"Delphi Murders" Analysis
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the Delphi murder case? This involved two homicides, Liberty German and Abigail Williams.
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it’s just is really disappointing to me that these girls literally recorded/filmed their killer for evidence yet they still haven’t gotten justice.
It really does seem odd to me. Murders are solved with much less evidence than this case. I have to commend those poor girls, though. Under serious threat of danger, to have the presence of mind to take pictures, videos, audio, all without the perp knowing it. Brave and intelligent girls, they were. Perhaps the police 'know' who did it, but don't have the evidence for a conviction. I hope so, because eventually they may get that evidence. If not, might never be solved.
Infuriating. Somebody knows.
Also this park is very popular and there should have been many people there idk how no one saw anyone
@@jessicabookout771 dont know the area at all, but seems like they couldve ran, maybe they knew the killer
@@jmc7504 LE made it clear the girls nor the family knew the killer. IMO, when they told us the girls stuck together I believe the killer probably just grabbed one of the girls threatening with a weapon so the other wouldn’t run because she was afraid he was going to hurt the other.
I lost the video but there is a video out there with one of the attorneys stating shortly after the crime that even if this had happened before we had all this great technology it would still be an easily solved case. Talked like he was worried yet here we are.
This case is so sickening, baffling, and terrifying to me. How is it that the victim bravely took a photo of him and recorded his voice, and yet we don’t have him yet. She was so brave to do that. She had to have known she and her friend were not likely to live and she made her last actions count.
Ironically it to DATE, has NOT helped.
The guy had a gun. And Abbey maybe could have got away but stayed for her friend..
Just a question, did he rape any of the girls, was it a sexual thing or just murder? because if it was just murder i think it's scarier
@@boogiestreet594 as far as ive heard, it was a murder alone. No idea why he did it at all.
Because the cops have only released four words and one second of video. That's not enough to identify anybody. That's not enough to identify speaking patterns. Right now he sounds like every man I know, and this guy in the video.
If the cops truly want to solve this, they need to release a hell of a lot more than what they have.
Can you believe they have a suspect who lived in Delphi with his wife and daughter! Worked at CVS! Would love to hear your update on this!
Right!?! I’m positive they will finally get justice
Anyone else gets chills when you heard “down the hill”
Listen closely and you may hear what I and many others hear. Between guys and down there's another voice, kinda sounds like Charlie Brown Wah-wah-WAH. Listen again. I've gone back and forth on what they're saying, it's either We said NO!, or Let us GO!
@@lipshamorrissey4636 I hear it too. Bone chilling
I hear it too. Sounds farther away and I think that's why they dismiss it.
@@lipshamorrissey4636 Yikes! 😳
@@tamarevans9025 Yeah, I know. I almost hate to point it out bc it's so chilling. And I can't not hear it, every single time. I've pretty much settled on it being We said NO!, even though according to at least one analysis from a trusted source, it can't be there, it doesn't register in a scan. But there it is nonetheless. I'm trying to recreate the recording to see if lots of outdoor background noise might sound like a human talking when recorded on a phone. Not so far. I'd refer you to the source, but they've taken their channel down.
It's time for the cops to spit out a few more details they've been holding back... What they're doing now just isn't working.
Machete Moonlight yeah it’s going on four years now. I think they should give the public some more clues.
Yes why are they hiding things, seems like someone is being protected for a reason.
@ Nobody disagrees with you. But it’s way to far in your extreme. They haven’t even released the cause of death, anything about crime scene, items found, etc. imagine someone is able to learn for example, a wrench from their tool box was *used* (whatever you wanna call it) in the process of that day’s events, and/or this piece was found at the general crime scene. Someone hears that, goes “ive always suspected my husband/brother/coworker/teacher of this and now it makes sense because we were also missing a wrench from the toolbox as well.”
@@georgiafloyd1079 It's George Floyd
Could be someone in power (or even cop)...
You honestly might break CZcams with the amount of traffic you're about to get to your channel with this posting. Thank you for all you do!
I agree!!!!
Agreed I was just looking up the case to see if any progress has been made, when this notification popped up!
Hey Paul! Totally right! May this fiend be stopped and truth bring justice for the girls)-&
Lol he is. Love your channel btw RLFMS!
@@christa7773 thank you!
they caught the guy now!! can't wait to see an update video from Dr. Grande 🙏
“TODAY’S THE DAY!” (Sister’s tweet) 😭💔
Please do an update video! I can’t believe they made an arrest 🙏 please let there be Justice for these beautiful girls 💔💔💔
The gaps in the bridge is why they think it was a local or has been there often. He seems to be comfortable walking on it.
Plus he knew where to go. Outsiders weren’t familiar with the location, it’s a thing only the town or surrounding towns are aware of
I'm pretty sure my brother has antisocial personality (psychopathy), and something he told me is that he loves to try everything in life, regardless of risk. So, it makes me think that the murderer can still be from out of town because a psychopath can very quickly take enough risks to explore a new area.
Yep, definitely someone who knows the area. They need to be looking at a teacher, pastor, and someone of stature in the community.
@@chunkyMunky329 well that’s terrifying
As if he was attracting their attention.
Something really stinks about this. Pictures and footage of the man, audio too and he is still at large. How the girls died etc hasn't even been released to the family. So many flags.
I don't know how true it is, but supposedly a text from Libby's uncle got leaked where he said how they both were murdered.
As Stephanie says, a text from someone in the search party was leaked. Unfortunately, it stated they were both stabbed multiple times and one of them had their throat cut.
If this is true which I know they didnt really release anything publicly which tells me that they're either protecting someone or that they practically know who it is but cant pin it on him yet and are waiting for the perfect moment
@@SC-ew2fc Was there any signs of sexual abuse?
@@youdontneedtoknow5688 As far as I can recall, there were no signs of sexual abuse
I refuse to believe that this case won't be solved. I really want justice for those two girls and there is a sadistic killer out there still.
