If "exposure" to trans people "made you trans", then why am I cis? My heart goes out to all my trans and non-binary siblings for this irrational targeted hatred. It is bloody exhausting, and I'm not even trans or NB myself. Love to all feeling the weight of this nonsense.
Gods, we need more people like you. A lot of people in school think I’m “non-binary just for attention”, when the only type of attention I’m getting is rumors about me and how I’m trans.
Yep, I spend a lot of my time (possibly even most of my time) around trans people and I am still stubbornly cis lol. The idea that being trans is contagious is insane and ridiculous
@coleen - exactly. Plus why does "exposure" to cis people not "make you cis"? These were the same kind of people upset at the visibility and acceptance of left-handed people and wanted to force left-handed people back into the closest.
Oh, that's because cis people who are educated about trans issues, and who have explored their own gender identity and concluded that they are still cis, tend to make for the strongest trans allies. They have some idea of what trans people go through and are more likely to be empathetic, and we obviously can't have that.
@@trevorchester4439 If it is, it's a Feminist one.. But lets unpack this for one moment, if we are talking about ideas that have no proofs we are talking about ideologies of which one would have to agree includes religion of which is where all this anti trans stuff sprang from. Imagine the absurdity, an ideology is seeking to delegitimise an ideology and quite possibly because it feels threatened by new ideas.
@@trevorchester4439 No, science seeks to prove it's ideas, religion does not, for religion is like politics in that it is all about evidence free belief.
@@trevorchester4439 "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy." Demonstrate how people's identities are intrinsically political, or admit you're making shit up.
A shocking number are. They'll try to cover it with sympathy and prayers because it's just so saaaad that she had to remove them to save her life. But they won't treat her as a whole person unless she gets implants so she "looks" normal. As it's October and "Breast Cancer Awareness Month" in the US, just watch for the staggering number of posts and ads touting a "Save the boobies!" mentality instead of "Save LIVES". (also, consider this a reminder, if you have breast tissue, you could get cancer in it, so do your self-exams, be familiar with your normal, and don't wait if you find something weird happening!)
The “if you show scars you’re glorifying surgery” people seriously must have spent under 0.00001 seconds thinking about the logic in that. I have a scar on my cheek from a mild injury when i was 3. Am i glorifying being cut in the face by a table by existing? No. If someone has crutches because they broke a leg, are they glorifying breaking their leg? No. That’s just part of us, and a trans person having scars visible is the exact same; they’re not “glorifying” surgery by existing, they just had surgery, and they are existing. It’s just such a dumb point of view
@@1th_to_comment. If I may make an assumption, being a kid who doesn't have perfect control of it's balance yet, and running around before hiting the table might be a probable cause. It happened to me and I now have a scar on one of my eyebrows.
Oh no, I am glorifying children hitting their heads on cupboard corners! 😂 Not to mention because less visible but in retrospect more scary: riding too fast down a hill on a sleigh and getting hit between the eyes by a twig! 😱
One of my stuffed animals, Lemonade, is the endometriosis bunny from mysterious American mcgee. She has lap scars. In no way does that glorify laparoscopy. I don’t look at her and go “wow those are so cool, laparoscopy must be so cool” and I doubt anyone else would. I get excited because I also have lap scars. This would be the same with literally any surgery I feel like. I don’t see why it’s any different with top surgery, aside from the fact that bigots suck.
I hate people's obsession with "healthy breast tissue". I'm not even trans but I'm in high debate on someday removing my breasts if I can. I've had so much trauma revolving around them, especially when they were first growing. The only good that came out of them was that they fed 2 out of 3 of my babies but now that I'm done having kids, I'd love to just get rid of them.
I'm a cis woman. I had a double mastectomy to flat done almost four years ago now. I've been so much happier in my body since then. I haven't regretted it once.
I never understand the children aspect of these arguments. Are children shaving? Are children drinking beer? It's clearly a thinly veiled excuse for transphobia.
Even if top surgery was considered cosmetic surgery, would we not need to ban ads who feature models who have had cosmetic surgeries? They only care about this because they want trans people to be excluded and unseen in society. This is a non issue.
Because it wasn’t cosmetic surgery that benefits them ie getting to check out cis women with boob jobs etc they’re scared they’ll be attracted to a transperson then explode or turn trans themselves
Shoot, not just models but almost everyone (especially AFAB folks, but also AMAB) who appears in front of a camera for a living has gotten or will get some form of cosmetic surgery. They get to lie to the rest of us to make us all feel ugly and make us want to buy things to look like them, but trans people can't just exist comfortably in their own dang bodies?!
@@Lady.Fern.yea and ive seen transphobes be really gross about top surgury their reasons are very self servering. "You had perfrctly good breasts!" "Now youre chest is ugly!"
i love that the same people that call lgbtq people "snowflakes" for being angry about their human rights being violated are now throwing a tantrum over a single photo in an ad that they most likely hadn't even seen prior to someone pointed it out. the call is coming from inside the house.
The term "Snowflake" has always been a projection, lol. Same as "cancel culture": who have been known to always have censored, scandalized and banned arts, opinions, lifestyles, behaviors and people they don't agree with throughout the centuries? The religious and conservatives, that's who! "Cancel culture" is nothing new, only the name is. They've been doing since the down of time, but since the "undesirable" are now able to ask for some respect, visibility and their right to exist free from fear and enough people agree to stop things that threaten those, the conservatives quickly needed a new name for their game of erasing everything one doesn't like, so they can accuse the others of doing that without making people see that they've been doing it (and still do it) all along!
99.99999999% of ANYTHING negative i've heard said by queerphobes about our community is pure projection. like "snowflakes, they get mad when you misgender them!!!!" from a man with masculinity so fragile a fucking ping pong ball could shatter it
As a trans man who hasnt had top surgery yet this kind of shit is exhausting. I want it so badly but its so expensive. And the transphobes obsession with "healthy breasts" borders on fetishism to me
It's rough, my dude. I saved up for over a year to afford mine. Totally worth it, but damn that sucked. You'll get there. Stay strong and stay safe. Much love ❤️
Asking someone to think long and hard before they decide chop off a healthy and integral part of their body is fetishism according to you? You do realize that surgeries all over the country (or even the world) are expensive in general. There are little kids with failed kidneys who can't get surgeries because of financial constrains and not because society has kidney fetishism. You are aware right??
I can only imagine how amazing it must feel to have top surgery as a trans man. I'm a cis woman, and I was very uncomfortable with my breasts. I had the opportunity to have them completely removed, and I took it! That was four years ago, and I've been so much happier in my body. I feel more like myself. I can only imagine just how much more relief trans men must feel to have that weight gone (literally and metaphorically).
@@chrisbfreelance Everyone else in this thread is here sharing in each other's joy, so it seems to me like the only revolting thing is your attitude. Stop trolling and go home 🙄
Jamie is cool, transphobia is not. Thank you for speaking on such a brutal and continuous barrage of bigotry and transphobic rhetoric currently happening on TERF island. Trans rights are fundamental human rights, and us allies need to step up more than we ever have. Thank you for everything you do to tackle transphobic bigotry and misinformation
Don't forget about dinosaurs! Seriously though, even though I'm (possibly) not trans (I'm slightly questioning), it's super disheartening to hear what's happening in the UK and the US. Thank god for Jamie and all the other trans influencers that are speaking up!
If that man had a shirt on, they would have never known that was a transman. People are just offended that people exist outside of their extremely narrow view of what gender is.
Well, "he" could have had the shirt on but they(corporate panderers) went out of their way to make sure she was topless, bcz they wanted to cause a ruckus, and piss off the alt? Right. The bait worked. Your just collateral damage
If a trans woman were to realize that they were actually not trans and were in that 1% then I bet the "healthy breast tissue" being "immoral" to remove would be thrown out the window real quick
Most transphobes from what I've seen aren't even aware of the fact that trans women have natural breasts, they seem to be under the impression that trans women have fake breasts.
No, then it'd be the evil trans people making them think they were trans with their social contagion and ruining their life. Cue lots of tearful "I regret transitioning and so will you" tiktoks.
@mystoxxiide9043 and if by that they mean "they're not a 'real' woman" they may actually be right for once, since the majority of people who detransition/regret their transition do so not because they don't identify as trans anymore, but because they can't live with the discrimination and social risks they live with as a visible trans person. Sad, but true. Only a minority of detransitioners say they were confused about their gender identity when they decided to transition and usually they were confused because they didn't recognize themselves within their/society's image of their biological sex/gender and thus concluded they must be the opposite gender then in order be seen as who they are. Ironically though, the transphobes' suggestion to prevent those edge cases they're supposedly so worried about, is to strengthen gender stereotypes and gender roles more, instead of dissolving them so everyone can just be themselves and follow their interests regardless of their sex or gender! 🤦♂️
I mean, tons of transphobes seem unaware that trans women grow actual breast tissue complete with mammary glands and everything, the amount of people who are baffled by the fact that some trans women can lactate and claim it's "fake" and "delusion" is ridiculous. People actually think that all trans women's breasts are 100% implants.
@@PolarNitaIsTiredyou mean they as a group went from sharing one brain cell to two right? Just want to clarify, because if they EACH had two now that would be truly horrific
What if it wasn't a transman, but a cis man that had to have top surgery because of cancer or gynecomastia; who wanted to show he wasn't ashamed of his scars? Would those transphobes still have a problem? Why can't people just let people (who aren't hurting anyone) be and learn to mind their own damn business?
@@DeezNutzOnYoChinnyChin why? There are many reasons people may have top surgery scars. And the fact transphobes refuse to take that into consideration is the point.
Honestly theres a good chance some of them would have a problem with that because they’re just looking to get mad at something, there’s no logic in their thought process
@@DeezNutzOnYoChinnyChin What about the fact that you run around posting vague disagreements with no elaboration? Maybe tell them why it's wrong if you're really interested in a conversation.
Also important to note there was basically zero backlash to the original ad. However due to this wave of ant-trans propaganda that started picking up about a year or two ago. All of a sudden this ad that is 2+ years old is somehow "news" worthy for today according to 10 different conservative "news" websites.
@@404maxnotfound It’s just so stupid how far back we have gone as a society. I don’t understand why conservatives have picked trans people as their latest scapegoat. Just leave us alone.
Shows how desperate they are to find something to complain and cry about that they go searching for ads from years back just to have an excuse to be hateful.
Yep. Apparently I removed my "perfectly healthy uterus" and will regret it when I "wake up from my delusion". Apparently passing out from cramps and borderline needing a blood transfusion are delusions. Like just because someone is trans doesn't mean 100% of their medical care is because they are trans. Yes I'm trans, yes I had a hysterectomy, the two are not related. But people will still tell me I'll regret it one day and want to be a "real women" (aka have babies) even *after* I say my doc said it's really good I didn't want to be pregnant because she'd have had to advise me against it because it would be life threatening for me. Like why would I ever regret not being able to risk my life to do something I didn't want to do?
I am a 47 yo cis woman who has never had children, never wanted children, went through some nasty ménorragia, has been sexually active in a long term relationship for decades, and has been talked out of having partial hysterectomies, ablations and tubal ligation *EVERY* time I tried to bring it up with a doctor or obgyn (yes, even women ones) . the disbelieving of women, cis and trans, and the ultimate "trump card" of "BUT BABIES" is a systemic & endemic problem in the entire medical community.
Those people are horrid even with people that don't have healthy uterus. I remember a news case of a cis girl that was refused hysterectomy for endometriosis, and the reason they refused was because "what about she wants children". And her case was severe enough that she was probably infertile anyway.
@@bumpgrrl yep, like I'm 20s and non-binary, but I've never wanted to be pregnant. Adoption yes, pregnancy no. I had random doctors who I mentioned wanting, and even scheduling, a hysterectomy who told me no one would do it before I was 35 with two kids, even if the first pregnancy went bad. It took me four docs to find someone who listened.
@@pablolevin9216 yeah, it's horrid. I've had people tell me some really nasty stuff about having had a hysterectomy. Including that I should unalive myself because my life was worthless now. It took me four docs to find someone who listened.
My favorite flavor of transphobia/any kinda queer phobia: “I’m not transphobic but *blatant, horrid transphobia* BUT YOU CANT CALL ME TRANSPHOBIC BECAUSE I’VE DECIDED THAT I’M NOT!”
Funny how they are allowed to label themselves but the same doesn't apply to us... (Though their label is actually unfitting in this case, huuuh the irony...)
“I’m not racist but “* says extremely racist shit* Replace “racist” with most types of bigotry and you’ve got a significant portion of said bigoted group!
Just say that you will accept their self-identity as not transphobic if they accept your identity as trans. 😉 It's funny because it kinda becomes true if they do. 😁
I got that from my sister when she decided to “stand with J.K. Rowling”. Took her another year to decide that no, she was a raging transphobe and declare that see sees me as an abomination before god, and taught her kids to only address me by my dead name (neither child was born when I began transition).
In the 1950s and 60s, people didn't like it when the professionals started recognizing that being gay wasn't a mental illness either. It's the same old story.
@@cameronsharples2544 Before that it was "draeptomania," which was the term for enslaved people who had the completely insane and inexplicable tendency to attempt escaping their enslavement.
100 percent, and it starts at the parents. Phobia may not mean fear, but a lot of these people are, indeed afraid of something inside themselves. Something they could have expressed at one point, and were admonished for it.
I'm glad you mentioned the weirdness of the constant use of "healthy breasts." I'm a cis woman and it made me feel so gross. I'm bi and love boobs, but they're not sacred or special and glorifying them is C R E E P Y behavior. If boobs don't fit your image of yourself, they gotta go. I can't believe so many articles were written about this. Surgery scars are beautiful and should be a non issue.
I'm a trans lesbian. I love boobs so much I decided to grow a pair of them myself. They're pretty great, but they're not the absolute alpha and omega of existence. If you don't like the teat feel free to yeet.
god yes i just made a comment on this as well and im also a bi cis woman. also noticed how they talk about underage girl's breasts too, because thats not creepy at all and is totally normal behaviour.
And you just KNOW that these same people who tout this "healthy breasts" mentality are EXACTLY the same people who completely lose their shit when mothers breastfeed their babies "in public."
But "men like tiddy, don't destroy tiddy! 🤤😭" I guess that's what goes on in the brain cell of those disgusting, pitiful "ooga-booga" cavemen 🤢! This kind of men make me wish I could identify as agender... 😪
Your right, corporate greed should know no end. Go after every possible market. But when you pivot to a new segment, the existing userbase will probably be unhappy to have "the others" lumped with them.
@@akale2620 Sounds like their problem, not trans people's. Maybe those people who consider trans people "the others" ought just _get over themselves._
@@sluttyMapleSyrup yes it is "their" problem. But why should they get over anything? They can yell and be loud and proud too. And maybe put braun in financial trouble like they did with bud.
@@akale2620 Why should anybody care that they're mad about having to see a minority they have an irrational prejudice against? Fuck 'em. Bud Light didn't tank due to giving a trans person a beer can with her face on it. It saw a dip, but that's it. It recovered. Why should anyone give a fuck what a bunch of uneducated, narrow-minded, trash pules think about a historically oppressed minority getting some media representation? _Aww, did someone have to see a body that isn't their ideal one or one they're sexually attracted to?_ Boo-fuckin'-hoo.
Braun is advertising a trimmer, not advertising a gender affirming surgeon. This ad is just the acknowledgement of trans people's existence. As a cis guy, I'm more inclined to buy a product from a company that's dedicated to inclusivity -- not just in their ads, but in their corporate policies regarding the treatment of their LGBTQ employees.
