@Prodigalzson First off, the classrooms are not dominated by foreign students. Furthermore, in the classrooms these foreign students are paying their own way. When it comes to EXTRACURRICULAR activities such as athletics as many of our young citizens as show potential have both the NEED and the RIGHT to get assistance from Universities which receive untold amounts of tax support from US citizens. Do you think college is free? Not getting scholarships is not only denying young people needed assistance, it is also discouraging would be athletes at lower levels like high school. Why try to be the best you can be if you realize you will be stopped when you can't afford college without a scholarship which is going to someone from another country who is already getting support from their own country's tax dollars? Many of these foreign athletes are double dippers. Why should our students bother to put out all that effort when their only chance without that scholarship will be to try to get a job to make expenses and tuition? No one is saying that competitors are enemies. I am not asking to have them shot for Heaven's sakes. I am merely asking that we develop our own talent and let their countries develop their own talent. This should be obvious. IT'S NOT THAT DEEP!
Feel free to develop your own talent. Go ahead and start the "Make America Fast Again" Track club if you want to. Nobody is stopping you. I just don't agree that should be the job of colleges. In fact... it is against the very concept of sharing knowledge that colleges are based on. (I agree that nobody is talking about actual war.) It is just that when we as American use the College environment to hoard things for ourselves (knowledge, coaching strategies, whatever) we diminish the open, collaborate, sharing environment that makes college special. Do you realize how many of the faculty at American colleges are foreign born? What you gonna tell them? Come teach at my school, but your track star kid can't run for our team because they aren't American enough? Really? Is that your plan? If so, good luck with that.
@@sherwood9917 That thought is a very positive notion. In truth, most athletes do not achieve success to any large degree as professionals where just getting in the Finals is highly competitive, let alone winning them.
@@Prodigalzson I agree with you that we should not hoard knowledge. I just feel that if we don't change the name from "NATIONAL" Collegiate Athletic Association we are being deluded. What is NATIONAL about international competition? I also believe that it would enable more of our young people a better chance in life if they got the help and not outsiders. However in a respectable society, all of our citizens would be aided in developing their potential not just the most talented.
You should do a video giving your opinion on athletes are born in or grow up in America then choosing to represent foreign nations for international competitions. The rules that govern that are completely ridiculous in my opinion.
Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it. The room is actually pretty simple as far as I understand it. If one of your parents were born in that country you can still claim it for international competition. For example, if a Nigerian family immigrate to the US, the child they have cam compete for Nigeria. But their grandchildren will not be eligible if both parents are now American born.
Not sure if either of these two played on USA college teams, but: Mondo Duplantis, the world record holder in the pole vault. Born and raised in Louisiana but vaults for Sweden where his mom was born/raised. Naomi Osaka the female tennis player who represents Japan, she was born/raised in the USA but her mom is Japanese. One who DID was JAsmine Camacho-Quinn, the 100m hurdler who's representing Puerto Rico in the World Championships 2023 and won the last Olympics 100m hurdles. She was born in Charleston SC, Puerto Rican mother, went to Univ of Kentucky.
o @deyanwatson3235 What do you mean the US is not hungry anymore? We have poverty levels and homelessness that place people in the same boat as the poor anywhere else in the world. Our young people need hope, opportunity and a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply @unconventionalcrosy52 @unconventionalcrosy52 How many current members of the US team were stars in the NCAA? Coleman, Lyles, Norman and many more. With more support for developing athletes and the hope of getting more scholarships we could have more make the National team.
Thank you for the comment. I don't see it as a positive or negative, but it makes a big difference for HS recruits in the states looking for scholarships.
But if universities were not benefitting from the foreign talent then they wouldn't recruit. US cant play victim. These kids raise the buzz for their universities so its a win win for both simple🎉🎉🎉 N remember iton sharpens iron. Get the best by world to help sharpen your kids. Its has helped NCAA build extra buzz
@who_me4321 No one is "playing" victim. Our US athletes ARE VICTIMS. They cannot afford college without scholarships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet we give it to someone will take the money and run right back home because it is easier for them to get on their national teams and because that's where there loyalty's lie.
An intelligent and courageous presentation of the "international takeover" in NCAA track and field which is a microcosm of the takeover in process now on a global level of all sovereign nations...here comes the CBDC!
