Naval Legends: Georgios Averof
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Nestled among pearly the white luxury super yachts of Athens, is the world’s last remaining heavily armored cruiser of the 20th century and living monument to Greek history, RHNS Georgios Averof. Were it not for the budgetary constraints of the Italian government, and the will and testimony of a deceased, but generous benefactor, the Greek navy could have looked a lot different from the one that were equipped to dominate the waves in the First Balkan War, and help resist Nazi Germany in both World Wars.
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Ok boys let's see how many people want a historical movie with Averof
I actually would die for an Battle of Lemnos movie,cause this battle would be so sick in amovie
@@thatblackpinkboy220 ya but i want a tsuhima battle and Trafalgar
Thorin The OakenShield I agree 👍
@@kingextorp2478 yep or mikasa or victory all are famous and museums victory in Britain mikasa in Japan and averof in greece
@@dannymiller3315 I think there is an old like 80's-90's movie of the battle of Tsushima
the hull and armor are Italian
the boilers and engines are French
the generators are German
the armament is British
but most importantly:
the crew and captain are Greek
Exactly!
You are right the ship is Greek but as a Greek i would feel much better if we make our own ship
(Ok averof is a battleship and it was very expensive but if you see now a days Greece they don't even make cars😔)
exactly ...and the Greek fighters kicked the turks in the ass , out of Europe and Aegean Sea ....hahahahaha..... eyvallah
@@gonter875 and we erased the thousands of years of greek presence in Anatolia and Thrace.
Goodbye
@@TheIronHordesman2are you proud of that? Genocide is nothing to be proud of. And the comment above yours is stating what happened during the wars
How many ships do you need to defeat the Turkish fleet.
Averof : Yes!
LOL
I think just one Limnos F451...wait and we will see videos and photos really soon.
@@m.kotsifis2719 Long live the crew of F451, and the captain: IOANNIS EPAKOUMVITIS
Ένα και καλό πλέον φοβούνται τα υποβρύχια..... σσσσσσσ
Vatalator και Pavlos Karoustas κλαιω απο τα γελια ,ειστε μαλακες τελος!Χαχαχχαχαχα.ΕΤΣΙΙΙΙ !!!!!!!
Virgin Bismarck
-Outdated
-Had shitty air defense
-Died in WW2 to outdated Torpedo Bombers
Chad Averof
-Continued in service for over a century
-Ripped apart Turkish fleets
-Carried the hopes and dreams of Hellas
-Lost only two crew
All the powerful warships of old were destroyed! The Hood, the Bismarck, the Yamato & Musashi, all went down to their watery graves! But the all-mighty Averof fought victoriously in 5 wars and still stands today after a century as a testimony of its glory and power! The most epic battleship of all time!
How was the Bismarck outdated? It was the peak of battleship technology and one-shotted the British flagship, Hood.
@@colonelsmith7757 Massive battleships were outdated. Battlecruisers and Carriers were much better.
@@HailNeatoBurrito battlecruisers were equally outdated. The reduction in armor made it faster, but it also made it more vulnerable to bombs, torpedoes, and large caliber guns. Battlecruisers were great at raiding convoy ships, but destroyers and submarines could do the job just as well, but at a significantly lower price.
@@colonelsmith7757 double gun turrets were outdated by this point
Fun Fact : The Greek Navy is also called "The Invincible Hellenic Navy" because from the ancients times there is no record's of the Greeks losing a naval battle to another nation (this goes from WW2 all the way back to the battle of Salamis).Also , Averof's nickname is "The lucky uncle George" because of his risky style of fighting and the fact that he survived 5 wars
Being interested in military, I've always been into Mediterranean countries and their previous battles, conflicts. But this situation brings me that question, how Aegean Sea was under Turkish control for hundreads of years, if Greeks were always victorious? I ask that, I don't know the answer since I'm not into Aegean history.
@@eyesofbattle6488 We lost the in the land not in the seas even after the fall of byzantium a lot of ships became ''pirates''/brigands and stayed that way up until the war of independence
@@eyesofbattle6488 The Byzantine navy was abandoned before the first siege of Constantinople... After the Macedonian dynasty, the emperors were not great leaders ...They gave the conttrol of naval trade to Venice, they destruyed the economy and they just wanted to be emperors so they could party..This lead to the demolition of the the great Byzantine navy..thrn the piratesnstarted raiding the islands..than Constantinople fell to the Latins and the remaining parts tried to create an army to oratect their self and to take back their former capital...No one gave a shit about the navy so there wasnt any..thats why the turks later took control of the Aegean without any real and organized resistance
Also no unit ever surrendered.
in ancient times there was a naval battle between the greeks and the carthagenians + etruscans
which the greeks won while being very very outnumbered but then they left because they knew they didn't have enough ships to win another battle
109 years in service, 5 wars and she had only 2 crew member dead and 8 wooded. WOW!!
YEAH 2 DIED 8 WOODED, WOW
12:00
400 Turks were killed in action.
1000 wounded.
(this was not included in the translation although the Greek Captain said that)
Greek fleet bro
8 crew members mutated into trees
The Averof was infront of the Dreadnought war ship's a small frigate but for her dimensions extremely well equipped insane firepower and good trained crew ho fight the Turks outside of the Aegean Sea for 60 Years.
This ships deserves a place in the game because it has everything: A true heroic story, a legendary captain and it belongs to the country with the largest commercial fleet in the world! Give to the Greek people their national treasure!
Yes it does hopefully soon
If it was made it would either be sealclubbing in low tier or trash in high tier.
@@ya7ioo Sealclubing it is!! We have much more rediculus ships in mid/high tier...i dont get how a real ship will hurt the game. 200mm while showing bradside is a joke for battleships of tier4 and highier... It had non exiatent AA in 1911 configuration and no torps in 1925 configuration... 24 knots is really crappy for anything that isnt a dreadnaught... The only strength i trully see is that upper deck armor that is tier 10 equilivant... Making it god tier brauler...they could balance it by other giving him bad gun dispersion, bad torpedo protection or bad firing angles (where you either use 3 turrets or get punished by citadels while broadside). In my opinion...a brauler, identical to NC would be amazing in tier 4 or 5...after that, i find it unfair technology wise for Averof to deal with ships like Nagato, Sharnhorst, Belfast etc.
HMS Velos deserves a spot in game as well. Greece has some fantastic ships that could round out a Swedish heavy tech tree.
@@jaredw9171 Velos is just a fletcher DD...nothing special about it... Also the story behind it is embarasing.... I would rather see another multinational greek ship. The Vasilissa Olga, a G class Destroyer with German guns and British hull. It was the most successful allied destroyer in the Mediterenean until 1943 where she was sunk...
The entire world in 19xx : This is an armored cruiser
The Greeks : this is a battleship
The world : no,it is a cru---
the Greeks : BATTLE-SHIP!
v
vai
Γάμησες φιλαράκο!!
Larger armroed cruisers were on par with 2nd class battleships (pre drednoughts), sometimes even 1st class ones.
We just call it Battleship anyway, it was the best shit we got.
As a former Hellenic Navy destroyer engineer, and a Greek member of our proud WoWs community,
I want to express our deepest gratitudes for this mini-documentary about this True Naval Legend of our century!
Thank you WG! 🇬🇷⚓️🇬🇷⚓️🇬🇷 o7
excuse me, can i ask you a question? i have a little curious about the relationship between cruiser Georgios Averof and president Georgios Papandreou.
@@yuxiangmeng7898 there is none.Georgios(Yorgos) means George.Georgios is the most common name in greece
Έλληνες είμαστε εδω;;;
@@yuxiangmeng7898 Yes indeed. Prime Minister, in exile, Georgios Papandreou came to Greece again, aboard Averof, in October 1944.
