Why Panasonic UB9000's HDR Optimiser is Such A Killer Feature
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- We explain and demonstrate why the [HDR Optimiser] function on the Panasonic UB9000/ UB820/ UB420 4K UHD Blu-ray players is such a killer feature, extracting the best picture quality from 4K Blu-rays for most displays.
Note that the level to which the feature performs the tone-mapping is controlled by the [HDR Display Type] settings in the player menu. [HDR Optimiser] can only be applied to HDR10 (the majority of 4K Blu-ray titles) & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata.
This majority of this video is filmed using the Blackmagic Design Pocket Cinema Camera 4K (BMPCC 4K) to capture higher dynamic range.
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Note: [HDR Optimiser] can only be applied to HDR10 & HLG content, and not to HDR10+ & Dolby Vision discs which already benefit from dynamic metadata.
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So the Optimiser has no effect on regular Blu ray or sd dvds? Does it have any use with a Netflix app on the UB 9000 if it is displaying 4K material?
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Can they update the xbox one x to do the same?
I know this is an old video but I just got myself an 820 and the difference between it and the X700 and PS5 I was using is staggering.
Thanks for the review, I am thinking of upgrading from my X700 as well after getting a QN90B since Sony doesn't process HDR10+. With most 4k movies with Dolby Vision only, I think the HDR Optimizer could be very valuable with a Samsung display.
same as well
This is the best explanation of hdr tone mapping you will ever see
This guy is amazing, he reveals all issues from new tech that i would spot and the average retail seller would not.
It's very good.
Um, we love shenanigans. Please do not deprive us of such ongoings in the future.
He made his entire house into a dungeon except for the wall he films this. Sex dungeon.
Shenanigans is an underused word. I approve of it’s use here
@@reggietelly like when I was working in India, they kept saying 'no Hankey pankey' which had me in stitches.
@@Androidonator Dweeb.
Absolutely criminal that you don't have more subs and views especially on vids like this! Great job as always!
This was so helpful. Ordered 820 today. Thanks for the video.
Awesome, competent and straightforward demo and explanation!
Thanks for another informative video, Vincent!
The auto dynamic tonemapping done by the player is indeed awesome, it's really amazing how it manages to analyze the picture and tonemap only what needs to be tonemapped from each frame without touching the overall APL. Panasonic strikes again!
Now comes the million dollar question: will we see this killer feature within the Panasonic OLED's menu? I'm mainly interested in the 2019 range but I'm sure others will like to know if previous models may receive a software update including this feature.
Thanks so much for this video! I have an Optoma projector and a Sony X700 player and had been contemplating on buying the 420 or 820 only because of the optimizer. You saved me a few headaches by indicating that those options for projectors are only on the 9000.
Wow... Thank you very much for this useful informations. You are the best !
A brilliant explanation of how the Panasonic works and the benefits of tweaking settings on both the TV and the player to get the best experience
Please keep posting, very informative
Nicely explained. It makes a change for a feature to just work with the press of a button without degrading something else.
Just revisiting this excellent video after playing with the settings on my LG CX and the UB820.
It's true that the Panasonic optimizer even now in 2021 has better handling of tone mapping on HDR10 than the LG CX in my experience. I turned off the dynamic tone mapping on the CX and enabled the optimizer on the UB820 and got fantastic results.
Thanks Vincent for an excellent video.
I love the optimizer, and i am using cinema home hdr pre-set on my cx, but i find it looks better with dynamic tone mapping on, on my cx, when i disable it, the whole scene darkens, or is that how it should be ?
There is soo much to learn, you are explaining well... just wonder how your demos are in person
Wow! This is impressive! Hopefully other manufacturers will follow process!
Thanks so much my panasonic 820 can now feed my new LG 810 projector 500 nits and now HDR is sorted really useful information thanks Vincent:)
Thank you so much for this video.I have a 77 inch Sony a80j and just got the panny 820 yesterday.I think following your guidance here will give me a great viewing experience with my 4k uhd movies.Appreciate your videos and I just subscribed.