@deyanwatson3235 What do you mean the US is not hungry anymore? We have poverty levels and homelessness that place people in the same boat as the poor anywhere else in the world. Our young people need hope, opportunity and a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sports hunger….the desire to win…bee the best at what you do…that world has caught up and passing America ….why are US coaches recruiting from other countries and not from their own backyard…
@@deyanwatson3235 Exactly. How can Texas be so arrogant when they used athletes from other countries and not even from their homeland? What does their governor think about this?
@@deyanwatson3235 You're so right! I propose a compromise. They can have a trophy for the team that gets the most points from using foreign born athletes and another trophy for the team that gets the most points using only US Citizen athletes. I bet they could afford another trophy, any way, right?
@deeplyingplaymaker8804t How is it xenophobic to put our own citizens first using the tax dollars we pay to our universities? Why should we deny that investment to our own citizens? Scholarship support is essential for them to attend universities and to get the training opportunities required to be all they can be. Why do you think we have the highest incarceration rates in the world? Could it be possible that we could lower the rates of incarceration and recidivism if we would devote more opportunities, time, energy and resources to young people so that they have alternatives to crime and drug addiction? Many young people here have the potential to be great track and field athletes but we are not attempting to develop that potential systematically through support, encouragement and financial incentives. Instead, colleges just want to brag about scoring the most points in OUR NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Association's championships. Where is our sense of obligation to maximize our own citizens' aspirations, ambitions and talents? These institutions just want to take the easy way out by getting already developed athletes. Our Preamble to the Constitution states that one of our government's goals is to Promote the General Welfare of our citizenry. To accomplish this is a worthy and challenging goal and we should NOT be neglecting any and all efforts to do so. We don't need to supplant citizens living here with imports to prove we are not xenophobes. It is quite obvious that we are already a nation made up of people from all over the world.
I appreciate your response. I am a recruiting coach so I support athletes looking for scholarship offers. I’m not opposed to international athletes. That said most HS kids aren’t aware how competitive it really is to get 1. And this is a major reason why.
@@SCATrackandField I guess a lot of kids aren't motivated to such dedication. I would like to research to find out a ball park figure as to how many potential college track team members from here are getting scholarships and how many can't get them.
I agree 💯💯💯. The Jamaicans are complaining about the same thing at their high school championships yet they do the same in the US. And ISSA had the audacity to limit foreign athletes (to 2 for each class),from competing in their national championships which is not fair to the athletes.
Now what if the US limit them to 2 scholarships for each school 🤦🏾♀️. Well it is what it is 🤷🏽♀️
@@nonope4626US can limit them they’ll be fine trust me Jamaicans do well training and going to colleges in Jamaica going to the US is a individual decision Usain Bolt and ShellyAnn and others didn’t go to collages in the USA and they’re doing good all facts js 😀
If they don’t like it they can go to school on their own country lol 😂
Many of the young Jamaican athletes are now turning pro in jamaica instead of going to US universities, where they are overworked and their form tapers off in the latter part of the season.
@nonope4626 Many of the foreign athletes are already successful at home and merely come here for the percs like scholarships. The USA needs to help our own needy athletes with that scholarship money. Without it many of our own talented athletes will not be able to afford college.
Thanx Coach, as a Jamaican track and field enthusiast, I agree whole heartedly 😊. I believe that the focus needs to also highlight these amazing American Atheletes as well. Leaving them in the woods, just isn't cool..Not at all.
@zenzimakeba2248 Very thoughtful and generous comment. In truth, we should honor all peoples' achievements because we are one. But we put on our different uniforms in a spirit of healthy competition so that we can give the home country's people something to cheer about.
Thank you for your comment! I celebrate the international athletes who are competing. I actually wish we would highlight that aspect a bit more since they are often competing for American state colleges.
@@SCATrackandField I think they should be allowed to compete but there should be a podium for only US athletes and a podium for the top three regardless of being from here or not. However, the scholarships should be only for US citizens unless the foreign athletes obtain a work visa.
Excellent content Coach Rob! One of the very best when it comes to all things Track and Field. Can't wait for more !
Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it!
The u s a has been given scholarship out to foreign athletes for a long time so why does it look like a problem now. This has always been a chance for high school athletes to get a scholarship to further their careers and get a education
Yes. And, I am not sure why he is pretending the benefits flow only in one direction .
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Carl Lewis and others have pointed it out as a problem a long time ago. It's now reached epidemic proportions and it's time to call a halt to the practice of importing athletes who will never represent us internationally and are preventing the development and training of the US athletes who will. At the very least we should limit it to one or two per team. It's absurd that all the gals (?) on the Texas relay team were from other countries.