Arrested local weirdo creep Richard Allen last Friday. He has a humourless nothing looking face with dead eyes. He lived in the town and has no criminal record
And here we are today hopefully there will be an end
My friend and I used to go walking like this all the time, we were maybe 14 or 15. Probably why this story resonates with a lot of people, we've all walked alone or with a friend at some point. You just never know. Frightening to think about.
Always have a plan.
Well, yeah, its literally like Stand By Me, except they're no longer with us.
Yup all the time as a teen.
Like the Dr. says, “We may have come in contact with a killer but we don’t know it”
Things seem to be a lot less safe now for everybody.
I can not imagine the anguish the families felt when the girls went missing. It's sad commentary on our society when two girls can't go out walking in the middle of the day😪
@Robin Yabanks it's also a sad commentary on our society to see comments like yours.....
I lived near the woods so my friends and I used to play in there often even from a very young age. We knew about the dangers but we still went anyway because people really didn't visit those woods other than us. But whenever I hear of stories like this case my blood literally runs cold because it could of been me or one of my friends. 🙁
@@marleyex2695 our town had the same woods, plus a railroad like these girls' did. I used to walk it constantly until someone creeped out me and an ex (super long story) and also was stalking a friend of mine who walks back there too (another long story). It sucks cause the woods are supposed to be fun for kids away from society, not dangerous
This is an unbelievably sad and heinous case, but it is extremely uncommon and, statistically, the likelihood of it happening to any particular person is very low. We should live using common sense and taking precautions known to be effective, but there’s no need to live in fear.
@Robin Yabanks funerals
Easy to play armchair detective, I know, but I'm wondering if he produced a weapon as he approached, probably a gun, that he then concealed in a pocket while he continued to approach. This would have been the trigger for the girl to start recording, and "Guys.... down the hill" definitely sounds like a command or instruction. But without some additional threat of a weapon, I think it likely that the girls would have just run away. There was DNA recovered from the scene which has, as yet, not found a match. Perhaps the police may want to consider running the DNA on familial/ancestry DNA websites, (forensic genetic genealogy) which is what they did with the Golden State killer and found a match that led to the arrest and conviction of Joseph James DeAngelo.
DNA cannot not just be used against a person alone they have to find that missing piece because most killers like to be on the search teams so when they find the body they have an excuse as to why their dna was there. there were alot of people searching spiting etc.... yes i know they have thing in place for searches but basically most people were searching even after the guy called off the search.
Where did you hear about DNA being recovered?
@@ghostwalk2446 its most likely they would have some dna unless they were pro and cleaned everything . but skin sheds every min of the day so there would be skin ...
@@katieschwartz9689 Well I think you're right, most likely there was DNA at the scene, after all this dumbass "bridge guy" didn't know he was being recorded and never thought to check or take the victims' phones. You've got to consider the investigators themselves though, we know one of two things about them. One they are the most incompetent investigators ever, or two they are purposely protecting the killer, so while there was probably DNA at the scene I just don't think it was properly collected. This investigation was botched worse than anything I've ever heard of, the fact that they haven't been criminally charged or at least fired is absolutely baffling, and such a disservice to those poor girls and their families
@@ghostwalk2446 even one piece of strand hair would be there get stuck, skin the tiniest bit gets stuck on clothing or on there skin it always flakes away human dont notice this because its so small . they should have widened the crime scene he could of left dna in an area near.
If this person was a family member or a friend of mine I would recognise him from this video, someone must be protecting this person.
He is a loner.
He resembles a lot of people. However, the resemblance of the bridge image held against the picture of the suspect just arrested is undeniable. I tend to believe you are right, and his family either live under a rock or had to know.
The wife knew it was him no doubt. The crime was committed within miles from their home. The walk the voice the clothing. She knew it was him.
This was in the news 24/7 in Delphi and people in the town obviously spoke about it constantly. So the wife was hearing about the whole time.
The wife knew she just chose to hope it would all go away one day.
We have video. We have audio. We have the "odd crime scene." Why isn't this person identified?
Thank you Dr.Grande for sharing your perspectives. 👍
Yes, it seems the police have more evidence than many other murder cases. I hope they have other law enforcement agencies looking at this case. If it's just them, it may not be solved.
@@rubberchix calm down man he's just referring to what the police has, not himself
@@JustDr.S wait, so the FBI is not involved?
@@isunlloaoll I think other law enforcement agencies were involved. I'm not sure, though.
I don't understand why the suspect didn't take her phone or destroy it...maybe he knew about cell tower pings and didn't want it on him?
Thank you for posting this. I’m from Indiana, about 30 minutes from Delphi. we want justice for our girls
Same I lived in Indy in 2017 and would run on the monon trail every night after work
I just saw they arrested someone.
It's not all that difficult to narrow down the killer's identity once you accept a few basic facts in the case. At the 2019 Press Conference LE revealed Young Sketch and declared that he was responsible for the murders. It was then revealed through media outlets that LE had possession of Young Sketch 4 days after the murders, on February 17 2017 (murders were February 13). Why didn't they release Young Sketch when they had it and ask the public to identify him?
Because they already identified him. They thought he was a witness at the time.
At CrimeCon 2018, Sgt Jerry Holeman reveals that LE had several sketches of witnesses, family members, and search party members. The only way LE would have known that is if they identified the people depicted in the sketches they had.
In the April 29, 2020 interview with the Carroll County Comet, Sheriff Leazenby stated that the killer had likely been "interviewed but not immediately identified as an offender."
So, they had several sketches at the beginning of the investigation and those sketches were determined to be of witnesses, family members and search party members. And the killer had likely been interviewed but not identified as the killer.
The killer therefore, was likely considered a witness at the beginning of the investigation. The sketch of him was one of several sketches of witnesses they had all along.
His alibi therefore will be one that puts him at the crime scene in order to explain why a witness saw him there (why a sketch of him exists) but will supply an innocent reason for being there that would have survived superficial scrutiny.
They know who he is. He was hiding in plain sight as a witness. He changed his appearance dramatically following the release of Young Sketch. He is local, and his family is well-known in the community, just as Leazenby said it would be in that interview.