Excellent tutorial..
Love your videos!!! I especially love the wagyu beef analogy. I remember the first time I had wagyu, it was Miyazaki. After eating that, I started comparing everything to the beef. “If I don’t buy this amp, how much wagyu could I get‽” 😂
Brilliant. Thank you Vincent. Mine is sitting in a box waiting to be plugged in. Lots of love from Sprinkles, Chris and Crystal xx
I am playing around with this and to be honest this tone mapping looks better than DV. Will continue to play around with it.
Great video, thanks. Question: if you enable HDR Optimiser will it remain on at all times, even when changing disc? Or do I need to enable it each time I watch a disc?
Ahhhhh Mr Vincent you good man keep up your hard work ✔👍
Excellent (and fun) explanation of a, indeed, killer feature. Actually, as the owner of an Epson EH-TW9300W, this was the final nudge I needed to buy this player. Cheers! :^)
This is why I subscribe to this guy 12:15, look at the difference in the flames. I was about to buy a Sony UBP 700 yesterday as I have a Sony AG8 tv and StrDn 1080 receiver only to switch last minute to the Panasonic DP-UB820EBK. I can't wait for it to come now.
I love your videos! I have a Calman Calibrated LG C9 and the UB820, should I be using HDR Optimiser on top of Dynamic Tone Mapping (included in the calibration)?
Fantastic video. Very thorough and well-explained. I wonder, for TVs like the Sony X950H which only has player-led Dolby Vision, is the HDR optimizer on the Panasonic players the answer to get the very best DV possible out of discs? I currently have the Sony X800M2 player and I don’t think it has this type of feature.
Thank you for this very interesting video. Would you recommend to activate the Tone mapping option on a LG C9 when watching TV or Netflix directly from the TV (it is clear that it must be disabled when watching bluray with the UB9000 or UB820). Thanks for your help !
Hello, one more question about video projectors and HDR optimizer please : is the “basic luminance lcd” option on the ub 820 (500 nits) is that much different from the “Basic luminance projector” (350 nits) on the 9000 ? Or will it be very subtle? Thanks again for your work and for your answer.
Another question:
Does this function do anything on Panasonic OLEDs? Theoretically player and TV should apply Panasonic tonemapping and there shouldn‘t be a difference, right?
Love my ub820, great player
Me too!
Hdr optimizer is amazing feature! Game consoles need this for hdr games and movies
Im using the HGIG HDR setting when in Game mode on my Lg C9, then setting the peak HDR in the games settings. So much better and realistic rather than washed out games. I started to worry that my c9 was worse than my Old KS8000 Sammy for gamming. But yes more is to be done for HDR in gamming. Some games dont need it.
Simon Maguire so you disable peak brightness for gaming mode to off for HDR?
Anyone know if the optimiser stays on when you've switched it on when playing an HDR disc or do you have to switch it on manually each time a new disc is loaded?
Great video Vincent. Would you think it is better to set the player to output SDR BT2020 rather than HDR BT2020 when paired with a projector like the Epson HC5040UB? I keep hearing that SDR BT2020 is better for projectors since they can’t get close to the nits needed for HDR even with the player set to low light output projectors in the settings.
Thanks for sharing this video Vincent,i have the Panasonic UB820,do you remember the Sony DVP S735 dvd Player i really loved this dvd Player have you ever seen one before.
How does this feature work with the LG C7 active HDR? It’s my understanding that the C7 active HDR was a different approach than the current dynamic tone mapping found on the C8/C9. Would it be best to use both the hdr optimizer on the player and the active hdr setting on the C7?
The colors are dull and washed out when I turn the HDR on . Why is this happening ? Panasonic DP-UB420 connected to a Philips 436M6 hdr monitor . Can someone please help me ?
Cool video. I own the sony x950g. I believe the peak luminance of my tv is about 1250 nits. Should I set the player's "TV Type" setting to "Medium to High Luminance (1000 nits)" or "Super High Luminance (1500 nits)"?
I use the Optimizer on my 75q9fn, and yes there's a difference with 4000 nit content.
