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CZcamsr Veronika Mark speaks excellent English and now she is studying Spanish in Mexico City. I caught up with her and discussed her studies and how her English has improved since we last spoke.
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0:00 What has Veronika been up to since we last chatted?
4:02 How do English learners feel about English being the lingua franca?
6:21 Veronika's English learning journey.
8:54 If not English, what? Esperanto?
11:25 What is Veronika up to next?
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Uzbek should be the lingua franca!
Well, it is! ....at least in Uzbekistan and its Karakalpakstan autonomous republic and also in parts of Afghanistan. If that´s not international enough I don´t know what is.
Honestly, for inclusiveness, I must insist that ancient Albanian sign language be included as a mandatory subject in school
All you have to do to learn fluent Uzbek is to look into your eyes so that should be achievable.
nheengatu is the best lingua franca!
@@wallacealmeida8872 Marquês de Pombal wants to have a word with you
Thank you, Steve, so much for inviting me! I had an amazing time discussing language learning with you 🤗
I enjoyed it and we'll do it in Spanish the next time!!
Hi
Si que graven el siguiente video Verónica y Steve en español para checar la pronunciación de Verónica a de ser interesante abalar que tan franca es el idioma español en el mundo y los diferentes asientos como el mío que es de México y aquí ablamos cantadito en mi pueblito desmimos hay asta el ratón te me cuidas y te va pa la sombrita compachi que hay mucho crikero tirando placa por aya jejeje a qui así se Abla todo recortado pero así es por acá en México Puebla altepexi
I like this video and it's very amazing your pronunciation and fluency of both
Great interview!
She is a example that “native speaker level” or “fluency level” is really hard to achieve. She has been learning English since her childhood and she can still improve. Nowadays we see all the marvelous courses and stuff like that “6 months to fluency” or something. It shows how many years not months we need to achieve expectational level. If you think that 15 minutes a day for 6 months can bring you really far you are mistaken
It's also a perfect example of why no native language should be the sole lingua franca, because there will always be a power imbalance between even the best of 2nd language speakers and natives.
she is not talanted, thats all. Just an attention seeker woman who has male viewers
@@jackfordon7735 Eksakteli, pople hu hav Inglish az deiz nativ linguaj hav an vantaj in de welde ov tudei kompared tu oderes ande dat bi not fer. Morfarmor, Inglish hav an kaotik speling ande an difikul fonetik.
It's a good foundation tho and ultimate native-like fluency is not necessary
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Thank you for the interview! I am learning german, and just for few days was thinking about concentrating myself on speaking skills. And after hearing how good Veronika speaks english, I am trying to gets tips on speaking skills from her videos in her youtube channel)
I remember when different countries would learn different foreign languages. For example, people in Spain would learn French as their foreign language. People in eastern Europe would learn Russian. Not English. I used to speak French and German with non-native speakers in Europe. Not any more. Most places, English is the foreign language most everywhere now. If you leave your country, you speak English. Some countries have made English a second national language even though there are very few native speakers of English. Go to the Philippines or Saudi Arabia and everyone speaks English and your hear it and see it all the time. And English loan words are appearing in all foreign languages. In Korean, Tagalog, Hindi, etc. You hear English words all the time to the point where the languages are kind of hybrids- half English, half native language. Not sure if it will stop, but there has been a huge progression of ever-increasing English use in the world. For better or worse, English and Anglo-American culture has taken over the world.
In Tagalog and Hindi, there must be understanding that they were colonies of the US and British, so the english influece is more strong, There's a dialect from the spanish even, that I can understand (I'm from South America), but has some native words as well. Also use it for a few words they don't have and instead of inventing one (like the Vatican and the latin/Iceland with the Icelandic). But yeah, even in my country we use some english words for a lot of things, incluiding when we have a word for it
Yea America is pretty sweat and everyone around the world can see that now thanks to the internet.