@@yuxiangmeng7898 @Gerasimos Seriatos Gerasimos answer is correct, but there is another secret connection between Averof and Papandreou! Georgios Papandreou was imprisoned in the "Averof" prisons institution in 1942 (a reformational prison built by G. Averof in 1892), after Germans arrested him for publishing an illegal anti-Nazi resistance newspaper, called "Eleftheria" (Freedom) ! So the same name "Averof" first imprisoned him and then liberated him !
Salutes to the Greek and their proud maritime tradition, this ship is fitting towards it!
My father served as an officer on the Averof from 1939-1946
My grandfather too. I have heard from him many stories taken place therein.
@Antonios wow! you must be around 70-75 years old, then. :)
Πρεπει να εισαι περιφανος αδερφε!
grateful for his service! ελλας ή τεφρα!
I felt honored reading this.
Remember Greece historically always had some of the best sailor in the world , the Greek islands are full of these sailors.Its not only the equipment but the talent of the sailors.
*were full unfortunately. Nowadays the islands are being abandoned and only serve as tourist harbors with the dwindling young population of the country leaving for the capital or abroad. I come from such an island and it's honestly depressing.
I think this story would make an amazing Hollywood movie. 1 ship vs an entire navy repeatedly and always emerging victorious.
This is truly a great idea!
@tsolias27 Big reputation regarding soap operas about the tragedy of a housewife's yoghurt going sour, her rich husband cheating on her with a goat or something.
Our "Turkish friend's " name the AVEROF after the first battle "saitan papor" meaning the " ship of the bevil "...... You can imagine why ....
I would like to see such a movie. A classic underdog style movie. Another great story worthy of a good movie is the battle of "Hill 731" during ww2. The hill is now called hill 726, due to the mountain loosing approximately 5 meters of height after some 100.000 canon and mortar cells were fired at it.
@Megalo Ebenikis as you write "he suggests" , can you find a fact for this ? If you cant dont write "suggested stories " just to say something bad . Also Georgios Averof paid lot of money on charity in the greek community in soudan Egypt and Greece . And these are not " suggested stories" but TRUE STORIES . the unfortunately thing is that the money he give were only for one ship . Imagine if we had 2.....! Poor turks
My grandfather served this war ship as an artillery operator
in both world wars. He was born in 1898 and passed out at the age of 92 years old.. Very proud
Αθάνατος !
A greek cruiser against an ottoman fleet is a Thermopylae scenario. The Greeks are very experienced seamen and always on the right side of history. You can always rely on these, much to the disappointment of their neighbours.
Averof: "exists"
Turkish navy: Why do i hear boss music?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Ercüment Çözer what about east Thrace hmhmmh the dardaneles are in the sea
@Ercüment Çözer I really hope I could if the Americans didn't stop us. I really hope.
@Ercüment Çözer We will , to make yours Mongol boy.
@Ercüment Çözer it will be your grave* learn proper english before you try to start an argument
And this gentlemen is why the Aegean Sea is Greek
In your dream...
@@mcoskuntr it already is
@NODS PRUDUCTIONS S in that case pretty embarrassing for the Greek navy that Turkish navy and merchants fleet pass and do what they want every day. Of course, the Islands sea does not belong to Greece and this is just a dream will be so forever. In time the world will see that fact as well. You can only post it here and hope that it becomes a reality.
@@mcoskuntr the turkish fleet and merchant ships come and go in these waters due to international terms and agreements that include many of the mediterenean countries. Now i know its dificult to convice a Turk in matters of international relations so i propose you read a book or two. We hear the international proposals and not those of a country (Turkey) that keeps invading nearby nations and has made clear that in anytime will invade Greece also.
@@tg1095gr International law is a matter convenience for Greece. Turkey uses the international waters in the Islands sea to perform these activities. Greece has no right other than conveniently trying to manuplate the internation law. I certainly do read and suggest you do the same. Turkey does not claim the whole sea but Greece has the audacity to do exactly that. Treaty of Lausanne created a situation where all the countries could use this sea without having to involve any neighboring countries. Greece is trying to change this fact and block Turkey's exit to the international waters. We will NOT allow it! That is why this will always be a dream and if anyone tries to change this fact there will be a price, very dear indeed, to pay.
Two more stories about admiral Kountouriotis which demonstrate his daring, heroic character and his patriotism.
After the Battle of Elli the Greek goverment congratulated but also admonished the admiral because ''he exposed the most modern and valuable ship of the fleet to great danger''. He answered that ''the battleships are intented for use in battle'' and ''possible damage or destruction must not discourage us from the nessesary actions.''
In 1913 the Ottomans bought a super dreadnought which was under construction in Great Britain by Armstrong Whitworth (It was the Rio de Janeiro ordered initially for the Brazilian navy). This alarmed the Greek goverment as with this ship the Ottomans would take the upper hand and another war would possibly break out. Kountouriotis went to prime minister Venizelos with a plan: he will take a torpedo boat and wait in the open sea near Gibraltar and as the ship is coming from Britain ''I will nail her with two torpedoes and sent her to hell. Of course after that you will have to disown me and dismiss me from office (I don't care) , Greece will pay reparations but Turkey even if all hell break out will be unable to move against us'' (the words are exact). Venizelos freaked out with such a daring proposition and didn't answer. However, the WW I shortly broke out and the ship was consficated by the British authorities and entered service as the HMS Agincourt.
Legend.
Thank you for the info theodogeo
Kountouriotis the first YOLOer!!!
Averof : I just defeated a entire fleet by my self
Bismark : But I destroyed the Battle cruiser hood
Yamato : I didn't even get to fight any other battleships
Next up in your Balkan war news:
Local armoured cruiser litterally too angry to die
Too lucky to die
This is battleships btw and is one shot with the new guns BUT IM FROM GREECE AND I LOVE THIS SHIP I HAVE GO AND VISIT IT 4 TIMES
@@wlgandreaskal4820 Not a battleship, an armoured cruiser.
@@antony9956 it is a battleship
@@Lefteris_mel No, no it isn't
I'm happy that the Greeks honor their naval heritage. She's in much better shape than the USS Olympia.
She's a beautiful old lady. I had the pleasure of touring her last September. She's a treasure the Hellenic Navy and citizens of Greece can be and rightfully are, proud of. As a retired RCN sailor, l know how much has gone into her upkeep and it shows she's lovingly cared for and in good hands. If you ever get a chance to visit her, do so.
Are you really a gurka? I didnt know they serverd under the Canadian flag as well!
@@giorgosprodromidis3082 no, l don't have that honour. And, no, we're not fortunate enough to have them. They do come here to train, but that's it.
Lady???!!!!! Look, to us Greeks Averof is a "he", there's a reason why we call him "Lucky Uncle George".
@spirospagiatis4731 yes, I understand. No offense meant on my behalf, we call ships ladies in our navy and culture. Force of habit, I'm afraid.
finally! An actual Naval Legend.
True that
@Μεγάλη εβενικής the neefak seeder I was talking about the ship, not the namesake person.
Just to demonstrate the level of confidence Rear Admiral Kountouriotis had in his ability to defeat the Turkish fleet : When the Hellenic Navy liberated the islands and commenced a blockade of the Dardaneles, they captured a merchand vessel transporting coal for the supply of the Turkish fleet. Kountouriotis telegraphed the Turks, informing them that he was waiting for them to come out of the straits to engage in combat, and if their fight was on delay due to coal shortage in their fleet, he would make arrangements for the delivery of coal in order to have that fight!!!!