Both girls loved ‘true crime’ so it’s likely they’d said to each other at some point beforehand ‘wow if I ever get chills from someone,let’s film them’ then they did. They’ve now linked someone via the girls social media that could’ve been the killer but we will only ever find that out weigh after the arrest,if any! I think these girls were amazing and they loved each other,im from the UK and I was literally one of these girls when I was their age,I just wish they would’ve one day got to have been my age,41,love and wishes to both families.xxxx
Pure evil. Heartbreaking story.
I believe the kids witnessed this man doing something vulgar and he for what ever reason killed these girls
@@chillallthekildren this is so dumb
The later sketch was way off. He's over 40, out of shape, and pudgy. Fat freak who is not from the area.
It's crazy to me that in such a small town they can't find the killer despite having audio and video evidence! Someone knows, for sure.
The killer knows and there’s hella info out there and still NOT SOLVED I thought by 2020 they knew who it was
It is very possible that they're not even from that area and just came to do that and left
@@bhobolate9054
Someone drove from somewhere else to the middle of nowhere, finds 2 girls, murders them and goes home???
All precisely premeditated and thought through?
That makes zero sense.
@@abelis644 I would have thought the same, being from a big city. After I moved to a small American town, I found out people would drive to other towns to party or have casual dates, because they didn’t want their reputations ruined. Gay people, too. In small cities, thieves drive over an hour, to the city, to steal goods to sell. I know this because I’m in long term recovery from addiction, and it’s a common thing in those circles. Since then, I’ve been working to solve the (addiction) problem. If it’s a habitual criminal, or someone with deviant interests (clearly), it may be second nature to him, to take his business elsewhere to avoid detection. What does make me think you might be right is that he felt comfortable enough to walk on that bridge, and even to approach someone aggressively, there. Then again, he may have come regularly to visit the place, but it does suggest a high degree of familiarity.
The audio and video sucks
“And they will probably never know.” Well that was depressing.
I can't wait for you to make an update of this video! What difference a year makes. I hope justice gets served for the girls and their families.
This is the one case I want to see get solved ....its sad that it has basically gone cold with picture, video, and his voice ....at somepoint law enforcement is gonna have to release more details
I think it will get solved eventually. Personally, I believe in the geocaching theory where the killer is a professor that grew up in Delphi and would do annual digs in Delphi. His last dig in Delphi was during the summer of 2017 just a few months after the murders.
I think they know who did it. Possjbly protecting one of their own, but likely don't have the evidence to convict. This man knew these girls and they knew him.
@@charliesierra2490 I agree with you.
How did the girls die...stab, strangled, or does nobody know except for police
@@janetbaumgardner7492 they haven't released any Information about it even how they died but expect it to be solved somehow
At this point, what do the cops have to lose in releasing more info that could help the public identify the killer? So aggravating.
Agree, there is so much more to this case that the public might be able to help with. But it seems the cops know who it is, and are protecting some people, for their own protection. It stinks like bullcrap.
I don’t think the cops have a clue just like the rest of us. As much as they tried to clean the photo up it just isn’t clear enough.
- Not being able to later catch the king pin who was barking out all of the orders to more than one murder involved in the killings with similar evidence being left behind while practicing often their own imitation of Pelosi's maybe only frustrated with extremist orthodox believers voice that she can manage or while practicing their neo-Nazi Hitler style voice while barking out orders to a team of killers part of more than one cult instead? [I better not ever move to the U.S. not because I hate Americans only because I am not afraid to call out what looks to me a possible spade on any 'bridge over troubled water' too while of course not jumping too fast to any firm conclusions myself like it for sure being only one murderer who is only antisocial, [instead of psychopathic] narcissistic, impulsive, irresponsible, with a poor work history, maltreated as a child themselves. Only one thing for sure at this point we can assume is that whoever was doing the dirty work of murder unless it was murder for hire piece work [instead of for peace] was probable already trained in karate or whatever other martial art and already trained well enough in how to use a firearm for back up well enough to kill 2 people both at the same time.
They have to keep some details in order to weed out tips and fake confessions. Very standard.
@@fembot521 you dont keep all the info. You keep a few details that only the killer would know. They have botched this and it's starting to look like it was on purpose.
Cops been looking for this man for 5 years, flyers, sketch artists, more artists, maybe it would have been a good idea to release the video of the suspect. Not the 2 second release, there is 43 seconds on that tape. The police never released it. For what reason I cannot understand, it's incompetence. Police withhold evidence so when a suspect is found only the suspect knows the truth. Nothing on this tape fits that description. I can't believe they released only 2 second and then had the public guess the identity for years, this might have been solved if the public saw a longer version than just 2 seconds. She went there to meet what she thought was a new love, and this killer showed instead. 43 seconds of a man living in a small town, and we got 2 seconds. The police failed.
I think that he knew one of them, and had knowledge they would be there.
This case is so scary and frustrating. The girls were so smart to use their phone. Ive seen the crime scene on another channel, it's down a hill from the bridge. It;s not very far from the bridge
I think it was Grey Hughes Investigates that had some great information on this case. He's very thorough and has a few long episodes, you might find that picture of where the Girls were found if it's been released.
@Lance Anthony nah, dozens of people saw the bodies during the search. Next day someone went back and filmed the yellow tape and uploaded it on CZcams.
Bodies location was only 170 yards straight line from end of bridge. But the route requires two stages of down hill, some zig zagging, brief walk through a semi-wooded area, then across Deer Creek and up a 4 foot bank. I think an aspiring perpetrator could identify that area as ideal in one or two visits, whether or not he had ever been there beforehand
if libby could of zoomed in dang it
I had heard that there were multiple crime scenes. There is a barn they were apparently taken to where I would imagine most of sexual assault occurred
I think this case particularly haunts people because we can literally see and hear their murderer. It makes it particularly frustrating. If I was those girls I’d probably think “Okay if something bad happens, they will surely see this and get him” but that’s yet to be the case.
