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A very smart man said “The wrong oil is still better than no oil”
Ya I think I heard it a time or two. John Deere low vis in my trucks power steering has proved to be a good substitute.
Says Peg as he throws motor oil in the transmission
Zipties
@Basedand Chadpilled Very true.
He who is without oil shall throw the first rod. - Lubrications 2. 13
I like the idea of finding a truck at a junkyard and bringing it to Notre Dame truck pulls!!
Bet Rich and team will add a few "modifications" to make it pull all the better! :)
@@emilschw8924 “quad turbos has entered the chat”
I've been doing this with motorcycles my whole life going back to high school. It's great because it's not a ton of money to do it and not only do you get the fun and satisfaction of saving a bike but you can flip it for a decent amount of money. Obviously your time is money but if you're having fun it's not work, you're literally getting laid to have fun
It really should be a Canada vs. USA reality show!
Remember, its the internet: Everyone's an expert
As a youtube comment expert , it's very true
We should probably check with the fact checkers on this, they know best. Praise our government leaders for loving us so much! Amen
@@mikehunt8375 ???? do you not get it
Comments are my expertise.
@@waheeddoesstuff lol.. well you obviously don't. bwhahaa.
I kind of suspected a rod bearing(s) or a broken cylinder liner or 2 when you were trying to get it cranked up. My guess is someone ran it out of oil before the last owner got it. When a Detroit *QUITS* leaking oil, you better check it and add a few gallons!! Probably salvage the trans. and the diffs, etc. and scrap the rest. Better luck on the next one!😁
Why does everyone on the internet talk about 'Detroits' as if 95% of Detroits out there aren't 4-strokes?
@@Senkino5o Maybe because the original GM/Detroit engines *WEREN'T* 4 stroke?😉
@Senkino5o 95% aren't actually they made 2 strokes for over half of detrotis existence and even in the 4 a stroke era the 2 strokes where being made for other applications the last Detroit before the dd series was the series 60 the series 50 iirc was a rebrand.
@@jdrok5026 were the 2 strokes reliable powerplants for long distance trucks ,only just discovered these existed and im curious
It was nice meeting Memphis! Shame about the two stroke, but it is what it is. Making that thing pull worthy is definitely a fools errand
But it would sure be a great send-off.... KABOOMY
Who would have thought...wasn't the Decepticons that got Optimus, it was hantavirus.
22.5 dayton wheels go directly onto 20 split rim hubs. Did it many times.
I don't think there's really any difference in the center rings, because it's the rim and wedges where they align to on both. Either way, I'd retrofit the hubs regardless to hub centric. Doing inboard drums is a pain in the ass.
@@JosephArata Why change the hubs? A 22.5 tubeless rim will go right on a Dayton Spoke hub.
Go get one of those 16v92 from the tug boats at the scrap yard 😹
Dude in his prius what the fuck
Thanks for helping me discover Vice Grip Garage in the episode where you finished rebuilding the Pontiac engine in a motel room. Derek is a hoot and every time he says, "too much -- PERFECT!" -- it makes me smile. Between Derek and AvE I've learned several new undocumented languages in my mature years. Thanks to Rich, Aaron and the rest of the crew. Don't forget Marlene!
I find myself using "well HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS" unnervingly often nowadays. :)
At the end of the day it's always best too know when you just need too move too the next project
The old widomakers are banned in Nova Scotia. $10k fine per rim IIRC. However, if you want to convert the spoke wheels over, you can just use standard dayton rims which take a modern 22.5" or 24.5" tire. As for comming apart, back in the 80's the owner's shop was doing one in the shop and the ring embedded itself into the ceiling, and they never could get it down.
God Canada sucks way too many bs laws 🤣🇺🇸
Oil is oil
It's a Detroit it's going to leak out eventually
have 30k hrs on the 6-71 in my work boat, ran nothing but waste oil of all kinds and 15-40. after 50 years its just now getting replaced.
@Captain Sandwich Agreed . Better yet Id love to see how long they could keep my shop running and my customers happy 🙂
I bought a fleet of 8V92TTA powered trucks in 1979. I ran Rotella straight 40 ONLY! We dropped the rods and mains at 675,000 on our test engine which was our first addition to the fleet, and the bearings had very minor traces of copper showing. the DDA dealer in Memphis was so impressed that they sent the bearings and an oil sample to DDA corporate for evaluation.
That one has the perfect look, cab overs have always been my favorite.