Will the optimizer work if being passthrough a receiver like the Denon 6500? Or does it need to be wired directly to the tv.
Got to respect a man who prefers to keep his "shenanigans" on the down low.
It's a shame that the Optimiser induces some slight posterisation (which I noticed even when using the Optimiser with a 1000-nit UHD that didn't need tone mapping, i.e. the mapping itself didn't change but some banding was introduced) but then I can smooth it out with the Smooth Gradation on Low on my ZD9. For content that's been encoded well enough then it's slight enough not to notice, but for stuff that's already a bit more fragile e.g. the bright sky in the final shot of Exodus on UHD disc then it can make it look worse.
Looking forward to seeing how it works on the zd9
Can you do a video on the proper use of RGY and B buttons on the remote? Thanks
@HDTVTest What demo disk and scene are you using for this demo (actors with sun behind them)? Thanks
Hi HDTVTest under HDR Display Type on the Panasonic DP-820 I have a Samsung Q90R TV which would I select for my Qled tv?
Excellent excellent excellent video... on a side note my mrs bought my UB9000 from Richer Sounds Sheffield and I do use them for cables etc for my high end audiophile hifi setup. So I've switched on the optimiser on my 9000 and watched Warcraft in 4k DV, yes I can see the difference... in the bright areas how much it retains detail, wow what a difference... Thanks for the tip. Great video and you have inspired me to put a background onto my setup page... now to see if my mrs will let me lay our neighbours wife across our bed while get that perfect snap shot 😂😂😂 just kidding.. or am I...🤣🤣🤣
Vince we need a full vid when you can about this player... there is much I'm yet too learn about the best way to run this unit hooked up to my LG B755v keep doing what you do...
Would this feature be beneficial when used in conjunction with jvc nx9 auto tone mapping? Or is that redundant and detrimental?
RS Manchester, Deansgate is my local too!
Is the hdr optmiser utilized during usb playback? And also is there much difference in playback between the 3.0 and 2.0 usb ports? I have the Panasonic dp-ub420p thanks
Do you recommend the DP-UB420 for a basic luminance projector? does it have those same options?
I’ve noticed that the UB-9000 has a high luminance projector option and the UB-820 does not, is this significant for people that own an HDR projector, or will the existing settings on the 820 serve?
Is the calibrator option bot in the ub820 make a substantial difference in picture for an oled?
Hello Vincent,
Thanks for the excellent video. How do you compare the Panasonic ub9000 to the Magnetar 900 and Reavon 200 in 2023? Thans in advance for your input !
Hi.
I'm using an Epson 2250 projector (2700 lumens, 1080P resolution).
When playing a 4k movie, which Panasonic (ub420) setting do you think would look better:
1. Panasonic set to 1080P output (let the Panasonic process the picture)
2. Panasonic set to 4k (4:4:4) output (the Epson would have to downconvert the 4k to 1080P).
I would think the first option looks the best.
So would this apply to a tv like the a80j? On the a80j gradation preferred is used by default for HDR. Can the Panasonic HDR optimizer be used with the gradation preferred?
So if you have the UB820 and want to use it with a projector which of of the options do you go with? Basic Luminance LCD?
What are the best settings on this for the Q90R
Looks great. I hope Panasonic returns to the US market.
afaik this Panasonic player is available from Value Electronics in the US and BestBuy (Magnolia) carries the step down 820 model.
@@blurayffan66 If I may ask.. I just bought the Samsung Q900R 8k TV and am looking at the DP-UB820.. what is the downside of it from the UB9000? I don't know the difference.. also the 8k has peak brightness of 3k Nits
@@M1H4D I don't actually own either player I am afraid so unable to answer your question.
I have the lg c7 oled. Through my Sony X700 uhd player, when I play dolby vision content, it is quite dark and/or has little if any peak highlights. When I turn off dolby vision in the X700 and force hdr, the highlights come back to a large extent. So being that the X700 doesn't tone map dolby vision, what's the solution to make that mode come through currently? Just only use hdr10?