I had a few experiences with creepy/off people when I was younger. At the time I just brushed it off as “that guy was weird” but now I’m older I think about the what-ifs. It’s so scary and I hope that those girls bravery wasn’t for nothing.
I know we had a dude try to get us in his truck one time.. I think back on that and wonder what he was planning..
Looking at the man’s gait and overall appearance I think he’s more likely to be over 40 years of age. That’s just my initial impression.
I'd say 48 -52 yrs old, so why are they publishing 2 different photos on the man ?
It's hard to make any inferences from his gait because he's walking across a fairly dumpy bridge. Being able to move that quickly across it seems like it would be of someone younger and more daring.
@@grantp4022 its the property owner
The monster on that bridge is obviously a middle-aged man at the very least! It's almost like the authorities are trying to confuse the public with the new sketch of an obviously younger suspect!
Or there was more than one person involved - which explains a lot btw.
I’m a home visiting nurse practitioner based out of Indianapolis and I drive through Delphi sometimes on the way to see some of my patients. It is really weird to know that something so scary happened in such a quiet town. Their poor families.
The picture of the man on the bridge seems like an older man.
Yes, he looks like he has wear and tear in his hips.
The way he says "down the hill" sounds like a scolding dad.
One sketch looks like a man of about 20, that can go in the trash, I believe.
@@erikparent8176 I noticed that "old man" walk or some kind of bone disease, and he has small feet for his size. There's lots of char. about him besides his face. His lower torso looks very thin, he's not filling out those slim jeans at all. IF it is the killer, he's not at all like the young face in the sketch, but much like the first sketch released.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki yes, I agree with your analysis.
He has so many distinctive features and movements I dont understand why he is not recognized.
It's much more likely someone knows him but does not want to come forward.
This whole thing smells. Either law enforcement is purposely trying to confuse the people or there is a cover up. This guy should have been caught. Omg. The guys on video and audio and le has even more video supposedly not released. Very odd.
@@erikparent8176 I agree with you. Seems at least in his 40s.....
Thank God for that 5% ! Well as far as the profile, he did have a substance abuse problem and may be a narcissistic. It does seem that these killers are usually your ordinary guy that nobody suspects! That’s the scariest thing about these people 😳
Yes, they are missing something upstairs that forms a human being as a whole. Which is empathy, no consciousness or shame of their actions. You will only see feeling for themselves, surprised they got caught, in denial, disconnected, and devoid of sympathy towards their victims, etc.
Still got to get over that "only 20% of cold case arrests end in convictions" hurdle. And if they are to do that then they will have to have a lot more evidence (possible) than they put in the recently released probable cause to get him detained.
He must have been somewhere that day, gas station, groceries, food pantry, something considering that all of us are recorded an average of 19 times a day as we move around.
Dr G “amorphous blob related violence” has now made my list of favorite quotes by you. Thanks for your work. This case haunts me and I continue to pray for justice. Much ❤️to you from CA.
That was a real gem amongst a treasure trove
Amorphous Blob comments cracked me up too
i remember this happening, i live in indiana and i was in middle school at the time. my mom wouldn’t let me go anywhere by myself for weeks, and i thought it was stupid at the time. the more details i learned about the case the more i truly just trust my mom
Good thinking!
It was naive and irresponsible by their parents to leave them on their own in such a isolated wooded area. There are alot of people who are just nuts out there. In the woods there are people who are fiercely territorial and see strangers or intruders as prey.
That must have been terrifying, and so sad for you. I’m sorry you had to go through that. I grew up in the inner city and was afraid a lot, from about age 12. I didn’t want to mature into a young woman, because crimes against that age group and gender were common, especially trafficking. Delphi seems like such e nice place to grow up. That’s why I moved to a small town when I had kids. It’s scary to know that nowhere is really safe. I took a good R.A.D. self defense class in college, and it has helped me to feel safer. They teach you real police ground tactics and other fighting skills that you practice on men in padded suits. It makes you better prepared! I hope you are able to feel safe again. ❤️🩹
@@svenskgangmiljo2168 It wasn’t in the wilderness, where there are hillbillies and outlaws hiding out. At worst, there might be drug dealers or homeless people camping, but probably not camping in February. It was a city park, if in a very small city. There are clearings with buildings and farm land all around. Some of the YT channels have aerial views of the whole area, from GPS and helicopter footage from the search for the girls. I know Gray Hughes does. It was thought to be a safe place for a long time but, sadly, nowhere is completely safe. It’s hard, when you have kids and the whole family is working. I used to put my kids in structured activities until I got home but, around age 11-14, they rebelled against them because they want more independence, and to spend time with friends. I have lived in a town that size, and would probably feel my teens were safer in a nature park than unsupervised in town. Town kids are often bored, and get into trouble. I know they were good kids, but so are mine, and they saw kids using drugs, stealing, vandalizing, and they would try to pick fights in town. (We moved to a bigger city, with more for teens to do, and it helped). Maybe home is safest, but if adults aren’t home, perpetrators also attack people in their homes or yards, and you can’t really control if your kids stay there. Having family in Sweden, I think what really needs attention is the American work week. Many Americans work 60-80 hours. Even one full time job is 40 hours plus commute, and I’ve often put in more time to get the work done, and have take home work. If we had a 30 hour work week and public higher education so older siblings don’t have to work, it would be possible to supervise kids adequately. Their family seems very responsible to me, considering the circumstances.
I was always baffled about the “odds” of this crime taking place and also for the longest time thought it had to be random, but the more I listen and watch stuff about this case I’ve started thinking maybe it’s possible the killer was watching, or following them, not necessarily in real life, but online? I just feel like everything is to specific to be a random event!?
I agree I believe this individual had his eye on both of those girls for quiet a while...I do not believe he just showed I think he secretly followed them there
@@jjm2948 It has been confirmed that Libby was Infact talking to the Anthony_Shots account.
Update May 2021: James Chadwell II has been arrested for kidnapping a nine-year-old and is being looked at in connection to what happened to Abby and Libby. Interestingly, he kind of looks like the sketches.