Yeah for real 😂 im a transwoman and im happy i already have Braun trimmers. I didnt know about this ad till today. But knowing this ad exists makes me respect the company a lot more. i would love to do an ad with me shaving my face with a Braun trimmer just to trigger even more transphobes. Ill be wearing like a pink towel around my chest have my long hair all up and painted nails girly af shaving my fuzzy face. Its not just men that use it. 😉 Braun is for everyone
If they're so worried about removing healthy breast tissue, why do they only care about the 7k or so trans men doing it and not about the 90k women having cosmetic breast reduction surgery? (US stats)
I mean, those also do get a loooot of shit and also often have to jump through a lot of hoops. Probably for mostly the same reasons. Transphobes don't specifically bring them up in trans debates, but I promise you they also deal with societal crap about it.
This is a razor company. They aren’t even marketing towards children. The way they just jumped to the ad “promoting gender ideology” is crazy. The person in the photo is literally just existing, he’s not even doing anything other than shaving his face. You have to really search to even find the photo.
@@howtodrinkwaterin5simplesteps what? that person ''joked'' in their community posts and video descriptions about a video called d***ys destruction being informative and educational. which is just not funny at all -.-
why are they even saying “tHiNk Of ThE kIdS” for a razor company??? What 6 year old is gonna be shaving?? As long as you don’t have a coronary over it the kids won’t care. Kids mirror your behavior. It’s common sense which is something these people CLEARLY lack
I'm equally pissed, sad, and scared. I am not even living in the US, but even here in my country, transphobia is on the rise because of the US. I'm mostly tired, to be honest. I just want to live my life and be happy while doing so - I just want to be myself without being afraid. Why is that a debate? I just don't get it.
Because the hard right has no policies to offer the people so has to divert them with culture wars - of which will not attend to their needs , just the needs of the hard right.
Vulnerable people are simply good scapegoats. Scapegoats are needed in order for particular groups of people to pass or escape from unethical or immortal actions so they use scapegoats to divert attention.
same. i am seeing all kinds of bigotry on the rise here in sweden. i've seen misogyny, racism, queerphobia, ableism, etc, etc come from so many of my peers (including myself at a few moments in the past). it's worrying.
The same thing happened when poc started appearing in adverts. It's nothing to do with worrying about children or anything of the like. It's pure, unadulterated hatred. Most people aren't transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc. These people just shout the loudest because their voices are so few they need to scream, whereas normal, unhateful people just don't care. Any non-hateful person would see this and just not care. It doesn't impact cis people, it might make a transmans day, it upsets transphobes. One day, the whole world, bar maybe some weird cults, will consider these transphobes ridiculous
The whole “think of the children” thing is an old tired, but effective thought terminating cliche. As long as people make an issue about “protecting the children”, you will always have an audience and people listening to you unless you explain that it’s not for protecting the children and to harm everyone. This massive wave of anti trans hate is purely based on “protecting the children”, as well as all anti queer hate in history.
It’s like how in America the republicans only base for banning gender affirming care is “protecting the kids”. I had to sit there and wonder, which kids? The ones you’re killing with the bill or your perfect cisgender babies who won’t even be affected by this? It’s complete hypocrisy and manipulation
@@connergoessupersonic racists wanting to segregate schools and public spaces to "protect the white children" from black people not too long ago in the past.
The really awful thing is 'thinking of the children' is what trans people are doing. They are thinking about trans kids but also hoping for a world where all kids are kinder to each other and not taught to be hateful and cruel. That's why it bothers me so much when these people try and make it about the children. It also just comes off as so disingenuous, like these anti-trans people are using children like human political shields to get away with their hate, because that's what they are doing. And it's shameful.
@@al_eggs and how people correlate that gwen could be trans because of the colors and the fact she has a *trans flag saying to stop killing trans kids* it really isn't even a far stretch to say she is trans tbh that's the sad part (i think that's what it said i haven't seen the movie in awhile)
@@Hey_im_Marcy all it said was “Protect Trans Kids,” which both viewpoints should in theory agree with (even though transphobes don’t know what “protecting” means in this context)
@@Hey_im_Marcythen they correlate with miles to being weird as if that makes a difference between anything like if they shagged. Their both teens, why TF would they shag, it's all just odd to me.
I really needed this video today, I've been listening a lot to someone who doesn't think I'm trans because A) I'm non-binary B) I may not "fully" transition
Ugh, I hate people who think that trans people automatically "Get surgery". Like... no. I know a friend who said to me they wouldn't do surgery (ftm) because in the end, it's not 'real enough' and if it wasn't that then there'd be no point. Regardless of the reasons, it's a person's choice about surgery or not. I think next time I get that brought up I'm going to ask if that person gets every surgery they've ever been recommended for regardless of how they personally feel about it
It’s just irresponsible to force trans people to go through surgeries they aren’t confident in to “prove” something. This is the real world, medical complications are a valid concern, everything is expensive.
@@Em-Beeit’s almost like if a trans person doesn’t know what being trans is and they see happy trans person thriving than maybe they’ll realize that they can in fact be trans. And if this is the case that representation didn’t make that person trans they were always trans. The oc clearly wasn’t “turned” trans cause they aren’t trans. Just like how queer people growing up seeing cis and straight people there entire life are still queer. Cis people aren’t going to magically decide to be trans cause of trans representation. Shut up about your social contagion bs
I've long said that "cancel culture" is just capitalism/free market working as it's supposedly intended (I.e individuals "voting with their wallets" by deciding to either support or not support certain companies)
@@doktorj4k4lkee uh thats the worst they pretend that they are going agenst the world order in a brave manner to save everything from the Woke communist Liberal gay SJW Agenda thing meanwhile hald the worlds goverments agree with them Russia , the middle east , large parts of afrika last time i checked these places had harsh laws agenst LGBTQ people and its proven that russian propaganda is in europe and is fueling exactly these people
Reminder, top scars aren't necessarily always from transitioning, they may also be from surgeries to remove tumors from the breast which may also come at the cost of reduced breast size if the tumor is too deep inside of the breast. Even if it is usually quite minimal in the change. But the scars themselves are relatively common in men, women and intersex people. Although the two are visually distinctive.
There is an option to have a double mastectomy for gynecomastia (I think depending on how bad it is), which looks exactly like top scars for trans people. Although it seems to not be mentioned much, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I've owned multiple Braun shaving tools over the years, and if anything, seeing them be inclusive in their advertising only confirms I've picked a good brand. I have to say, as an afab who some days feels more like a girl than other days, I wish, if these phobes actually are "fighting for the rights of women", they'd spend some of their energy on telling young girls and women that having body or facial hair is okay, because the society really pressures women to be hairless. Millions of women spend time removing perfectly healthy bodyhair with some pretty horrifying methods, but I bet the phobes are fine with that. Honestly, I wish the phobes would just shut up. They're not gonna win. I just wish they'd mind their own business for a change.
So if transphobes are “repulsed” by top surgery scars, does this mean I should keep my feet covered up, in case anyone is repulsed by the scars from the surgery to correct my club feet?
@ville2_ You've been trying to push this for literally years and you've not gotten anywhere. It's almost as though you guys are the ones who support child abuse...
Here’s my experience as a cis woman. My boobs were uneven and this bothered me. It felt like one of them just wasn’t right, and I hated that. So I went to my doctor and asked for breast augmentation surgery to correct this. He agreed, and I was put on a wait list. A year later, I had the surgery, and while the results were not ‘the perfect body’ I felt right and happy with myself. I’ve always been comfortable talking about the surgery I had, and I’ve never once been criticised or told I have ‘mutilated’ my body. I never heard that kind of discourse at all until I started seeing all these transphobic complaints popping up. It makes me sick that men like Jamie have to put up with this kind of nonsense, when it so clearly isn’t about protecting anyone. I got to make the choice to change my body without judgement, and I see no reason why others shouldn’t be able to do the same.
What a wonderful post. I had not thought of much of this pov, and appreciate you very much. I HAD wondered if these dingbats would censure augmentations as implanting "unhealthy breast tissue"? Or are they just, "I like breasts, so everybody has to have them"? Eeeew.
I'm not against transition surgery. They call me transphobic because I think you should be an adult before getting plastic surgery. I feel you need to be old enough to fully understand it.
I had breast reduction at 19 - as a cis het woman - and had to deal with so many negative and judgmental comments. I think heterosexual men are just obsessed with breasts and anyone who doesn’t want large or larger breasts is suspect even though having said breasts led to my feeling disfigured and like an object of aggressive male fantasies. I’m 61 and it’s a rare day when i don’t feel SO GRATEFUL that I got to have that surgery. Good for Braun.
Girl I just said the same thing! It really feels like it boils down to a sentiment like "WAHHH! 🍼👶NOW THERES LESS BOOBIES IN THE WORLD FOR ME TO LOOK AT! WAHHH!! 😭😭😭"
Honestly over the past year or so, I’ve just grown so desensitized to people being so mad about the existence of trans people in public that whenever something new gets boycotted or slammed on social media, I just get tired. Like, can we just be left alone? Please?
@@one-onessadhalf3393 i don't know about your ideology but I do know that the most transactivists ideology is hurting others which explains why I/others are not leaving them alone. I am totally fine with people being transgender. But that is not enough. Take Lia thomas for example. Lia is a man but he can be transgender if he wants. Totally fine. But why does he need to compete against woman? Why is he taking over their sport? Why are the woman he swims against forced to be in the same changing room as him? Why are they compelled not to speak out about it? These woman are hurt by Lia and the people protecting Lia. Why is the live of Lia more worth than the lives of all the woman athletes he swims against? Can you answer these questions?
@@pietjewaanman3506 Consideration: An ideology that negatively targets a specific group of people whose existence on its own poses no meaningful existential threat to others, is an ideology that harms others way more than it helps others. If you care about child grooming, consider boycotting and exposing people and any affiliated organizations/corporations who commit, or otherwise support that stuff. They are of higher immediate priority to you than the "trans person who *might* groom a child." Expose them even if they're similar to you, whether in gender, sexuality, ethnicity, interests, personality, etc. That means nothing if they're grooming children, and you're an ambassador for stopping that, right? It's not like heterosexuals nor religious followers are immune to grooming children, so why don't you pay attention to their actions too? If you're just hiding behind "thinking about the children" as an excuse to refuse acknowledging the existence and lack of threat of trans people, *you* are the one who has an ideology which harms others. Unless of course, you refuse to see trans people as human beings, thus allowing you to say "But they're not of my kind, so it doesn't matter." If you attempt to use this kind of justification, the terms "hypocritical," "discriminatory," and "fascist" may best describe your stance towards trans people. To put it simply, an extreme POS similar to Hitler or Trump, who believed that certain kinds of people were beneath them, and seeked to eradicate them through genocide.
The obsession with what other people do with their breasts makes ME physically sick. I am a 64 year old cis woman who has literally suffered both mentally and physically for all my life once my breasts started to grow. Men treating them like they were their property to comment on and look at. My current size is 36HH and I would LOVE to have them gone, but I hate the idea of surgery. I applaud trans men for their courage in getting rid of them, given my time to come again I might do it, even though I have no desire to transition. A desire to socially transition is not new, its been going on for centuries if not millennia. These transphobes are very broken IMO.
It must be exhausting to be so angry and fearful all the time. As it is, I find myself getting weary of the sheer amount of manufactured outage. I know we need to push back against bigotry, but it's a soul-sucking exercise to be sure.
It's very alarming how many transphobic videos, shorts and comments I see here on CZcams. I know that statistically speaking transphobes are in the minority, but it sometimes feels like they have a much bigger presence then they actually do irl.
It reminds me of when I read that the Westborough Baptist Church only has like, 70 people. Bigots tend to want to make themselves seem bigger than they actually are. I agree though. The amount of times I've gotten ads for that damn Epoch Times "documentary" is infuriating.
That's fascism for you. A small but very noisy minority. Normal people dedicate little time to hate because hate is the exception. It's something that signifies a treat. And dealing with treats is tiring. Normal people only deals with treats the minimum possible. But these kind of people are different. Hating isn't dealing with a treat, it's comforting and relaxing. I know it doesn't make much sense, but that's what I can observe of this kind of behaviour.
This whole top surgery outrage has made me wonder if these people react the same way to people wanting a breast *increase*. If breasts are so sacred, surely increasing their size is just as despicable as decreasing them right? I wonder why we never hear anything about that... /s
Yes, society reacts the same way if a woman wears her boob job as a badge of honor. And ya..Every body part is sacred. our finger nails, toes everything.. and You do hear about it..for example most people are disgusted with the Kardashians for changing their bodies and faces every week. But even they don't wear it like a badge of honor or tell every one that getting bbls every month is normal and healthy
Honestly, my breast removal surgery was the best decision I have ever made. I have zero regrets, and feel 10x better now. I can look at myself in the mirror again - my breasts started growing when I was 7, and I couldn't stand to have them uncovered since then. Now I love touching my scar and don't mind touching my body in general, instead of being repulsed by my own body. So... yeah.
@@leunamreyo3663 "Suicide related outcomes following gender affirming care, study" Yeah it is mate, we have studies to prove it and it's not cutting it off. They invert the tissue. Your just trying to make it sound scary. Also of course it's medical. You can't just say something isn't medical because you don't like it. It is a preformed procedure by medical specialists and approved by the FDA and pretty much every medical institution. Therefore it is everything medical.
@@leunamreyo3663Cornell University, Columbia University, National Institutes of Health, Stanford Medicine, and HealthNews. How many nazis are in these comment sections jeez
@@leunamreyo3663 Nope, but Nazism at its core is a flagrant disapproval of evidence-based practise in favour of dehumanising innocent people. Well done, you've secured your place in the club.
@@leunamreyo3663The difference between that and transness is, transition works. 99% success rate. That's why doctors recommend and support it. People who hack off their limbs AREN'T happier afterwards. That's why DOCTORS make these determinations, and not rando aholes on the internet. You know? Because they're both trained to understand the difference and willing to be held accountable for the effacacy of their ministrations. Something YOU won't be on the hook for.
if it wasn't dylan mulvaney, it would've been another innocent trans person soon enough. it seems the horrific boom of transphobia was just a ticking time bomb. any vaguely known trans person would have set them off. I hope she's okay and I hope she doesn't blame herself
Growing up I was raised without ever seeing or hearing about anything LGBTQ, yet still I knew I wasn’t just into girls thanks to an Adventure Time episode with Marshall Lee, this was in 2011. Despite never hearing or seeing anything LGBTQ i still ended up bisexual. Now in 2023 I know I’m Bisexual and Bigender, that’s just how life goes, you just have to figure yourself out!
Lol, I'm the opposite. Growing up I was told about gay and lesbian people at 10 and learned about trans people before 12 in elementary school. Even at the time I was able to understand both for as far as explained it (which was quite in depth mentioning hormone theraphy, surgeries and the experiences of a trans guy). and here I am, a cis straight dude. Together with the vast majority of those that experienced that with me. This was wel over decade ago btw
Same, where I grew up there was literally no representation and somehow I still ended up trans and gay. Things are getting better though, series like heartstopper are incredibly important and I'm glad young people have access to it now
I needed this today. Honestly I need a break from all of it, the hatred, the microaggressions , the constant fight to just to exist and be seen as valid. But the perspective “don’t listen to cis people” is what I needed. It makes it all so simple. My mental health has been in the toilet lately, and this actually helps. Thank you, Jamie. I’m sorry you felt you had to rant.
People losing their marbles over trans people and representation and inclusion is so tiring. Like some are sticking their noses in spaces they don’t belong. At least with the “boycott” of items and companies that means more for me to buy from companies that are standing their ground.