It’s the world’s lingua franca now
Hello. My name is Saul. I am a Bolivian. My native language is Quechua. I also speak Spanish, English and a little of French. I am learning German what a hard but an interesting language is.p
¿How many people speak quechua?
I love this kind of small talk 👍🏻❤🎉
As non-native speakers, we just need to be having more interesting topics being discussed in a natural way like you're both doing now. Interesting topics may boost our interest in listening to you guys,
Estoy aprendiendo inglés es muy difícil, pero al verlo creo que con perseverancia lo voy a lograr al igual que el profesor
I subscribed to her channel to learn English of course yes, i can't believe that she is not an English native speaker. I would to see her colab with mrs. Marina, i subscribed to LinguaMarina too, i'm also an English learner. English change my mindset a lot, expacially about western culture i just love it.😁
A question few people consider is how native English speakers feel about it being the Lingua Franca. I don't really like it to be honest. I sometimes feel envious of people who have as their native language one which is more 'private' and special to them.
Me too
What it means lingua Franca I saw it several times in comments
@@Asmrgameer it means the global language, so the language that is used most in the world
@@natashacallis2736 thank you
@@Asmrgameer It really means a language that is used for communication that isn't necessarily either party's native language- any language used purely for communication can be a lingua franca, and there can be an unlimited number of them. Like if a Bulgarian and a Japanese person spoke in broken Chinese with one another, that would technically be their lingua franca.
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There's something that feels dangerous about saying "you can either whine about it or do something about it". While certainly one way to do something about it is to embrace the inherent unfairness, another way could be to become somewhat uncooperative towards English-speaking people in an effort to discourage them from speaking the language, or in the absolute worst case scenario pursue a very nationalist and/or expansionist foreign policy in favour of countries where one's preferred lingua franca is spoken. While I can stand behind Steve's sentiment of practicality, I feel a lot of resistance to what Veronika said there.
I agree. When I was in Northern Sumatra many years ago I came across an ethnic group that refused to converse with me in Bahasa Indonesian. Although Indonesian was the National language, these people vehemently refused to speak it as a protest, as it was seen as an Imperial tactic to destroy competing languages! There is a lot more that factors into language than practicality. And, speaking to the young woman’s flippant remark….Many people cannot afford the time and attention she possesses in learning another language.
If Helsinki´s restaurants, tourist info points, museums and traffic explanation signs in the Helsinki Metro stopped giving info in an English version below the Finnish "original" or replaced it with say Swahili I assume the flow of tourists to Helsinki and Finland would drastically drop. So much for practicality.
@@rvdzst I'm not quite clear on how your comment relates to my original point, but if you'll clarify it I'll gladly respond. You did say something very interesting though! In my city all the signs are only in Spanish and even in the more touristic areas most people don't speak anything apart from Spanish. Even so we get so many tourists that I'd rather see their numbers reduced. I sadly don't think writing those same signs only in a less spoken language is an option.
@@teuvorallikuski390 Granted, It does not really. I was only referring to the practicality part in your post. I took Helsinki as an example as your name strongly hints toward Finland. Replace Helsinki with Oslo, Tokyo or Singapore if you like. I don´t know where you currently live, so I liked to assume in my post it was somewhere in Finland. A Finnish city with Spanish-only signs though seems very curious if not completely unplausible altogether, unless you consider Fuengirola in Andalusia a Finnish town ;) ...
@@rvdzst Haha fair enough! I'm sadly not Finnish, but I've spent a good while learning the language, hence the name.
It's great to know English since you can pick up a book on nearly any topic or sign up for a MOOC on nearly any subject. If I were to know only my native language, that'd feel extremely restricted and confined. Must feel odd though to have English as your first and perhaps only language, like having to see the world through yellow-tinted sunglasses all the time, everything coloured by that language's cultural tilt and not even knowing there are other ways of seeing things too.