LOL
Damn spartans! lol
Game over!
I now know why memes like this is sparta are all ways going around
Whoa whoa man this not a bra factory this is naval war
12:00
400 Turks were killed in action.
1000 wounded.
(this was not included in the translation although the Greek Captain said that)
They werent mention that turkish fleet was consisted of pre dradnought Battleships that are no match for Averof also Coastal batteries dosent enter the Battle at all? Liars what they want from Historical truth?
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 I think they did, they said that Averof was superior.
@@ylmazirdenyazc8393 Averof was also a pre dreadnaught design. After the launch of Dreadnaught and especially the launch of Invinsible the armourd cruisers were replaced by the battlecruisers. Averof was not a battlecruiser, but an armoured cruiser of the pre dreadnaught ara - the last of its kind. You need to learn naval history first before making these comments
@@104d_3rr0r_vince but there was no crossfire of Coastal Batteries due to economic crisis of Balkan Wars Planned modernization of the Coastal Batteries werent happened so at entire battle they didnt have Enough range to participate
@@nikosparaskevopoulos2219 Averof was Not a Pre Dreadnought She was Launched at 1910 and Dreadnought Launched at 1906 there is Four years between Two Ships and Averof also not his last kind Russians Producing Armored Cruiser Projects though non of them manage to build because of WW1 Germany used his Armored Crusers Extensively Against Russians at baltic sea while hiding their Dradnoughts and Battlecruisers Against Royal Navy and Averof was One of 3 Pisa class Italian Armored Cruisers so you cant say they were outdated this Ships were the main fire power of western Colonies while Battleships and Battlecruisers were served mostly at home waters Armored and Protected Cruisers were serving at Colonies.
In my opinion this legendary ship incarnates the following moto perfectly.
"Μέγα γάρ το τῆς θαλάσσης κράτος", a phrase difficult to translate elegantly, roughly meaning,
"The rule" or "command of the sea is indeed a great matter" or "of great importance".
It rightfully deserves to be in the game with honors! Ζήτω ο Αβέρωφ!
bad translation
@nyhunter256 S. you're wrong ; the initial translation is correct.
@nyhunter256 S. The initial literal translation is correct: "Great is the power of the Sea"
"Kratos" here means power in the sense of raw power. Don't forget that in Greek mythology the two enforcers of Zeus were Kratos (=Power) and Via (=Violence).
@@FotisZafeiropoulos " power of the sea" is wrong. bad translation
it tsanslates as
"its a great thing to have naval dominance. " ( naval power)
More accurately it means: "Great thing (Mega) to have dominance (Kratos) over the sea (To Tis Thalassis)".
It’s amazing how well maintained and how much care is put into that ship. You can see that the ship is loved. I just wish many others saw the same.
Meanwhile British Sell their Battleships into a naval junkyard
@@jadeorbigoso5212 The only pre ww1 British built battleship is in Japan.
its hard to describe what Averof is for the Greeks, but its something like Bismark and Yamato. But much bigger. The Averof very soon became the symbol of the Nation, causing Greeks in every island to rise as they saw it coming. When it docked in the sea of Marmara it was almost a fullfillment of Destiny.
In any case, this ship will not die. As long as Greece exists so will it
It is a ship than alone turned the tides of a war. A ship that wherever it sailed gave hope and courage to my fellow countrymen. A ship that carried the king and the government. The "Sword of Mediterrenean Sea", "Seitan Papor", undefeated in battle, it is Argo in flesh.
Impressive history. I want to visit Greece someday. Thanks, WG.
Came in beautiful Greece
Where are you from????
@@thanosdenesakis1005 Philippines
@@codyshann I am from Greece try to read this γειά σου
@@thanosdenesakis1005 It's hello. Hi there.
I'm filipino, I respect this ship.
I am from Mars,I respect earth 🌎 and it's weird peoples
Ok
I respect your picture
@kosta203 says kosta the gae lover
I like how a gaming company makes a better history lesson than my own damn highschool teachers.
Γιατί δεν μας τα έμαθαν αυτά έλεος.
@bk cross to kserw bre de peftw gia tetoia ithela na paiksw mazi tou
@@greyser6007 ixeres oti o Adonai Georgiades anike se masoniki stoa onomati "skenderbei"?
@bk cross δες εδώ τι γράφουν
@@kyriakoschristodoulou2059 ήξερες ότι λες μαλακίες;
1: οι στοές δεν παίρνουν τέτοια ονόματα
2: η αδελφότης ελευθεροτεκτόνων είναι πολύ απλά ένα club D'n'D για boomers.
May be taking a trip to Greece next summer. I really want to see this.
It's the only Armed Cruise that still exists today!
@Παναγιώτης Παπαδόπουλος Yep, next to trireme Olympias
Right beside Averof is the trireme Olympias, you get to see two legendary ships in one go.
I’ve been and it’s damn awesome
I visited the ship a few moths ago. It was great.
Thank you for this documentary. As Herodotus said: we have land and country when we have ships and sea”
🇬🇷 Respect Hellenic Navy 🇬🇷
Currently serving as a sailor there. What an honor. I love this ship !
On behalf the greek people we deeply thank you for this mini documentary!!
"on behalf" mate.
on behalf γραφεται αδερφε μου
"Με την δύναμιν του θεου και τας ευχάς του βασιλέως και εν ονόματι του δικαίου, πλέω μεθ'ορμής ακαθέκτου και με την πεποίθησιν της νίκης εναντίον του εχθρού του εθνους."
Kountouriotis 3-12-1912
Proud to be Greek! Ready to fight till the last drop of my blood for my freedom anytime any day,today!🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
That is one heck of a ship for any nation to have
lucky that she wasn’t scrap unlike warspite or enterprise F
As a former sailor of frigate Elli this video gave me goosebumps. Everyone who likes naval history should read the story of destroyer Adrias durring WW2. Adrias bow was destroyed by a naval mine and 21 men killed and 30 wounded but was able to reach the port of Alexandria without any repairs.
As a former crew of Frigate Adrias the destroyer Adrias lost its bow went to then neutral Turkey shore where they cement the compartments that were exposed due to the loss of the bow and then sail off for Alexandria! Still it was a heroic feat of the crew!
@@PETER99696 I know but let those who are interested to do some search. Δεν το παίζω έξυπνος αλλά είναι όλα στο διαδίκτυο όποιος ενδιαφέρεται θα το ψάξει.
@@giannispapadogiannis214 Έχεις δίκιο φίλε μου.Ποια σειρά ήσουν ναύτης στο Ελλη?
@@PETER99696 97E
12:02 missed from the english translation, in the battle of Lemnos the Turks suffered more than 400 dead and 1000 wounded crewmen.
In the wikipedia article about the battle, the Turk losses are stated as 41 killed and 104 wounded, with 3 ships damaged. But I'm not sure, if I can trust this article, since it says, that the Greek losses were only one wounded and in the video they say, that there were two killed on the Averoff.
The Turks managed to get all of their ships back to the port though.
@Athan asios και τι σχεση εχει αν εχουν γραφεια στην κυπρο;
@Athan asiosΕγω καταλαμβαινω πως υπονοεις οτι επειδη εχουν γραφεια στην Κυπρο φοβουνται να μιλησουν κατα των τουρκων
Pavlos Kountouriotis, the Admiral of Aegean Sea
and one spicy boi
@Megalo Ebenikis we are talking about the ship bro
@Megalo Ebenikis he paid for half
I didn't see it mentioned in the video, so a little detail: During the battle of Lemnos, Kountouriwths raised the Zulu flag (yes, the one in the game) to signal to his fleet "I am engaging at full speed!"
he raised the signal Zulu, it had the meaning as they planned, "independent" action of the flagship" from the older coastal battleships which they were not to folow him but retain their original plan, in this case the battleship "Hydra" would lead the battleship line.