So if I understand correctly...with my LG B9 I would be better to use the Basic luminance LCD setting rather than OLED setting?
@HDTVTest Are you sure that the picture looks more realistic? I've tried this feature myself, and I'm not convinced. If you stare into a spotlight, do you really see that much details in the light, or are you blinded (i.e. are the details blown out?)? I am worried that the HDR optimizer takes away the punch of explosions, lights etc. How would the sane content be represented on a Dolby Pulsar? What are your thoughts?
Is the HDR Optimizer another name for Tone Mapping? I’m trying to turn off the Tone Mapping feature in my Panny 820 as I’ve just updated my Firmware on a JVC NX7 and the Tone Mapping on the Panny is no longer need. Any help is appreciated.
What about if I have JVC N7. Will this help more ? Cause option already has it on jVC ? Thanks
Hi Vincent. Keep coming back to this video as it's so good and informative. It's such a shame that the 820 does not have as many options and only the 9000 has all of them. One question I have, if you get the player and set the dynamic tone mapping on the player, should you disable it on the display (as the panasonic's is better) or have both? I'm going to get a new projector and have been looking at the Benq W2700 (it needs to be fairly short throw because of the size of the room). The W2700 has a dynamic iris and I'm wondering whether having the tone mapping on the Panasonic set to 'basic luminence projector' will mean that the iris is engaged less (because the peak brightness exceeds the capability of the projector less) or whether the dynamic iris will not be that clever and engage the same amount, therefore potentially robbing the picture of even more dynamism. It seems like potentially a match made in heaven, because the reviews for the W2700 I've seen praise the performance for the money, but a lot of them say the picture is a bit dim when receiving hdr and using the dynamic iris (a bit like your demo it sounds like it reduces the brightness of the picture generally). Do you have any thoughts?
Off on the Tv as it should only be mapped once. The player will tell the 4K disc not to output higher nit value than what device you have chosen so if you choose projector it will not adjust the iris less as the projector should still hit it’s peak just not blowing out as many highlights, the option you set would depend on the luminescence of the output device. If the projector is brighter than most other projectors for instance it may fall better in choosing OLED instead of projector but essentially the answer is leave it to the player to do the work.
@@AquariumNatureLife I love the optimizer, and i am using cinema home hdr pre-set on my cx, but i find it looks better with dynamic tone mapping on, on my cx, when i disable it, the whole scene darkens, or is that how it should be ?
Excellent review and explanation Vincent. I currently have a UB900 I wonder if it has the same capability.
No.
@@hdtvtest Thanks for the quick answer Vincent. Sad to hear that, I guess I have to look into the ub9000 once I get the C9
Hello. How about SDR TV? any particular option on this blurry to improve performance quality or sound? Thanks.
Vincent its looks very intrested this [HDR Optimiser] function on Panasonic if you have video projector. Old JVC projectors already show some information about MaxFALL and MaxCLL will this upgrade his function for bether tonemaping? Can you explain me if there are some of function SDR BT.2020 on this Panasonic? Thank you
Ok, so I have 75Q9FN calibrated by Maciej Koper from HDTVPolska, I see in my calibration report that measured nits on tv is 1890,5cd/m2. Super high luminance on panasonic is 1500 nits, also Q9FN has his own eotf curve which overblowns a little bit hdr. Should I be still interested in UB9000's?
Would definitely get a Panasonic OLED and player if they still sold in the US 😩
Why don't they?
Cani ask you if i use this type of player with a jvc rs45 1080p projector, can i benefit of hdr iven.if transduced to sdr ?
I have a Samsung Q80r. It's rated for 1500 nits but according to Tech Radar it does "1200 cd/m (aka nits), using a 10 per cent HDR window.". Based on this should I use the High Luminance or Super High Luminance setting?
I just ordered this player to go with my Epson 5040 projector. I have a silver ticket grey screen. Any suggestions?
I have a Panasonic UB420 and just bought a sony x900h 75". What would you set the hdr optimizer to. I have it at its lowest setting 500nit. Ive seen that the sony can produce 730nit. Should I have it on the next setting up 1000nit? Thanks For any help.