Yes , it is definitely an advantage to know multiple languages,but I think
it is just a lack of interest/motivation and more importantly living in a mono lingual environment for the English native speakers all,their life, and the same for most monolingual people In the world from Japan to Russia.. a lot of people from places like Quebec in Canada, some parts of Europe like Switzerland speak 3 or more languages fluently, thanks to their multi lingual environment both at home and school growing up.
@@frankfei9130 I understand German, Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, English (they all sort of come in a cluster) and French, a little Spanish, a little Italian (another cluster). Never managed any Finnish, sadly, it seems hard but the people seems so nice so that's really a loss not understanding their language. Näkemiin! 😁
My only language right now is English. Your comment about seeing the world through yellow tinted glasses is exactly why I’m picking up Arabic right now.
Another disadvantage of being english only is that your country tends to get reputationally battered as so many non-native speakers can clearly see the flaws in your country, but you can't see the flaws as well in theirs due to the language barrier. There is also a certain amount of cultural erosion not having the defence of a local language.
@@derpherp7432 De idea ov linguistik relativiti, olsou nowed az de Sapir-Whorf hipotesis, de Whorf hipotesis, or Worfianisme, bi an principi sugering dat de struktur ov an linguaj influence de weldeviste or kognition ov itez spikeres, ande dos de linguajes ov de individus determin or sheip deiz perceptiones ov de welde.
I would argue that English should not be the lingua franca, but rather a lingua franca. In my experience having spent a lot of time surrounded by different people from different countries, I've seen that the most practical lingua franca can vary hugely. In some unfortunate situations people have thought that they don't have a language in common since one or both of them didn't speak English... only for them to later find out that they did have some other language in common. In less serious scenarios I've seen people go on for a good while in English without realising both parties would be more comfortable in another language. I've found it's practical to try and get across your language repertoire early on in an interaction so that your conversation partner can pick their preferred language. You'd be surprised at how often it's something you generally wouldn't consider a lingua franca.
Russian is another lingua franca. I've visited Czechia, and while the people who work in hotels and restaurants generally speak English, the people who work in grocery stores don't. The lady at the bakery in the store didn't speak English, but did speak Russian, and even if she didn't, we could have communicated in Russian and Czech. "Chléb" and "хлеб" sound a lot more like each other than like the English cognate, "loaf".
I've never been in Russia or any former USSR country, but I think that two people from there whose native languages are unrelated, such as an Udmurt and a Kazakh, would more likely have Russian than English in common.
bonjour steven. merci beaucoup pour cette information. je veut apprendre deux langues english et portugais mais je sais pas comment commencer
Very good video! I am surprised you know each other)
Saludos me acabo de suscribir a su canal y deseo hablar Ingles . Ese es mi sueño ... Fuerte Abrazo Steve
Language doesn't have an ideology by itself, we have to use the most spoken languages to facilitate the communication, impose a Language over others might be ideological but the language itself is not
Nice
Poland added Esperanto to its list of intangible cultural heritage in 2014.
What?
Languages don't have ideology
Soy desde el Salvador.
I started to speak in English when I finally decided to do that because in my school time I had thinking about English as a subject not as a tool for speaking. So I were doing my homework only and it was not that much helpful.
Same I learned English at uni too but I only did my homework when it came to speaking I just didn’t say anything even I was ready because there were lots of students speaking good so I just being watched them 😮like this so today I put most efforts on speaking by myself,good to us 😅
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I don't care what anyone thinks I am learning Esperanto. I'm a native speaker of English, so what languages should we anglophones learn? For a start, learning Esperanto is useful. It helps you learn other languages and even if all 8 billion people on this planet know English either as a first or additional language and there are any benifits of a native speaker learning another language. My choices are German and Esperanto.
It's a really good point that understanding is the base of any communication. It's the main goal of any talking. Many people want to talk but less can be good listeners. For me listening and uderstending is going the first.
I also heard this complaint. English is everywhere and I'd like to understand but I hate the Anglo-Saxons. What for someone immerses himself in this stuf? Completely counterproductive.