The killer is MH- a youth pastor. He changed his appearance drastically after the murders and his voice is an exact match. The killer posed the girls like they were being baptized as well.
@@SobekLOTFC that's an interesting theory, I think I know who you're talking about. Was some evidence released suggesting the baptism con?
@@colorbugoriginals4457 look up Delphi UMC on YT- he is all over their videos. The pre 2017 videos he walks and talks just like BG sketch/video.
@@SobekLOTFC gawd. Dying to know his alibi.
@@SobekLOTFC if that is true that’s so disturbing . Wouldn’t surprise me that some youth pastor had some sadomasochistic sexual deviancy. My guess is who ever it was , the person catfished the girls to meet him near or on the trail to hang out . Hence the killer was waiting and had a kill site already set up prior to kidnapping them
It’s up to ALL of us to put an end to amorphous blob-related violence.
😂😂😂
@Charlie Hunt my God NO! I thought the amorphous blob comment was funny, just a lite note! & you must to even think that way, so check YOURSELF
@Charlie Hunt You find it necessary to start shit for no reason?
@@BurgerHospital there's always ONE who has to be a cockwomble.
@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I'm immediately adding Cockwomble to my vocabulary!
I disagree that it wasn’t premeditated. I believe it was. He went to that trail that day to kill someone, he just didn’t know who it was gonna be yet, or if the opportunity would arise.
I agree 100 % ... these girls were just an easy target. He had gone there to kill that day. He is local and probably has killed in the region before. Or even the bordering the states.
I agree..he was holding some things in his jacket, from what I see imo, premeditated for sure...also agree he was looking to do what he did & they happened to be there when he saw opportunity
If the girls hadn't been there, he probably would have killed someone else on the trail that day. This was not a spur of the moment thing. He planned this well in advance. I think a person could also stake out a potential crime scene long before they commit a crime there, and that he could live outside of the area.
Not sure I agree. I think he was comfortable in those kinds of areas and knew the area and those girls happen to be there and he has done this before but didn't premeditate the murders. I don't think he said he would kill whoever randomly walks across this bridge!
Yep.
Father and son (Kline) cat-fishing duo that target underaged girls. Son lures them via social media - Instagram - tells them where to meet - promises them something upon their arrival? Then, son hides "down there", underneath the bridge, while father walks towards them, tells them to "go down there." There, they are killed. Strange how neither killer thinks of taking the girl's cellphone with them. This evidence was left behind for police to find.
With all the dangers now days from the internet all kids need taught in school as a special class about the evilness that’s lurking out there on the internet. I strongly feel the older girl was the one who was communicating with this guy and he played he was the young good looking model. They planned to meet this good looking guy at the bridge. Then seen this old scruffy looking guy come towards them and realized they were scammed and in deep trouble. Girls for one are so vulnerable and trusting. Parents everywhere need to be on top of what your kids are doing!! P.S. There would never be a day in hell I’d let any of my kids walk on that dangerous bridge! It needs to be torn down
Diane Moose ~ I think u r on to something there bout social media that somehow he was able to contact one or both of these girls / or followed one or both on social media !
The killer probably watched this maybe even left a comment. These people watch everything about their crime to relive the excitement and thrill.
LE stated they believe he watches the coverage on their conferences to the public.
Could even be u
@@blackjains5421 more likely you.
@@kayhawkins5925
And if it is?
@@blackjains5421 if it is the self loathing and self hate what drives you. The sense of control over life and death boosts your low self esteem. Taking the life of people who may had made contributions to mankind a low life like yourself is a nothing. The last thought in your mind upon death will be the most depraved thing you did to someone else and that last thought will be your eternal hell which rightfully you deserve. Maybe you escaped justice here on earth yet there is a hell quietly waiting for you.
This is the one case that I can’t stop thinking about. Thank you Dr. Grande!
Came back here because there was a man arrested for kidnapping a 10 year old girl that investigators are looking into & all the characteristics you described, he has. I’ve learned to not get my hopes up when a new person of interest comes up, people will be so certain only for law enforcement to announce they are no longer a POI, but there are some undeniably odd things with this recent guy.
1. The girl he kidnapped was of a similar age as Libby & Abby.
2. He lured her to his house in broad daylight.
2. He lives 20 miles from Delphi.
3. He is an outdoorsman.
4. He alternated between having a job & doing well & being jobless & homeless. This is important because when he was homeless he would often live out of a tent in the woods or under a bridge.
5. On his social media he has several pictures of bridges, trains & old railroad tracks.
I know those are not really concrete indicators of guilt but they are still odd nonetheless.
I believe the Carroll County Sheriff' should check out a guy who worked
at a meat packer, wrote a post on
the anniversary of the murders.He knew
and spoke with Libby German and lives
in Delphi, is part of the Snoeburger Farm
family. He also looks like a sketch I did
after studying the photo of the guy on
the bridge taken by Libby's phone.
"Guys...down the hill" tells me the suspect knew where to direct the girls to maximize his chances of a successful crime. He likely knew the area, and there must've been some shred of DNA evidence left at the crime scene. It baffles me he still hasn't been apprehended despite all the resources, tips, leads and coverage this case has received. Thank for covering this one Dr. Grande.
He took helluva chance on a warmish day in broad daylight to commit the crime..its unbelievable..and he so far has gotten away with it..wow
They've said they have DNA but not what kind or if its a full profile but it sounds like they do have DNA but he's not in the system.. maybe familial DNA will solve it.
DNA cannot not just be used against a person alone they need another piece of puzzle because most killers like to be on the search teams so when they find the body they have an excuse as to why their dna was there. i mean alot of people searched and spat etc... makes you think. i also know this is fact because i study criminology . its a tactic killers do
Yes, there has to be DNA.
@@lesmorris10 And in a small town like that? It’s crazy.
I think this crime was definitely planned. He knew where he wanted to take his victims, and with police saying the scene was weird and there was a lot of evidence he may have even set it up beforehand. Then he just had to wait for suitable victim/s.