We need a squarebody chevy build on this channel for sure👍
He can help me fix my 96 s10 its got a 5 speed trans and a 4.3l v6
I justbought two a 1981 1/2 ton with a 5.7 diesel, and a 1985 c70 Kodiak with a v8 CAT, Allison, disc brakes, and a two speed rear. (find a western rust free Kodiak, mine was spec'd for plow use and looks like a tonka, they rock.)
Oh, so you're going from your 30 second forklift to you 32nd forklift?
I remember being trained on split rims. Holes in block walls was our safety reminders.
None of those bulging tire cages came that way from the factory. My dad told me of one mechanic in the motor pool at Ft. Richardson, in Anchorage that wasn't using a cage (they weren't that common in the early 1950s). One of those Dayton wheels came apart and cut him pretty much in half. No one in that shop ever forgot... that was an expensive training session!!
You can also get conversion wheels so you can mount regular 11r22.5 tires on those axles. We used to do that all the time. Ive also changed hindreds of split rims over the years. The biggest thing is that if there is any rust on them that they get thrown away.
I Learned to Drive a big rig in one of those GMC cabovers brings back memories thanks for the videos I'll keep watching
My dad almost bought a chevette for 80 bucks just to drive it into a tree with his friends.
This is a suggestion.
But then they sobered up?
@@isaaclowe7212The next day some guy bought a door off the car for 65$ instead of buying the whole car to save $15.
@@kingofthepod5169 LMAO!!!
There's actually a specific type of split rim that's called a "Widowmaker" They still make split rims for road trucks, they're not illegal or banned or anything of the sort.
A "Widowmaker" wheel is a wheel where the "split" is in the CENTER as opposed to one edge. THOSE wheels are no longer made, and are (technically) "banned"
I've been doing tires for over 2 decades and in that time have only come across an ACTUAL "Widowmaker" wheel once. If you ever see one in person, you can understand their danger.
On a more common split wheel, you can inspect the lock ring from a (relatively) safe position as you begin to air it up. With a centersplit wheel, you have to get down and put your easily detachable skull in the blast zone. And THAT is how widows were made.
Give Finnegan a call - he has a fairly out-of-control truck-buying habit; He's bound to have something lying around that his missus will thank you for relieving him of!
4:29 technically, the split ring isn't the widowmaker, the R-H5 style is. It's the one that the 2 sections lock together in the center. Here's a vid that explains it. czcams.com/video/BuFaNv9y29c/video.html . of course the lock ring wheel can be dangerous too, and any large truck wheel should be inflated in a safety cage
Thank you, now I don't have to say that lol
I've got a 1930 Packard with the lock rings. They don't make me as nervous as the other style but I'm not exactly thrilled when i need to mess with them.
How about after they are inflated? An inflated wheels means everything is seated an no need to worry?
@@Dancing_Alone_wRentals I think they're pretty safe at that point.
I wrote a whole dang essay of a comment before seeing this one, but yeah. This. 👍
I love my split rims!!! Super easy to change a tire and tube. Ive never had a problem with my split rims and ford used them at least till 94. My shop is across from a tire shop that does a lot of split rims and never heard of them having a problem
Polish that journal up still in the truck with some shoelace and sandpaper (or whatever your preferred sketchy method is) and throw a new bearing on it. All you have to lose is an hour and the cost of a bearing. Totally worth it to blow it up in grand fashion at the truck pull rather than whimpering its way to the scrap yard.
Major props to wearing SWAG from other CZcams Channels
Spotted the VGG hat!
Very interesting 'facts' on what oil to run in A Detroit 2stroke!
There are thousands of Detroit's in military usage and all we used was 15/40 in them.
Never caused a problem.
Gotta love 'opinions'!
Split Rims no longer in use... Toyota says hold my beer and has never stopped running them on the landcruiser ute
Not anymore actually, current models don't have split rims, not for the last couple of years or so.
But they use two piece rims, they're a lot less dangerous.
There are lots of 2 stroke Detroit's where I work with 10s of thousands of hours on them all running 15w40.
Years ago we had a rim go through the ceiling of our shop smh. It was chained in a cage and still managed to get away. Those old 2 and 3 piece rims are not worth the risk for any reason. Enjoy your content.
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I had a few trucks with em on the farm. Changed tires for years, until I saw a a circle cut out (filled in/patched) in the local coops wall, (limestone wall btw), where one blew and cookie cuttered thru stone. Now I say new style wheels are a way better idea.