Learning languages gives a wide-ranging view and you become more freedom and more cross-cultural person as well. I think, It's cool thing about languages.
Steve, Esperanto havas sian propran komunumon kaj kulturon dise en la mondo,. La lingvoj povas esti tre diversaj -- tamen, ni memoru, ke la mondo estas unu sola; kaj Esperanto, kiel helplingvo, estas por la tuta mondo. Salutojn el Esperantolando!
Liaj kialoj ridigis min. Mi konsentus nur se Esperanto estus malfacile lernebla
@@RJCMaxification Mi wondero whato all this means.
@@adamclark1972uk bro you got the whole squad laughing
Seems like it is 'de facto'.
"should" is not the question, there is only "will".
Languages come and go. Back in the ancient times, Latin was the lingua franca, but 1600 years later and it's a dead language for quite some time. In the 1700s, it was French, which is still the official language for diplomatic subjects. Nowadays, English is the lucky one, and so on. Maybe in the next century it'll be another one, who knows? Maybe it's unfair, ok, but like Steve said, it's a practical solution, and that's just how things are. Post-neolithic humans have always had this need for an universal language, and I don't think it's going to be different anytime soon. Great video, by the way! Greetings from Brazil!
Can you use an ItaIian word Iike "linga franca" to describe the English language as a linga franca.
I'm sure Veronika will reach a B2 level in Spanish soon enough, assuming she stays in Mexico for the next year or so.
There should be no set lingua franca in my opinion. People can choose to learn whatever they want depending on their needs and what they find interesting. The UN already has their list of official languages (Arabic, Mandarin, English, French, Russian and Spanish). The main reason English is used is because of the world power structure but that changes as power shifts from one place to another. The Philippines where I live, used to have Spanish and Filipino as official languages then changed Spanish to English when the US replaced the Spanish as invaders. But if I were to chose any language as a lingua franca just based on how melodic it sounds I would most definitely not choose English. I would go with romance languages like Portuguese or French simply because they sound good. I learned Portuguese because of Paulo Coelhos books and Russian because of Dostoyevsky both sound better than English.
isn't the way to realize what means lingua franca
I was commenting to a Korean man that he should learn to speak English not to speak with English people, but to speak to, for example, people in China and Japan. Otherwise just learning Japanese or Mandarin excludes one country or the other. I love mandarin myself.
最近では中国語を学ぶ人がすごく増えています。日本の商社では、4人に1人は中国語を話せなくてはならないとの決まりを決めましたし、韓国でも中国語教育がすごいと聞きました。これは「言語の経済」と呼ばれるもので、多くの人はお金に引き寄せられるように言語を勉強します。アフリカのいくつかの国では既に中国語が義務教育で教えられています。今後の国際語がどれになるかは中国・アメリカ、この両国の経済的影響力に左右されるでしょうね。
Yes. It's lean, clean, and (for the most part) ungenderized. Yeah, some of the spelling is a little goofy...but no one knows that (or cares) when you're speaking it verbally. I love German, French, and Spanish, but I feel a certain freedom and joie de vie when I don't have to remember appropriate genders and cumbersome sentence word orders.
It already is?
There are reasons why English is the global lingua franca. English speaking countries have had a massive effect on the modern world, with the Industrial Revolution starting in England, and the technological revolution that is computers and the internet also being birthed in English speaking countries, and air travel that has made the world a global village also coming from America. So if it is "unfair", it's an unfairness that has been achieved, in a way.
I think of course it can be seen as unfair thing for english to be the lingua franka. But if not, what should be?? I think it is the most practical, realistic thing... maybe unfairness is natural thing... which makes us difficult ^^;;
On the one hand I am glad of course I learned English. On the other hand its 'imperialistic force' annoys me. Like there are regular German schools were history is taught in English nowadays (it's a quite recent development but there's pressure on the schools to follow this 'modern' trend), and imo it should still be okay to do our history classes in German.
