WHY Trans Activists WON'T DEBATE Me - Helen Joyce

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  • čas přidán 12. 09. 2024

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  • @hereticsclips
    @hereticsclips  Před měsícem +18

    While the debate on sexes continues to rumble on, who would you like us to have on Heretics to tackle this difficult subject matter?

    • @dewilew2137
      @dewilew2137 Před měsícem +20

      Why did you characterize Helen as a conservative? The word “conservative” wasn’t mentioned once in this clip, and she certainly isn’t a conservative.

    • @Benvyf
      @Benvyf Před měsícem +3

      India Willoughby, that would be interesting, but be careful.

    • @Benvyf
      @Benvyf Před měsícem +2

      I've got to 4.52 here and just have to mention that after my first child I changed doctor. I had a lovely male doctor, but read I was due an intimate exam to check muscles and all a couple of months after first childbirth, I didn't want him there so changed practices to get a female. I didn't want to offend him by asking for a female, so just moved. Now I'm not sure the 'exam' was necessary at all.

    • @HeyJustMe89
      @HeyJustMe89 Před měsícem +8

      Helen Staniland of the famous Staniland question.
      Blair White would be amazing too! Next time she’s in the UK (and yes i am happy to refer to Blair as she because she doesn’t dictate that I must - Blair doesn’t care what pronouns people use for her).

    • @sportysbusiness
      @sportysbusiness Před měsícem +2

      @@HeyJustMe89 Actually, Blair would be amazing. A rational perspective from one who actually knows what it's like to pretend to be the opposite sex whilst acknowledging they can never be the opposite sex. Buck Angel would be another one.

  • @philiplong7390
    @philiplong7390 Před měsícem +79

    I am a gay man and i can tell you most of the men over 50 years old. totally agree with Helen Joyce. It is really boring. I am not part of the LBGQRSTUE whatever i am part of the community. They will not debate you as they know they are not able to defend this lunacy. I do feel that not only does Helen defend women and children she is actually defending vulnerable gay people who are caught up in this attention cult.

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny +1

      The sense of pain and feeling of betrayal is gut-wrenchingly palpable on the faces of so many gay men and women - and self-identified and medically altered trans who strongly disagree with this current political iteration - who feel that they are suddenly getting pushed "right back in the closet" (their words, not mine) by others who claim to speak for lgb+ and enforce this current "trans" campaign... their fear of excommunication from the very "group" they looked to for belonging, support, and acceptance is particularly powerful, lest they dare disagree or merely raise an honest question.

    • @Ladylibidex
      @Ladylibidex Před 23 dny +7

      She has a gay child. People like to ignore that while they hate on her.

    • @A190xx
      @A190xx Před 16 dny +5

      For my view, LGB is a distinct to the T+ and should never be conflated, as it endeavours to draw on the credit of one to uphold the other.
      And putting people in to groups based on their sexual preference ignores the multitude of facets that make us inidividuals (work, upbringing, social group, nationality, hobbies, health conditions, family, children, etc) and instead it says all our values can be defined by just one.

    • @Jsteiner1974
      @Jsteiner1974 Před 16 dny

      I'm a gay man over 50, and the homophobic hate directed at us from TRA's is far worse than anything we got from the religious right decades ago. I'm baffled that so many gay men are mindlessly following along with this movement even though they cannot relate to the issues behind it. I think it comes down to this: "If I don't follow along, I won't fit in. If I don't fit in, I won't get laid." That's it. That's how deep these guys are. Pathetic.

    • @tribalbabymum
      @tribalbabymum Před 15 dny

      "Attention Cult", ❤it!

  • @tracyaf6084
    @tracyaf6084 Před měsícem +179

    Helen Joyce is such a good speaker. I’ve seen many of her interviews and her opponents can never successfully challenge the points she makes. The only thing they can do is attack her personally.

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny

      That's the thing, the only thing they ever do is immediately degrade to personal attacks. The pattern is overwhelming and unmistakable. It's quite fascist, really. It's only intended to intimidate and to silence you..
      It's also a complete and utter failure of discourse or debate, besides being overtly abusive and threatening. It's called an ad hominem logic fallacy, aka failure of logic and/or reason.

    • @lynnebarnes3840
      @lynnebarnes3840 Před 28 dny +3

      Exactly 💯%

    • @WattPheasant
      @WattPheasant Před 20 dny

      Nah, her talks have a few contradictions in them that I am surprised people online don't point them out. I would debate her if she would allow me.

    • @tracyaf6084
      @tracyaf6084 Před 20 dny +4

      @@WattPheasant do you mind sharing some of her contradictions ?

    • @lynnebarnes3840
      @lynnebarnes3840 Před 20 dny +4

      @@WattPheasant please explain these "contradictions" some facts and context always strengthen an argument.

  • @SheridanM-dc1nk
    @SheridanM-dc1nk Před měsícem +84

    I’m obsessed with Helen Joyce. She’s just too brilliant.

    • @johnking6067
      @johnking6067 Před měsícem +10

      @SheridanM-dc1nk
      I'm kinda obsessed with her also, she can articulate exactly what I think about this subject.

    • @SusanaXpeace2u
      @SusanaXpeace2u Před 14 dny +1

      ​@@johnking6067yeh I 100% agree but can't express it calmly

    • @johnking6067
      @johnking6067 Před 12 dny

      ​@@SusanaXpeace2u
      where are you from Susan, not your address lol just the town?😊

    • @Michelle-Davis
      @Michelle-Davis Před 9 dny

      She's anti intellectual. Everything she says is at the level of a 3 year old. Maybe that's why you like her.