It is most definitely the better route but you don't need internal peace since like what I got was I learnt to accept and sometimes love the madness within me that things like transphobes raging over an ad like this is completely comical and ridiculous for how pathetic they make themselves out to be.
for me it's the fact that LITERALLY NO OTHER MENTAL ILLNESS spreads via "social contagion." nobody is like "this character with depression made me develop depression" or "this ad for anxiety medication made me want to have anxiety." NO mental illness can spread via awareness or "social contagion" - it literally just helps people who already have it come forward and seek help. and gender dysphoria is classified as a mental illness because it interferes with a person's daily functioning; when you're constantly experiencing dysphoria over your gender incongruity, you can't live a normal life, you can't focus on your job or household responsibilities, you can't have satisfying and fulfilling social interactions. so calling gender dysphoria a mental illness is not some "gotcha" against trans people. and the treatment is the same as the treatment for any other mental illness - depression? take medication so you're not depressed anymore. anxiety? take medication so you're not anxious anymore. dysphoric over your gender? transition so your gender is no longer incongruous and *take medication so you're not dysphoric anymore.* there is no "make your brain gender agree with your birth sex" medicine. the ONLY treatment to eliminate the dysphoria over gender incongruity is *TRANSITIONING.*
Yeah it’s so idiotic when they’re like “gender dysphoria is a mental illness and it should be treated as one!!!” because like. Yes, it is. Yes, it is treated as one. What did they think transitioning care was, a fucking hobby???
Very valid point, but i don’t think many of them see trans identity/dysphoria/euphoria as a “legitimate” identity or condition alongside clinical depression, anxiety, etc (if they even accommodate for those.) Willful ignorance is a huge factor in this, so despite the heaps of evidence & documentation proving trans identity is more than just psychosis or delusion, this fact is unfortunately difficult to convince people of.
It's also important to remember that these folks don't believe the dysphoria is the issue, it's the trans people themselves. Treating dysphoria or speaking about it accurately requires at least a small amount of willingness to listen to the trans community, and we all know that's not exactly on a bigot's daily list of things to do. They're not interested in providing treatment for dysphoria because they don't believe trans people are real or valid in their feelings to begin with. They simultaneously believe trans people like myself are nonexistent, but also rampant and a danger to their children. It's hatred, plain and simple, they don't want trans people to live happy fulfilling lives, and they make it all too fucking obvious.
Anyone who says that being trans is a mental illness and then goes on to bully them, then you think its perfectly ok to bullying anyone with any mental illness, I shall now go harrassed people with depression cause its ok apparently. Edited because of extremely bad grammar.
@@al_eggsalso i wouldn't be sure that people like that don't think that depression, autism, adhd and other mental illnesses aren't social contagion. they'd probably say teens are just faking being depressed or adhd
I had a friend who is cis (and im pretty sure he's also aro-ace but i never told him, just my ace-finder doing its thing ig). Our friendship ended once I realized just the kind of views he held about me and who i am. He had this false perception that women are somehow inherently worse than men and it only took me three times of explaining about how structural sexism in history still holds women back today for him to start realizing that he may be wrong. Though the thing that really did it for me was him saying that "It's a bit narcissistic to think you know more about a group of people just because you are part of it" like of course i know more about a group of people if I'm part of it? That's how knowing works. Either I'm pretty sure all of his experience with how women and trans people work is just from reading and listening to cis men talk about these things. He told me he did so much research cause he was interested in it and that somehow put him on the same level of knowledge and education about the group as an actual member of the group. And as much as I hate gatekeeping, that is just not how that works. John will always know John very well, and Robert could never possibly know John as much as John himself does.
Yeah, but book learning and learning through experience are two different things. You can read all the books you want on anatomy but that doesn't make you a surgeon or a doctor.
“It’s pretty narcissistic to think you know about the medical field just because you’re a doctor” - same non-logic as what your ex-friend seemed to have used
@StopLGBT-ss7rw Oh, look everyone. A big mouth, right-winged 'murican, snowflake, bigot has entered the chat. For those of you that aren't aware, big mouth, right-winged 'murican, snowflake, bigots are actually a quite rare offshoot of humanity. The scientific name for them is "Homoidioticus Ignorancis Americanus". The are known to be of lower intelligence than other humans. They bark loudly and aggressively, and they also love to flaunt their stupidity as part of their mating ritual. Quite an interesting subspecies. I'd love to catch a few for research, to see how small their brains are in comparison to humans and other primates. Current studies so far, indicate their brains to be about half the size of a pygmy marmoset. Another interesting fact about them is that they are suspected of being the result of early hominids cross breeding with common bridge trolls.
"it's a mental illness so why is it treated medically" you mean why i take physical pills for my mental depression, ruining my perfectly fine liver? "It's a social contingent!" Oh? I didn't know mental health spreads like that, i wonder how many I've accidentally made clinically depressed via exposure 😱
"It's a mental illness so why is it treated medically." IDK, maybe because THE BRAIN IS A GODDAMN ORGAN IN THE BODY, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGAN? Also because mental/neurological issues can manifest themselves in other places in the body: one of the more common physical symptoms of autism spectrum disorder is various gastrointestinal issues, and to that end I take Prilosec and Gas-X every night. Sure, you can say "it's all in my head," but taking a couple of pills beats not being able to sleep at night due to severe acid reflux and having an elevated risk of esophageal cancer.
I mean being trans is not a mental illness, but also, the idea that mental illness and physical illness are totally different, separate things is a false dichotomy, one that mental health advocates are trying to get us to move past as a society. Mental illnesses should be categorised the same as other illnesses, mental disabilities should be categorised the same as physical ones, we need to get rid of this bs hierarchy where physical ailments are seen as more "real" and more deserving of sympathy.
Your video made me think about a clip that i see regularly from (i think) french television It’s a présenter speaking with a trans man, he asks : « so you are a trans person, you transitionned from female to male, but most importantly : are you happy? » and the trans man answers « yes very much ». Then another cis man sitting next to him goes « yes but Jesus… » and the presenter interrups him immediately : « oh shut the f*ck up! » and that’s litteraly the end of the ‘debate’ This is definitely one of the best moment of the french tv i like it so much 😂😂
Anytime I see a " boycott this company" because they support LGBTQIA+" I make sure to go out of my way to support them and send them letters thanking them for their inclusivity!❤ We are all people, cis or trans doesn't matter, if you aren't trans, what does it cost you to be respectful of someone who is? Being Trans is not new, we are just figuring out how to help these people live their authentic lives, LIVE being the important part of that. Live & Let Live. Thank you Jamie for standing up against this BS. I have multiple people in my family who are trans and I love them for who they are, as they are. No judgement because they are human just like the rest of us and that is all that matters. Sorry, rambling now because they (the haters) make me so mad. Love. Love. Love. It costs nothing. Hate eats these people alive and they do it to themselves.
the letter thing is definitely something the community should be employing more imo. companies care more about getting positive feedback compared to negative. every time a company goes out of their way to be lgbt inclusive, we should be sending letters and emails thanking them for helping us become visible and further normalised in the societal lense.
Don't do this. The company is only "supporting" us so they can take our money. Under capitalism, our identities are exploited. If supporting homophobic and transphobic policies was popular they'd be doing that. It's all about making money unfortunately.
They get upset about the smallest things so they don't have to actually look at themselves and realize how shallow and selfish they really are. They also conflate things really easily. IO had to yell at my own father to get him off a topic because he was conflating being gay with being a pedophile and I'm Trans, my nephew is Gay so he was getting upset about pedophilia and lumping me and my nephew into the category because of his mentally conflating them. They see LGBTQ+ and all they think is pedophilia or some other form of abuse, and they haven't got the mental capacity to move beyond that. I had top surgery JUST before covid hit. I have not had a day where I questioned it. I have a condition called keloid scarring, so my scars look worse than the average and I don't care because that surgery lifted at least one thing that I live with on the daily. I no longer get dysphoric looking at myself coming out of the shower, at least waist up, and haven't questioned my identity since I first started transitioning. Trans people today are getting similar treatment to what disabled people once got, and LGBTQ+ laws used to do. Unless you conform to the mainstream, you are hidden, criminal, sinful and unwanted. As long as your disability or condition doesn't get seen they don't care about it or you. Once you're seen, you become a representation of everything they fear about themselves so throw the hatred onto you.
So, I have a very deviated septum and I need septoplasty surgery. One of the docs goes like "Oh, will you do a rhinoplasty together?" and I was like wtf bro? What do you mean you are just asking me if I want to change the shape of my nose for no good reason? I just want to breath and dance and run without pain and passing out. But my friend that is trans needs to be on hormones for two years if she wants to get transaffirming surgery. Also, I want an histerectomy because I have endometriosis and I will probably need to battle that one out. Well well. Surgery world is crazy as fuck (I had a gall blader removal 3 months ago, I can talk a lot about surgery now haha).
Cisnormative conservative bigots not only defend the unconsented surgeries and medical "normalisations" of intersex children: they want us to remain silent and ashamed, and they double down the erasure of our existences by their own gross lies about trans children they pretend to be "victim of irreversible surgeries". In the sick and twisted cisnormative paradigm, neither trans nor intersex children do exist: according to them, the very kind of irreversible unconsented surgeries that they force on us intersex children could only be perpetrated by terrifying evil "transactivists" on innocent cis children. Which is a terrible confession: cisnormative conservative appear to know what they promote is bad, but all they achieve to do about it is project their own practices on other.
This is what I said too. Trans children simply changing their name, pronouns, and clothes they wear is considered "mutilation", but no one cares when intersex babies are forced to get reassignment surgery against their will to make them look "normal", the only people who will be looking down there are the kid themselves and pdf files.
I wonder if the same outcry would be apparent if they were to show a cis male with gynecomastia who had had his breast tissue removed? Excellent point.
@StopLGBT-ss7rw Oh no, shiver me timbers, dear lord, Im positively shaken that a person who cannot type the letter i is burning some rainbow flag they spent their own money on, positively stricken with dread and fear rn
This reminds me of a few months ago when I (transmasc) was looking up my options for different surgeries. Instead of getting answers to my question about price and available surgeons, it showed me pages and pages of people that had regretted their transition (it was just the same 6 people in different articles). I was getting really discouraged so I closed the window, and not even one day later, I had ads upon ads about people regretting their transition and how "disgusting" we trans people are. Seeing all those ads and articles is even worse because I live in Sweden which is often praised for it's inclusivity by people that don't live here. Sweden sucks guys, just like the rest of the world! Especially after the SVT released a super transphobic series where they only interviewed people that regretted their transition. I still have no clue how much it's gonna cost me and I really wanna start saving up. If anyone knows, can you help?
a new program in Australia just did an indentical thing, only interviewing destrasioners and getting zero opinion from people happy with their transaction along with only interviewing "profesional's" against transition
I got 8 minutes in and had to stop. I want to just curl up in a ball and cry. I didn't chose to have crippling dysphoria. I didn't chose to be a medical patient for the rest of my life. I just want to live my life, and people hate me and anyone like me.
Things are hard right now but if you look at history, this nonsense was aimed at gay and lesbian people shortly before society got more accepting. They had to fight for it and that fight is still ongoing but things did get better. This is a reaction to us becoming more visible and trying to be accepted. It’s the last dying gasp of bigots who are scared of realising their narrow world view isn’t truth. It may take a while to get better but it will happen and the world is so much better from having your authenticity in it.
@@CreativeRed4 Indeed. I haven’t felt this way since since I was a young parent in cap hill Seattle in the early 90s with AIDS being the excuse to terrorize our communities, as if we weren’t dealing with enough then. I hate seeing so many in fear and pain all over again. Exhausted with you my kin.
As a cis-hetero woman I appreciate these types of videos. I don't use social media much, what a time suck, so many of these things go unnoticed by me. I also appreciate the information and education on trans issues and trans history. Cis-hetero men view the female breast as a source of their sexual pleasure and are offended when they are reminded it is simply a body part that for some ppl has no use. Then there are cis women who fully believe breasts are a sign of womanliness, a symbol of motherhood, and again get upset when reminded that for some ppl their breasts don't mean either of those things, nor do either of those things hold any importance to them. Those women somehow feel their own views on being a woman are threatened when other ppl don't agree with them. As for the "healthy breast tissue" issue, affirming vs cosmetic surgery...I have story, not mine, a friend tho. When I was in 8th grade a girl I had yet to meet had breast reduction surgery, shortly after her 14th birthday. She had a total of 6 lbs of breast tissue removed, her surgery included a complete removal of her areolas and nipples, with her areolas being extremely reduced in size before being reattached. Her scars go from armpit to armpit, with a vertical scar going up to each nipple, plus a faint scar around her areolas. Her breasts were so large she could not buy bras, even from speciality stores, cuz they didn't have band sizes small enough, so her Mom had to make her bras. She has permanent indents in her shoulders from the weight of her breasts pulling on her straps. Prior to surgery she had constant headaches, neck and back pain. She began to develop in the 3rd grade, so when she was 8 - 9 yrs old. She had grown men looking at her chest, making comments on her chest BEFORE she had even had her period. She HATED her breasts, she never felt comfortable in her body. She was insecure with herself, how she was treated by other kids - the old stereotype that girls with big breasts must be sluts, and was becoming withdrawn and depressed. Thankfully she had a supportive family who agreed to the reduction surgery, they found a Dr who agreed to the surgery, that due to her size and the physical problems they caused he could get approval to do the surgery, have it be covered by insurance and it would NOT be considered cosmetic surgery. I met her a yr later, of course I had heard her name before, so when she introduced herself I blurted out "Are you the girl that got her boobs reduced?" & that is how we became friends cuz she appreciated the fact that I asked her instead of acting like I hadn't heard anything (small town, 1 public middle school, 1 public high school). She allowed me to ask all my questions & answered them for me - which is why I know so much. A yr post surgery she was still adjusting to her body, she was still dealing with her insecurity, she was still dealing with ppl talking about her - for a new reason, BUT men no longer made gross comments about her body, she was gaining confidence, she could buy the clothes she wanted, she could go swimming cuz she could buy a suit and didn't feel the need to hide her body, but most of all she was happy. Btw, her surgery was done over 30 yrs ago. She has no regrets about having it done, or having it done at such a young age. Now this story is about another cis-hetero woman, but it has so many parallels to things I have heard trans ppl say about how they felt about themselves pre and post transition. I will never understand why my friend could have a surgery that helped her mentally, emotionally, physically and it is seen as ok, but when trans ppl make the choice to medically transition for many of the same reasons, why all of the sudden is surgery seen as something bad? Cuz much of the arguments against trans ppl having surgery fall flat when used against my friend's story. While I know my friend's experience is not the same as what trans kids & adults go thru, her experience did give me that bridge to understand how important it is for trans kids to be allowed to transition, how important it is for trans adults to have surgery if that is what they want, how hard it can be to live in a body that doesn't feel right and will never feel right. I want all trans ppl to be able to experience the same sense of self acceptance, confidence, happiness that she did. No one should be denied the chance to be happy.
the whole "removal of healthy breasts" thing sounds an awful lot like "I have a right to stare at theses boobs and now they have been taken away but also I realize that sounds insanely sexist so I try to make it a tiny bit less sexist"
They already send people around to assault butch-looking cis women in restrooms. The "collateral damage" against cis people the transphobes see as gender-non-conforming probably in some cases hits more cis folks than the trans folks the 'phobes are targeting.
I will not be surprised if it has actually happened at some point. Transphobes went after a cis woman with PCOS, caling her a "man in a dress" even though she was assigned female at birth. What did we say? Transphobia is just thinly veiled misogyny.
I'm having my top surgery in November and am already bracing having to claim I'm just a cis dude with gynecomastia when I go swimming because some idiotic phobe feels upset by my scars. Just let us exist.
I do suspect the next stage will feature them eating themselves as they catch each other partaking of what they have indicated they won't, through the lack of choices they have caused themselves
I hope we can get this craziness behind us soon. People used to get outraged over interacial marriages and now almost no one does, or if they do they get promptly shunned away for that kind of bigotry. We'll build a better, more educated, more inclusive world for everyone. Together🤗❤💛💚💙💜
Whether being self-taught or taught by someone else there will always be at the very least a fringe of this kind of craziness unless you can develop a way to temporarily or permanently switch off the emotions and feelings of transphobes.