The US University / College are not developing US athletes, as the money is going to develop athletes from other nations. Private schools can spend where they want, but State funded schools should not be spending money in foreign athletes.
A great follow-up video might focus on the number of world and olympic medalists over the last 20 or so years that were not American but took advantage of the U.S. NCAA system to develop and eventually achieve more success than the Americans.
That’s a good idea. I will look into it!
Josh Kerr (Great Britian) - Went to Univ of New Mexico, Olympic bronze medalist in Tokyo Olympics 1500m). A few others I can think of that are world class but are not medalists (not yet!) in world events - Joseph Fahnbulleh (Liberia) 100m/200m Went to U of Florida. Jessica Hull (Australia) 1500m-5000m went to U of Oregon.
A big part of the problem is that the overwhelming majority of our high school coaches are;t very good (and that's me being nice). There are many exceptions to this but for each one you find that's good, you'll find 3 football coaches that care nothing about track and are mostly using it for offseason conditioning or some teacher that doesn't really know much about track.
This is all about money and winning championships at any cost. This is problematic because the vast majority (if not all) schools are getting state and federal funds from taxpayers. Using stadiums, equipment, top level trainers and elite coaches all paid for, directly or indirectly, by state and federal funds. We are taking our best resources to train and build up other countries while neglecting our own. And that's a problem. The other concern is that this talent is one way: ie Country X isn't coming to the US to recruit athletes. This means that not only do their A level jumpers get advanced training here in the US, but they also get to use their national funds to focus on their B level jumpers who were not recruited internationally. Or even worse: they keep and train their elite athletes (many countries are more competitive than the US in some filed events) while we nurture, train and develop their B level athletes to become more competitive. This results in US high schoolers relegated to less competitive schools (with less funding and fewer elite coaches), and sadly less scholarship opportunities. And it's getting worse. In a bid to get better, even the less competitive schools are recruiting internationally which closes even more doors on our young athletes. Think this isn't a problem? Look at American college tennis which has had this problem for years where Americans are the minority on competitive teams. This drives potential athletes from the sport since another avenue of success and improvement has been effectively eliminated. I love track and field and I love our international athletes and students, but we need to find a better balance.
Thank you for your comment. I appreciate your perspective. I had no idea the international athletes were so successful at the NCAA level til I did the deep dive on the research.
This has been the case for decades. Back in the mid to late 1980s numerous Nigerian athletes attended USA universities. Mary,Onyali, Fatima Yusuf, Innocent Egbunike,Chidi Imoh,Falilat Ogunkoya and the Ezinwa brothers to name a few. Carl Lewis complained about the universities training its foes.
You’re ignoring the other side of the coin wherein numerous foreigners migrate to the USA (Canada, Great Britain and Frame for some decades but now numerous other countries) and the children grow up to compete FOR THE USA. Sanya Richards,Dalilah Muhammad, Mary Okolo,Modele Akinosun, Gabby Thomas, Tiffany Porter and her sister Ofili, Christine Ohuruogu , Linford Christie,Dina Asher Smith, almost the whole senior football team of Frances at one point in time. The list goes on and quite frankly it has been favouring THE USA and other developed countries. Almost all the blacks competing for Great Britain can trace the roots less than 3 generations back to Jamaica, Nigeria or Ghana.
Thirdly, the varsities are in the BUSINESS of acquiring the BEST athletes possible to compete for them. These foreign athletes are NOT taking the places of domestic athletes. It may be argued that they're taking the places of domestic non-athlete students however. That begs the question "How many foreign students on average does each division 1 varsity have that's on a sports scholarship"?
Exactly. Great points. It's strange that he is pretending that this just started a few years ago.
@adegbenroagoro5180 I agree with Carl Lewis. Why even bother keeping national scores if non-nationals can simply switch their allegiance at will?
It happened even earlier, in the late-1970s in cross-country. Two of the top teams were Princeton and UTEP. Princeton was called the 'Irish National' team, and UTEP was the 'Kenyan B Squad'. As you would expect they dominated the distance races in T&F season. The other serious title contenders back then were Northern Arizona (NAU), UCLA, and Oregon. Of those NAU is the only one that's still a top-tier XC team these days.