  • @keithyork8226
    @keithyork8226 Před měsícem +78

    Helen is an extraordinarily brilliant woman!

  • @FemmeNatal
    @FemmeNatal Před měsícem +98

    Love Helen. What a woman....a real one!!!

  • @wendyhandy9065
    @wendyhandy9065 Před měsícem +59

    ❤ I alive the way Helen explains the trans ideology so well & how it impacts everyone.

  • @jones6119
    @jones6119 Před měsícem +37

    Helen Joyce is a living legend at this point.

  • @LloydChristmas-vx2wh
    @LloydChristmas-vx2wh Před měsícem +59

    Joyce 🧠 💪 is a champion for women and children.

  • @agirlnamedbrett.
    @agirlnamedbrett. Před měsícem +52

    we should have never changed the language referring to rape years ago. i now realize how important it is to not soften language and i appreciate Helen using the actual word.

    • @helendancelot
      @helendancelot Před měsícem +2

      What was the change?

    • @agirlnamedbrett.
      @agirlnamedbrett. Před měsícem +11

      @@helendancelot most times they refer to it as sexual assualt now.

    • @katieandnick4113
      @katieandnick4113 Před 21 dnem +9

      Right? That change was intended to do the same thing that calling a radical mastectomy “top surgery” is. To get people used to horrible things, and to make them not see them as so horrible.

    • @sherylbusch5853
      @sherylbusch5853 Před 11 dny +1

      Same thing with “racism.” If all white people are racists, then over time the two become synonymous. We need to be careful with sweeping language changes.

    • @calstonjew
      @calstonjew Před 11 dny

      Feminists wanted the dissolution of gendered language, like 'actress', 'stewardess' ect. Calling rape sexual assault is a continuation of the sanitation of language by a Feminist minority.

  • @chernobylxchan
    @chernobylxchan Před měsícem +51

    even if you were to disagree with Helen she's so well spoken, understanding and respectful so I can't understand anyone hating her.

    • @DTRB1979
      @DTRB1979 Před měsícem +18

      The people who disagree with her lack the emotional maturity required to not hate her.

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny +4

      Narcissists tend to vehemently hate anyone they cannot control and abuse at will. Those that crave power, self-importance, and control to care one iota about respect or understanding, but they will quite readily use those terms when they know you like to hear them..

    • @katieandnick4113
      @katieandnick4113 Před 21 dnem +4

      The more wrong someone is about something, and the less capable they currently are of changing their minds, the more they will hate someone who is well informed on the issue they can’t change their mind about. What Helen says threatens their sense of self, which is arguably incredibly fragile, and their worldview. It makes total sense to me that they hate her. Hate is a secondary emotion to fear, and it’s really fear they feel. They don’t fear Helen though. They fear what Helen may make them see in themselves.

    • @Lilalalalalallllla
      @Lilalalalalallllla Před 16 dny

      Their hate is pure manipulation tactic

  • @PTRAINBOY
    @PTRAINBOY Před měsícem +90

    She nailed it about being boring .

    • @SusanaXpeace2u
      @SusanaXpeace2u Před 14 dny

      Yeh maybe that's why I always rail against bullshit. I have adhd and have spent my life trying to be more mainstream. I used to hate my inability to just ignore what seemed ridiculous but lately I'm feeling ok with it. I'm like the child in The Emperors New Clothes

  • @bagelm
    @bagelm Před měsícem +36

    Helen is so quick, clever and right. I thank god she is alive and fighting against this utter maddness. Thank you.

  • @helenablavatsky9136
    @helenablavatsky9136 Před měsícem +53

    Helen is always a winner.

  • @typerexc
    @typerexc Před měsícem +21

    I know this is an older interview, but love it all over again.

  • @thomaspetrucka9173
    @thomaspetrucka9173 Před měsícem +15

    What a fantastic, grounded conversation! Thank you for having it!

  • @immaleaf4964
    @immaleaf4964 Před měsícem +32

    Kind of appreciate that she wasn't self censoring words
    I know it's youtube, and so the channel had to remove some words, but the way she was making hard points, it pretty important to not use the flowery language that softens issues. Good interview

    • @RC-qf3mp
      @RC-qf3mp Před 28 dny

      It’s sad that we’ve become accustomed to YT censoring people for saying true, rational, empirical statements. It’s horrifying how ‘normal’ it now is to accept the censorship.

  • @brandotheone
    @brandotheone Před 15 dny +3

    There are two phases in studying this topic: before and after you encounter Helen Joyce. She is so clear and clever.

  • @rlb983
    @rlb983 Před měsícem +53

    "No man can feel like a woman." I'd also add that no woman can feel like any other woman. There is no generic-woman feeling, just as there is no generic-man feeling. We can only feel like ourselves, individually.

    • @beckymurray80
      @beckymurray80 Před měsícem +7

      Great point! No one individual can feel like another individual

    • @greentree5448
      @greentree5448 Před měsícem +3

      Women and men have vastly different lived experiences.

    • @Zzzooooppp
      @Zzzooooppp Před měsícem +8

      There are overlaps of experience, but you cannot experience the feeling of something you are not. Everyone knows what it’s like to be human, people not from X country have no idea what it’s like being specifically Xian

    • @notreal-duh
      @notreal-duh Před měsícem

      no one said woman was a feeling. it’s an identity. it’s tied to your sense of self

    • @rlb983
      @rlb983 Před měsícem +11

      @@notreal-duh Oh, lots of trans women have said, and do say, that they feel like women, have always felt like women, etc. In fact, their "feeling" of womanhood is the very basis of their identification as women, nothing else.