Just like the japanese raised the zulu flag on the Battle of Tsushima
Add averof to the game with rear admiral kountouriotis as commander with special skill!!!
At what tier would it fit though? I think tier 4-5.
And how many of its guns would be the main battery? Only the 234s? Or both the 234s and the 190mm?
@@davidandmartinealbon3155 Based on other already ingame ships from the same era, it would be T3. And only the 234s would be main guns, and 190 mm ones as secondary, like the Mikasa.
@@davidandmartinealbon3155 Both! Averof had smaller secondaries as well... I would either uptier all the guns to 234mm or downgrade all of them to 190-200mm... I dont see the guns being the issue, the Deck is 50mm thick...Kurfurst has this kind of deck...
@@StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe No ships in game have 190mm secondaries, not even T10 battleships. If she ever comes into the game, they need to implement the 190mms as part of the main armament. WG doesnt like manual control of small guns, because their rock paper scissor game mechanic will break and nothing could stand against battleships in the open, as in reality. But they cannot make 190mm as secondaries either.
@@kapasvonkapas So you basicly don't understand the game mechanics.
If BBs would get secondaries as main guns it wouldn't be stronger, it would be unplayable to a single player.
In real life they were all controlled by many group of people with own rangefinders.
Different turret rotations and reload times would make the players job stupidly harder.
If a BB player spam DD with secondary then accidentally fire main guns or main turret turn away where you aim with secondaries so you can't aim in time. BBs wouldn't be stronger, they would be unplayable punchbags.
And there are already 155 mm secondaries ingame, a few 190 mm wouldn't change anything with 3km only range.
Even Mikasa in Tier 2 has 150 mm secondaries.
What an absolutely gorgeous ship. That ship looks crazy modern for being commissioned barely beyond 1900. I know modern battleships don’t look that different from afar from WWII ships, but WWI ships usually do look really ancient.
9.2” guns with an 8 second reload?! YES PLEASE.
it's a 36 second reload divided into 4 barrels
@@gbm.03 8 sec reload for each barrel so each barrel takes 8 sec to reload doesn't it?
@@gbm.03 32 re pitouro
He said 8 seconds PER BARREL.
@@CastleBravo023 if they reloaded in 36 secs the writer would've just said 36 secs, as not to confuse anyone
it's just based on how you look at it, really.
On August 12, 2020 The Hellenic frigate Limnos was sailing near Oruc Reis [ a Turkish petroleum survey ship] when it came into the path of one of the Turkish naval escorts, the Kemal Reis - Barbaros-class frigate.
The Greek frigate maneuvered into a head-on collision with the Turkish Barbaros-class frigate [among the most modern frigates in the Turkish Navy], and in the process its bow smashed the rear of the Turkish frigate, according to Reuters sources.
Hellenic Navy Commander of the Hellenic frigate Limnos - Captain Ioannis Salaries, was commended by Hellenic Defense Minister Defense Minister Nikos Panagiotopoulos regarding the incident which occurred while the Turkish Oruc Reis survey ship was moving between Cyprus and the Greek island of Crete, shadowed by a number of Greek frigates. During their brief talk over the radio, Commander Ioannis Salaries told Panagiotopoulos that he had done his duty.
GREECE - TURKEY 1-0.
Hellenic Navy over 3000 years is in charge in these waters
TRUE FACT, HELLENIC NAVY IS UNDEFEATED IN ALL OF ITS HISTORY. NOT ONLY AVEROF.
tbf one of the reasons for it was our... ehem... tactical retreat during WW2.
True.
P.S : I am Greek 🇬🇷
@@nickkorkodylas5005 Well, do what? Stay and get bombed by german aircraft? Or worse captured? There was minimal naval conflict within greek waters since german presence was just submarines that hunted merchants mainly after the greek capitulation and the italian navy was very busy with Britain especially after the raid of Taranto.
@@TheGentleUncle I'm just saying, the main reason Hellenic Navy has such a good battle record since the Persian Wars is because its officers always knew how to exploit the main advantage of a maritime warforce, which is mobility, demonstrated at its peak with the Orlov's Revolt and the Independence War were Ottoman flagships and even entire ship formations were counter-Allahu-ackbared with semi-expendable (previously merchant) bomb-sailboats.
There's a good reason Averof is called a "battleship" by Greeks, since she is a relative anomaly in the usual Hellenic Navy dogma of mobility over armour, firepower and staying power, and an armoured cruiser, though nimbler than battleships, battlecruisers and heavy cruisers, is likely still well above the expected Hellenic Navy displacement requirements for a combat ship, don't forget it was an opportunistic purchase.
@@nickkorkodylas5005 Couldn't follow your text after "counter-allahu-ackbared",
that was hilarious!!! Great stuff, and now we have the captain of F451:
"Ioannis Epakoumvitis"
It's good to have these old ships preserved, the Averof, the Mikasa, the Aurora and the few others still in existence. What a great history this one has!
Wow, the oldest serving pre-dreadnought warship in history, amazing. It is truly a national treasure, in fact its more than that. This ship has seen the dawn of the 20th century and is still here in the 21th century. Thats over a hundred years of world history.
I remember visiting this ship. Truly a sight to behold as a fellow greek
No wonder it's called "the great nation of the sea" and averof just reminds me of the Syracusa I just imagine how incredible it looked like when it departed from Syracuse to Alexandria imagine all the crowds gathering to look at the queen of the seas 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Great This, is a historic really heroic Battleship. Worth for its history and make Greeks pride. This Ship and his naval fights, remember us, the rich naval history of Greece. It is remember me, that the Hellenism was, is and I'm sure, they remain the rulers of the east Mediterranean Sea. The Greeks, instead of other cultures, did not build ships only to carry out soldiers and wars. Their Voyages has was not only carry trade goods, the Greek culture, technology... They was explorer and adventurer. They share their findings with other ruch cultures and come back from their journeys with new storys and findings. The Minoan, the Athenian fleet which wins many great wars, whose strategy is compulsory in the most important naval schools.
Thank you for that historical informations. Can't wait to play that ship in WoWs!
I really loved this episode of Naval Legends. Thank you World of Warships for this.
Greeting from Greece, Creta.
«Με την δύναμιν του Θεού και τα ευχάς του Βασιλέως και εν ονόματι του Δικαίου πλέω μεθ‘ ορμής ακαθέκτου και με την πεποίθησιν της νίκης εναντίον του εχθρού του γένους»
With the power of God and the wishes of the King and in the name of the Righteous I sail with unwavering momentum and with the conviction of victory against the enemy of the nation.
Το πάθος με το οποίο πήγαινε ολοταχώς επάνω στο «Βαρβαρόσα» σχολιάστηκε μεταξύ των μελών του πληρώματος. Ενώ αργότερα όταν τον ρώτησαν για το παράτολμο σχέδιο του εκείνος απάντησε: «Στους δυο κάβους των Δαρδανελίων, της Έλλης και του Κουμ Καλέ έβλεπα τον παππού και τον Μιαούλη να μου φωνάζουν «έλα» »...
@@MihalisNavara Not enemy but genus.
Enemy of the Genus
@@Lions300 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷👏👏👏👏👏.....ΜΟΝΟ ΔΕΟΣ!!!!!!!!
Και αμεσως μετα τους πηρε τα σωβρακα!
.....I would buy this ship in a heartbeat!