💕 These precious girls
That man doesn’t walk or dress like a younger person. My guess would be 40 or more years of age
Yes.I think between 45-60
That’s what I’m thinking too. I feel like I’m looking at a 45-50 year old man. From what I understand, the police have him at 18-40.
@@niax6920 Do You know how did he killed them?Shoot or choke or stabbed?
@@2alexkom No, I don’t. I don’t think the police have released the cause of death 😒
It is Indiana though.
7:23 because it's been alleged that they were "catfished" there, hence the second photo of the perp is actually the image of the "boy" they thought they were communicating with on Snapchat
How do you know that?
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I'm just drinking and reading the comments.
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Weird and sad this was never solved, especially since it’s in modern times
@Derren Mathoera It could be? But I think there should be some hard evidence if it was him. I'm not sure, just not satisfied.
My thoughts exactly. I hope there is a break soon.
60% of all homicides today still go unsolved.
@Derren Mathoera If it was him, the case would have already been closed. They have DNA from the crime scene and they have Paul Etter's DNA. It doesn't match. Otherwise, the police would have claimed him a murderer a long time ago. He was, however, wanted for kidnapping and sexual assault of a woman in Tippecanoe County. That's why he had that standoff.
And especially since they have DNA? Are they sitting on the DNA or have they run it? Also they should be doing a genealogy trace for relatives if this person is not in a national data base of criminals.
Doctor Todd, would you revisit this case now that James Brian Chadwell has been arrested? Thanks Doc
Yes please do
Notice how closely Chadwell fits the profile the doc lays out? Very strange.
It seems to me the cops are covering for someone and know a lot more than they are letting on .
I don't think they are covering for anyone. I think they just want to be able to really prove their case. If they charge him and in court they cannot prove it beyond a reasonable doubt he walks free and they cannot charge him ever again.
I agree with Mr. Norris. The perpetrator had to be protected by LE to be able to get away with this murder. Delphi is in a very corrupt county related to drugs. I am praying that the killer is exposed and everyone who helped hide his identity. May their families have a small measure of peace ✌️
@@lower_y Do you think all LE is protecting him or is it possible there are clueless ones on the case? Just asking because I am hearing more and more about drugs and corruption in that county the more i read.
Keeping information from the public doesn’t mean they’re covering for anyone. It means they’ll be able to charge the person easier when they inevitably do catch him. It means they’ll also be able to eliminate suspects easier.
The FBI flew to Delphi and took an active part in investigating this crime soon after it happened. This is why to me these claims hold no weight. Its not like only local cops have handled this crime. The fbi came in and handled it too. The authorities have released his image and voice. They need to keep some things close to their chest.
This horrible case but needs to be analysed so that people. Can be educated on dangers that world unfortunately has. Thank you for covering this case
Right it’s absolutely true. When have we ever in time seen a possibly person of interest caught on camera and uploaded on a social media platform directly from the victim. That is horrifying
@@lousunny5682 yeah and can you believe with all that that he's still at large ?!! Outrageous, seriously crazy that he's not been caught!
@@lorimiller4301 Lol omg that’s so creepy 😩 rural areas make me feel weird sometimes because you could have people hiding out. Did you see how someone solved the zodiac killer puzzle?
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I did interact with a killer once, or should I say I went to middle and high school with a guy. Was always nice to me, funny yet shy in big groups. Years later he killed a young man who was the object of his then partner's eye...a lust triangle gone wrong. Took his body out to a county forest area and left him. He wasn't found for ages, can't recall how long, but at minimum weeks. The further twist is that the young man's mother who was killed turned out to be my first AA sponsor. Gives me shivers. (She helped me tremendously, been sober since, 37 years!
My very first boyfriend, from 25 yrs ago, he just recently was arrested for killing his estranged wife. Took her out to a secluded, wooded area aNd shot her in the head. Left her there for over a month before she was found.
....creepy as Hell...
Have a large brandy to celebrate your sobriety
@@sean8736 Sorry, it's gonna take more than that to trigger me. I wouldn't suggest saying that to a newcomer though...very empathic of you to weigh in. ❤🕯
@@sean8736 By the way, I just celebrated 39 years.
@@k.ohalloran8758 Very creepy. I will never meet an ex-partner alone. Too many stories, like that!
As an Indiana native that lives a few counties away from Delphi, I appreciate you covering this.
The only details I could find to this day about cause of death or the crime scene was that they were covered in blood, that the bodies were staged, and pieces of clothing were missing. I would of liked to hear your analysis of the mindset of the person based on that.
Also, since you posted this there has been an arrest and I noticed that the man they arrested worked at CVS, was married, had a family, no criminal record, and was totally unassuming. He was hiding in plain sight. But we still know nothing because everything is sealed.
We all try so hard to help catch this Killer. Everyone who has commented or input should be applauded. Going on what evidence we have, it's a huge war on crime really, keeps it active which is important. Let's keep our passion alive were getting there!!! Big Thank you to all who try to help find the missing piece of the puzzle. God Bless you All.
This one is particularly chilling considering that, if the killer is truly a resident of that small town, they seem to be able to carry on without any guilt to make them confess.
Do not expect from mentally ill people (a big chance the killer is one such person) to act normal. Applying sane person's logic to such individuals doesn't make sense.
Choosing not to confess is extremely common amongst serial killers. So that does not make this case exceptional at all.
Dr Grande with the roast. Also, i live in the town that daniel nations lived in. I drove by his house before the killings and that dude mean mugged me to chills. I could see it. But isp dropped the ball fs. These girls deserve justice.
@@jent3802 The dead don't care about justice. Their families and their community deserves peace and to feel secure again.
@@MsFunnybags ok elizabeth. Semantics. But i think we both agree on the need for lawful resolution.
Liberty and Abigael left a trail of their murderer and we still can’t find him. It took too long for Law Enforcement to release his video, somebody would have identified him.
Not to mention it took them years to add “guys” to the “down the hill” audio. It makes me frustrated bc what was the purpose of leaving out “guys”???