  • @nickbrown2764
    @nickbrown2764 Před měsícem +31

    The problem is Trans rights largely comes at the expense of women's rights.
    I'm a live and let live kind of guy present how you want to present call yourself what you want to call yourself live your best life but there are limits and barriers.

    • @RC-qf3mp
      @RC-qf3mp Před 28 dny +2

      No, the problem with “Trans rights” is that they DO have rights, but it’s the right to practice their own religion. I support trans rights, astrological rights, witchcraft rights, anime rights and alchemist rights.

    • @dazzamorris2793
      @dazzamorris2793 Před 21 dnem

      ​@RC-qf3mp its not a religion.. it is a cult..

    • @REMY.C.
      @REMY.C. Před 18 dny

      ​@@dazzamorris2793a religion is a cult.

    • @laurastevenson9380
      @laurastevenson9380 Před 17 dny

      Yup, our disabled girls need same sex intimate care. Our women and girls who have been raped or abused have the right to female only spaces.

  • @nottherealellenripley
    @nottherealellenripley Před měsícem +37

    Helen Joyce I LITERALLY LOVE YOU 🤷‍♀️😂♥️

  • @Autumn1988
    @Autumn1988 Před měsícem +50

    Can we stop framing this as a right v left / conservative v liberal issue?
    There are conservatives who believe and support this crap (Penny mourdant for example) and liberals who don’t (Rosie Duffield, JK Rowling, many GC women who are left leaning..)

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny

      Oh, but that is at the very heart of power-mongering and manipulative control in the first place, of course they won't stop. Each and every despot and l'il despot wannabe requires an "other" in order to keep you in line and themselves in range of power. That's how it works, whether it's cliques, cults, gangs, or politicians, they all operate the same way...
      But you are absolutely correct, there is no such thing as "left" or "right".. unlike biology, that bit is entirely man-made. There is only truth or fiction, which occurs in various combination.

    • @johnkeane1419
      @johnkeane1419 Před 16 dny

      It's a humanities v stem issue.

    • @lornocford6482
      @lornocford6482 Před 6 dny

      Exactly. It's so toxic that such an important issue gets hijacked by politics.

  • @christinelennon1110
    @christinelennon1110 Před 22 dny +6

    She's a champion for children &women's rights,

  • @DemanaJaire
    @DemanaJaire Před měsícem +37

    I could listen to her for hours. That’s why bought both her book and audiobook. 😂

    • @SusanaXpeace2u
      @SusanaXpeace2u Před 14 dny

      Yeh 8ve a few audible credits, does she narrate it?

  • @karenkennedy6331
    @karenkennedy6331 Před měsícem +40

    I took my son with me in the womens locker room , bathrooms when young. No way was I going to let him go alone himself in mens bathroom., but there is a certain age when it’s not ok. Most people know this,

    • @fabiosplendido9536
      @fabiosplendido9536 Před měsícem +6

      Yup. Pre-school is fine.
      It has to be, otherwise how could one parent take a child of the opposite sex swimming or whatever!?

    • @Jane-ow7sr
      @Jane-ow7sr Před 24 dny +1

      ​@@fabiosplendido9536 eh I dunno I'd say maybe up to 3rd grade depending on how old they are but after that they have to go alone. If they need help you're obviously gonna stand near the door till they're done.

    • @ME24689
      @ME24689 Před 13 dny

      ​@@Jane-ow7srI think 3rd is too old to be going into women's bathrooms, more like Senior infants.... After 6, boys shouldn't be in women's bathrooms..

    • @Jane-ow7sr
      @Jane-ow7sr Před 13 dny

      @@ME24689 tbf I have a hard time gauging age when it comes to children. Like between grade, age, and their appearance and intelligence.

    • @lornocford6482
      @lornocford6482 Před 6 dny

      I prefer to use the accessable (disabled) toilet and would require children (under 18 yr olds) to use it and not go into a communal toilet without an adult. I think boys of 8 yrs old with their mum is fine, but it does depend on how they seem with behaviour and maturity. I certainly wouldn't have a 9 or 10 year old boy go alone into a men's toilet. It's not safe for women and girls and it's not safe for little boys either.

  • @trevormalcolm4328
    @trevormalcolm4328 Před měsícem +39

    “Other people have rights” just think about that for a second.

  • @Jeff-cn9up
    @Jeff-cn9up Před měsícem +18

    Because they can't defend their ideology on facts or reason, and their defense of it socially via feelings and ethics exposes their hypocrisy almost immediately.

    • @dorasneddon774
      @dorasneddon774 Před 22 dny

      I'm not even convinced they have any ethical arguments - merely ideological ones, based (as Helen says) on false premises, not verifiable facts. There's also a false morality used to gaslight anyone who disagrees - 'Why can't you just be kind?' This is directly attacking perfectly reasonable boundaries of women, children and homosexual people.

    • @minuishaq631
      @minuishaq631 Před 15 dny +2

      Yup all they have is threats

  • @charlottemiller7675
    @charlottemiller7675 Před 24 dny +6

    The sad thing is I know a man with a small daughter and he believes in this ideology above her safety for a woman's only space.

  • @DexterDexter123
    @DexterDexter123 Před měsícem +16

    love Helen - ❤

  • @Anne_Onymous
    @Anne_Onymous Před měsícem +13

    "I'll be special, get oppression points, and be part of a" community. " Of course kids will fall for that!