Either way...USA still does well at World Champs and Olympics. Jamaica has always done well at track and field as well. Although we alot of my fellow Jamaicans accept scholarships here in the US, the majority of our medal winners at world champs and Olympics had been trained in Jamaica (i.e MVP, Racers Track Club, etc).
@delroywilson4227:
*Majority of your "recent winners" have trained in Jamaica not historically, because the USA has been the best training ground for track athletes for decades. You must be young and don't know anything about track history. Just Be Quiet!*
@@imo1933Man
man stop since 2007 when JA started getting double figures most medallist are home grown .
@@imo1933I think you are the one who should keep quiet. Instead of using data you are up in your feelings
@@noelbartley1084 :
*Your home grown Jamaican medalist are the ones that are doping and not being tested by the Jamaican IOC but cycle in and out of doping for the Olympics and World Championships, this is well known around the world but the clueless citizens of Jamaica, but it's all coming to an end because the U.S. now samples of Jamaican athletes from the 2022 World Championships, you will begin to see less and less fast times from your Jamaican athletes. they are now on watch.*
Very interesting topic. I’ve certainly noticed it as well, but can’t decide if it’s a good thing or bad thing. Anyone who’s a fan of track knows that it’s like a third-class citizen compared to football, basketball or even hockey. I’m wondering if this influx of talent could possibly increase awareness and interest here simply because incredible, record-breaking performances are happening, or is it less interesting because now people feel less connected?
All of that being said, there’s also been plenty of amazing performances from home grown talent in recent years like Sydney, Athing, Britton Wilson, JaVaughn Harrison, Trey Cunningham, Abby Steiner and others. It’s not just the Julien Alfred’s and Rhasidat Adeleke’s and Fahnbulleh’s of the world doing everything.
I totally agree on both sides. I don’t mind the USA vs the World feel things have taken on. I just wish we could highlight the international flavor a bit more. It’s almost like the best college teams might as well just be training groups for some of the worlds top young athletes, regardless of nationality.
Interesting perspective. I think the point you missed making (or made implicitly) is that the NCAA is the "Worlds Jr". It is not specifically "national" anymore. Only "national" (geographic) as in National Colleges (technically not Collegiate) Athletic Association.
Great points! And I think some are missing it in that it’s become more prevalent of late. I don’t think you said it’s never happened before. I ran against some top flight American born HS bred athletes, and I also ran against some top foreign athletes. Earned my scholarship just the same, but it’s clear to see it’s different now. I think that’s the point of the video.
Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it! It does appear that more international athletes, than ever before are coming to the NCAA and dominating when they do.
@@SCATrackandField Keep up the great work, I enjoy the commentary and the voice you’ve given our sport!
Since the NCAA forbids athletes to earn money and America does not support athletes financially and other countries do
Thank you for bringing up this important topic. I was complaining about this at the time of the NCAA championships on other sites. I don't think we should be passing over US citizens and we could do better if we trained OUR OWN instead of just snapping up the proven athletes from elsewhere. We are giving valuable scholarships to others when our own young men and women should be supported. It's not like the poverty level is not great and growing here at home.
As to team championships, in the NCAA they should NOT count points won by other countries, IMO.
STOP THIS PRACTICE WHICH IS DEPRIVING OUR OWN PEOPLE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THEIR TALENTS!
Surely, you understand that poverty in a "first-world" nation is very different from poverty in the "Third World." Also, do you think they are "developing" talents from other parts of the world out of the kindness of their hearts?
Foreign runners are allowed to compete and train in Jamaica. Zarnel Hughes is from Britain, but train and run unaffiliated in professional sprint races in Jamaica, and the Jamaican people cheers when he wins.
@@star.traffick8390 That's fine. I'm not against them practicing or competing here but I am against them taking up scholarships that our own young people deserve and positions on our NATIONAL university teams. I am against allowing them to score points for OUR universities in the team standings. Why do we call it our NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Association championships? What do you think the "N" stands for in NCAA?
Relay team records are already not accepted for world records if there are members on the team from more than one country.
Nobody is depriving your “own people from developing their talents “.kids in the U.S gravitates to sports that have big payouts (NBA,NFL) and if universities weren’t benefiting from giving out scholarships they wouldn’t do it
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*What a joke, you mention one athlete as though that is comparable to what's going on in the U.S. college system. Just Be Quiet!*
On the men's side I think we lose a lot of good HS sprinters to football when it comes to college. Just from my own experience coaching at the HS level most of the best throwers chose to play linemen in college and gave up track after HS. It was basically just a way to stay in shape during the off season. At the D1 level sports are big business and having a winner on the field is all that really matters. Does this cost opportunities for some borderline D1 runners getting a chance to get a scholarship? Yes, but if you are decent you can probably get something at a lower level and have just as much fun since you have a shot at winning races.