Bought a silver 92 in 82 ran 1540 rotella in it till 88 bout 700'000miles. No leaks drips or errors was a fine engine
Every old detroit ive ever seen ran 15w40 in it and thats what we put in them at the dealer. We even had a customer that had a silver 92 in his dumptruck and he had well over a million on it had been rebuilt twice. It was the first truck he bought for his business and said he wouldnt part with it or trade anything for it. Those motors are tough to kill but got pricey to rebuild.
Love the outfit Rich, repping those legends at the skid factory and vice grip 💪👍
so you have shown us many times the process of removing stuff from V and R i think this truck will allow you to show us the process of dropping it off at V and R lol
Would love to see you guys go to Notre-Dame-du-Nord!
i had a 70 Chevy super camper with split rims. Luckily i owned my own service station so i did them myself. Never had a problem with them. After a couple of years i got rid of them and went to American Racing mags. (it had a hopped up 327 i got from a trashed corvette. Used to kick the crap out of the berretta pace cars back in the 90's)
15w/40 isnt wrong for an engine for which SAE 40 is prescribed: In the operator manual of my 1967 tractor it says SAE 10 or SAE 20 in winter and SAE 40 in summer. The very same engine 15 years later, 15w/40 is prescribed in the manual...
And guess what ? 1980s multigrade 15W/40 oil ticks both boxes, its thin in winter temperatures, and thicker in summer temperatures! Now all you have to do is change your spiked winter tires for your summer tires when the weather changes, not change your oil too !
Oh well, i dont have to tell you that: you were just being nice to all the internet experts 😄👌
Optimus Brine would make a sweet toy hauler….just thinking out loud
I would donate to this if you decided to crowdfund it
"Ran when parked" 🤣
ran when parked,,yes i did,got the hell outa there..
"MY Face isn't too dirty?"
Hell no
I don't normally feel fond of trucks but i love this
Win some, loose some.
They can't all be in great shape when parked.
Love the Skid Factory T shirt 👌
I live aboot 20 mins from the guys in Queensland.
That plow truck idea would be pretty cool. Then maybe put a car hauler body on the back to haul projects around?
The V series 2 Stroke Detroit’s as a rule need there rod/main bearings checked and or replaced around every 100,000 miles because compared to the inline 6-71 there surface area is rather small. That said finding a decent Cab Over cab these days is getting pretty hard to find. The good news is finding good running 2 stroke Detroit’s at a good price is a still pretty easy and R & R a engine in that truck is not all that hard especially compared to say a Combine. The problem with the frame is a condition know as Rust Jacking unfortunately back in the 1990’s when that first started to occur on that truck no one split the frame sand blasted it and smeared rustoleum all over the cleaned metal. Before you scrape that truck you might want to post it for sale especially after the borders open up because there is a lot of interest in Cab Overs right now. That said you might want to contact TwinSticks or Gentry and Sons to see if they are interested in that truck as is.
See I'm thinking, sell the cab over er cab, to reimburse some of the cost of the truck. And rebuild the engine as an "in between job"
Get the crank reground as an also "in between" (machinist) job
If the rods/bores pistons rings all check out ok?
Is it not worth trying?
Just wait until some experts find out I've got rotella 15w40 in my jetski, lawn mower, ford 4.6, ATV, weedeater, generator, as well as my diesels, along with a mountain of rental jetskis that have thousands of hours of runtime on nothing but rotella t4 15w40.
The cab that the that truck is still cool looking. You could do it cheap by just putting it on one of those old bus chassis and shortening it. But sometimes it is just not worth fixing some stuff.
At least you have a sense of humor about the oil-viscosity issue....but yeah, that old Astro is beyond salvation aside from perhaps the transmission and some cab-specific items for another Astro project.
Haha, "widowmakers"! We just called those spoke wheels. We used to balance them by putting a tire hammer on the ground next to the tire, spinning the wheel to see where it was sticking out more (which we would determine by seeing which sector of the tire came closest to the tire hammer as it was spinning) and then tightening with an impact wrench.
Junk Yard finds prove to be most fun challenging.
Rockin the skid factory merch al an woody will love that
I have a 69 Ford 850 super duty fire truck. It is a pumper truck with an 1100 gal tank. Everything was restored back in the mid 90’s and runs great. It has a 477 gas’s engine with a 4 spd trans. Lost storage.. can be made road legal with ease.