Funny how none of these people have a problem with women putting silicone in "perfectly healthy breast tissue". I mean, its more or less the same thing, altering your body to fit your expectations
There has been a mockery of women having plastic surgery since I've been a child, and irl seen women referred to as "Barbie fake" and "Kardashian-esque" all the time lol
I'm tired of even allies having discussions about trans issues without a trans person or professional in sight. If you are an ally, put in the effort and find a freaking relevant person to discuss it.
The only problem with this is there's not always a trans person around, or professional to ask get involved in the conversation. Would it be that allies don't say anything? Just let the bigotry go on? As an ally (and more), I can't do that. But what I DO try to do is stay informed and if I'm not sure, look up the relevant information from credible sources. Because as an ally, that's part of the job.
I’m an ally and I only discuss what I’m dealing with because of transphobes. They misgender me because I’m not especially feminine looking. I’ve been called the t word irl. And a minor assault. 1) Transphobia is never OK. 2) Transphobia hurts everyone and sets feminism back a decades. 3) They can’t actually tell.
@@twiztedsynz It's not so much that you say nothing, it's that you wait for your turn to speak. If there's no one else you're speaking over then you're fine.
I am an ally, and I recently had a discussion with my friend about the transgender movement and community. She is not necessarily transphobic just misinformed, so I was filling her in on the correct information. I am not trans and there wasn’t a trans person in the conversation. Should that conversation then never have happened? I don’t know many transgender people and to be honest I’m more informed on trans issues and trans rights than the transgender people that I do know, as the topic has been my special interest for a long time.
I haven’t seen any backlash about this at all because I no longer use the platform formerly known as Twitter. It’s so much better over here. “At this point transphobes are looking for things to get angry about”. Yes! That’s transphobia in a nutshell. That’s what bigotry has always been about and what separates them from the general person looking to be educated and informed.
I had no exposure to transgender anything except the hate of them until I moved out of my parents influence, and that was after I realized I myself was trans. I was 22 when I realized. I'm 24 tomorrow. When I was asked 'Are you trans?' That day at work I started to think about it and why they asked me. I told them about how I grew up, that I feel more comfortable with a feminine appearance in person and online, I was wearing prosthetic fucking breasts... it hit me so hard when they asked me that I had a huge epiphany. Now a little over a year later I'm on hrt and have my first life goal. Hearing people talk about how being exposed to trans people will contaminate the youth or a company that sponsors someone that's lgbtq+ will make you gay upsets me so much. My stepdad told me that he won't drink bud light because he's not a f*g. The only hate I have is towards those that trample over other people and those that spread misinformation and hurt others intentionally
Ivw gotten a ton of transphobic ads snd recently gotten a ton more transphobic people harassing me, but whenever you upload you make my day Jamie. Thank you so much!
The healthy breast tissue argument always pisses me of so much! My mother had breast reduction surgery when I was a teen, because they were quite large and they were making her already awful back issues just so much worse. The amount of people that told her that she was making a mistake, that she was mutalating her body, that she would regret it, that she wasn't a real woman for doing this was shockingly high and just so awful. The fixation on women's breasts is insane and if it would be easy to remove them I'd do it in a heartbeat. I can't even image how much worse this is as a trans man. That being said the transphobia in English media (both US and UK) is always somewhat shocking to me. I'm from a country where it's really almost never brought up in media and generally speaking it's widely accepted. Not to mention that 2 pretty well known women in our country are trans women (1 of which won our version of Top Model 8 years ago). I'm sure these 2 women still receive awful messages (1 is pretty visible on tv in our country and the other is on CZcams with a channel in English), but the mainstream media certainly doens't agree with the awful transphobes and luckily don't give them much of a platform if at all.
That's such a weird statement... "removing the healthy breast tissue" .... what?? it's ok for me to remove the healthy fat from my butt! Who is anyone to dictate what we have to keep if we don't want it?
the bigoted reaction towards just "trans people exist" is absolutely deplorable, the way these people try so much to cause harm to things they dont understand and have nothing to do with is terrible and needs to be called out as the hate crime it is
Well, if people are so obsessed with 'healthy woman's breasts', they can have mine after I've had mine cut off (even if they are probably not so healthy after that....)
Same fam. I don't want em. If I can give away a child away by literally just dropping it off in a baby box at a fire department, why can't I also throw away my boobs??? My chest shouldn't be harder to get rid of than my theoretical child.
The first 6 seconds is hilariously well timed, bc youtube is putting transphobic adds on your video. :/ There is no LGB without the T. We are all together
"this is exhausting for trans people" Jamie, that's the POINT. They're literally employing the same tactics they've employed for all the other horrific policies and social conventions they've successfully gotten through (like prohibition in the USA, abortion bans, marijuana bans etc.); by just hammering away at their targeted minority opposition and counting on the inaction of the neutral majority. They are counting on the trans inclusive communities to get tired of it and give up, to capitulate out of exhaustion; a tactic explicitly described and employed by Newt Gingrich here stateside, as an example.
I genuinely don't underside transphobia. The common "logic" is just weird. I was born a baby. That doesn't mean that I am a baby now. I also hang out with black people, and that doesn't infect me with their blackness. There's just a large variation in what kinds of humans exist. People aren't all just copy and paste clones of each other.
So would all of these people be "physically repulsed" by someone who had a double-mastectomy for cancer-related health issues? Some people get "healthy breast tissue" removed to avoid the likelihood of cancer.
@@1nhof But the result of a double mastectomy is the same regardless. If you see someone with top surgery scars and think "But do they have a penis?????" and if you decide they do, you get nauseous, that's on you. You are the one who made yourself nauseous.
I had a stressful day of having to go to a "women's health clinic" today as an NB. So seeing the progression flag on the door was a massive relief. I for one, am definitely more likely to take my business to someone who has pro trans advertising!
I'm cis and I legitimately do not understand the hate against trans people. I straight up don't get it. There's no threat, no perversion, no loss of rights for cis people for becoming aware of trans people in the world, and there's only positive to come to the trans community and, I believe, to society at large.
People are transphobic for the same reason they are homophobic. It's not about protecting someone, it's about disgust or misinformation. People either find trans people icky, or are too stupid to fact check transphobic propaganda
What really drives me nuts with all these stupid hurdles a trans person has to get past to get the treatment they need just creates more trauma that's then pointed to as a reason to deny treatment. "Oh you were mistreated, excluded, and physically assaulted for being trans? Well then clearly you need to deal with that PTSD first before we can trust you that you're actually trans." 🤦🏻♀️ It's circular logic at it's worst and only serves to create more harm for not only trans people but society in general as someone with severe mh symptoms is going to be far less productive than the same person healthy and happy post transition.
Good job Jamie for telling people cis women have to shave. Lots of cis women have facial hair. Im a Harry's guy myself but really makes me want to buy more razors from different companies that support us.
Same reason they got upset at a beer company because a trans person promoted the product. Dylan wasn't even in an actual ad, she promoted it on her own social media and they got mad.
Idk how these people can behave like this so shamelessly. Like.. I was talking to my sister who came out this year and just got a girlfriend and was just telling her.. yanno if you need contraceptives I gotchu and I mentioned that I know a lot of men keep condoms in their wallets and not to do that and I immediately felt gross about my wording. Because I meant like if she went to her dad or any man about it they may recommend it but it's not a good idea because the heat and friction over time and whatnot with the integrity of the latex. But my brain freaked thinking it could have come off as misgendering her. (She got what I meant thankfully 😭😭) Like I felt so gross over the possibility of an accidental misunderstanding.. how can they be so unabashed and proud of their behavior and garbage stance... I don't understand it at all.
@Lee-eg8ul same 😭😭 I never want her to think in any capacity that I don't support her. I'm literally learning how to do makeup for her because she's getting into it but neither our mother nor I have ever learned how to do it lol. So now I'm like fuck I gotta be a big sister and learn. Same with hair lmao and fashion
@@LatulaArtswell you can learn together and that can make it more fun. I'm cis female, but my idea of make up is, slap on some eye shadow, mascara, face powder and a bit of lip gloss. I'd be useless with some of the more complicated makeup looks of today.
@@silverghostcat1924 I'm a cis woman as well, I've just always preferred extra sleep over getting up earlier to put work into my appearance lmao I'm a pajama goth 🤷♀️ give me an oversized band tee and some flannel pajama pants and I'm happy. She asked me to teach her to do makeup and so I'm scrambling to learn lol. I can kind of do eyeliner on myself now.. my lip liner is still super shaky though and I can't contour for the life of me 😭 I also can't afford to get her makeup herself and our skin tones are different, so my foundation would be way too pale on her. Curse the scouts for making her go outside and in the sunlight lmao. So it's learning on myself til I can get her her own products.
@@LatulaArts 😸 thank the powers that be there are so many online tutorials! When I was in highschool back in the early 70's it blew my mind that girls were getting up thirty minutes early to do their makeup. Beauty rest was better in my mind 🤣
If "exposure" to trans people "made you trans", then why am I cis? My heart goes out to all my trans and non-binary siblings for this irrational targeted hatred. It is bloody exhausting, and I'm not even trans or NB myself. Love to all feeling the weight of this nonsense.
Gods, we need more people like you. A lot of people in school think I’m “non-binary just for attention”, when the only type of attention I’m getting is rumors about me and how I’m trans.
Yep, I spend a lot of my time (possibly even most of my time) around trans people and I am still stubbornly cis lol. The idea that being trans is contagious is insane and ridiculous
@coleen - exactly. Plus why does "exposure" to cis people not "make you cis"?
These were the same kind of people upset at the visibility and acceptance of left-handed people and wanted to force left-handed people back into the closest.
Oh, that's because cis people who are educated about trans issues, and who have explored their own gender identity and concluded that they are still cis, tend to make for the strongest trans allies. They have some idea of what trans people go through and are more likely to be empathetic, and we obviously can't have that.
Thank you sweetie
What angers me is the term “transgender ideology.” There is no ideology. People aren’t debatable. There’s also no “gay agenda” or “Jewish problem.”
Indeed all there is is fascists.
@@trevorchester4439 If it is, it's a Feminist one..
But lets unpack this for one moment, if we are talking about ideas that have no proofs we are talking about ideologies of which one would have to agree includes religion of which is where all this anti trans stuff sprang from.
Imagine the absurdity, an ideology is seeking to delegitimise an ideology and quite possibly because it feels threatened by new ideas.
@@trevorchester4439human beings existing is not an ideology. Try again nazi.
@@trevorchester4439 No, science seeks to prove it's ideas, religion does not, for religion is like politics in that it is all about evidence free belief.
@@trevorchester4439 "a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy."
Demonstrate how people's identities are intrinsically political, or admit you're making shit up.
Would they be repulsed by a woman with a mastectomy for cancer???? Just ridiculous!!!
Unfortunately the answer is probably yes.
or no because they'd be like "her case is different, it was cancer,yours is not" bs@@PlatinumAltaria
Yes.
yes, a woman to these people is only her looks more often than not
A shocking number are. They'll try to cover it with sympathy and prayers because it's just so saaaad that she had to remove them to save her life. But they won't treat her as a whole person unless she gets implants so she "looks" normal.
As it's October and "Breast Cancer Awareness Month" in the US, just watch for the staggering number of posts and ads touting a "Save the boobies!" mentality instead of "Save LIVES".
(also, consider this a reminder, if you have breast tissue, you could get cancer in it, so do your self-exams, be familiar with your normal, and don't wait if you find something weird happening!)
The “if you show scars you’re glorifying surgery” people seriously must have spent under 0.00001 seconds thinking about the logic in that. I have a scar on my cheek from a mild injury when i was 3. Am i glorifying being cut in the face by a table by existing? No. If someone has crutches because they broke a leg, are they glorifying breaking their leg? No. That’s just part of us, and a trans person having scars visible is the exact same; they’re not “glorifying” surgery by existing, they just had surgery, and they are existing. It’s just such a dumb point of view
Why were you fist fighting a table, if you don't mind telling me.
@@1th_to_comment. If I may make an assumption, being a kid who doesn't have perfect control of it's balance yet, and running around before hiting the table might be a probable cause. It happened to me and I now have a scar on one of my eyebrows.
I can't believe you walk around glorifying being cut in the face! Have some decency! Lol
Oh no, I am glorifying children hitting their heads on cupboard corners! 😂
Not to mention because less visible but in retrospect more scary: riding too fast down a hill on a sleigh and getting hit between the eyes by a twig! 😱
One of my stuffed animals, Lemonade, is the endometriosis bunny from mysterious American mcgee. She has lap scars. In no way does that glorify laparoscopy. I don’t look at her and go “wow those are so cool, laparoscopy must be so cool” and I doubt anyone else would. I get excited because I also have lap scars. This would be the same with literally any surgery I feel like. I don’t see why it’s any different with top surgery, aside from the fact that bigots suck.
I hate people's obsession with "healthy breast tissue". I'm not even trans but I'm in high debate on someday removing my breasts if I can. I've had so much trauma revolving around them, especially when they were first growing. The only good that came out of them was that they fed 2 out of 3 of my babies but now that I'm done having kids, I'd love to just get rid of them.
Healthy, happy people matter more than healthy tissue.
That's an absolutely valid choice, and you should always be able to decide what you want your own body to look like.
I'm a cis woman. I had a double mastectomy to flat done almost four years ago now. I've been so much happier in my body since then. I haven't regretted it once.
@divergentdreamer that's honestly the dream for me right now! I'm happy to read that though, it makes me feel better about how I'm feeling ❤️
My boobs stress me TF out. I wish I could take them off at will
I never understand the children aspect of these arguments. Are children shaving? Are children drinking beer? It's clearly a thinly veiled excuse for transphobia.
@@trevorchester4439not really
@@trevorchester4439 not at all.
@@trevorchester4439that was hilarious desperation!
@@trevorchester4439 No, they weren't, lol
@@trevorchester4439 citation needed
Even if top surgery was considered cosmetic surgery, would we not need to ban ads who feature models who have had cosmetic surgeries? They only care about this because they want trans people to be excluded and unseen in society. This is a non issue.
everybody gangsta until a cis man develops gynecomastia and needs a mastectomy to remove his unwanted breasts.
Because it wasn’t cosmetic surgery that benefits them ie getting to check out cis women with boob jobs etc they’re scared they’ll be attracted to a transperson then explode or turn trans themselves
Shoot, not just models but almost everyone (especially AFAB folks, but also AMAB) who appears in front of a camera for a living has gotten or will get some form of cosmetic surgery.
They get to lie to the rest of us to make us all feel ugly and make us want to buy things to look like them, but trans people can't just exist comfortably in their own dang bodies?!
@@Lady.Fern.yea and ive seen transphobes be really gross about top surgury their reasons are very self servering.
"You had perfrctly good breasts!" "Now youre chest is ugly!"
Yes we should ban everyone with boobjobs or BBLs or nose jobs. Disgusting mutilations! 🤮 What if my child saw them and wanted bigger boobas! 😱
i love that the same people that call lgbtq people "snowflakes" for being angry about their human rights being violated are now throwing a tantrum over a single photo in an ad that they most likely hadn't even seen prior to someone pointed it out. the call is coming from inside the house.
The term "Snowflake" has always been a projection, lol.
Same as "cancel culture": who have been known to always have censored, scandalized and banned arts, opinions, lifestyles, behaviors and people they don't agree with throughout the centuries?
The religious and conservatives, that's who! "Cancel culture" is nothing new, only the name is. They've been doing since the down of time, but since the "undesirable" are now able to ask for some respect, visibility and their right to exist free from fear and enough people agree to stop things that threaten those, the conservatives quickly needed a new name for their game of erasing everything one doesn't like, so they can accuse the others of doing that without making people see that they've been doing it (and still do it) all along!