    • @katieandnick4113
      @katieandnick4113 Před 21 dnem

      You say it like all or most kids would, and that’s not true. There’s something profound missing from the lives of children who do fall for it. My guess is maternal connection.

    • @Anne_Onymous
      @Anne_Onymous Před 21 dnem

      @@katieandnick4113 Who said anything about all kids falling for it?

  • @robertfraserthompson9421
    @robertfraserthompson9421 Před 29 dny +5

    Helen is the voice of truth.

  • @AZChelseaR
    @AZChelseaR Před měsícem +21

    If anyone hasn't seen the "debate" that Helen is referencing, look it up and watch it. Fair warning, you will definitely have full cringe. Its like watching an adult explaining something to a child but that child happens to also be drunk.

    • @Lucerne13
      @Lucerne13 Před měsícem +4

      It's totally embarrassing.

    • @ThePontiacBandit911
      @ThePontiacBandit911 Před 24 dny

      And i could have set my watch by Freda saying ‘rude’ words. 🙄
      Ooh, he said ‘fuck me’. 🙄
      Radical, Fred. 🙄 He’s as edgy and predictable as a bread bin.
      Dickhead.
      Helen’s face when he said that was incredible. She was almost beatific. 😂

    • @ghostofdayinperson
      @ghostofdayinperson Před 10 dny +1

      😂 l LOVE this description.

  • @donnahelps5680
    @donnahelps5680 Před měsícem +11

    Love this woman ❤️

  • @jerrycaughman6324
    @jerrycaughman6324 Před měsícem +28

    Well their ideology falls apart after a couple of questions so….

    • @alitheadd
      @alitheadd Před měsícem

      genuinley curious, what questions?

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Před měsícem +2

      ​@@alitheaddDo you have a cervix? Do you menstruate? To name 2. Are you @ risk to gynecological cancers? Fibroids? Toxic tampon shock?

    • @alitheadd
      @alitheadd Před měsícem

      @@unowen-nh9ov so women born without a cervix due to a defect are what men? Same goes for menstuation, and so on.
      Kind of annoyed tbh, thought you had something more interesting...

    • @slacktoryrecords4193
      @slacktoryrecords4193 Před měsícem +2

      @@alitheaddThere are so many questions, none of which need touch upon biology. Question 1: You’re an adult male who says he’s really a woman on the inside. What does that mean, and how did you identify your inner woman?
      The answers to that question are very illuminating most of the time. Namely due to their incoherence and shallowness.

    • @alitheadd
      @alitheadd Před měsícem

      @@slacktoryrecords4193 ooooh interesting, it's not something you cant easily define for most, but I'll go with the easiest, it just feels like it in my heart (and girls are cooler lol) - I know you're probably not going to understand it, it's kinda different for everyone. That is the main problem with these things if you can't understand it it becomes scary or something.
      Let me ask you a counter question instead that may make you understand, why are you a gay (hypothetically). I'll admit it's not a great example, as sexuality and gender are different, but it may make you understand.
      See the body is like hardware, the brain has the software, sometimes it doesn't match up. It doesn't make sense to cis people, because why would you want to be the other gender - they suck lol.

  • @SteveCondron
    @SteveCondron Před 16 dny +2

    All of the progress which has been made to safeguard children from sexual predators is being undone.

  • @dewilew2137
    @dewilew2137 Před měsícem +27

    Helen Joyce is NOT a conservative. 🙄

    • @mountbara
      @mountbara Před měsícem +3

      Even better then :)

    • @jedidiah4647
      @jedidiah4647 Před měsícem +7

      What's your point? Being conservative =/= being right, or moral, or good. Neither does being liberal. Helen Joyce could be a card-carrying Commie but everything she said in this video is still correct.

    • @fozzybear8878
      @fozzybear8878 Před měsícem

      No, she isn't- she's a feminist.

  • @ragnarok7976
    @ragnarok7976 Před měsícem +18

    I wouldn't say it's just conservatives per se, I'd say they just won't engage with anyone who doesn't already agree with them. I think this comes back to the dogmatic religious-like features of their ideology. The fact that these people disagree with them is already all the evidence they require to dismiss them.

    • @dewilew2137
      @dewilew2137 Před měsícem +7

      I really hate when people characterize any gender critical person as conservative. Helen Joyce isn’t conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

  • @Joley964
    @Joley964 Před měsícem +7

    She’s fabulous 💚🤍💜

  • @blah914
    @blah914 Před 26 dny +3

    there are safeguard where failure is catastrophics - but that brings us to the core of the issue doesnt it: womens injury, pain, fear, and death has never been considered a "catastrophic failure" bc so many men consider those things entertainment.

  • @sparagmos4748
    @sparagmos4748 Před měsícem +20

    As Helen says it may just be embarrassing to change in front of opposite sex people. It's not all about fear.
    I have been in a changing room with a TIM. I was OK with it, but I am not going to tell other women they HAVE to be OK with it just because that person was fine and I didn't have a problem that particular time.

    • @slacktoryrecords4193
      @slacktoryrecords4193 Před měsícem +3

      Exactly. Consent is non-transferable.

    • @sparagmos4748
      @sparagmos4748 Před měsícem +3

      @@slacktoryrecords4193 Also, I'm not going to expect an explanation of that decision. We shouldn't have to justify our safety or comfort.

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny

      @@sparagmos4748 Bingo!