One of our engines in my dept has a Detroit in it, it gets Napa filters and 15/40 rotella every oil change, same as all the other trucks. We've had it for about 10 years, have run it hard with no issues
i used to work at a trucking shop in portland oregon usa and im glad im out of there so i dont have to work on widow makers anymore
Thanks for the safety knowledge on the widow maker tires. I'm pretty impressed on the way you handled the Optimus brine.......thank you and I like your hat and your good spirit.
ive used 15-40w in my 8v powered Kenworth for yrs and so did the previous owner. Meh, some weight is better than no weight.
In my 74 Peterbilt back in 76 or so I put Chevron Delo 400 15/ 40 weight in Detroit. 8v92. Still use it in my old cars and trucks with V8 motors I even have it in my huge compressor
Unfortunately the 2 stroke diesel retirement program began when the Series 60 was introduced and Optimus Brine's bearings looked like they ran for a while before finally letting go, but still runs. In '89 a logger asked me to do a bearing roll in on an 8 v 92. I told him it needed a line bore, new rods, and a new crank before I could do the bearings. He asked me to emery cloth the journals, roll in some 20 over bearings and he'd see what happens. The truck was a mountain, rough road, short haul transport, just for shuttling logs out of rough terrain. That truck ran 50 weight gear oil in the engine and out lasted 3 newer trucks and was still running in 2010, but was shut down by emissions because someone turned him in. I do not recommend that type of repair for numerous reasons, safety being of severe concern because if the engine seizes you could loose all control. This gentleman was an old school logger who drug logs with mules until he could afford to buy his first machine, very different times.
Those old engines leak like crazy, but just keep running, even after the bearings are gone.
Too bad about OB, definitely a noble effort.👌
Here in Brazil these first axle drive tires are called Firestone super conquering, they are very good👍🇧🇷
Skid Factory shirt. I see you're a man of culture as well. It was just recently when I started watching this channel that I realized that Al and Woody had visited for some tips on diesel engines as Al worked on his conversion to a Cummins. :D
Sorry bud. That’s a rough break. Off to V&R she goes!
The rh 5 wheel is the widow maker. Split ring wheels are used in America to this day on old trucks. Mostly chassis though. Steer tire split rings are a no no. The frame situation is a no go here also. Parade truck / antique truck should be OK. No trailers . I worked for iloca in Illinois and MBT for years on trucks and trailers. I'm excited for this build. Vvg brought me here. Good luck with this. I'm subscribed now.
Man the notre dame truck pulls are my childhood. Was there very often they are sweet. Would be sick to see you out there.
We had one of these widowmaker rims blow up in the tire shop I worked in 20 years ago. it was on ly a 16.5" rim, and it still sounded like 100 12ga shotguns going off at once. The guy who was working on it came back to work just the previous week after being out for several months from getting his hand mangled by a bolt-together forklift wheel that he forgot to deflate before disassembly.
A C-15 is the same block as a C-18, crank rods and cylinder packs, plus injectors. Can be done, but Cat is the most expensive to work on/play with.
Best wishes from Northern Manitoba.
It would be so nice to restore that truck, it has so much charm and looks awesome. Give it a new life, I would love to see that.
Hate to admit it, but I didn’t question it when you said it was nuts in the engine oil.
Seen too much crazy stuff in oil pans 😂
The difference in the rims you were describing is the difference between tubeless and tube type. Tube type are the widow makers as you called them.
Super mechanic puppy is on da jobz
Keep it up legends 🤘
She's pretty awesome
You don’t hear of people swapping Detroit’s into a newer chassis, I think it would be awesome if y’all did that. Turn er up boyss!!!
What a barking shame. Meow on that.
OTOH it is good finding out some issues before spending a wad of dough on it... Was really an interesting watch, thanks for sharing! :)
We had one of the old heads at our diesel shop get decapitated by a split rim. Definitely at your own discretion
You cant let it die after tempting it with salvation like that!!...poor old truck thought it had been saved and now its just gonna be led back to the field by another owner :( This was the project i was most excited for. I think you should fix it as cheap as possible and at least give it a chance to try for you!