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“Are now”? Nah they always been whining. This ain’t the first time lol
99.99999999% of ANYTHING negative i've heard said by queerphobes about our community is pure projection. like "snowflakes, they get mad when you misgender them!!!!" from a man with masculinity so fragile a fucking ping pong ball could shatter it
@StopLGBT-ss7rw we still don't care, whether you make 200 accounts or 2000 lmao
As a trans man who hasnt had top surgery yet this kind of shit is exhausting. I want it so badly but its so expensive. And the transphobes obsession with "healthy breasts" borders on fetishism to me
It's rough, my dude. I saved up for over a year to afford mine. Totally worth it, but damn that sucked.
You'll get there. Stay strong and stay safe. Much love ❤️
@@austinluther5825 I've been saving for about that long too lol. Still not much progress tho. But thanks for the reply and much love to you too!
Breast fetishization is super normalized and it's so weird.
Asking someone to think long and hard before they decide chop off a healthy and integral part of their body is fetishism according to you?
You do realize that surgeries all over the country (or even the world) are expensive in general. There are little kids with failed kidneys who can't get surgeries because of financial constrains and not because society has kidney fetishism. You are aware right??
@smrad1994 How are breasts at all integral to the body?
I can only imagine how amazing it must feel to have top surgery as a trans man. I'm a cis woman, and I was very uncomfortable with my breasts. I had the opportunity to have them completely removed, and I took it! That was four years ago, and I've been so much happier in my body. I feel more like myself. I can only imagine just how much more relief trans men must feel to have that weight gone (literally and metaphorically).
I'm coming up on my 10 year anniversary in 2 weeks of my top surgery. It was the first day I felt like I could really breathe.
@@duncansonoryanCongrats, that's awesome! 😊
@@LunaBoo12 thanks!! Best choice I ever made. It didn't turn out perfectly, but I'm so happy because it's perfectly me.
I've heard it can be a huge weight off your chest 😉😂
@@chrisbfreelance Everyone else in this thread is here sharing in each other's joy, so it seems to me like the only revolting thing is your attitude. Stop trolling and go home 🙄
Jamie is cool, transphobia is not. Thank you for speaking on such a brutal and continuous barrage of bigotry and transphobic rhetoric currently happening on TERF island. Trans rights are fundamental human rights, and us allies need to step up more than we ever have. Thank you for everything you do to tackle transphobic bigotry and misinformation
You sir/ma'm/Person are awesome
Don't forget about dinosaurs!
Seriously though, even though I'm (possibly) not trans (I'm slightly questioning), it's super disheartening to hear what's happening in the UK and the US. Thank god for Jamie and all the other trans influencers that are speaking up!
nah😌
Woah shiny message!! Also this, jamie is awesome
@@LoremIpsum-dp1lias an ENBY in the US, this shit makes me feel terrible for my trans and gender queer community.
If that man had a shirt on, they would have never known that was a transman. People are just offended that people exist outside of their extremely narrow view of what gender is.
Well, "he" could have had the shirt on but they(corporate panderers) went out of their way to make sure she was topless, bcz they wanted to cause a ruckus, and piss off the alt? Right. The bait worked.
Your just collateral damage
I wear a breast binder in the hopes that I get mistaken for an eleven year old boy (sometimes in a dress)
after centures of British colonialism imposing the gender binary theory, it is hard to escape that narrow view
@StopLGBT-ss7rw if you're looking for cocomelon, this isn't it
@@ShinyTillDawn
And the Spanish colonialism!
If a trans woman were to realize that they were actually not trans and were in that 1% then I bet the "healthy breast tissue" being "immoral" to remove would be thrown out the window real quick
they would definitely say something like "they weren't real in the first place!!!1!!1!1!1!1!2!!!!!"
Most transphobes from what I've seen aren't even aware of the fact that trans women have natural breasts, they seem to be under the impression that trans women have fake breasts.
No, then it'd be the evil trans people making them think they were trans with their social contagion and ruining their life. Cue lots of tearful "I regret transitioning and so will you" tiktoks.
@mystoxxiide9043 and if by that they mean "they're not a 'real' woman" they may actually be right for once, since the majority of people who detransition/regret their transition do so not because they don't identify as trans anymore, but because they can't live with the discrimination and social risks they live with as a visible trans person. Sad, but true.
Only a minority of detransitioners say they were confused about their gender identity when they decided to transition and usually they were confused because they didn't recognize themselves within their/society's image of their biological sex/gender and thus concluded they must be the opposite gender then in order be seen as who they are.
Ironically though, the transphobes' suggestion to prevent those edge cases they're supposedly so worried about, is to strengthen gender stereotypes and gender roles more, instead of dissolving them so everyone can just be themselves and follow their interests regardless of their sex or gender! 🤦♂️
I mean, tons of transphobes seem unaware that trans women grow actual breast tissue complete with mammary glands and everything, the amount of people who are baffled by the fact that some trans women can lactate and claim it's "fake" and "delusion" is ridiculous. People actually think that all trans women's breasts are 100% implants.
It’s kinda scary that the transphobes know what top surgery scars look like now. They’re evolving. They have intelligence. Not much, but still.
They went from 1 brain cell, to 2 brain cells.
It's not much, but it's enough to be terrifying
I can hear Worf from First Contact:
"They've adapted."
@@PolarNitaIsTired nah they still have 1 brain cell, it's just grown a micrometer
They've developed basic identification of images, THEY'VE ADAPTED
@@PolarNitaIsTiredyou mean they as a group went from sharing one brain cell to two right? Just want to clarify, because if they EACH had two now that would be truly horrific
What if it wasn't a transman, but a cis man that had to have top surgery because of cancer or gynecomastia; who wanted to show he wasn't ashamed of his scars? Would those transphobes still have a problem? Why can't people just let people (who aren't hurting anyone) be and learn to mind their own damn business?
A little gross to compare having cancer to something like this
@@DeezNutzOnYoChinnyChin why? There are many reasons people may have top surgery scars. And the fact transphobes refuse to take that into consideration is the point.
Honestly theres a good chance some of them would have a problem with that because they’re just looking to get mad at something, there’s no logic in their thought process
@@silverghostcat1924 The fact that you don’t see why is concerning
@@DeezNutzOnYoChinnyChin What about the fact that you run around posting vague disagreements with no elaboration?
Maybe tell them why it's wrong if you're really interested in a conversation.
Gotta love when transphobes are so late to the party that you can barely find the original ad.
Just shows how far behind the times they are 😂
Also important to note there was basically zero backlash to the original ad. However due to this wave of ant-trans propaganda that started picking up about a year or two ago. All of a sudden this ad that is 2+ years old is somehow "news" worthy for today according to 10 different conservative "news" websites.
@@404maxnotfound It’s just so stupid how far back we have gone as a society. I don’t understand why conservatives have picked trans people as their latest scapegoat. Just leave us alone.
Shows how desperate they are to find something to complain and cry about that they go searching for ads from years back just to have an excuse to be hateful.
@@404maxnotfoundholy shit, THE ANTS ARE TRANS!!!!?
Yep. Apparently I removed my "perfectly healthy uterus" and will regret it when I "wake up from my delusion". Apparently passing out from cramps and borderline needing a blood transfusion are delusions. Like just because someone is trans doesn't mean 100% of their medical care is because they are trans. Yes I'm trans, yes I had a hysterectomy, the two are not related. But people will still tell me I'll regret it one day and want to be a "real women" (aka have babies) even *after* I say my doc said it's really good I didn't want to be pregnant because she'd have had to advise me against it because it would be life threatening for me. Like why would I ever regret not being able to risk my life to do something I didn't want to do?
I am a 47 yo cis woman who has never had children, never wanted children, went through some nasty ménorragia, has been sexually active in a long term relationship for decades, and has been talked out of having partial hysterectomies, ablations and tubal ligation *EVERY* time I tried to bring it up with a doctor or obgyn (yes, even women ones) .
the disbelieving of women, cis and trans, and the ultimate "trump card" of "BUT BABIES" is a systemic & endemic problem in the entire medical community.
Those people are horrid even with people that don't have healthy uterus. I remember a news case of a cis girl that was refused hysterectomy for endometriosis, and the reason they refused was because "what about she wants children". And her case was severe enough that she was probably infertile anyway.
@@bumpgrrl yep, like I'm 20s and non-binary, but I've never wanted to be pregnant. Adoption yes, pregnancy no. I had random doctors who I mentioned wanting, and even scheduling, a hysterectomy who told me no one would do it before I was 35 with two kids, even if the first pregnancy went bad. It took me four docs to find someone who listened.
@@pablolevin9216 yeah, it's horrid. I've had people tell me some really nasty stuff about having had a hysterectomy. Including that I should unalive myself because my life was worthless now. It took me four docs to find someone who listened.
“Wait, so transphobia is just misogyny?”
“Always has been.”
🌍👨🚀🔫👨🚀
My favorite flavor of transphobia/any kinda queer phobia: “I’m not transphobic but *blatant, horrid transphobia* BUT YOU CANT CALL ME TRANSPHOBIC BECAUSE I’VE DECIDED THAT I’M NOT!”
Funny how they are allowed to label themselves but the same doesn't apply to us... (Though their label is actually unfitting in this case, huuuh the irony...)
“I’m not racist but “* says extremely racist shit*
Replace “racist” with most types of bigotry and you’ve got a significant portion of said bigoted group!
@ville2_ This is not a pro-Catholic space.
Just say that you will accept their self-identity as not transphobic if they accept your identity as trans. 😉
It's funny because it kinda becomes true if they do. 😁
I got that from my sister when she decided to “stand with J.K. Rowling”.
Took her another year to decide that no, she was a raging transphobe and declare that see sees me as an abomination before god, and taught her kids to only address me by my dead name (neither child was born when I began transition).
When she says kindness and sympathy, what she means is going "Oh poor mentally ill you, we need to put you in a room till you're "normal" again."
In the 1950s and 60s, people didn't like it when the professionals started recognizing that being gay wasn't a mental illness either. It's the same old story.
@@barrylangille3523and before then it was women wanting rights
@@cameronsharples2544 Before that it was "draeptomania," which was the term for enslaved people who had the completely insane and inexplicable tendency to attempt escaping their enslavement.
"Hysteria" began as a way to describe any woman behaving in a way men didn't like.
Y'know what the true Social Contagion is? Transphobia and Bigotry in general.
pure fact
@StopLGBT-ss7rw That's nice, dear.
and religious extremism
The Daily Telegraph has become a social contagion.
100 percent, and it starts at the parents. Phobia may not mean fear, but a lot of these people are, indeed afraid of something inside themselves. Something they could have expressed at one point, and were admonished for it.
I'm glad you mentioned the weirdness of the constant use of "healthy breasts." I'm a cis woman and it made me feel so gross. I'm bi and love boobs, but they're not sacred or special and glorifying them is C R E E P Y behavior. If boobs don't fit your image of yourself, they gotta go. I can't believe so many articles were written about this. Surgery scars are beautiful and should be a non issue.
I'm a trans lesbian. I love boobs so much I decided to grow a pair of them myself. They're pretty great, but they're not the absolute alpha and omega of existence. If you don't like the teat feel free to yeet.
@@tjenadonn6158 yassss welcome to the team! Feel free to yeet lmao amazing verbiage
god yes i just made a comment on this as well and im also a bi cis woman. also noticed how they talk about underage girl's breasts too, because thats not creepy at all and is totally normal behaviour.
And you just KNOW that these same people who tout this "healthy breasts" mentality are EXACTLY the same people who completely lose their shit when mothers breastfeed their babies "in public."
But "men like tiddy, don't destroy tiddy! 🤤😭"
I guess that's what goes on in the brain cell of those disgusting, pitiful "ooga-booga" cavemen 🤢! This kind of men make me wish I could identify as agender... 😪
Some trans guys need razors. Why wouldn't a razor company advertise their product to those who might need them? Wtf.
Your right, corporate greed should know no end. Go after every possible market.
But when you pivot to a new segment, the existing userbase will probably be unhappy to have "the others" lumped with them.
Also, trans actors need jobs
@@akale2620 Sounds like their problem, not trans people's. Maybe those people who consider trans people "the others" ought just _get over themselves._
@@sluttyMapleSyrup yes it is "their" problem. But why should they get over anything? They can yell and be loud and proud too. And maybe put braun in financial trouble like they did with bud.
@@akale2620 Why should anybody care that they're mad about having to see a minority they have an irrational prejudice against? Fuck 'em.
Bud Light didn't tank due to giving a trans person a beer can with her face on it. It saw a dip, but that's it. It recovered. Why should anyone give a fuck what a bunch of uneducated, narrow-minded, trash pules think about a historically oppressed minority getting some media representation?
_Aww, did someone have to see a body that isn't their ideal one or one they're sexually attracted to?_ Boo-fuckin'-hoo.
Braun is advertising a trimmer, not advertising a gender affirming surgeon. This ad is just the acknowledgement of trans people's existence. As a cis guy, I'm more inclined to buy a product from a company that's dedicated to inclusivity -- not just in their ads, but in their corporate policies regarding the treatment of their LGBTQ employees.
Yeah for real 😂 im a transwoman and im happy i already have Braun trimmers. I didnt know about this ad till today. But knowing this ad exists makes me respect the company a lot more. i would love to do an ad with me shaving my face with a Braun trimmer just to trigger even more transphobes. Ill be wearing like a pink towel around my chest have my long hair all up and painted nails girly af shaving my fuzzy face. Its not just men that use it. 😉 Braun is for everyone
If they're so worried about removing healthy breast tissue, why do they only care about the 7k or so trans men doing it and not about the 90k women having cosmetic breast reduction surgery? (US stats)
Because they hate not being able to control people who they see as women, no matter how little we look or act like actual women.
Oh, they do. Boobs are "for MEN to ENJOY! Women are MEANT to be SEXY!"
god that hurt to type lol
Because they don't believe those women exist either? I don't get it either.
I mean, those also do get a loooot of shit and also often have to jump through a lot of hoops. Probably for mostly the same reasons. Transphobes don't specifically bring them up in trans debates, but I promise you they also deal with societal crap about it.
This is a razor company. They aren’t even marketing towards children. The way they just jumped to the ad “promoting gender ideology” is crazy. The person in the photo is literally just existing, he’s not even doing anything other than shaving his face. You have to really search to even find the photo.
@ville2_ no it isnt. please get a life outside of 4chan and CP.
@@mcaggie2470 😭😭💀💀
@@howtodrinkwaterin5simplesteps what? that person ''joked'' in their community posts and video descriptions about a video called d***ys destruction being informative and educational. which is just not funny at all -.-
@@mcaggie2470 woah, yeah that totally isnt cool.
why are they even saying “tHiNk Of ThE kIdS” for a razor company??? What 6 year old is gonna be shaving?? As long as you don’t have a coronary over it the kids won’t care. Kids mirror your behavior. It’s common sense which is something these people CLEARLY lack
I'm equally pissed, sad, and scared. I am not even living in the US, but even here in my country, transphobia is on the rise because of the US. I'm mostly tired, to be honest. I just want to live my life and be happy while doing so - I just want to be myself without being afraid. Why is that a debate? I just don't get it.
Because the hard right has no policies to offer the people so has to divert them with culture wars - of which will not attend to their needs , just the needs of the hard right.
Vulnerable people are simply good scapegoats. Scapegoats are needed in order for particular groups of people to pass or escape from unethical or immortal actions so they use scapegoats to divert attention.
same. i am seeing all kinds of bigotry on the rise here in sweden. i've seen misogyny, racism, queerphobia, ableism, etc, etc come from so many of my peers (including myself at a few moments in the past). it's worrying.