  • @sparagmos4748
    @sparagmos4748 Před měsícem +10

    I'd just like to point out that before same sex marriage was legalised trans identified people had it! If you 'transitioned' you COULD marry your same sex partner. It wasn't that long before, but it was definitely a few years before same sex marriage without a trans identity was legalised.

  • @Viky.A.V.
    @Viky.A.V. Před 29 dny +4

    Thank you so much for defending women.

    • @calstonjew
      @calstonjew Před 11 dny

      Wel, they can't defend themselves.

  • @shinaxia7474
    @shinaxia7474 Před měsícem +5

    It used to be that if someone identified themselves as Napoleon, Marie Antoinette or any of these types of figures, they were placed under proper psychiatric care. It used to be, which is about three years ago. Now you can identify as a dog, a cat, a chair, a woman and the law protects you. The question is, if you identify yourself as a chair, should you by any chance lose your human rights? If someone hits a dog, doesn't he face less punishment than for hitting a human? If you're an animal, you don't have human rights, you have animal rights. How can you be an animal, or a chair and a human at the same time? But the law leaves you with the right of a human being, and doesn't order you to be put to sleep when you are too aggressive towards people. So why doesn't it apply the same rule to men who identify as women? After all, you're still a man, it's just that something's messed up in your head. Why, for the "rights" of a few disturbed people, should 99% of society suffer and little else, allow this disorder to become a contagious disease passed on to our children? Everyone's rights are important, but if the right of a particular individual is more important than the rights of a huge group of society, we are starting to tread on very slippery ground. Society exists to impose certain restrictions and certain norms for the health and safety of the majority. If everyone did what they wanted, murder, robbery and rape would be the order of the day. And in some places they already are, because the system no longer defends society, only marginal individuals who, like those who believe they are Napoleon, should get a slightly different kind of help.

  • @katherineroddy9190
    @katherineroddy9190 Před 17 dny +2

    In California, men who identify as women have the "right" to be houses in women's prisons, and if they harass the female inmates and the an inmate complains, the female inmate is punished for bigotry. Also, trans women have the right to demand they be searched by female guards, even if the trans woman is a fully intact male.

  • @david_fl507
    @david_fl507 Před měsícem +15

    a few years ago, a woman's g r a p e shelter here in vancouver bc canada had its funding stripped because it would not allow a 'franz' female into their shelter. and after this story hit the msm, it was vandalized and graffiti'd.

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny

      Damn. So much for the so-called "me-too" bandwagoners who so vociferously claimed to support and defend women - especially the most vulnerable and suffering women... That is pure evil. Barbaric, vile, fascist-level, despotic evil.

    • @phyllischaffin4052
      @phyllischaffin4052 Před 25 dny +1

      I remember that news story. Horrible.

  • @a.p.1496
    @a.p.1496 Před 3 dny

    Thank you and bless you, Helen Joyce. She identifies *every* reason why transwomen should not be in female-only spaces, female sports or female prisons.

  • @hlockeyLFC7
    @hlockeyLFC7 Před měsícem +7

    How can two people have an argument when one side is based on definitions, science and very little opinion and the other is the complete opposite but also there main point is be nice.

  • @acerrubrum5749
    @acerrubrum5749 Před měsícem +7

    ❤Helen Joyce❤

  • @LunaC...
    @LunaC... Před měsícem +12

    Lol now I'm intrigued what men are doing in the changing rooms - but I'm pretty sure I really don't want to know 😂

    • @tubester4567
      @tubester4567 Před měsícem +3

      Most guys mind their business and get changed ASAP. Most men wouldnt approach another man while naked, most men even avoid eye contact.

    • @dewilew2137
      @dewilew2137 Před měsícem

      @@tubester4567 there’s a subreddit in which men photograph themselves j*zzing all over public restrooms. Doorknobs, faucets, walls, toilet seats, even ceilings. Everywhere. And it’s not a small subreddit, it’s very popular. I don’t trust any men anymore.

    • @geobloxmodels1186
      @geobloxmodels1186 Před měsícem +1

      Everyone just minds their own business. There is very little talk and everyone is polite. You would be bored.