Maybe they thought the "guys" was more of an identified use of the term. Coaches, Teachers, someone use to being informal with Children would be more likely to say guys instead of girls ? I don't know thats my guess at the moment 🤔
At this point, they should release a little more details. Cause of death might help. I hope they're not doing the investigation on their own. Seems like they could use a lot of help.
@@lorimiller4301 I thought the exact same thing, or someone who has seen them before
Thought the same thing. Someone’s gate (the way they walk) is a unique characteristic in itself.
There was more recorded.... The one girl saying "He's still behind me isn't he?" And her friend says "Yep". Then one of them says "He has a gun!". He likely used the gun to herd them down the hill to the other side of the creek . The very odd part is how the search parties didn't find them sooner. The timeline is so bizarre.
All rumor.
4 years now ... I have so many observations and questions, I’m in the UK 🇬🇧 and this is the crime that I think about nearly everyday, this case and the Madeline Mc Cann are the two that I am most passionate about .. again great a listen thank you 😊
It’s been 3 years and I still think about this case every other month and do some research to see if there are any new leads or if justice has been served. I’m so sorry for the girls and the family I am hoping and praying this case never gets cold and justice gets served.
And today we have news 📰
Thank you so much. I actually was thinking about this case the other day. I wish they could solve it. So happy that one of the girls made the recording. How scary it must have been for them!
I think this guy knew or knew of these girls. It's unlikely he just happened to run into them outdoors in February. Unless he stalked them before the run in. The sketch without the hat seems to depict a teen or early 20s. As opposed to the sketch with the hat which looks like an older person.
Everyone who harassed the old man who was innocent should be ashamed of themselves now.
I've been through a family member going missing. The despair is unspeakable and its unending.... even after they found her body. Its not just losing them... thats hard. The questions are worse because you know the answers aren't likely to come. Its been fifteen years for my family and its still an unknown. It breaks you in a way nobody else can understand unless you've been through it.
So tremendously sorry for your loved one and your and your family's loss.
@Mimi 78 I understand completely. The questions can drive you insane if you allow them. I pray for PEACE for you. My Father was murdered 3 years ago and every day I wonder what happened. And, you are right. Not many people understand the depths of the pain you feel.
Against the odds, let's have hope that this case will be solved soon 🙏
I hope so to
Perhaps there are people who don't want it solved. Politicians? Law enforcement? Family?
@@maryrockhold8258 next you'll be saying the queen of England is a lizard
What a great analogy!
I imagine they could probably walk about the same distance in the same amount of time.
@@maryrockhold8258 kick rocks...
It would be interesting to get your thoughts on this James Chadwell II guy who was recently arrested for assaulting a 9 year old, looks a lot like the sketches, has a thing for bridges, lives 15 or so mins from Delphi and the police are looking into him in connection with this crime. Even if he's not the guy he's a danger to young children and should be kept in a dark room for the rest of his days imo.
@fbi @InBI
This was revenge murder, aimed specifically at Libby German.
Abby was just unfortunate to be with her.
This is why Libby was stripped naked and staged, while Abby was laid down fully clothed, coffin style.
The small and close knit band of meth heads and cookers that did this did so to exact revenge on Libby's father, Derrick German, who was going to be going to prison for drug distribution, but was let off the hook when he agreed to become a police informant.
One of the men involved, Garret Kirts, 2 years later, murdered his ex-girlfriend by strangulation, which was planned, and did this with 2 or 3 of the others.
He also confessed to the strangulation murder of a man 2 weeks previously, which he was never charged for, due to corruption within the LE system.
He and the girl who was involved in the other girl's murder are each doing 55 and 45 years.
Garret was best friends with BG, and BG is the only one of the bunch that is not incarcerated on any charges.
These all knew that land and Ron Logan's property like the back of their hand, and had grown up going there and partying out there regularly.
The two that i mentioned were murdered by strangulation were most likely killed because there was fear that they were going to come forth to LE regarding what they knew about Libby's and Abby's murders.
Can't wait to see "Dr. Grande (Todd Grande) mental health & personality" when he hits 600k
I want to see which channels he watches - lots of videos on patreon for Dr Grande’s back story.
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(I say that in a non sarcastic tone)
I'd like to see "The Grande Analysis" weekdays at 1pm on ABC!
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Sounds like the police should give a little more info...if they have any to offer...
Usually info they hold back is because it's critical to the investigation. Like, for example, say someone gets shot to death and they don't release info on what type of gun it was, so when they interrogate someone they might slip up and say "I don't even own a .45 cal gun," which basically gives himself away. Albeit, this is a lazy example but you know what I mean.
Police is notorious to mask lack of knowledge by pretending they have it but don't want to share it.
@@84blizzle but in this case I can guarantee they had info that wouldn’t harm the case. It took them YEARS to release the “guys” part of the audio. What was the point in leaving out that one word? There was no need to do that. Now, the rest of the recording might contain graphic stuff where you can hear the violence if they have it, so not releasing that would make sense. I understand leaving out details of the murder and crime scene. I just feel like they failed us by not sharing as much of the recording as they could have. I feel like they might have more recordings. Wether or not that is graphic we will likely never know, but I’m certain they could have done more to help us sooner
@@ticrific I agree 1,000%. Releasing a few more words from the audio recording won't hurt the case. It's basically impossible to recognize someone's voice off of four words alone. It just isn't enough. If it was possible the police would have whoever the killer is in custody already. It's been 3 almost four years and they are no closer to solving it now than they were to begin with. if the killer really is a local like they believe because of how comfortable the killer is walking across the bridge that had gaps in it if they released more of the audio recording everyone in that small town would recognize that voice.
Cops are involved. No one can be as inept as the cops in this case appear.
At first I was upset when he said that the case will probably never be solved, but now that I’m thinking more clearly and objectively, I believe the doctor is correct in his analysis…unfortunately, this case might never be solved, but people will never give up trying to solve this case…
Well… today is the day, Dr. Grande, justice for Abbey & Libby! Hallelujah. ✨
The shenaniganary with the suspect sketches is just infuriating.