So do I
If they add the ship I will actually reinstall the game
Me too
So doi
We wait for the papanicolis submarine
Turkish navy :Can this ship be sunk ?!
Αβέρωφ: Well yes but actually no
Well *no* but actually *never*
@Megalo Ebenikis I have never heard of something like that but if it's true just think how much more the ottomans where in slave trading with there navy
Averof had 100% defence buff and immortality 😂😂
@@panospapavasiliou174 I bet she had a intimidation affect on the enemy as well lol
A warship that survived 5 wars deserves to be remembered.
Amazing story.
So, All the great & powerful warships of old were destroyed! The Bismarck, The Hood, The Musashi, The Yamato, The Nevada-class, The Pennsylvania-class, all went down to their watery graves!!! But the all-mighty Chad Averof fought victoriously in 5 different wars & still stands today after a whole century of battles & conquests as a testimony to its power & glory! The most epic awe-inspiring battleship of all time by far! Hail to Hellas!!
Choose your battles wisely and you will never lose one! But aside of that, Averof is the living testimony of what happens when you give an excellent ship to a capable seaworthy crew!
Imagine that, ammo was so sparce and hard to procure from UK, that the crew never had the chance to use live ammo. Until the battle of Elli, the first time Averof engaged in battle. This was the first time Averof fired it's guns! And in the very same day and battle the Admiral judged that there is no match for them in the battlefield and they broke away from the rest of the fleet charging in blaze against the Turkish battleships....this is the way.
@@egooidios5061 Indeed! And it's a great pity they have not yet made a film or at least an anime based on this epic battle-ship. I mean come on now, they even made a sci-fi anime series of the defeated space battle-ship yamato back in the 70s and a remake in 2010 but not of the undefeated awe-inspiring Averof?! Damn!
wow that ship really played a HUGE part in Greek history
Για Εμάς θα είναι πάντα Θωρηκτό... Το θωρακισμένο καταδρομικό πλοίο της καρδιάς μας... Ένα πλοίο αντάξιο της Ελλάδας μας, η οποία αντέχει αγέρωχη στο πέρασμα των χρόνων κοντρά στους επιβουλέις της. Η Ελλάδα μας πέρασε πολλά άλλα επιβίωσε από όλα. Έχει πολλούς εχθρούς αλλά είναι ισχυρότερη. Πολλοί την πολεμούν αλλά είναι καταδικασμένοι να την βλέπουν πάντα μπροστά τους. Προσπαθούν να την σκοτώσουν αλλά δεν μπορούν. Το Αβέρωφ είναι κάτι πολύ περισσότερο από ένα πολεμικό πλοίο. Το Αβέρωφ είναι η Ελλάδα. Άλλωστε, αν η Ελλάδα ήταν πλοίο θα ήταν το Αβέρωφ. Αν το Αβέρωφ ήταν χώρα θα ήταν η Ελλάδα...🇬🇷
We need Hellenic navy in WoWs as a tech tree!!
I want the greeks in all WoT /WoW /WoA
Ship Land Air.... is the best unid at all
@@stamatisthanasis3583 δεν έχουμε άρματα και αεροπλάνα για να μπούμε
@@g.mpeilak1032 αστον μωρε ο αλλος κλασσικος ελληναρας νομιζει οτι ειναι καλυτερος απ'ολους ενω δεν εχει ιδεα
Tree? The Hellenic Navy wouldn't be enough for a stick
@@stamatisthanasis3583 Πότε έγινε αυτό και δεν το ήξερα? 😂
This ship makes every Greek like me extremely proud 🇬🇷
@FRANK CASTLE Don't ruin the vibe turk
I want to express our deepest gratitudes for this mini-documentary about this True Naval Legend of our century!
Thank you WG! 🇬🇷⚓️🇬🇷⚓️🇬🇷 o7
BISMARCK: I have big guns , great armor, speed and AA power and I will attack enemy transport ships so I survive more
AVEROF: ...NOOB!!!!!!
AVEROF: I LITERALLY DEFEATED AN ENTIRE FLEET AND PEOPLE ONLY TALK ABOUT YOU
I bet if there will ever be a Hellenic event in Azur Lane, Averof will have similar to other, mommy-vibe shipgirls, personality.
I only wish it happened soon...
@@PrimordialNyx I'm down for her appearance in the game.
Averof deserves way more love
@@PrimordialNyx looking forward to that ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ... if ever T_T
"Gentlemen, no nation can say that master the seas, if it does not accept that warships are built to be in peril" Admiral Kountouriotis addressing members of the Greek Parliament.
My great grandfather served as a gunman and the head of the bakery in this ship for 9 years (if not more), and during the murdering spree from the Turks against the Greeks of ismir, he saved and met my great grandmother
The Greeks for over 3,000 years have absolute dominance in the Aegean Sea (its name belongs to Greek mythology...... was the ninth in a row, mythical king of ancient Athens).
Kountouriotis with George Averoff and his achievements simply sealed once again the historical truth !
My grandfather was sailor on 1920 in Averof fighting with Turkeys to Instabul and I am very proud!!! For that taims a very strong ship!!!
Its Constantinople PERIOD
Something not widely known: In the First Balkan War and after the Ottoman deafeats the Turkish fleet refused to sail again out of the safety of Dardanelles. Admiral Kountouriotis radioed the Turkish naval command and taunted them. He went as far as to offer coal for their ships in order to move, '' ...but get out and fight. We are waiting''.
Biggest merchant fleet in recorded history
Most modern submarine force in the Med
Best anti-sub force in the East Med
Fastest Quick Reaction Force in the Med
Biggest inventory of missiles in peacetime
Most comprehensive training of sailors bar the UK in all of NATO
Fastest beach landing craft in the world
That is why the Aegean will always be Greek
This ship is a real national treasure. It's in excellent condition.
On October 24 (November 6) Tenedos [Bozcaada] Island was liberated.
There was a wire connecting Tenedos garisson to the Turkish HQ on the mainland.
So Kountouriotis wired Ramiz Bey :
"Tenedos Occupied. We await your fleet's sortie. If you lack coal I'm willing to provide"
Our Beloved Beauty! First chance I get, I will go down to Faliro to pay my respects and visit Her! 💖🔱
Thank you Guys for your Great Mini-Documentary! Kudos to All of You! 😊🙏
this is what Bismarck tried to do, but failed.. trying to one-mans-army an entire fleet XD
Don't compare Saxons to Mongols naval wise
This has been a fascinating documentary! I am going to make a point of seeing this historic ship. I had no idea of this historical treasure, but you live and learn. Just for the record, a Turkish gentleman told me ( comment section of another video) that he hopes there is no war between our respective countries because Turkey would wipe Greece off the map. Somehow I think not and not only because of this documentary. Greece will not start any wars but will rightly defend its self. War mongering is not a Greek trait, however, it will rise to the occasion when its sovereignty is threatened as done numerous times in the past. May there be peace in the world. History should have taught humans invaluable lessons. Long live Greece and western heritage founded on ancient philosophers.
If Turkey could wipe Greece off the map like that they would have done so already. The reasons why they dont even try are multiple but can be summed to one basic truth. Many have tried wiping Greece and Greeks off the map, many times before, but they failed, cause we are still here. So to sum it up as we say here in Greece whenever we hear a threat, turkish included:
"Αυτά μας τα ειπαν κι άλλοι που την είχαν πιο μεγάλη"...