  • @baileyanne115
    @baileyanne115 Před 28 dny +2

    I love the questions she brings up here, and I think many of them require separating the uneducated transgender masses, who go through the process, but never ask why, and those that didn't just want to accept a diagnosis.
    Back when I transitioned, it wasn't called Gender Dysphoria, but rather Gender Identity Disorder. One was the disorder, and the other is what causes the disorder. I'm not certain it required changing, but that's kind of the point, isn't it? We keep changing things because we want the world to mold to us.
    I had a membership for a while at Planet Fitness. I started working out there long before it was ever news that they allowed people in the locker rooms of their gender identity. I lef the gym when I found out. Women have the right to feel safe in the spaces that belong to them. Transgender people should avoid locker rooms. Find a family bathroom. Ask to change in an empty room or in a closet with a locking door. Change at home, but not the locker rooms. At all costs, entering the women's room should be avoided if a non-men's room alternative exists. When I enter a women's bathroom, I announce my presence. Almost 15 years later, when no one can tell. Why? Because my desire to feel safe while peeing does not give me the right to take that safety away from women. And yes, I have on two occasions had people object, and I deescalated by letting them know I would wait outside until they were done, and one of them even offered to do the same for me. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you approach the situation knowing you're the intruder and you need to respect that space. But there are lines I would never cross, beyond the locker room and vaginal exam.
    I worked as a CNA for 5 years. It was the best job I ever had. When I first started, I came out to my employer, and told them that I would be letting our residents know. I was asked to keep it private, but I would not. I let every resident know I was transgender, and I even had a few of the residents that would not let males in their room accept my care. Of course, I did have residents who would not accept my care, but when you have a worker coming into your home to take care of you, you have a right to know, especially since such a big part of my job was peroneal care.
    I do understand why she would interpret dysphoria feeling that way, but that's not really how it manifests. When people ask what it's like, I like to tell them that gender dysphoria feels like that alien feeling you get when you try to use your off hand to do things. That generalized feeling of wrongness, but it's more intense. Except it's not when you're using a pencil to write on paper, but rather every time you look in the mirror, use a toilet, think about dating, think about how the world perceives you. You just don't feel like any of it is right, and it can be very distressing at times. But I'd never dream of saying "I feel like a woman". That's not what transgender is to me. It's a medical condition with a strict treatment plan that should be followed to the letter for the safety of the one with dysphoria. And NEVER on kids.
    I think the big issue here is that the modern transgender movement has this insane feeling of entitlement. That the whole world needs to bow to them like they're special. It's a mental illness, and I ascribe to a theory that says it has biological origins. But just because it's a medical illness does not give people a right to use their identity as a weapon against others, and that's the world we're living in.
    If any of you have any questions, I'd be happy to field them. I don't mind if you want to troll me a little, and I can take a trans joke better than anyone you know, so feel free to hit me with them. For people with actual questions, I'll be doing my best to answer them. I may just be some nobody transgender woman from the Midwest, but the odds of you getting an individualized response from Blaire White, Buck Angel or The Offensive Tranny are much lower than me.

  • @JohnSmith-vr3xr
    @JohnSmith-vr3xr Před 19 dny +1

    It is refreshing it hear this. When i was young i always had to be on guard from random guys. So i just want a safe space that has boundaries. I just say if a athlete trans woman doesn't care it isn't fair, they aren't a woman. Because when growing up with the systemic inequality of female, biological women care if they are unfair to other women.

  • @emejota2680
    @emejota2680 Před měsícem +8

    👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @lat-roc9733
    @lat-roc9733 Před měsícem +4

    You really should have played Helen Wheels from Wings Band on the Run as introduction according the Fact Checkers

  • @ADragon-gi9mr
    @ADragon-gi9mr Před 24 dny +1

    Being kind is different than accepting reality.

  • @H-youtube7
    @H-youtube7 Před měsícem +6

    Nothing risky about the next generation dabbling in what was the interest of people like A Kinsey and H Benjamin, right? So avantgarde of their parents to encourage it.. There's nothing more radical and rebellious now than to be decent, people can get crucified for that.

  • @sn4rff
    @sn4rff Před měsícem +4

    another really excellent video ❤

  • @DennisNelson-ee2il
    @DennisNelson-ee2il Před 24 dny +3

    Fully support JK Rowling.

  • @Torquemada70
    @Torquemada70 Před 24 dny +1

    It's a bit precious to be shocked, SHOCKED, that men tend to be naked around each other in a changing room. I mean, the clue's in the name....

  • @Matti-iu2eb
    @Matti-iu2eb Před měsícem +3

    Try to get "Frieda", and give him a few glasses of wine....

  • @samsonlovesyou
    @samsonlovesyou Před měsícem +11

    "Everyone's a rebel in the exact same way"
    As someone who's genuinely rebellious (in the sense of being an unapologetic and headstrong political radical), I can't even relay the frustration I experience with this phenomenon. Being 'educated' by some of the most airheaded sheep on the planet and they even have the smugnerance to think their conformity is defiant and my heterodoxy is the conformity 🫨 Just one more level of the maddening truth-inversion society we're all navigating right now.

    • @notreal-duh
      @notreal-duh Před měsícem

      wait are you calling trans people gender conforming?

    • @samsonlovesyou
      @samsonlovesyou Před měsícem +4

      @notreal-duh No, they're gender non-conforming, and conforming to the social contagion. In the context Helen was talking about, anyway.

    • @notreal-duh
      @notreal-duh Před měsícem +1

      @@samsonlovesyou so everyone trans is conforming too a contagion? how? i can’t even think of one thing they all have in common. what are they confirming to?

    • @samsonlovesyou
      @samsonlovesyou Před měsícem +5

      @notreal-duh I recommend subscribing to the channel we're commenting on and looking through some of the videos already up, including the full video with Helen Joyce. Andrew will tell you that he found his way to this topic as part of his initial interest in cults. One of the central themes of cults is conformity to the group.
      You ask what they're conforming to/have in common. Well, for one thing, they're conforming to a trans identity, to believing that either themselves or others are born into the wrong body. People can't be born into the wrong body, which I think most of the population understand, but conforming to this belief is part of the suicidal contagion. It's all very 'radical', except as Helen says, they're all being rebellious or radical in the same way. That extends to fashion conformity, where it's trendy to "rebel' by wearing gender non-conforming clothes. Similar to thr punks, Teddy Boys, Mods, Hippies, etc. or yesterday, it's all very rebellious from the old norms, but really, everyone is rebelling by conforming to that same ethos.

    • @notreal-duh
      @notreal-duh Před měsícem

      @@samsonlovesyou wow that sounds like a totally normal thing to say. you don’t sound crazy at all

  • @janicebeare8127
    @janicebeare8127 Před 4 dny

    She's so interesting and makes great points. I completely agree

  • @lisamontague6402
    @lisamontague6402 Před měsícem +2

    I love Helen ❤❤

  • @stephanieanderson1924
    @stephanieanderson1924 Před 25 dny

    Thank you so much Helen Joyce!