Because people are obnoxious
The same thing happened when poc started appearing in adverts. It's nothing to do with worrying about children or anything of the like. It's pure, unadulterated hatred. Most people aren't transphobic, homophobic, racist, etc. These people just shout the loudest because their voices are so few they need to scream, whereas normal, unhateful people just don't care. Any non-hateful person would see this and just not care. It doesn't impact cis people, it might make a transmans day, it upsets transphobes. One day, the whole world, bar maybe some weird cults, will consider these transphobes ridiculous
"because their voices are so few they need to scream" I love that 0.0
Hopefully we get there within a few decades
It sure looks like you need to search hard, and know what you are looking for in order to find this particular ad and get offended by it.
@paulhammond6978 they'll do anything to "justify" their hatred. I can't imagine being so full of hate that it takes up this much of my life
@ville2_ 🥱
The whole “think of the children” thing is an old tired, but effective thought terminating cliche. As long as people make an issue about “protecting the children”, you will always have an audience and people listening to you unless you explain that it’s not for protecting the children and to harm everyone.
This massive wave of anti trans hate is purely based on “protecting the children”, as well as all anti queer hate in history.
It’s like how in America the republicans only base for banning gender affirming care is “protecting the kids”. I had to sit there and wonder, which kids? The ones you’re killing with the bill or your perfect cisgender babies who won’t even be affected by this?
It’s complete hypocrisy and manipulation
if it were about protecting the children, they would advocate for gun control to stop school shootings.
(spoiler: they won't.)
@@whoviating Yup. antivaxx, homophobia and transphobia, school “indoctrination”…
Have I missed any?
@@connergoessupersonic racists wanting to segregate schools and public spaces to "protect the white children" from black people not too long ago in the past.
The really awful thing is 'thinking of the children' is what trans people are doing. They are thinking about trans kids but also hoping for a world where all kids are kinder to each other and not taught to be hateful and cruel. That's why it bothers me so much when these people try and make it about the children. It also just comes off as so disingenuous, like these anti-trans people are using children like human political shields to get away with their hate, because that's what they are doing. And it's shameful.
Eventually they'll be mad for companies using the colours pink and blue and white together
they already got mad at pink, blue, and white appearing on characters and backgrounds in Gwen’s story from Across the Spider-Verse
I wouldn't be surprised if some transphobe somewhere has done this already
@@al_eggs and how people correlate that gwen could be trans because of the colors and the fact she has a *trans flag saying to stop killing trans kids* it really isn't even a far stretch to say she is trans tbh that's the sad part (i think that's what it said i haven't seen the movie in awhile)
@@Hey_im_Marcy all it said was “Protect Trans Kids,” which both viewpoints should in theory agree with (even though transphobes don’t know what “protecting” means in this context)
@@Hey_im_Marcythen they correlate with miles to being weird as if that makes a difference between anything like if they shagged. Their both teens, why TF would they shag, it's all just odd to me.
I really needed this video today, I've been listening a lot to someone who doesn't think I'm trans because A) I'm non-binary B) I may not "fully" transition
Yea love when people who say im not a "real transperson" because i haven't gotten every surgery known to man😭😭
Oh poor you ❤
Ugh, I hate people who think that trans people automatically "Get surgery". Like... no.
I know a friend who said to me they wouldn't do surgery (ftm) because in the end, it's not 'real enough' and if it wasn't that then there'd be no point.
Regardless of the reasons, it's a person's choice about surgery or not. I think next time I get that brought up I'm going to ask if that person gets every surgery they've ever been recommended for regardless of how they personally feel about it
It’s just irresponsible to force trans people to go through surgeries they aren’t confident in to “prove” something. This is the real world, medical complications are a valid concern, everything is expensive.
How the heck to you "fully" transition as a nonbinary person anyways? People are silly. Also hello from another fellow NB👋
As a cis person who's been watching Jamie's videos for years, if social contagion was a thing, you'd think I'd be trans by now. 😆
Social contagions are not all consuming. Some people are more vulnerable and more susceptible.
@@Em-Beeit’s almost like if a trans person doesn’t know what being trans is and they see happy trans person thriving than maybe they’ll realize that they can in fact be trans. And if this is the case that representation didn’t make that person trans they were always trans. The oc clearly wasn’t “turned” trans cause they aren’t trans. Just like how queer people growing up seeing cis and straight people there entire life are still queer. Cis people aren’t going to magically decide to be trans cause of trans representation. Shut up about your social contagion bs
Love when it's them it's boycotts but when we do it it's cancel culture.
I've long said that "cancel culture" is just capitalism/free market working as it's supposedly intended (I.e individuals "voting with their wallets" by deciding to either support or not support certain companies)
People need to stop listening to Matt Walsh and his bigoted friends on the Daily Wire.
Facts
Matt "I violate my children's consent all the time" Walsh to give it its full name.
@@tjenadonn6158matt "women are at their most fertile at 16" walsh
"B-b-b-b-but they say what everyone else is afraid to say!"
@@doktorj4k4lkee uh thats the worst they pretend that they are going agenst the world order in a brave manner to save everything from the Woke communist Liberal gay SJW Agenda thing
meanwhile hald the worlds goverments agree with them
Russia , the middle east , large parts of afrika
last time i checked these places had harsh laws agenst LGBTQ people
and its proven that russian propaganda is in europe and is fueling exactly these people
Reminder, top scars aren't necessarily always from transitioning, they may also be from surgeries to remove tumors from the breast which may also come at the cost of reduced breast size if the tumor is too deep inside of the breast. Even if it is usually quite minimal in the change. But the scars themselves are relatively common in men, women and intersex people. Although the two are visually distinctive.
Exactly. My Grandpa had them from cancer surgery.
There is an option to have a double mastectomy for gynecomastia (I think depending on how bad it is), which looks exactly like top scars for trans people. Although it seems to not be mentioned much, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
@ville2_dude what.
@@juno.moth17 It's a bigot spreading bigotry. Don't interact with it, just report it.
@@juno.moth17 don't feed the trolls, man. report and move on. he doesn't care about anyone's gotchas, he just wants clicks
I've owned multiple Braun shaving tools over the years, and if anything, seeing them be inclusive in their advertising only confirms I've picked a good brand. I have to say, as an afab who some days feels more like a girl than other days, I wish, if these phobes actually are "fighting for the rights of women", they'd spend some of their energy on telling young girls and women that having body or facial hair is okay, because the society really pressures women to be hairless. Millions of women spend time removing perfectly healthy bodyhair with some pretty horrifying methods, but I bet the phobes are fine with that.
Honestly, I wish the phobes would just shut up. They're not gonna win. I just wish they'd mind their own business for a change.
I'd missed that aspect of this. What a terrific post.
So if transphobes are “repulsed” by top surgery scars, does this mean I should keep my feet covered up, in case anyone is repulsed by the scars from the surgery to correct my club feet?
Ikr i should keep my cheek covered up in case someone’s scared of my tiny scar
Most people are repulsed by feet in general so please put some socks on.
@@SuperJJParker some footwear without socks and with feet showing is fairly common in some places tho
Y’all really love straw man arguments, huh?
@@SuperJJParkeryeah put them grippers away 🙄
didn't the razor thing also happen a few years ago? there was a commercial of someone teaching his trans son to shave and conservatives freaked out
Gillette suggested that men shouldn't sexually harass women and by SHEER COINCIDENCE a large number of men got angry at them.
@@PlatinumAltarialmfao
@ville2_ You've been trying to push this for literally years and you've not gotten anywhere. It's almost as though you guys are the ones who support child abuse...
@@PlatinumAltariathat backlash was wild too
I remember that ad. I saw it as a dad teaching his son to shave. 😊
Here’s my experience as a cis woman. My boobs were uneven and this bothered me. It felt like one of them just wasn’t right, and I hated that. So I went to my doctor and asked for breast augmentation surgery to correct this. He agreed, and I was put on a wait list. A year later, I had the surgery, and while the results were not ‘the perfect body’ I felt right and happy with myself. I’ve always been comfortable talking about the surgery I had, and I’ve never once been criticised or told I have ‘mutilated’ my body. I never heard that kind of discourse at all until I started seeing all these transphobic complaints popping up. It makes me sick that men like Jamie have to put up with this kind of nonsense, when it so clearly isn’t about protecting anyone. I got to make the choice to change my body without judgement, and I see no reason why others shouldn’t be able to do the same.
What a wonderful post. I had not thought of much of this pov, and appreciate you very much. I HAD wondered if these dingbats would censure augmentations as implanting "unhealthy breast tissue"? Or are they just, "I like breasts, so everybody has to have them"? Eeeew.
One of them wasn't right, because it was left.
@@CookiesRiot That’s just the kind of joke my dad would make! Lol, I even thought of it when typing the comment. :)
I'm not against transition surgery. They call me transphobic because I think you should be an adult before getting plastic surgery. I feel you need to be old enough to fully understand it.
I had breast reduction at 19 - as a cis het woman - and had to deal with so many negative and judgmental comments. I think heterosexual men are just obsessed with breasts and anyone who doesn’t want large or larger breasts is suspect even though having said breasts led to my feeling disfigured and like an object of aggressive male fantasies. I’m 61 and it’s a rare day when i don’t feel SO GRATEFUL that I got to have that surgery. Good for Braun.
Girl I just said the same thing! It really feels like it boils down to a sentiment like
"WAHHH! 🍼👶NOW THERES LESS BOOBIES IN THE WORLD FOR ME TO LOOK AT! WAHHH!! 😭😭😭"
@StopLGBT-ss7rwbut you’re not..that’s just a human micropenis in your profile photo
Honestly over the past year or so, I’ve just grown so desensitized to people being so mad about the existence of trans people in public that whenever something new gets boycotted or slammed on social media, I just get tired. Like, can we just be left alone? Please?
You can be left alone aslong as your ideology isn't harming others
@pietjewaanman3506 so why can’t we be left alone
@@one-onessadhalf3393 i don't know about your ideology but I do know that the most transactivists ideology is hurting others which explains why I/others are not leaving them alone.
I am totally fine with people being transgender. But that is not enough. Take Lia thomas for example. Lia is a man but he can be transgender if he wants. Totally fine. But why does he need to compete against woman? Why is he taking over their sport? Why are the woman he swims against forced to be in the same changing room as him? Why are they compelled not to speak out about it? These woman are hurt by Lia and the people protecting Lia. Why is the live of Lia more worth than the lives of all the woman athletes he swims against? Can you answer these questions?
@@pietjewaanman3506 Consideration: An ideology that negatively targets a specific group of people whose existence on its own poses no meaningful existential threat to others, is an ideology that harms others way more than it helps others.
If you care about child grooming, consider boycotting and exposing people and any affiliated organizations/corporations who commit, or otherwise support that stuff. They are of higher immediate priority to you than the "trans person who *might* groom a child." Expose them even if they're similar to you, whether in gender, sexuality, ethnicity, interests, personality, etc. That means nothing if they're grooming children, and you're an ambassador for stopping that, right? It's not like heterosexuals nor religious followers are immune to grooming children, so why don't you pay attention to their actions too?
If you're just hiding behind "thinking about the children" as an excuse to refuse acknowledging the existence and lack of threat of trans people, *you* are the one who has an ideology which harms others. Unless of course, you refuse to see trans people as human beings, thus allowing you to say "But they're not of my kind, so it doesn't matter."
If you attempt to use this kind of justification, the terms "hypocritical," "discriminatory," and "fascist" may best describe your stance towards trans people. To put it simply, an extreme POS similar to Hitler or Trump, who believed that certain kinds of people were beneath them, and seeked to eradicate them through genocide.
The obsession with what other people do with their breasts makes ME physically sick. I am a 64 year old cis woman who has literally suffered both mentally and physically for all my life once my breasts started to grow. Men treating them like they were their property to comment on and look at. My current size is 36HH and I would LOVE to have them gone, but I hate the idea of surgery. I applaud trans men for their courage in getting rid of them, given my time to come again I might do it, even though I have no desire to transition. A desire to socially transition is not new, its been going on for centuries if not millennia. These transphobes are very broken IMO.
It must be exhausting to be so angry and fearful all the time. As it is, I find myself getting weary of the sheer amount of manufactured outage. I know we need to push back against bigotry, but it's a soul-sucking exercise to be sure.
It's very alarming how many transphobic videos, shorts and comments I see here on CZcams. I know that statistically speaking transphobes are in the minority, but it sometimes feels like they have a much bigger presence then they actually do irl.
Seems like every single ad is either advertising "anti woke" products, pushing the conservative party, or some new AI scam involving elon.
It reminds me of when I read that the Westborough Baptist Church only has like, 70 people. Bigots tend to want to make themselves seem bigger than they actually are.
I agree though. The amount of times I've gotten ads for that damn Epoch Times "documentary" is infuriating.
Algorithms and algorithms that are all about revenue generation
Squeaky wheel syndrome.
That's fascism for you. A small but very noisy minority. Normal people dedicate little time to hate because hate is the exception. It's something that signifies a treat. And dealing with treats is tiring. Normal people only deals with treats the minimum possible.
But these kind of people are different. Hating isn't dealing with a treat, it's comforting and relaxing. I know it doesn't make much sense, but that's what I can observe of this kind of behaviour.
This whole top surgery outrage has made me wonder if these people react the same way to people wanting a breast *increase*. If breasts are so sacred, surely increasing their size is just as despicable as decreasing them right? I wonder why we never hear anything about that... /s
Because society over sexualizes women. Yah, humans are weird tbh.
Transphobes’ senses are extremely selective, as it seems
@@SlomurrIkr? These darn humans.
Yes, society reacts the same way if a woman wears her boob job as a badge of honor. And ya..Every body part is sacred. our finger nails, toes everything.. and You do hear about it..for example most people are disgusted with the Kardashians for changing their bodies and faces every week. But even they don't wear it like a badge of honor or tell every one that getting bbls every month is normal and healthy
@@smrab1993if your fingernails are sacred, why do you cut them off? Or have you been growing your nails since infancy? 🤔
Honestly, my breast removal surgery was the best decision I have ever made. I have zero regrets, and feel 10x better now. I can look at myself in the mirror again - my breasts started growing when I was 7, and I couldn't stand to have them uncovered since then. Now I love touching my scar and don't mind touching my body in general, instead of being repulsed by my own body.
So... yeah.
I'm glad you're so happy with the results! :D
What gets me is... this could also be a cisgender man who had reconstructive surgery after an injury or breast cancer.
It absolutely could be but they’re so blinded by hatred they don’t even use their common sense. Trans men need to shave too. It’s just so stupid.
Or gynecomastia
Denying trans people the health care they need is basically subjecting them to chronic emotional pain. It can't go away without treatment.
@@leunamreyo3663 "Suicide related outcomes following gender affirming care, study" Yeah it is mate, we have studies to prove it and it's not cutting it off. They invert the tissue. Your just trying to make it sound scary. Also of course it's medical. You can't just say something isn't medical because you don't like it. It is a preformed procedure by medical specialists and approved by the FDA and pretty much every medical institution. Therefore it is everything medical.
@@leunamreyo3663Cornell University, Columbia University, National Institutes of Health, Stanford Medicine, and HealthNews.
How many nazis are in these comment sections jeez
@@leunamreyo3663 Nope, but Nazism at its core is a flagrant disapproval of evidence-based practise in favour of dehumanising innocent people.
Well done, you've secured your place in the club.
Transphobes: Trans people need help!
Trans people: Thanks! Transition has been clinically proven to help us...
Transphobes: No, not like that!
@@leunamreyo3663The difference between that and transness is, transition works. 99% success rate. That's why doctors recommend and support it. People who hack off their limbs AREN'T happier afterwards.