This isn't just track & field, let alone sports anymore. This is the entire world economy. Look at the current jobs market right now. You're not just competing with US applicants. Employers and investors are looking across the world for talent.
So while your observation is valid, it's not a problem per se. In regards to T&F, what the US needs to do is improve (probably overhaul) the pipeline. Kids don't are more likely to move to then real revenue-generating sports (football, basketball, tennis, golf, and more). Track & field doesn't make real money.
And all these American colleges make mega $$ from the foreign student athletes.
Why shouldn't the athletes be dominated with foreign students when the classrooms have been for years. College athletes is COLLEGE!! These are foreign students ALL over campus. Experiencing life. Sharing culture. So damn what! It is not the job of college athletes to be the proxy for Team USA Athletics. If Team USA wants to develop a sports program to develop youth ... go right ahead. NCAA should have nothing to do with this xenophobic, nationalist Ron DeSantis b.s. that you are stressing. (Ok you didn't go full DeSantis, but you were getting off on the same exit.) Damn that. It like people see the N in NCAA and think the government owns it. We over hear talkin' like we are training our damn enemies or something. Its sport, not war. Jeez. Foreign athletes only compete as a teams against the U.S. at Worlds... and at the Olympics. That is 2x every 4 years. And that's a problem for an entire college experience? 2 meets every 4 years that we are training our "enemies" for? WTF are we talking about here people. It not that deep.
Bravo, sir. Bravo. Also, if we really want to tell the truth, many of the foreign athletes do not go on to have long or successful careers. By the time their American universities are done with them, many are too burned out to be of any service to their national teams.
@Prodigalzson
First off, the classrooms are not dominated by foreign students. Furthermore, in the classrooms these foreign students are paying their own way.
When it comes to EXTRACURRICULAR activities such as athletics as many of our young citizens as show potential have both the NEED and the RIGHT to get assistance from Universities which receive untold amounts of tax support from US citizens. Do you think college is free? Not getting scholarships is not only denying young people needed assistance, it is also discouraging would be athletes at lower levels like high school. Why try to be the best you can be if you realize you will be stopped when you can't afford college without a scholarship which is going to someone from another country who is already getting support from their own country's tax dollars?
Many of these foreign athletes are double dippers.
Why should our students bother to put out all that effort when their only chance without that scholarship will be to try to get a job to make expenses and tuition?
No one is saying that competitors are enemies. I am not asking to have them shot for Heaven's sakes. I am merely asking that we develop our own talent and let their countries develop their own talent. This should be obvious.
IT'S NOT THAT DEEP!
Feel free to develop your own talent. Go ahead and start the "Make America Fast Again" Track club if you want to. Nobody is stopping you. I just don't agree that should be the job of colleges. In fact... it is against the very concept of sharing knowledge that colleges are based on. (I agree that nobody is talking about actual war.) It is just that when we as American use the College environment to hoard things for ourselves (knowledge, coaching strategies, whatever) we diminish the open, collaborate, sharing environment that makes college special. Do you realize how many of the faculty at American colleges are foreign born? What you gonna tell them? Come teach at my school, but your track star kid can't run for our team because they aren't American enough? Really? Is that your plan? If so, good luck with that.
@@sherwood9917 That thought is a very positive notion. In truth, most athletes do not achieve success to any large degree as professionals where just getting in the Finals is highly competitive, let alone winning them.
@@Prodigalzson I agree with you that we should not hoard knowledge. I just feel that if we don't change the name from "NATIONAL" Collegiate Athletic Association we are being deluded. What is NATIONAL about international competition?
I also believe that it would enable more of our young people a better chance in life if they got the help and not outsiders.
However in a respectable society, all of our citizens would be aided in developing their potential not just the most talented.
You should do a video giving your opinion on athletes are born in or grow up in America then choosing to represent foreign nations for international competitions. The rules that govern that are completely ridiculous in my opinion.
Thank you for your comment. I really appreciate it. The room is actually pretty simple as far as I understand it. If one of your parents were born in that country you can still claim it for international competition. For example, if a Nigerian family immigrate to the US, the child they have cam compete for Nigeria. But their grandchildren will not be eligible if both parents are now American born.