  • @oddpodd701
    @oddpodd701 Před 7 dny

    What a great conversation

  • @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293

    The Muslims are extraordinarily docile and quiet about this entire issue. Doesn't anybody find it fascinating how they have no problem whatsoever with this stuff or have anything to say in response in public? Hm, well okay, maybe it's just me.

    • @littlecatfeet9064
      @littlecatfeet9064 Před měsícem

      No, they’ve been protesting LGBT lessons in schools for years. The only thing I agree with them on.

    • @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293
      @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 Před měsícem +1

      @@littlecatfeet9064 Well we hear VEEEERRRRRY little about this. I certainly know of not one single video I could link or refer others to. If you know of a handful of good ones that back up what you wrote I'd be thrilled to check them out.

    • @littlecatfeet9064
      @littlecatfeet9064 Před 29 dny

      @@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 We do hear very little about this because the left media loves both the transes and the Muslims and don’t want them to fight. So I don’t think they are quiet about it so much as it’s not being reported on. There are videos out there showing anything from British Muslims protesting LGBT lessons in schools (and Canadians protesting SOGI lessons in schools on Rebel News, the majority of whom are Muslims) to pro-Palestinian protesters grabbing Pride flags from their kweer allies. I don’t have specific videos saved, sorry, but they’re there. Also, the classic “Brother, ew” video on X which is now a meme. Edit: Btw SOGI means Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, so the same as LGBT lessons and Rebel News Canada is a conservative news channel.

    • @davidhughes8795
      @davidhughes8795 Před 29 dny +2

      @@ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 Yeah, they are definitely very firmly against it. You won't hear about it in the media though, because.... Well, i'm sure you can figure it out.

    • @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293
      @ciganyweaverandherperiwink6293 Před 29 dny

      @@davidhughes8795 Well I too assumed they were 'very firmly against it' but the thing is, when that group put their foot down they MEAN IT and kuffars best not try their luck with them or their ferocious lefty academic allies. Their line in the sand is not up for compromise. To see how far the neo-Marxist/applied post-modernist woke ideology has gone in their rearranging of society means that they've somehow understood non-verbalised permission to just carry on with their "radical progressive" agenda. There's a strange pacifism from the Muslims and the only people who get called TERFs and 'phobes' and bigots are the so-called 'far right' bogeymen/women and highly active Christians. That's what's puzzling me. When the Muslims say 'we're not doing this-- our women and children are NOT doing 'gender neutral' changing rooms and 'gender neutral restrooms', our children are not going to social transition behind our backs at school and we're not being bullied into accepting this stuff under threat of HR repercussion in the workplace etc', well, I'd assume they'd be VERY FIRM indeed.
      I think you're definitely correct in pointing out that the media and Big Tech are in cahoots in engineering all this, censoring and suppressing so as to create a totally false projection of what's really going on. TO A DEGREE. As I clumsily said above in my usual long winded way, if there was pushback from that lot, the lefties wouldn't have gotten anywhere NEAR where they have. I believe the Muslims are being extremely politically strategic in their hand holding with the lefties (when it suits them, when those ignorant, gullible nitwits can be programmed and manipulated in favour of the Islamic agenda). As the Ayatollah Khomeini said, "If Islam is not political, it is nothing".

  • @mike9512
    @mike9512 Před 9 dny

    One person's right is they want to just be happy in their own bodies. The other person's right is to tell other people how to live their life and hate and/or belittle them for their differences. Pretty sure the person who just wants to be happy has priority.

    • @chinda63
      @chinda63 Před 4 dny

      And where does the creepy bloke who likes to put on a dress and then film himself whacking off in the ladies toilets fit into your nice binary?
      And where do the women who object to that fit in?
      PS please say that never happens so I can post you the link to the many MANY examples of it happening.

  • @nycrae
    @nycrae Před 20 dny +1

    Lesbian for sanity. I'm glad others have the same opinion. Call yourself what you want just leave women's spaces alone.

  • @andyiswonderful
    @andyiswonderful Před 24 dny +2

    Peter Tachell reminds me of feminists who continue to complain about the non-existent wage gap.

  • @nicola4594
    @nicola4594 Před 20 dny

    Helen you are amazing! Thank you!

  • @NemesisTheInevitable
    @NemesisTheInevitable Před 21 dnem

    Why should they? They don't care about what you have to say.

  • @tomgreene1843
    @tomgreene1843 Před 17 dny +1

    Surprised HJ has not been writing for the Irish Times ....a great supporter of various opinion.

  • @randombsgo4367
    @randombsgo4367 Před měsícem +3

    I could have sworn she was a doctor

  • @Jo-jo4do
    @Jo-jo4do Před 17 dny

    I love this woman so much.

  • @TheGenbox2
    @TheGenbox2 Před 28 dny +1

    Top notch

  • @BuFFoTheArtClown
    @BuFFoTheArtClown Před 22 dny

    Rights are not a pie. It's just that most people, and when I say most I mean nearly everybody, do not understand what a right is and where rights come from. Or more pointedly, how do you derive a right and where do you derive it from?

  • @robertphillips2492
    @robertphillips2492 Před 20 dny +1

    Why have the words rape and rapist been edited out of this? Who has edited them out…. The content provider or the CZcams folks?