And the fact they waited years later to release the “guys” part of “guys, down the hill”. NO POINT IN DOING THAT
@Anna C No no no, it wouldn't have conveyed the full tonality of my displeasure At. All. Nuance and stuff XD
@@SakuraAsranArt I think shenaniganary is my new favourite word...
Infuriated me too.What a huge f....ck up.
It's crazy how detailed the first one released is and how amateurish the second one appears. I mean the second one is pretty good maybe but compared to that first masterpiece artwork I mean what the f____!
Just finished the “Down The Hill” podcast and this video appeared! Perfect timing. Thank you for your insight, Dr. Grande.
It was a great podcast!
@@shelleycarlson6184 yes it was! Very informative and well done.
Time to revisit after a suspect has been recently been arrested and charged.
It’s time to bring in a psychic who has worked with law enforcement before and has aided them in finding the perp.
I'm sure he's hiding in plain sight. If he sees this video perhaps he will make a mistake to reveal himself.
German was smart to take a video/pic and record the voice. Very sad case. Prayers to the girls and their families. 🙏🏼
My thoughts too. She was very brave and quick-thinking to do that.
It's distressing to see the lack of progress on the case.
For her to do that, she had a feeling they weren’t going to make it out of that alive... chilling and so sad. Prayers for the families🙏🏽🙏🏽
Amorphous blob against violence, you just kill me Dr.Grande
DOCTOR GRANDE PLEASE UPDATE please make a video update after the press conference monday!!!!! RICHARD ALLEN WAS ARRESTED IN CONNECTION!!!! if hes not connected to kegan kline then thts the biggest red herring in the history of red herrings
Y’all don’t even know how long I’ve waited for Dr. Grande to cover this. Someone knows who this man is. Let’s get justice for these girls, stop protecting him, he will do it again.
Again, Dr. Grande, you hit the nail on the head.
Looks like police wants to discourage any tips coming in. Thank you for covering this sad case. Hopefully this cold case will one day be solved. 💜
I concur. How can the police have a full snapchat video of the crime, release only the bridge walking incident, yet still haven't found him yet? Libby practically handed their killer over. And had they not given up the search, Abby would've been found alive. She succumbed to her injuries shortly before they were found.
I wonder what the reasoning would be behind that?
@@roxannemoser that's not suspicious to me. Does that snapchat video identify the man? No. I can barely see the facial features on his face
@@roxannemoser I know that diff dates were given for each girl for a day apart. Is there any other fact that would lead you to be the truth? I’m curious.
@@Adam-bq2vw I'm following this case on true crime channels and if I understood correctly they do have a good suspect but nothing is moving forward. It's mind boggling.
How many people are here rewatching this video after a suspect has been put in custody? Finally a break in this case! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I actually don't believe this was a random crime of opportunity though. I believe the suspect knew their families and had a fixation on one or both of the girls to the point that he stalked them and had access to their social media posts somehow as well and took the opening when he knew they were alone for an extended amount of time and the weather was good.
One of the most frightening types of killers, and every parents worst fear!
Thank you for your thoughts!
It's amazing that the poor girl can have made a video of her killer and that the police still haven't been able to catch him. It reminds us, that in some ways, safety is an illusion and that you must always be on guard. Sad but true.
Thankyou so much Dr Grande for looking at this case . Such a tragic and haunting story . Really hope these poor girls and their families get justice 💕💕
I know this video is old but as the case is starting to get more leads I am watching. I wonder why the girls wanted dropped off at that particular spot (the trail)? I wonder if they was meeting someone they met online? It would be extremely coincidental if it was a random person in the same exact spot that murdered them. It was definitely someone who they was meeting and/or someone they knew and knew that the girls would be in this particular location. I hope whoever it is, is found soon and that these young girls get the justice they deserve after all this time 🙏🏻
If I was a parent, I'm afraid I'd be a very over protective one.
I am a parent, and *VERY* overprotective. I hope my kids understand. I just want them to stay safe 🤷🏽♀️
anyone would be irresponsible unless they were. reality requires 24/7 work for 26 years until that frontal lobe develops and sometimes even beyond for late development. Mine is 32 and I am worn down. Live your life happily without them.
It's really sad about the 5% solve rate of cold cases not to mention the 20% conviction rate of those.
Our justice system fails so many families of victims and victims themselves 💔
What's the % of cold case solution when cops have the killer's DNA?
Yep. And a case can go cold in just a few hours; tired of the police and their stupidity. Listen to the audio of the suspect. You can clearly hear one of the girls shouting "I....said.....no!" Did the police hear it too? That's evidence that the suspect previously made contact with them. How could they miss that? Listen to it right after the suspect says, "Guys."
@@southbeachmiamiart895 The cops are the ones who muted the I said no so as to not upset the families further. Funny that I never heard it until a month ago when another commenter pointed it out. Now I can't unhear it.
I *strongly* believe those statistics will change given the advances in forensic science regarding DNA like forensic genealogy or just new technology. Especially with new equipment like the M-Vac which can extract touch DNA from porous or previously submerged evidence -- which could be useful in this case given the location but let's hope and pray LE didn't drop the ball when it came to preserving evidence.
I always think about how scared these girls must've been to be all alone out there on that bridge! How heartbreaking for the families! I pray that justice will be served in our lifetime!
Really felt bad for Ron Logan. Seems like a good man that has been caught up in this horrible crime because they were found on his property.
this is my pet case! i just can't let it go.. so, so awful. i really hope this will be solved with modern dna technology.
Same here! I have my own theory and its driving me nuts.....I just want them to finally catch this guy.
@E White which ones the killer
@E White you know what....usually these comments are bull, but I just took a look at Ellis...really isn't a bad guess.
What’s everyone’s theories and poi?
Hard to let go when she left this video and audio for us to catch this person! SHE KNEW HER CHANCES WERE POOR.
One from my home state!! Very sad and baffling case. Someone somewhere has to recognize that man. My heart breaks for their families. Great video dr!
They have finally made an arrest today
I’m from around here and it’s still shocking to think it hasn’t been solved. Thank you for the analysis