Imo we should encourage students more to learn a more diverse pool of languages (f.e. from the many languages of our EU partners) instead of doing everything in English (which we all learn anyways, even without English history classes)
Verónica no me gustas con el cabello recogido, me gustas más con el cabello suelto.
Con el cabello suelto luces más bella. ❤️
I'm a native English speaker and I do wish the world lingra franca wasn't English. I enjoy learning other languages and don't want to be forever a monolingual English speaker. Other than that personal goal of not wanting to be monolingual are there any other benefits of native English speakers learning other languages? Do we get the same rewards for our efforts opportunities as people learning English as an additional language?
What is Veronica's first language? The "yup" for "yes" sounded a bit Swedish 🇸🇪...
Russian :)
My guess is that she is German.
Russian.
Espero que algun dia aprenda español y venga a perú para invitarla a salir estoy seguro que me ligaraa uwuu
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The “unfairness” is on English speakers. All around the world, most people start almost by default with a local language (whatever that may be) and a global language (English). For everyone except native speakers of English, these are two separate languages - giving non-native English speakers the advantage of being a language ahead before they start. On top of this, it is easier for them to continue on the language learning journey - whereas native English speakers are disinclined ever to start that journey. How much they miss!!
I think you meant _native_ , rather than _non-native_ ?
I agree!
I think it's a national tragedy that your average French teenager can speak English very well, but your average British teenager can only say a few words in any other language.
@@goawayimsleeping509similar to here in the states. Public schools do tend to have language programs (Spanish or French I think) but they aren’t all that great. Maybe that’s more the school system though…
@@bernardkung7306 No, he meant non-native. The non-native speakers are a language ahead, because their local language is different from the global language.
Just don't underestimate other languages. i thought i could do anything in English until i just ran into a wall of people who could only speak Spanish or French or Hungarian or even Albanian. and with the internet it gets more diverse. i recently tried to google something and everything i was in odia. you can't even learn that language on most apps if you wanted to. i think the world is actually becoming more multilingual. and English reached its peak dominance 20ish years ago when the internet first got popular. and everything on it was still in pure English made in America.
Esperanto could be the universal language without native speakers, culture, food, or a place called Esperanto land. The only problem is getting everyone on board with it, which certainly isn't happening anytime soon.
That's why Chinese isn't gonna take over at least for now. Most Westerners don't like Chinese culture. More Chinese people have the potential to communicate in English than Westerners learning Chinese... We all have potential but does everybody have the attitude to learn it?
Вероника откуда? Она из России?
Да :)
What gives away that she is not a native speaker? Can you give examples?
I think English is an appropriate langauge to become the lingua franca as it is right now some how. Because English has a regular and exact grammar and also there are alot of English words common between English and other languages, but there is only one problem to be solved if it become the lingua franca and that is the issue of pronounciation and alphabet. Linguists should work on English alphabet based on pronounciation approach, so that make one letter only for one sound. It is very disgusting that [a] can have many sounds in different words for example.
"... because English has a regular and exact grammar..." 🤣🙄🤕
@@bernardkung7306
I've learnt Russain and Duetsch, and as a Persian native speaker English grammar was easier for me than the two others.
English has a lot of irregular verbs. In terms of grammar, Mandarin is the easiest. It doesn’t conjugate at all.
come came ➡︎来 来了
go went ➡︎去 去了
eat ate ➡︎吃 吃了
am・is・are・was・were
➡︎ 是
It already is the lingua franca (almost a joke phrase: Saying in latin that English is the French language.) For now.
Something has to be an international language, and English happened to be there in WW II and the Cold War. It was deliberate, it just happened.
I don't know why all of the channels of languages hates Esperanto when they haven't tried it, only because is the most popular opinion. What makes esperanto good is that it has not a culture, thanks to this it is fairer to everyone in the word. When you are not a native speaker of english, you learn what is to see how the most of the students, after 10 years studying english they can't even have a simple conversation. Esperanto is the best solution, in a year you could learn better than 10 years of english in a school.