  • @laurykristensen6239
    @laurykristensen6239 Před 13 dny

    I never hear about trans men going into men's change rooms, etc. Any men that can speak on that? Has it happened? How do you feel about it?

  • @clairenanson7664
    @clairenanson7664 Před 8 dny

    Reductio ad absurdum - yes!

  • @killcat1971
    @killcat1971 Před 19 dny +1

    Does she support keeping females out of "male spaces"?

  • @SteveCondron
    @SteveCondron Před 16 dny

    The culture of consensus regarding trans rights seems to have an infantilising effect on its adherents.

  • @BTphosheezy
    @BTphosheezy Před 28 dny

    I love her so much.

  • @user-pv2dp4dq8b
    @user-pv2dp4dq8b Před 16 dny +1

    There's always going to be these silly discussions about what rights do we have...what are the rules... what does article 942-X-1 say....
    When humans have to serve the rules, whether or not they agreed to them, that is slavery...
    The rules should serve us.
    We have rights regardless of what the rules say.
    It's not the government's job to tell us what rights we have and don't have.
    It's the government's job to protect our rights.
    That is really their only job, and they have failed miserably at it.
    This ridiculous "trans" issue only exists because our system is so fucked up and is obviously part of some agenda. Hell, the medical industry is making tons of money off all this, as usual, and doing totally immoral things with no real accountability.
    Same old story.
    But no one seems interested in the solution.
    We have to hold people accountable for their actions, regardless of what the rules or government says.

  • @rootsraf
    @rootsraf Před 22 dny

    Most of what fuels the rabidly intolerant and authoritarian tone of those trans activists that vehemently defend these ideas is ignorance. A lack of self awareness, ignorance of history, ignorance of critical evaluation, of logical process.

  • @cheechalker8430
    @cheechalker8430 Před 8 dny

    We do not allow the rights of entire groups to be determined by the minority?!
    How about the rights of XX chromosomed individuals being dismissed because of the “rights” (fetishes)of XY chromosomed autogynephiliacs?

  • @dawniefaye
    @dawniefaye Před 12 dny +1

    She is a heretic I love!

  • @jellyrcw12
    @jellyrcw12 Před 10 dny +1

    She's my favorite heretic!!

  • @richardlbowles
    @richardlbowles Před měsícem +5

    "I think back to the changing rooms in the building where The Economist was, and still is, and there are really people who do that. They wander round completely naked. Women wander round completely naked." (9:23)
    Thanks, Dr. Joyce. I've made a note of that.

  • @user-yo4ze7rv3n
    @user-yo4ze7rv3n Před 9 dny

    Now what happened to my body my choice for the rape victims requesting a woman doctor.

  • @RebeccaWestwood-zy4wj
    @RebeccaWestwood-zy4wj Před 22 dny

    Well you have given examples justs given with mtf and nit ftm. What is your answer for this?
    Ok if you arguement right where do mtf or ftm go then?
    If you are concerned about violence or safe spaces should you teach makes to respect women and kids?

  • @kennethblakeley6536
    @kennethblakeley6536 Před 20 dny +1

    Peter tatchell, the guy is 🤢

  • @boscinet
    @boscinet Před 20 dny

    Next episode: "why Creationists won't debate evolution with Richard Dawkins"

  • @ThePontiacBandit911
    @ThePontiacBandit911 Před 24 dny

    What an absolute legend Helen is.
    You can see why Roxanne Tickle’s lawyer fought with every fibre of her body to keep Helen from testifying.
    She knew full well that Helen can forensically, yet elegantly take this ideology apart.
    The Judge would have been utterly persuaded by Helen’s witness statement and testimony.

  • @tracygeddes5867
    @tracygeddes5867 Před 8 dny

    Other people have rights just not trans women.the argument is that in giving trans women rights other women loose out…..really….that is a straw man argument and is so lame.

  • @stud105
    @stud105 Před 26 dny

    Melt

  • @charlesd4572
    @charlesd4572 Před 19 dny

    They do and it's pointless. You are an ideologues just like they are. And just like all ideologues you contradict yourself. In your case biological determinism for women's spaces but not in the economy.

  • @terryshanahan-ve8hg
    @terryshanahan-ve8hg Před 24 dny

    Sone serious death by advertising going on with this channel

    • @Jane-ow7sr
      @Jane-ow7sr Před 24 dny

      There's more death in regret than there is in denying delusion.

  • @Thew1zarddddd
    @Thew1zarddddd Před měsícem

    Wonder if the individual in the thumb nail has given the ok for it to be used across the internet

    • @blah914
      @blah914 Před 26 dny +1

      it goes under fair use laws

  • @NibberKSmooth
    @NibberKSmooth Před 19 dny

    No one cares if a person has transitioned. This is a huge exaggeration just for the sake of social media content. It’s irrelevant, boring and no one cares.

  • @billkosses3808
    @billkosses3808 Před měsícem +7

    People really need to stop linking questioning Trans ideology with supporting Israel's genocidal conduct.
    You're playing into the culture war narrative. Stay in your lane.

    • @GaryMorin
      @GaryMorin Před měsícem +6

      There is no genocide against the so-called Palestinians. This is a war that Hamas, a terrorist regime, started when they broke the existing ceasefire. War sucks and this is not a genocide. Don't misuse words emotionally to be performative and provocative

    • @barbarakauppi9915
      @barbarakauppi9915 Před 29 dny

      You're projecting again, princess peanut. Take your own advice and stay in your own little lane.

  • @ivorc8957
    @ivorc8957 Před měsícem +3

    Feminism has gone the full circle.