That's why DOCTORS make these determinations, and not rando aholes on the internet. You know? Because they're both trained to understand the difference and willing to be held accountable for the effacacy of their ministrations. Something YOU won't be on the hook for.
if it wasn't dylan mulvaney, it would've been another innocent trans person soon enough. it seems the horrific boom of transphobia was just a ticking time bomb. any vaguely known trans person would have set them off. I hope she's okay and I hope she doesn't blame herself
"innocent trans person"
This GROWN MAN profits from mocking real women. It's womanface. It's offensive
They can't say this stuff is being forced down their throats if they're going that far to dig it up
Not only that but the term itself might have a psychological connotation to potentially describe a hidden yearning.
@@Coelacanth1 well, considering that one person I know who used to say transphobic things has now come out as a drag queen, you might be right
@StopLGBT-ss7rw no one cares
Growing up I was raised without ever seeing or hearing about anything LGBTQ, yet still I knew I wasn’t just into girls thanks to an Adventure Time episode with Marshall Lee, this was in 2011. Despite never hearing or seeing anything LGBTQ i still ended up bisexual. Now in 2023 I know I’m Bisexual and Bigender, that’s just how life goes, you just have to figure yourself out!
Lol, I'm the opposite. Growing up I was told about gay and lesbian people at 10 and learned about trans people before 12 in elementary school. Even at the time I was able to understand both for as far as explained it (which was quite in depth mentioning hormone theraphy, surgeries and the experiences of a trans guy). and here I am, a cis straight dude. Together with the vast majority of those that experienced that with me.
This was wel over decade ago btw
Oh I heard about them in the 1980's for it to have taken me forty years to own up to my true inclinations for just what religious oppression did
Same, where I grew up there was literally no representation and somehow I still ended up trans and gay.
Things are getting better though, series like heartstopper are incredibly important and I'm glad young people have access to it now
I needed this today. Honestly I need a break from all of it, the hatred, the microaggressions , the constant fight to just to exist and be seen as valid. But the perspective “don’t listen to cis people” is what I needed. It makes it all so simple. My mental health has been in the toilet lately, and this actually helps. Thank you, Jamie. I’m sorry you felt you had to rant.
@ville2_ congratulations, you’re not only disgusting, you’re reported.
People losing their marbles over trans people and representation and inclusion is so tiring. Like some are sticking their noses in spaces they don’t belong.
At least with the “boycott” of items and companies that means more for me to buy from companies that are standing their ground.
Speaking of sticking their noses where they don't belong, how about corporations like bud n braun not stick trannys in normal straight things
I just bought a diva cup the other day and on the box it referred to women and "people who menstruate". Made me even happier that I chose their brand!
I still can't understand how calm jammie tend to be on serius topics, i wish i had half of his internal peace
Yeah, I think it's awesome my trans son has such a cool example on social media.
It is most definitely the better route but you don't need internal peace since like what I got was I learnt to accept and sometimes love the madness within me that things like transphobes raging over an ad like this is completely comical and ridiculous for how pathetic they make themselves out to be.
@StopLGBT-ss7rw okay boomer
@amydoesart3724 it's a bot. Just report.
@@rebeccasatterley1542 i did lol
for me it's the fact that LITERALLY NO OTHER MENTAL ILLNESS spreads via "social contagion." nobody is like "this character with depression made me develop depression" or "this ad for anxiety medication made me want to have anxiety." NO mental illness can spread via awareness or "social contagion" - it literally just helps people who already have it come forward and seek help. and gender dysphoria is classified as a mental illness because it interferes with a person's daily functioning; when you're constantly experiencing dysphoria over your gender incongruity, you can't live a normal life, you can't focus on your job or household responsibilities, you can't have satisfying and fulfilling social interactions. so calling gender dysphoria a mental illness is not some "gotcha" against trans people. and the treatment is the same as the treatment for any other mental illness - depression? take medication so you're not depressed anymore. anxiety? take medication so you're not anxious anymore. dysphoric over your gender? transition so your gender is no longer incongruous and *take medication so you're not dysphoric anymore.* there is no "make your brain gender agree with your birth sex" medicine. the ONLY treatment to eliminate the dysphoria over gender incongruity is *TRANSITIONING.*
Yeah it’s so idiotic when they’re like “gender dysphoria is a mental illness and it should be treated as one!!!” because like. Yes, it is. Yes, it is treated as one. What did they think transitioning care was, a fucking hobby???
Very valid point, but i don’t think many of them see trans identity/dysphoria/euphoria as a “legitimate” identity or condition alongside clinical depression, anxiety, etc (if they even accommodate for those.)
Willful ignorance is a huge factor in this, so despite the heaps of evidence & documentation proving trans identity is more than just psychosis or delusion, this fact is unfortunately difficult to convince people of.
It's also important to remember that these folks don't believe the dysphoria is the issue, it's the trans people themselves. Treating dysphoria or speaking about it accurately requires at least a small amount of willingness to listen to the trans community, and we all know that's not exactly on a bigot's daily list of things to do. They're not interested in providing treatment for dysphoria because they don't believe trans people are real or valid in their feelings to begin with. They simultaneously believe trans people like myself are nonexistent, but also rampant and a danger to their children. It's hatred, plain and simple, they don't want trans people to live happy fulfilling lives, and they make it all too fucking obvious.
Anyone who says that being trans is a mental illness and then goes on to bully them, then you think its perfectly ok to bullying anyone with any mental illness, I shall now go harrassed people with depression cause its ok apparently.
Edited because of extremely bad grammar.
@@al_eggsalso i wouldn't be sure that people like that don't think that depression, autism, adhd and other mental illnesses aren't social contagion. they'd probably say teens are just faking being depressed or adhd
I had a friend who is cis (and im pretty sure he's also aro-ace but i never told him, just my ace-finder doing its thing ig). Our friendship ended once I realized just the kind of views he held about me and who i am. He had this false perception that women are somehow inherently worse than men and it only took me three times of explaining about how structural sexism in history still holds women back today for him to start realizing that he may be wrong. Though the thing that really did it for me was him saying that "It's a bit narcissistic to think you know more about a group of people just because you are part of it" like of course i know more about a group of people if I'm part of it? That's how knowing works. Either I'm pretty sure all of his experience with how women and trans people work is just from reading and listening to cis men talk about these things. He told me he did so much research cause he was interested in it and that somehow put him on the same level of knowledge and education about the group as an actual member of the group. And as much as I hate gatekeeping, that is just not how that works. John will always know John very well, and Robert could never possibly know John as much as John himself does.
Yeah, but book learning and learning through experience are two different things. You can read all the books you want on anatomy but that doesn't make you a surgeon or a doctor.
What does your first sentence mean?
“It’s pretty narcissistic to think you know about the medical field just because you’re a doctor” - same non-logic as what your ex-friend seemed to have used
@ville2_this is a troll right 💀
I love how Jamie ranting is 100x more calm than transphobes speaking.
Yea so calm 😍Jamie is never angry she’s perfect
@@jujugatolliat9644 I'm just going to assume that your misgendering of Jamie was accidental.
@@DermotKieran1 he’s
He's just wholesome, and he's accustomed to seeing transphobia everywhere.
@StopLGBT-ss7rw Oh, look everyone. A big mouth, right-winged 'murican, snowflake, bigot has entered the chat. For those of you that aren't aware, big mouth, right-winged 'murican, snowflake, bigots are actually a quite rare offshoot of humanity. The scientific name for them is "Homoidioticus Ignorancis Americanus". The are known to be of lower intelligence than other humans. They bark loudly and aggressively, and they also love to flaunt their stupidity as part of their mating ritual.
Quite an interesting subspecies. I'd love to catch a few for research, to see how small their brains are in comparison to humans and other primates. Current studies so far, indicate their brains to be about half the size of a pygmy marmoset.
Another interesting fact about them is that they are suspected of being the result of early hominids cross breeding with common bridge trolls.
Even with you making this video out of anger, you’re still surprisingly calm. I like that.
Despite your calmness, your words still have a strong impact.
"it's a mental illness so why is it treated medically" you mean why i take physical pills for my mental depression, ruining my perfectly fine liver? "It's a social contingent!" Oh? I didn't know mental health spreads like that, i wonder how many I've accidentally made clinically depressed via exposure 😱
"It's a mental illness so why is it treated medically." IDK, maybe because THE BRAIN IS A GODDAMN ORGAN IN THE BODY, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGAN? Also because mental/neurological issues can manifest themselves in other places in the body: one of the more common physical symptoms of autism spectrum disorder is various gastrointestinal issues, and to that end I take Prilosec and Gas-X every night. Sure, you can say "it's all in my head," but taking a couple of pills beats not being able to sleep at night due to severe acid reflux and having an elevated risk of esophageal cancer.
I mean being trans is not a mental illness, but also, the idea that mental illness and physical illness are totally different, separate things is a false dichotomy, one that mental health advocates are trying to get us to move past as a society. Mental illnesses should be categorised the same as other illnesses, mental disabilities should be categorised the same as physical ones, we need to get rid of this bs hierarchy where physical ailments are seen as more "real" and more deserving of sympathy.
Your video made me think about a clip that i see regularly from (i think) french television
It’s a présenter speaking with a trans man, he asks : « so you are a trans person, you transitionned from female to male, but most importantly : are you happy? » and the trans man answers « yes very much ». Then another cis man sitting next to him goes « yes but Jesus… » and the presenter interrups him immediately : « oh shut the f*ck up! » and that’s litteraly the end of the ‘debate’
This is definitely one of the best moment of the french tv i like it so much 😂😂
Anytime I see a " boycott this company" because they support LGBTQIA+" I make sure to go out of my way to support them and send them letters thanking them for their inclusivity!❤ We are all people, cis or trans doesn't matter, if you aren't trans, what does it cost you to be respectful of someone who is? Being Trans is not new, we are just figuring out how to help these people live their authentic lives, LIVE being the important part of that. Live & Let Live. Thank you Jamie for standing up against this BS. I have multiple people in my family who are trans and I love them for who they are, as they are. No judgement because they are human just like the rest of us and that is all that matters. Sorry, rambling now because they (the haters) make me so mad. Love. Love. Love. It costs nothing. Hate eats these people alive and they do it to themselves.
the letter thing is definitely something the community should be employing more imo. companies care more about getting positive feedback compared to negative. every time a company goes out of their way to be lgbt inclusive, we should be sending letters and emails thanking them for helping us become visible and further normalised in the societal lense.
Why do they have a problem with ace companies?
i didnt think about the letter thing. ill have to do that sometimes
Don't do this. The company is only "supporting" us so they can take our money. Under capitalism, our identities are exploited. If supporting homophobic and transphobic policies was popular they'd be doing that. It's all about making money unfortunately.
They get upset about the smallest things so they don't have to actually look at themselves and realize how shallow and selfish they really are. They also conflate things really easily. IO had to yell at my own father to get him off a topic because he was conflating being gay with being a pedophile and I'm Trans, my nephew is Gay so he was getting upset about pedophilia and lumping me and my nephew into the category because of his mentally conflating them. They see LGBTQ+ and all they think is pedophilia or some other form of abuse, and they haven't got the mental capacity to move beyond that.
I had top surgery JUST before covid hit. I have not had a day where I questioned it. I have a condition called keloid scarring, so my scars look worse than the average and I don't care because that surgery lifted at least one thing that I live with on the daily. I no longer get dysphoric looking at myself coming out of the shower, at least waist up, and haven't questioned my identity since I first started transitioning.
Trans people today are getting similar treatment to what disabled people once got, and LGBTQ+ laws used to do. Unless you conform to the mainstream, you are hidden, criminal, sinful and unwanted. As long as your disability or condition doesn't get seen they don't care about it or you. Once you're seen, you become a representation of everything they fear about themselves so throw the hatred onto you.
Odd, because statically most pedophiles are heterosexual cis men. But they don't want to hear that.
I am sorry you've have to deal with your Dad.
So, I have a very deviated septum and I need septoplasty surgery. One of the docs goes like "Oh, will you do a rhinoplasty together?" and I was like wtf bro? What do you mean you are just asking me if I want to change the shape of my nose for no good reason? I just want to breath and dance and run without pain and passing out. But my friend that is trans needs to be on hormones for two years if she wants to get transaffirming surgery. Also, I want an histerectomy because I have endometriosis and I will probably need to battle that one out. Well well. Surgery world is crazy as fuck (I had a gall blader removal 3 months ago, I can talk a lot about surgery now haha).
Yayyyyy more boycotting for stupid reasons
real
What? How is it stupid
@@thetoughunicorn1679 how is it not stupid to boycott a 2 year old ad photo
@@danesullivan5151 do you understand what boycotting is
@ville2_ who?
the thing is....they find gender reassignment surgery fine if it's an intersex baby that genuinely can't consent
Cisnormative conservative bigots not only defend the unconsented surgeries and medical "normalisations" of intersex children: they want us to remain silent and ashamed, and they double down the erasure of our existences by their own gross lies about trans children they pretend to be "victim of irreversible surgeries".
In the sick and twisted cisnormative paradigm, neither trans nor intersex children do exist: according to them, the very kind of irreversible unconsented surgeries that they force on us intersex children could only be perpetrated by terrifying evil "transactivists" on innocent cis children.
Which is a terrible confession: cisnormative conservative appear to know what they promote is bad, but all they achieve to do about it is project their own practices on other.
This is what I said too. Trans children simply changing their name, pronouns, and clothes they wear is considered "mutilation", but no one cares when intersex babies are forced to get reassignment surgery against their will to make them look "normal", the only people who will be looking down there are the kid themselves and pdf files.
I wonder if the same outcry would be apparent if they were to show a cis male with gynecomastia who had had his breast tissue removed? Excellent point.
Of course not. They only care about trans people. If it was a cis man who had breast cancer they wouldn’t even give it a second thought.
@@maveryriley That or they'd demonize and deny that he's even cis and argue that clearly he's just lying about not being trans smh
@@Toki-np3xj Yeah that is something they would absolutely do. It’s just so stupid.
@StopLGBT-ss7rw Oh no, shiver me timbers, dear lord, Im positively shaken that a person who cannot type the letter i is burning some rainbow flag they spent their own money on, positively stricken with dread and fear rn
This reminds me of a few months ago when I (transmasc) was looking up my options for different surgeries. Instead of getting answers to my question about price and available surgeons, it showed me pages and pages of people that had regretted their transition (it was just the same 6 people in different articles). I was getting really discouraged so I closed the window, and not even one day later, I had ads upon ads about people regretting their transition and how "disgusting" we trans people are. Seeing all those ads and articles is even worse because I live in Sweden which is often praised for it's inclusivity by people that don't live here. Sweden sucks guys, just like the rest of the world! Especially after the SVT released a super transphobic series where they only interviewed people that regretted their transition.
I still have no clue how much it's gonna cost me and I really wanna start saving up. If anyone knows, can you help?
a new program in Australia just did an indentical thing, only interviewing destrasioners and getting zero opinion from people happy with their transaction along with only interviewing "profesional's" against transition
I got 8 minutes in and had to stop. I want to just curl up in a ball and cry. I didn't chose to have crippling dysphoria. I didn't chose to be a medical patient for the rest of my life. I just want to live my life, and people hate me and anyone like me.
Hang in there, most people don’t hate us. ✊🏼🫂❤️✊🏼
@@williamsin41 Unfortunately there's still a lot that do, and a lot of those people have the power to make our lives miserable. It's exhausting.
Things are hard right now but if you look at history, this nonsense was aimed at gay and lesbian people shortly before society got more accepting. They had to fight for it and that fight is still ongoing but things did get better. This is a reaction to us becoming more visible and trying to be accepted. It’s the last dying gasp of bigots who are scared of realising their narrow world view isn’t truth. It may take a while to get better but it will happen and the world is so much better from having your authenticity in it.
@@CreativeRed4 Indeed. I haven’t felt this way since since I was a young parent in cap hill Seattle in the early 90s with AIDS being the excuse to terrorize our communities, as if we weren’t dealing with enough then. I hate seeing so many in fear and pain all over again. Exhausted with you my kin.