Turkey will get a good kicking on land sea and air and they know it well
The ottoman empire had the 3rd biggest navy in the world and averof made a fool out of them 😂
The Ottoman fleet is 3 large fleets, you know a lot. The winning army that prevailed in the 1919 1923 war, the Turkish army Although the Greek army is bigger
@@onurbora1438 1919-1923 war was not a naval war. The naval war between Ottoman Empire and Kingdom of Greece took place during the First Balkan War , which was a total victory for the Greek fleet
@@onurbora1438 also about the frase that the greek army was bigger in numbers from the turkish ?? i dont know .. but from what i have heard the greeks had a every bad time in the economy .. i mean they had already bancrupt 3 times .. and yet they took loads to mobilize and train an army that had a almost sucsefull campaign .. after all they marched for the main land Greece to central Turkey .. fighting turks and bulgars all time .. the normal greek soldier had 7 -10 years in serves to amy in wartime ... and a population only in 8 million ..not 14 or more million like turkey .. and turkey was fighting in their lands..
so how the Greeks had more men than the Turks?? what happen didnt teach you basic maths were you live .. its basic logic you know .
Keep it down or Erdoghan might send planes to sink it, we all know he has no qualms desecrating Greek History museums. -_o
@@onurbora1438 in 1922 turkish army was bigger than greek
greek army turkish army
1919 55.000 men 15.000 men
1920 86.000 men 90.000 men
1921 92.000 men 200.000 men
1922 208.000 men 215.000 men
The AVEROF and admiral kountouriotis will always be the pride of our nation's navy
Im glad that world of warships did a video on the ship that my family served on ww1 and ww2.
Thank you WG you bring honor to my family house.
Before the battle of Elli, in December 1912, Averof's engineers made a cross and donated it to admiral Kountouriotis for good luck. As the Turkish fleet appeared on the horizon, Kountouriotis told his crew, that whatever was touched by the cross they made for him, nothing could harm and that they should fear nothing. When the Turkish fleet opened fire, Kountouriotis raised the flag signaling the letter "Z", meaning that the Admiral's ship will move independently from the rest of the fleet and telegraphed to the Greek government and the rest of the fleet : "With God's help and the wishes of the King, I am sailing with unstoppable momentum against the enemy of the Nation", charging alone against the entire Turkish fleet. During both the battles of Elli and Lemnos Kountouriotis commanded the Greek fleet standing alone, outside, in Averof's weather bridge, holding with his left hand the cross, his crew gave him, against the forward side of the weather bridge of G. Averof.
Just been there today with my son .it's the anniversary of the battle of elli .the ships condition is amazing .It was an amazing axperience
Greek navy since 1821 never never surrender and never defeted....!!!!
Andeas Miaoulis
Konstantinos Kanaris
Antonios Kriezis
Dimiyrios Papanikolis
Ιakovos Tompazis
Ioannis Mantrozos
Andreas Pipinos
Georgios Sachinis
Laskarina Mpoumpoulina
Andreas Votsis
andm.Paulos kountouriotis
Κristalidis
Andreas Votsis
Grigoropoulos
Μiltiadis Iatridis
Georgios Blessas
Nikolaos Russen
Turnas
Νikolaos Merlin
Daniolos
Cristodoulos karathanasis
Panagiotis Vlahakos
Ektor Gialopsos
Some of heroes and legens of the greek navy fleet...
May all rest in peace....
Greeks never forget you all...
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HELLENICNAVY
Your a savior
@@abwehr509 its literally in the first 50 seconds of the video.
Thank you
@@mavvh1054 But it's simply handy to copy-paste it instead of typing it oneself. ;)
Danke Dir
Interesting to know that it was actually a Cruiser since we all grew up knowing and calling it a Battleship. Also, at the same dockside, right next to Averof there is another historic museum/ship of the Hellenic Navy named "Velos". One of the very few Fletcher-class American Destroyers still surviving afloat. Too bad all the camera angles missed it. May be in a future episode.
We filmed last summer, I think she was in Drydock. She certainly was not in Thessaloniki, because we spent a week in our apartment there before going to Athens.
@@TheChieftainsHatch I really hope you had a good time in Greece and hope to see you up close if you return!
Actually it is the last (acc. to the documentary) ever commissioned armoured cruiser. The class was replaced by the battlecruiser which was better armed and protected following the lessons of Tsusima. That's probably why the Italians wanted to sell it before its commission. This means that at the time of commission it was actually obsolete if you relate to the major powers of the world (GB, Germany, France). But it didn't matter. All it mattered was that it was the baddest MF in the neighbourhood and that it's crue and navy was lightyears better than the adversary (still is BTW, read the recent news ;-)
Congratulations Wargaming. You really knocked it out of the park with this one and I can't express how thankful I am to see that you did the ship justice. Well done and cheers from Greece!
Fun fact: Today, Greece has one of the largest fleets in the Mediterranean, meant to be on par with that of the Republic of Turkey.
Funnier fact: Both navies have ships built by the same countries, mostly Germany. Greece and Turkey have the same classes of submarines, all of them german, the only difference being the Type 214 subs the greeks bought, which the turks currently don't have.
Even funnier fact: Both the greek and turkish navies have more combat ships each than the actual german navy, with slightly more frigates and corvettes and twice the number of submarines. Between the both of them they'd outnumber the german navy 2 to 1, so they could beat Germany in a war.
Add to that that Greece has one of the largest armored forces out of all the countries in the EU, with Turkey more than doubling them, mostly with older models (most turkish tanks are Pattons awaiting modernization) and they could totally march all the way to Berlin and beat the hell out of their main supplier of weapons.
It's unbelievable how much these two countries mean for the german military industrial complex. I wonder if one of the reasons why there's still strong opposition to Turkey joining the EU is because they want to keep the Greco-Turkish tensions high to keep selling both of them weapons.
I have been twice on the ship, and both times I felt a kind of pride stepping aboard on the gangway. I was so surprised to learn of the donations (for the wooden tiles of the deck, the paints, the tugs, ...). Commodore Charalampopoulos and the crew REALLY love the ship!
my great-grandfather was in the navy and served in George Averof
Finally!!!greeks be like , who cares if the others are more ,300 men or one ship could still make the difference
Go and search: Battle of Gravia
@@christoforosvogiatzis4898 he will be very surprised
What an amazing Presentation !
Something to add, from from my grandfather's war stories. The Averof was so scary to the turkish sailors, that they had a nickname for it: SEYTAN PAPOR = SATAN SHIP. The Greek sailors gave it a more loving nickname: BARBA YIORGOS =UNCLE GEORGE
Needless to say that any ship is only as good as its captain and crew. Koundouriotis was by style and ability the Greek Nelson.
Quick facts:
1) Greek fleet is the biggest in the world.
2) Even in the 1800s smaller Greek ships won the Ottomans.
3) According Peter Throckmorton of Nova University, Florida, USA, the design of traditional Greek boats have Ancient Greek Origin, can be traced and has been evolved for 3000 years...
1. Biggest? NO. Bigger than US-Navy as example? Think again.
2. Yes, kind of but not absolutely. They needed the help of ships from other countries who supported the Greek Revolution. Alone they couldnt defeat the ottoman and egyptians fleet.
3. Apparently yes, there is a long tradition.
@@matzis1182 The guy meant the biggest merchant fleet, which is true, at least in capacity, though for sheer number of ships i think Greece fares second right after Japan.
@Vasileios Kons Kond I agree with both of you. You are completely right. But he had to say it on a better way, we are talking here about warships, not the merchant fleet.