There are some valid reasons why Esperanto shouldn't be the lingua franca - "It doesn't have its own country" isn't one of them. If anything, that's a pro, not a con, Steve
I would say, honestly, International Sign Language would be a much more interesting language of the people, considering it has the potential to include Deaf people and not just the hearing
Yeah no. Sure, learn a sign language (ISL is not that universal), it is completely unsuitable as a general purpose language though.
@@microcoloneland for who has not hands ? How could he speak ?
Tanto non accadrà mai
if the French invented the airplane... they could impose their own Franca but Aviation brought the world together and that language is English. Yes I'm from Ohio. Birthplace of Aviation. First feet on the Moon.
400 million Arabic speakers, almost none speak English.
Actually, there ARE native speakers of Esperanto, and there IS Esperanto culture. It's a live language which is spoken by a huge number of people around the world. It's easier and much faster to learn than any other national language. The only reason that it's not a língua franca is that the governments of the English speaking countries aren't interested in losing the advantages of English as the lingua franca.
Smoking that good stuff tonight
Interesting how Steve praises scantily clad women on his channel, but when he interviewed Matt vs japan he was condescending the whole time. I like Steve, but I’d also prefer he doesn’t stoop to using this clickbait with half nude girls.
I am not sure how to respond to this. Veronika is not scantily clad in the video. For you to say that is your problem not hers. I judge people by what they have to say. I am not obliged to agree with anyone, nor is anyone obliged to agree with me.
@@Thelinguistfair enough. I have a lot of respect for you. Thanks for the response.
Ti mando i francesi a casa
1:20 Dico a tutti che hai rapito i figli di EL CHAPO
I speak better english 🗿
I think this whole "It's the way it is, so we should throw our hands up and accept it" is a really poor attitude. What if people said that about global warming, racism, or any other form of inequality? The global hegemony of one single language is a major threat to linguistic and cultural diversity, as well as essentially a clamp over the mouth of the 4/5ths of the world that don't speak it. We as a species should be able to come up with a better solution than the unquestioned dominance of one group's native tongue. I, for my part, support the Esperanto community where I can, and would love to see more discussion on potential solutions to this issue.
You,re not a native speaker of English , who can tell? Who cares?
russia alert
I couldn't tell that she wasn't a native English-speaker. I don't hear a foreign accent. She didn't say anything I wouldn't say. She says "uh" and "um" more than I do, but less than many native speakers. The only "mistake" she made, imo, was in her attire. I thought it was inappropriate, unintentionally disrespectful, and distracting. For an interview like this, I don't want to see a woman's cleavage or a man's chest. Maybe those would be more appropriate if the topic were swimwear. Does this sound like I'm being uptight, sexist, or a fuddy-duddy?
Exactly 😂😂
"Does this sound like I'm being uptight, sexist, or a fuddy-duddy?"
That would be putting it kindly.
Even before checking your profile.
You are being uptight. You have no criticism on the content but just the attire. It can be a summer day, she could be on vacation, some countries don't have ACs, whereas Steve just looks as if he is in a winter climate. Besides, this doesn't look like they have a dress code. Also, she's Russian. They love to look good and I think they have their own ways to do/show it. This video will be considered fairly normal by most women. Different countries have different laws related to nudity especially Europe. I have seen more cleavage exposed by both genders on coding channels given the popularity of those content creators as well as coding, it had more views and I could barely find a comment like you there. Here, with some effort you can atleast try to focus on what she's speaking because of her somewhat slow speech in English, there you couldn't focus even if you tried because of the native American slangs, fast speech and attire of both people still it was manageable but it took a lot effort to not criticize at the dress.
Veronica I absolutely love that smile of yours. Are you single?
Bruh
Inappropriate.
@@barrysteven5964 opinions vary barry
No way, it will be forgotten as are its predecessors - Greek, Latin, French. Chinese is the only candidate. Lingua Franca is always the language of the ruling superpower. So, goodbye poor English.