On split rims: a buddy of mine LIVED by the way of backing the nuts off until just a few threads remain, then breaking the rim free and finishing the past couple turns to fully separate them
That's any dayton style rim. Whether it's a split rim or tubeless.
oil is oil, if it lubricates well enough, it doesnt matter what weight it does, so long as it can (older engines have larger gaps than newer engines because of wear and tear, so heavier weight oil can be used, and usually is because of reduction in it being pushed through areas its not normally supposed to)
when in doubt: oil is better than dry, oil is better than water, dry is better than water
Try and find another Detroit diesel! We love those motors!
Lets go big, Diy polish the crank throw some bearings in go for gold at a tractor pull like a lot of older well built stuff it will probably go until you really rip it apart or fusion weld it haha
Back in the 80s at a place called Deford’s in Hastings, FL a guy got his arm blown off from one of those widow maker wheels. The rumor is they found his arm on the restaurant’s roof next door.
we ran 15/40 in our oshkosh trucks rebuilding the gardener express way and one of them checked out because of it lol
Early 92s were known to spin bearings from liner o-rings leaking coolant into the pan, although that's not necessarily what happened here. I bare-blocked several 6v and 8v 92s as a dealership mechanic in the early 80s, both under warranty and as customer pay.
I wish no truck had to die.
Fords should die
Scrapping it to become something else is the best thing you can do with it 🤣
Done hundreds of those wheels and tyres.... Never an issue... Just keep your mind in it...
I would just order some super cheap replacement bearings.. put them back on there and see how long you can push it until it spins it again.. Sometimes they spin because they are so worn down, and if you have a new/ thick set put in there-- you can get some more life out of it-- more than you might think. I wouldn't do this for over-the-road use.. but for tractor pulls, it would be a fun little experiment.
Was great you attempted & succeeded in getting it running. It’s a shame that the previous owners didn’t use the right oil & wrecked some rod bearings. I like the idea of a pulling truck. Keep searching the scrap yards. & use the F tree kitty to trailer it. But please stay on the cab over Detroit road. Mega cool points!
Good Ole Dayton rims they still use in rail chassis
1960 Champion 562C. Split rims on that thing are fun lol. Think truck tires, but way bigger and just as much pressure.
A Prime ramp truck would be awesome!
Right on!
Last year I was changing oil on one of our welding rigs on the slope, powered by a CLAPPED OUT C7. Pulled the plug and what did I find? (Besides shavings,) a busted off 1/16 drill bit! Showed it to the mechanic, he said they hadn’t opened the engine up since the last 500 hr service. It must have gotten into one of the oil cans. That POS burns a lot of oil and smokes like a chimney when its less that 30°F. Damn thing wont die tho. It has a dead skip until it gets up to temp!
use your MIG welder to build up a bead on the crank and rod caps, chuck it in the lath one part at a time so the new bearings fit. and yes after welding the rod caps and lathing them you'll need the hydraulic press to snap the caps off. 1/16 inch pentation welds, not that much to do. can do the same thing with the engine block on the lath but it has to have a table that can move a 400lb chunk of iron. could do it with a hand file or rotary tool, $15/hr for sweeping an already cleaned floor.
its great having a youtube channel that is very local to me :D
We always ran mystic 15w40 in our 16v149 1800hp Detroit and it never really had a problem with it at all. It was one of the most reliable frac pumps we had. The only thing it would do is eat turbos every now and then, but I believe the cause of the was running the pump at idle for 30 to 45 minutes and 18 to 20 psi oil pressure and then go straight into a load at 1900 rpm. Lol that is no good for a turbo in the long run. Lol other than that, ours ran great with 15w40 in it. So in the long term, the 15w40 may hurt it with the turbo issue, but I don't believe any turbo will last forever when it glows at full load for 8 hours straight at 2000 rpm. Lol
You actually found a windshield for this? You ought to get me the number of your glass guy, I need a windshield for mine.
Widow maker rims are centre split split rims. The old Dayton’s are a 10.00 hundred split rims there are lots of split rims but widow makers were banned in like the seventies. 22.5 are the same as a 10.00 by 20 inch.
Bummer on the spun bearing. To the scrapper you go!
Love those Gm Detroit got two 6v71 completely rebuilt still deciding what to do to them.
That steering colum though!! It looks cartoonish but its likely comfortable to lean on. I never got a chace to drive an astro. I think theyre great looking old trucks. That frame is nutz!!
That is one awesome t-shirt! lol
Wow. I thought you were perfect. Thanks for all the great videos. 😊
MOST modern lifting equipment tires are solid pneumatic and require a big press to install. Still dangerous and I fortunately don't have to mess with them.