Όλα καλά παιδιά. Απλώς υπάρχουν και κάποιοι που υπερβάλλουν όταν αναφέρονται στο Ελληνικό Ναυτικό. Πχ τον 19ο αιώνα χωρις ξενες ναυτικες δυναμεις δεν θα νικουσαμε. Πικρη αληθεια, το ξέρω αλλά ο Ιμπραημ απ την Αιγυπτο ειδικα ηταν σαρωτικός. Δεν ειχαμε τον χρονο και την ευχερεια να φτιαξουμε δυνατό Πολεμικό Ναυτικό. Με μία άλλη διατύπωση δεν θα του το έλεγα καν αυτό στο 1.
@Vasileios Kons Kond Όσο αφελές και αν ακουστεί αυτό που θα πω...μην είσαι τόσο απαισιόδοξος. Δεν τρέφω αυταπάτες, δεν έχουμε και δα τον δυνατότερο στρατό του ΝΑΤΟ όπως νομίζουν κάποιοι συμπατριώτες μας. Ούτε όμως και τόσο άχρηστο (και ας μας αρέσει να τον κοροϊδευουμε λίγο λόγω της θητείας μας στο Πεζικό κυρίως και κάποιες μορφάρες ΕΠΟΠ 🤣).
Και εξηγούμαι (αν και παίζει να βαρεθείς να τα διαβάσεις όλα🤣). ΕΑΝ υποθετικά (βέβαια αυτά μόνο επί Παγκοσμίων και Βαλκανικών Πολέμων γίνονταν) η Τουρκία κάνει γενικευμένη επίθεση, πόλεμο κατά κράτος δηλαδή, μάχες για κατάκτηση από Καστελόριζο ως Ηγουμενίτσα (σαν τη Γερμανία το 1941) και ας πούμε δεν συμμετέχει κανένα άλλο κράτος στο πόλεμο μας, τότε μάλλον θα χάσουμε. Ίσως όχι όλη την Ελλάδα αλλά τον πόλεμο γενικά ναι και αρκετά εδάφη. Ωστόσο υπάρχει ένα ΤΕΡΑΣΤΙΟ "αλλά" στην υπόθεση. Δεν είμαστε τόσο αχρηστοι και επίσης η Τουρκία θα αντιμετώπιζε έναν κανονικό τακτικό στρατό (συν επιστράτευση στην ανάγκη ίσως) και όχι κάτι αντάρτικες δυνάμεις ή μία μικρή παντελώς ασήμαντη στρατιωτικά (ακόμα και σήμερα) Κύπρο. Εγώ πιστεύω θα νικούσαν δίχως να θεωρείται ακριβώς νίκη. Θα έπρεπε να θυσιάσουν σίγουρα τα 2/3 του στρατού τους, υπερβολικά πολλά χρήματα, να δεχθούν σίγουρο βομβαρδισμό των παραλιακών πόλεων τους (είναι όλα σε απόσταση βολής μας) και πολύ μεγάλο μέρος των πυρομαχικών τους. Εδώ Κούρδους πολεμάνε και τα βρίσκουν σκούρα! Δεν θα μπορούσαν με ό,τι θα τους απεμεινε, να διατηρουν την τάξη στη νεα μεγαλη Τουρκία, να αποφυγουν κοινωνικές αναταραχες, να πολεμανε Κουρδους και Λιβυους ή να δρουν αποτρεπτικα εναντιον Αρμενιων και αλλων δυναμεων περιξ Κύπρου.
Επίσης δίχως καμία δόση υπερβολής, θα χάνανε σχεδόν όλο το Ναυτικό τους και το μεγαλύτερο τμήμα της αεροπορίας τους. Και αυτό διότι σαυτους τους δύο τομείς, αριθμητικά, υπερτερούν έναντι κατά παρα πολυ λίγο. Όταν κάνεις σε καποιον επίθεση, πρεπει ναχεις τριπλάσια διαθέσιμη δύναμη καθώς όταν είναι σε άμυνα ο αλλος μαχεται πιο σθεναρά ενώ πρεπει να αναμενεις οτι θα εχεις κιόλας απώλειες.
Με λιγα λόγια: κανενας, ουτε οι εθνικιστες τους, θα τολμουσαν πόλεμο κανονικό. Και ας το λενε στα λόγια. Η συγχρονη Τουρκία ποτέ δεν εκανε τετοιο πολεμο εναντίον κανενός. Και οταν εκανε εισβολες και επεισοδια, μονο οταν ηξερε 100% οτι δεν θα χασει. Ιστορικά αποδεδειγμενη η θρασυδειλία τους. Μη κοιτας την Οθωμανικη Αυτοκρατορια, αλλη αυτη...χαρη σαυτην ημασταν μερος τους. Προς το τελος βεβαια και αυτη ολο υποχωρούσε ωσπου διαλυθηκε.
Και μιας και εδωσα εμφαση σε Ναυτικο κ Αεροπορια: αυτα στην ουσια σημερα αποτρεπουν την Τουρκια απ το να κανει κανενα αιματηρο επεισοδιο. Διοτι και εμπειρα ειναι και ισοδύναμα με τα των Τουρκων. Η Ελλαδα αλλωστε πιο πολυ σαυτα τα δυο επενδυει. Στο Πεζικο μονο Ειδικες Δυναμεις μετρανε και ορισμενες επιλεγμενες πυροβολαρχιες (το λεγαν και στη μοναδα μου ανοιχτα, ολους τους αλλους γραμμένους μας εχουν). Γιαυτο και εχουμε λιγο σε μικρη εκτιμηση τις ΕΔ διοτι οι πιο πολλοι παμε στο Πεζικο που αν εξαιρεσεις λιγο Εβρο και νησια, στην υπολοιπη Ελλαδα ειναι καπως...ξεχασμενο απ την ηγεσια και τερμα απαρχαιωμενο.
Το γεγονος οτι εχουμε μικρα χερσαια συνορα με Τουρκια μαζι με ποταμό, μας βοηθαει αφανταστα διοτι ετσι ειναι "στενο" περασμα και στην ουσια απλα εχουμε μαζεψει τον μισο Ε.Σ. εκει πανω ωστε πανδυσκολα να διαπεραστεί. Εαν ομως ειχαμε τεραστια συνορα τυπου Γαλλιας-Γερμανιας, η ισορροπια δυναμεων θα αλλαζε μιας και η Τουρκια εχει πολυ μεγαλυτερο αριθμο Πεζικαριων και οχηματων (3 φορες παραπανω σιγουρα, ωστοσο και εκει το Πεζικο ειναι σε δευτερη μοιρα). Τωρα ετσι πως ειναι, δυσκολα αξιοποιειται προς εμας. Ασε που επειδη ξερουν στον Εβρο δεν ειναι επικινδυνα, σαυτους η θητεία στα συνορα αυτα θεωρειται φουλ βυσματικη 😂😂😂 Βαζουν βυσμα να μη πανε ανατολικα ή και νότια, μου ταχει πει Τουρκος.
Δηλαδη και εκτος ΝΑΤΟ να ηταν, δεν θα τολμουσαν με τιποτα. Το Νατο (προς το παρον γραμμενο τοχουν με ευθυνη του Νατο γιατι τους χαϊδευει διαρκως τα αυτιά).
Παρολαυτα, δεν σημαινει οτι δεν ειναι ικανοι για ενα χτυπημα. Δεν μιλαω για πολεμο γενικο αλλα ενα επεισοδιο ή μεμονωμενο χτυπημα σε συγκεκριμενη περιοχη ναι πχ Καστελοριζο. Μεταφραση: 1-2 βυθισμενα καραβια ή κανα 2 μαχητικα να μας καταρρίψουν και τέλος, ναι ως εκεί τους εχω ικανούς αν τρελαθούν τελείως και αγνοησουν ΝΑΤΟ, λοιπους συμμαχους μας κτλπ.