As a cis-hetero woman I appreciate these types of videos. I don't use social media much, what a time suck, so many of these things go unnoticed by me. I also appreciate the information and education on trans issues and trans history.
Cis-hetero men view the female breast as a source of their sexual pleasure and are offended when they are reminded it is simply a body part that for some ppl has no use.
Then there are cis women who fully believe breasts are a sign of womanliness, a symbol of motherhood, and again get upset when reminded that for some ppl their breasts don't mean either of those things, nor do either of those things hold any importance to them. Those women somehow feel their own views on being a woman are threatened when other ppl don't agree with them.
As for the "healthy breast tissue" issue, affirming vs cosmetic surgery...I have story, not mine, a friend tho.
When I was in 8th grade a girl I had yet to meet had breast reduction surgery, shortly after her 14th birthday. She had a total of 6 lbs of breast tissue removed, her surgery included a complete removal of her areolas and nipples, with her areolas being extremely reduced in size before being reattached. Her scars go from armpit to armpit, with a vertical scar going up to each nipple, plus a faint scar around her areolas.
Her breasts were so large she could not buy bras, even from speciality stores, cuz they didn't have band sizes small enough, so her Mom had to make her bras. She has permanent indents in her shoulders from the weight of her breasts pulling on her straps. Prior to surgery she had constant headaches, neck and back pain.
She began to develop in the 3rd grade, so when she was 8 - 9 yrs old. She had grown men looking at her chest, making comments on her chest BEFORE she had even had her period. She HATED her breasts, she never felt comfortable in her body. She was insecure with herself, how she was treated by other kids - the old stereotype that girls with big breasts must be sluts, and was becoming withdrawn and depressed.
Thankfully she had a supportive family who agreed to the reduction surgery, they found a Dr who agreed to the surgery, that due to her size and the physical problems they caused he could get approval to do the surgery, have it be covered by insurance and it would NOT be considered cosmetic surgery.
I met her a yr later, of course I had heard her name before, so when she introduced herself I blurted out "Are you the girl that got her boobs reduced?" & that is how we became friends cuz she appreciated the fact that I asked her instead of acting like I hadn't heard anything (small town, 1 public middle school, 1 public high school). She allowed me to ask all my questions & answered them for me - which is why I know so much. A yr post surgery she was still adjusting to her body, she was still dealing with her insecurity, she was still dealing with ppl talking about her - for a new reason, BUT men no longer made gross comments about her body, she was gaining confidence, she could buy the clothes she wanted, she could go swimming cuz she could buy a suit and didn't feel the need to hide her body, but most of all she was happy.
Btw, her surgery was done over 30 yrs ago. She has no regrets about having it done, or having it done at such a young age.
Now this story is about another cis-hetero woman, but it has so many parallels to things I have heard trans ppl say about how they felt about themselves pre and post transition. I will never understand why my friend could have a surgery that helped her mentally, emotionally, physically and it is seen as ok, but when trans ppl make the choice to medically transition for many of the same reasons, why all of the sudden is surgery seen as something bad? Cuz much of the arguments against trans ppl having surgery fall flat when used against my friend's story.
While I know my friend's experience is not the same as what trans kids & adults go thru, her experience did give me that bridge to understand how important it is for trans kids to be allowed to transition, how important it is for trans adults to have surgery if that is what they want, how hard it can be to live in a body that doesn't feel right and will never feel right. I want all trans ppl to be able to experience the same sense of self acceptance, confidence, happiness that she did. No one should be denied the chance to be happy.
the whole "removal of healthy breasts" thing sounds an awful lot like "I have a right to stare at theses boobs and now they have been taken away but also I realize that sounds insanely sexist so I try to make it a tiny bit less sexist"
In reality, their sexism only became worse.
I'm just waiting for one of these "OMG trans people existed in my sightline" boycotts to turn out to be a cis man with gynecomastia.
They already send people around to assault butch-looking cis women in restrooms. The "collateral damage" against cis people the transphobes see as gender-non-conforming probably in some cases hits more cis folks than the trans folks the 'phobes are targeting.
I will not be surprised if it has actually happened at some point. Transphobes went after a cis woman with PCOS, caling her a "man in a dress" even though she was assigned female at birth.
What did we say? Transphobia is just thinly veiled misogyny.
I'm having my top surgery in November and am already bracing having to claim I'm just a cis dude with gynecomastia when I go swimming because some idiotic phobe feels upset by my scars. Just let us exist.
let them boycott everything until they have no choice but to die or realized they can't survive without all this stuff
I do suspect the next stage will feature them eating themselves as they catch each other partaking of what they have indicated they won't, through the lack of choices they have caused themselves
@StopLGBT-ss7rw 💜
I hope we can get this craziness behind us soon. People used to get outraged over interacial marriages and now almost no one does, or if they do they get promptly shunned away for that kind of bigotry. We'll build a better, more educated, more inclusive world for everyone. Together🤗❤💛💚💙💜
Big yikes comparing racism to something like this
Whether being self-taught or taught by someone else there will always be at the very least a fringe of this kind of craziness unless you can develop a way to temporarily or permanently switch off the emotions and feelings of transphobes.
@@fiyahquacker2835 Yeah, it will always be there, but it should stay on the fringe.
Funny how none of these people have a problem with women putting silicone in "perfectly healthy breast tissue". I mean, its more or less the same thing, altering your body to fit your expectations
is almost like they don't want other people to feel good in their bodies
There has been a mockery of women having plastic surgery since I've been a child, and irl seen women referred to as "Barbie fake" and "Kardashian-esque" all the time lol
I'm tired of even allies having discussions about trans issues without a trans person or professional in sight. If you are an ally, put in the effort and find a freaking relevant person to discuss it.
The only problem with this is there's not always a trans person around, or professional to ask get involved in the conversation.
Would it be that allies don't say anything? Just let the bigotry go on?
As an ally (and more), I can't do that. But what I DO try to do is stay informed and if I'm not sure, look up the relevant information from credible sources. Because as an ally, that's part of the job.
i agree. If you're informed, go ahead bro. Like, actually it's good to keep up@@twiztedsynz
I’m an ally and I only discuss what I’m dealing with because of transphobes.
They misgender me because I’m not especially feminine looking. I’ve been called the t word irl. And a minor assault.
1) Transphobia is never OK.
2) Transphobia hurts everyone and sets feminism back a decades.
3) They can’t actually tell.
@@twiztedsynz It's not so much that you say nothing, it's that you wait for your turn to speak. If there's no one else you're speaking over then you're fine.
I am an ally, and I recently had a discussion with my friend about the transgender movement and community. She is not necessarily transphobic just misinformed, so I was filling her in on the correct information. I am not trans and there wasn’t a trans person in the conversation. Should that conversation then never have happened? I don’t know many transgender people and to be honest I’m more informed on trans issues and trans rights than the transgender people that I do know, as the topic has been my special interest for a long time.
I haven’t seen any backlash about this at all because I no longer use the platform formerly known as Twitter. It’s so much better over here. “At this point transphobes are looking for things to get angry about”. Yes! That’s transphobia in a nutshell. That’s what bigotry has always been about and what separates them from the general person looking to be educated and informed.
I had no exposure to transgender anything except the hate of them until I moved out of my parents influence, and that was after I realized I myself was trans. I was 22 when I realized. I'm 24 tomorrow. When I was asked 'Are you trans?' That day at work I started to think about it and why they asked me. I told them about how I grew up, that I feel more comfortable with a feminine appearance in person and online, I was wearing prosthetic fucking breasts... it hit me so hard when they asked me that I had a huge epiphany. Now a little over a year later I'm on hrt and have my first life goal. Hearing people talk about how being exposed to trans people will contaminate the youth or a company that sponsors someone that's lgbtq+ will make you gay upsets me so much. My stepdad told me that he won't drink bud light because he's not a f*g. The only hate I have is towards those that trample over other people and those that spread misinformation and hurt others intentionally
I feel I should clarify, about a year and 4ish months
Good to see you getting on your journey
A little good news... My friend is starting estrogen soon!!! Really happy for her!!
Ivw gotten a ton of transphobic ads snd recently gotten a ton more transphobic people harassing me, but whenever you upload you make my day Jamie. Thank you so much!
Catch me after top surgery wandering around shirtless to “physically repulse” all the transphobes away from me. Forcefield type strategy
That sounds epic tbh
The healthy breast tissue argument always pisses me of so much! My mother had breast reduction surgery when I was a teen, because they were quite large and they were making her already awful back issues just so much worse. The amount of people that told her that she was making a mistake, that she was mutalating her body, that she would regret it, that she wasn't a real woman for doing this was shockingly high and just so awful. The fixation on women's breasts is insane and if it would be easy to remove them I'd do it in a heartbeat. I can't even image how much worse this is as a trans man.
That being said the transphobia in English media (both US and UK) is always somewhat shocking to me. I'm from a country where it's really almost never brought up in media and generally speaking it's widely accepted. Not to mention that 2 pretty well known women in our country are trans women (1 of which won our version of Top Model 8 years ago). I'm sure these 2 women still receive awful messages (1 is pretty visible on tv in our country and the other is on CZcams with a channel in English), but the mainstream media certainly doens't agree with the awful transphobes and luckily don't give them much of a platform if at all.
That's such a weird statement... "removing the healthy breast tissue" .... what?? it's ok for me to remove the healthy fat from my butt! Who is anyone to dictate what we have to keep if we don't want it?
It's breast fetishism, nothing more. They care more about the breasts than the person they're attached to.
Lady bird once said: “just because something looks ugly doesn’t mean it’s morally wrong”
plus looks ugly at first, then it doesn't. It's like any other scar and its time for healing
the bigoted reaction towards just "trans people exist" is absolutely deplorable, the way these people try so much to cause harm to things they dont understand and have nothing to do with is terrible and needs to be called out as the hate crime it is
Or transactivists see every little thing as hate towards them because they are so fragile
Well, if people are so obsessed with 'healthy woman's breasts', they can have mine after I've had mine cut off (even if they are probably not so healthy after that....)
Same fam. I don't want em. If I can give away a child away by literally just dropping it off in a baby box at a fire department, why can't I also throw away my boobs??? My chest shouldn't be harder to get rid of than my theoretical child.
That or watch Lesbian Pornography.
The first 6 seconds is hilariously well timed, bc youtube is putting transphobic adds on your video. :/ There is no LGB without the T. We are all together
"this is exhausting for trans people" Jamie, that's the POINT. They're literally employing the same tactics they've employed for all the other horrific policies and social conventions they've successfully gotten through (like prohibition in the USA, abortion bans, marijuana bans etc.); by just hammering away at their targeted minority opposition and counting on the inaction of the neutral majority.
They are counting on the trans inclusive communities to get tired of it and give up, to capitulate out of exhaustion; a tactic explicitly described and employed by Newt Gingrich here stateside, as an example.
I genuinely don't underside transphobia. The common "logic" is just weird. I was born a baby. That doesn't mean that I am a baby now. I also hang out with black people, and that doesn't infect me with their blackness. There's just a large variation in what kinds of humans exist. People aren't all just copy and paste clones of each other.
So would all of these people be "physically repulsed" by someone who had a double-mastectomy for cancer-related health issues? Some people get "healthy breast tissue" removed to avoid the likelihood of cancer.
People who have double mastectomies because of cancer usually don't have penises
@@1nhof trans men don't have them either though? At least at the time when someone would get top surgery
@@1nhof But the result of a double mastectomy is the same regardless. If you see someone with top surgery scars and think "But do they have a penis?????" and if you decide they do, you get nauseous, that's on you. You are the one who made yourself nauseous.
@@Cieln0va You're missing the point. That point being that being "transgender" is bullshit.
PLEASE GLORIFY MY MASTECTOMY SCARS!!! I beat breast cancer!!!
your mastectomy scars are awesome and congrats on beating breast cancer!! 💪💪
Oh no, not a man in an ad targeted at men, wON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE MANCHILDREN?!?!?!?!?!!!!
I had a stressful day of having to go to a "women's health clinic" today as an NB. So seeing the progression flag on the door was a massive relief. I for one, am definitely more likely to take my business to someone who has pro trans advertising!
I'm cis and I legitimately do not understand the hate against trans people. I straight up don't get it. There's no threat, no perversion, no loss of rights for cis people for becoming aware of trans people in the world, and there's only positive to come to the trans community and, I believe, to society at large.
People are transphobic for the same reason they are homophobic.
It's not about protecting someone, it's about disgust or misinformation. People either find trans people icky, or are too stupid to fact check transphobic propaganda
What really drives me nuts with all these stupid hurdles a trans person has to get past to get the treatment they need just creates more trauma that's then pointed to as a reason to deny treatment. "Oh you were mistreated, excluded, and physically assaulted for being trans? Well then clearly you need to deal with that PTSD first before we can trust you that you're actually trans." 🤦🏻♀️ It's circular logic at it's worst and only serves to create more harm for not only trans people but society in general as someone with severe mh symptoms is going to be far less productive than the same person healthy and happy post transition.
“Well, you get the computer case… and I think you just pour some beans in there.” I DIED laughing 😂
Good job Jamie for telling people cis women have to shave. Lots of cis women have facial hair. Im a Harry's guy myself but really makes me want to buy more razors from different companies that support us.
Well you could always buy some and donate them to homeless shelters.
In the beginning I thought you said “ads can make you bi (bisexual) beans but not trans” and now with the context I understand it’s “buy” not “bi” 💀
I don’t understand why a trans man shouldn’t be allowed in a razor ad? Do we not shave? What is the issue exactly if it’s not just “trans people bad”
Same reason they got upset at a beer company because a trans person promoted the product. Dylan wasn't even in an actual ad, she promoted it on her own social media and they got mad.
Idk how these people can behave like this so shamelessly. Like.. I was talking to my sister who came out this year and just got a girlfriend and was just telling her.. yanno if you need contraceptives I gotchu and I mentioned that I know a lot of men keep condoms in their wallets and not to do that and I immediately felt gross about my wording. Because I meant like if she went to her dad or any man about it they may recommend it but it's not a good idea because the heat and friction over time and whatnot with the integrity of the latex. But my brain freaked thinking it could have come off as misgendering her. (She got what I meant thankfully 😭😭)
Like I felt so gross over the possibility of an accidental misunderstanding.. how can they be so unabashed and proud of their behavior and garbage stance... I don't understand it at all.
aww yeah i'd be like oh shitttttt but im glad she got it XD
@Lee-eg8ul same 😭😭 I never want her to think in any capacity that I don't support her. I'm literally learning how to do makeup for her because she's getting into it but neither our mother nor I have ever learned how to do it lol. So now I'm like fuck I gotta be a big sister and learn. Same with hair lmao and fashion
@@LatulaArtswell you can learn together and that can make it more fun. I'm cis female, but my idea of make up is, slap on some eye shadow, mascara, face powder and a bit of lip gloss. I'd be useless with some of the more complicated makeup looks of today.
@@silverghostcat1924 I'm a cis woman as well, I've just always preferred extra sleep over getting up earlier to put work into my appearance lmao I'm a pajama goth 🤷♀️ give me an oversized band tee and some flannel pajama pants and I'm happy. She asked me to teach her to do makeup and so I'm scrambling to learn lol. I can kind of do eyeliner on myself now.. my lip liner is still super shaky though and I can't contour for the life of me 😭
I also can't afford to get her makeup herself and our skin tones are different, so my foundation would be way too pale on her. Curse the scouts for making her go outside and in the sunlight lmao. So it's learning on myself til I can get her her own products.
@@LatulaArts 😸 thank the powers that be there are so many online tutorials! When I was in highschool back in the early 70's it blew my mind that girls were getting up thirty minutes early to do their makeup. Beauty rest was better in my mind 🤣