Not sure if either of these two played on USA college teams, but: Mondo Duplantis, the world record holder in the pole vault. Born and raised in Louisiana but vaults for Sweden where his mom was born/raised. Naomi Osaka the female tennis player who represents Japan, she was born/raised in the USA but her mom is Japanese. One who DID was JAsmine Camacho-Quinn, the 100m hurdler who's representing Puerto Rico in the World Championships 2023 and won the last Olympics 100m hurdles. She was born in Charleston SC, Puerto Rican mother, went to Univ of Kentucky.
How many current collegiate athletes made the US team? Very little as usual
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@deyanwatson3235
What do you mean the US is not hungry anymore? We have poverty levels and homelessness that place people in the same boat as the poor anywhere else in the world. Our young people need hope, opportunity and a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How many current members of the US team were stars in the NCAA? Coleman, Lyles, Norman and many more.
With more support for developing athletes and the hope of getting more scholarships we could have more make the National team.
Hello sir are u a collegiate coach?
I used to be a college coach yes.
Love to see it tbh
Thank you for the comment. I don't see it as a positive or negative, but it makes a big difference for HS recruits in the states looking for scholarships.
But if universities were not benefitting from the foreign talent then they wouldn't recruit. US cant play victim. These kids raise the buzz for their universities so its a win win for both simple🎉🎉🎉
N remember iton sharpens iron. Get the best by world to help sharpen your kids. Its has helped NCAA build extra buzz
@who_me4321 No one is "playing" victim. Our US athletes ARE VICTIMS. They cannot afford college without scholarships!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet we give it to someone will take the money and run right back home because it is easier for them to get on their national teams and because that's where there loyalty's lie.
An intelligent and courageous presentation of the "international takeover" in NCAA track and field which is a microcosm of the takeover in process now on a global level of all sovereign nations...here comes the CBDC!
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I predicted this in the late 80s…your late coach. US is not hungry anymore …so the world will eat….The same is happening in the NBA.
@deyanwatson3235
What do you mean the US is not hungry anymore? We have poverty levels and homelessness that place people in the same boat as the poor anywhere else in the world. Our young people need hope, opportunity and a brighter future!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sports hunger….the desire to win…bee the best at what you do…that world has caught up and passing America ….why are US coaches recruiting from other countries and not from their own backyard…
@@deyanwatson3235 Exactly. How can Texas be so arrogant when they used athletes from other countries and not even from their homeland? What does their governor think about this?
This is about more NCAA trophies in their show case.
@@deyanwatson3235 You're so right! I propose a compromise. They can have a trophy for the team that gets the most points from using foreign born athletes and another trophy for the team that gets the most points using only US Citizen athletes. I bet they could afford another trophy, any way, right?
you are 50 years too late.
I love your channel but this reeks of mini-xenophobia!
@deeplyingplaymaker8804t
How is it xenophobic to put our own citizens first using the tax dollars we pay to our universities? Why should we deny that investment to our own citizens? Scholarship support is essential for them to attend universities and to get the training opportunities required to be all they can be.
Why do you think we have the highest incarceration rates in the world? Could it be possible that we could lower the rates of incarceration and recidivism if we would devote more opportunities, time, energy and resources to young people so that they have alternatives to crime and drug addiction? Many young people here have the potential to be great track and field athletes but we are not attempting to develop that potential systematically through support, encouragement and financial incentives.
Instead, colleges just want to brag about scoring the most points in OUR NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Association's championships. Where is our sense of obligation to maximize our own citizens' aspirations, ambitions and talents? These institutions just want to take the easy way out by getting already developed athletes.
Our Preamble to the Constitution states that one of our government's goals is to Promote the General Welfare of our citizenry. To accomplish this is a worthy and challenging goal and we should NOT be neglecting any and all efforts to do so.
We don't need to supplant citizens living here with imports to prove we are not xenophobes. It is quite obvious that we are already a nation made up of people from all over the world.
I appreciate your response. I am a recruiting coach so I support athletes looking for scholarship offers. I’m not opposed to international athletes. That said most HS kids aren’t aware how competitive it really is to get 1. And this is a major reason why.
@@SCATrackandField I guess a lot of kids aren't motivated to such dedication.
I would like to research to find out a ball park figure as to how many potential college track team members from here are getting scholarships and how many can't get them.