Τωρα ενεργη στηριξη απο Ευρωπη δεν εχουμε διοτι Γερμανια ΗΠΑ κρατανε αποσταση μιας και μας θεωρουν και τους δύο συμμαχους (οικονομικα την Τουρκια λιγο πιο πολυ κιολας). Αλλα αν γινοταν αυτο που λεω, ναι πιστευω θα ειχαμε. Και κυριως απο Γαλλια συν Αιγυπτο και ισως Ισραηλ.
Βεβαια ο πρωην Υπουργος Αμυνας Αποστολακης ξεστομισε και μια αληθεια: τις πρωτες στιγμες θα ημασταν μονοι. Θα περνουσαν ισως 2-3 μερες προτου εκτιμησουν και τελικα βοηθησουν. Οσο ναναι, για ξένη χωρα θα προκειται, οχι πατριδα τους. Γιαυτο εστω ας κραταμε ενα επιπεδο σε θαλασσα και αερα. Παντως ο Ερντογαν, μπορει στρατιωτικα να μη μας κανει ό,τι θελει αλλα σιγουρα πολιτικά το κανει προς ολη την Ευρώπη καθως ξερει οτι δεν θελουν φασαριες. Ας μεινει ετσι τουλαχιστον, συνηθισμενοι ειμαστε σε συνεχη περα δωθε στα συνορα. 😂
Τώρα το 2035 αμα ξαναμιλησουμε, θαναι ισως διαφορετικά, ολο εξοπλιζονται οι γειτονες αλλά βεβαια αλλαζουν κ ηγεσιες, συμφεροντα κτλπ.
@Ma Tzis Να διορθώσω ότι το 3 εναντίων 1 ισχύει μόνο σε "μέσο" μικτό έδαφος δλδ ένα σχετικά "επίπεδο" αλλά "΄άγριο" έδαφος, δλδ το σύνηθες των περιοχών της Ευρώπης που περίμεναν να λειτουργήσουν σαν buffer states σε περίπτωση Σοβιετικής εισβολής. Ακόμη και έτσι εξαρτάται από την κλίμακα των δυνάμεων που αναλύουμε και τις φίλιες και αντίπαλες δυνάμεις. Συγκεκριμένα οι αναλογίες προϋποθέτουν Νατοϊκού τύπου προετοιμασμένο αμυνόμενο εναντίων Σοβιετικού τύπου επιτιθέμενό, μια και ο απλοϊκός αυτός υπολογισμός επινοήθηκε για τέτοια περίπτωση. Ρεαλιστικά ανάλογο του σκηνικού και της κλίμακας μπορεί να κινηθεί από 1.5 προς 1 (βάση κλίμακας) έως 1 ή και 0.8 προς 1 για ταχυκίνητο πόλεμο (κοινώς ο επιτιθέμενός σε αυτή τη περίπτωση έχει πλεονέκτημα ή τουλάχιστον αποστερεί από τον αμυνόμενο το δικό του) με την επίπτωση όμως, ότι δεν θα επιχειρήσει να κρατήσει περιοχές. Εναντίων προβληματικού εδάφους ή καταστάσεων πχ αμυνόμενο σε ύψωμα με καλούς τομείς και επιτήρηση, προγεφυρώματα κτλ οι αναλογίες στρέφονται ακόμη περισσότερο κατά του επιτιθέμενού (δεν έχω συγκεκριμένα νούμερα γιατί στο κάτω κάτω δεν είναι η δουλειά μου να υπολογίζω τέτοια πράγματα, αλλά θυμάμαι 5 προς 1 ύψωμα και κάπου στο τουλάχιστον 7 προς 1 ή και παραπάνω για προγεφύρωμα εκ θαλάσσης αλλά ειδικά στο τελευταίο μπορεί να θυμάμαι λάθος).
Όλα αυτά προϋποθέτουν ότι ο αντίπαλος είναι "Σοβιετικού τύπου" δλδ με κακή/ημιτελής εκπαίδευση και συγκεκριμένες τακτικές σε σχέση με τον αμυνόμενο (κάτι που ισχύει τουλάχιστον για την μετά του πρόσφατου πραξικοπήματος Τουρκία λογικά, όσο αφορά την εκπαίδευση και το ηθικό). Ακόμη και έτσι είναι υπεραπλουστευμένος κ πρόχειρος υπολογισμός (υπάρχουν ακριβέστεροι αλγόριθμοι και που είναι και πιο επίκαιροι). Όσο αφορά ταχυκίνητο πόλεμο, εδώ δεν παίζει και πολύ λόγο μορφολογίας εδάφους θεωρώ, αυτό δε είναι ξεκάθαρα υπέρ μας από όλες τις απόψεις σχεδόν, κατ’ εμέ που δεν είμαι ειδικός. Τέλος να θυμίσω ότι τίποτα δεν είναι απόλυτο και άπειροι παράγοντες, πολλοί από αυτούς απρόβλεπτοι και ανεξέλεγκτοι θα παίξουν ρόλο ("τύχη" δλδ).
Από εκεί και πέρα, το ηθικό δεν είναι ο βασικός λόγος για την συνήθως πλεονεκτική θέση του αμυνόμενου (αν και έχει επίσης συμαντικότητα), αλλά το γεγονός ότι έχει καλώς προετοιμασμένες αμυντικές θέσεις και πολύ καλή γνώση του εδάφους (και από πρώτο χέρι και όχι απλά από χάρτες κ φωτογραφίες).
Τέλος λάβε όλα ότι έγραψα υπόψη με προσοχή και μην τα δέσεις κόμπο, διότι θα ξανά πω ότι δεν είναι το "κομμάτι" μου. Εξάλλου υπάρχουν αρκετές διαφωνίες επί του θέματος και προφανώς είναι απλά εργαλεία προς βοήθεια λήψης απόφασεων και όχι κάτι απόλυτο (καθώς και δεν είναι ούτε τα μόνα, υπάρχουν και καλύτερες προσεγγίσεις).
Aggregation, Disaggregation and the 3:1 Rule in Ground Combat by Paul K. Davis Project AIR FORCE, Arroyo Center, National Defense Research Institute
The Great 3-1 Rule Debate by Shawn Woodford, Mystics & Statistics
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Ότι θυμάμαι από την εκπαίδευση μου σαν στέλεχος (πρώην ΕΠΟΠ).
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but most importantly..
"Πλέω μεθ’ ορμής ακαθέκτου και με πεποίθησιν εις την Νίκην κατά του εχθρού του Γένους"
-Commander of the Aegean Sea Fleet Paulos Kountouriotis
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Legend
we want the ship in the game!! let's go Hellas!! days ago i was thinking if the ship will ever make it in this section of naval legends, and now is reailty!
46 people hate awesome ships that are cooler than they will ever be.
Maybe is the grandson of the Turk who was hidden in the Dardanelles😁
thanks to World of Warships a mini documentary have created about the most famous ship of the Greek navy . Well done guys
damn!i got goosebumps!!!this ship has its own soul!!
well this definitely a story of an underdog ship pulling more than its weight in battle.Iowa probably was like damn that is one bad ass little fella glad hes on our side lol.
A real SPARTAN ship...Τιμή και Δόξα. Thank you very much for this beautiful video of Greek Naval History.
The Greeks still have wins in the sea!!! Just see the damage in kemal reis ship when he tried hit the Greek one before some weeks
Trivia : The ship was equiped with a battering ram in its pointy bow like the ancient Triemes . So the ship was from the start able to ram any enemy ship with out taking any damage inorder to sink it.
This production is beyond perfect !!! Even better than a documentary ! The music, the history, the facts, everything is great. Well done gentlemen !!