If I have a TV capable of a peak brightness of close to 3,000 nuts
would it make any sense to cap the peak brightness to 1500 in this case for the ultra high luminance panel?
I think it would be better just to turn this feature off. or just get a player that costs less because it doesn't have this feature?
like I have the Vizio p series quantum x which at least advertises a peak brightness of 3,000 nits
Would it have this added value when used with a JVC NP5 (RS1100) projector With JVC’s great HDR?
Very helpful Vincent. Great video. One comment - I found the youtube picture quality less brighter and slightly less enjoyable than other typical videos you've done. I dont know whether thats a function of your Blacklight camera trial.
Pete
Thanks for your feedback... yes we were getting to grips with the Blackmagic camera.
Does HDR really have benefit on a PC monitor or lower luminance LCD TV?
Best explanation! I'm replacing my Sony X700 to Pana UB420 to have this feature. Thank u
Hello Vincent I have the UB820 connected to Panasonic GZ1500. Which device would you use to process HDR, the player or TV. Unless mistaken I think the TV has the same processing capabilities as the player…? Thanks for your help
Hi, I have a Samsung QLED Q80T which one I need to choose? Is it the Super Luminance LCD?
Vincent is the best!
Hi there, great video. I just got an LG G3, should this setting be off or should it be set to Super High Luminance? Thx
I'd like to see some tests with this on a 1500nit display as I suspect the benefits there will be far more subtle.
Most movies don't put out more then 1000 or 1500 but if u put in sicaro that outputs 4000 and u turn optimizer on you will see it will optimize the image to 1500 whatever u tv can display and it will take away the blooming or overexposure that 4000 can produce if ur tv doesn't display
Great video! We have the Panasonic UB820 and a Sony A9F Master series TV. Would you recommend using the HDR Optimiser on the UB820 with this combo of TV/Player? As far as I can tell you can't seem to turn off tone mapping on the A9F? Thanks!
Yes you are suppose to turn off the dynamic tone mapping on TV in order use the HDR optimizer however it only works with HDR 10 content. The HDR Optimizer will not work with HDR 10 Plus Or Dolby Vision. The HDR Optimizer is just a feature used for tone mapping HDR 10 to enhance the HDR.
What if your LCD has Max Nits of 750? Should you choose the 1000 setting (MIddle or High) or the 500 setting (Basic)? My TV is a TCL 55P605
So i need to turn dynamic tone mapping on and hdr optimizer on as well?
But I, for one, want to see all the shenanigans in your room
What’s the difference between this player and the step down model ubd820?
Are HDR Display Type option also available on the UB450?
When i turn the hdr optimizer on the 9004 on
, must turn the hdr optimizer on the lg c9 off or on?
Thanks!
Vincent I have a Sony x900f and currently using the Sony 800x UHD Blu ray player. I watch in theatre dark so I can't stand blooming. SDR looks great at brightness 1, but HDR has lots of blooming. I can lower the HDR brightness, but then the whole picture looks to dark. Would the Panasonic 820 HDR optimizer help with this? Like if I were to set it to the low luminance lcd, the peaks might not be as big of an issue with blooming right?
Has anyone figured out how to get the TV control buttons on the 9000 remote to work? Specifically with a Sony A9G?
Should this be set on a 2024 Lg 65” C3 OLED?
Is the Ub9000 the US model number too? Sorry if you said and I missed. Wanting to pair this with my JVC RS540.
Can you explain how this may be different than the HDR -> SDR conversion by Sony players? Is that just an even more exaggerated version of this Panasonic player, or like the Panasonic’s “basic LCD” mode? I don’t have HDR tv (upgrading soon) but where do I set this at on my current tv? It’s got a slider bar but I don’t know exactly what is correct.
* * * I'm trying to decide between the Samsung Q70R and the Sony X950G. As per your Reviews The Sony has a "Blooming Issue" which a scene with a dark back ground and a bright object will Bloom sometime even into the Black Bars and the Samsung does not do this but instead has a "Blach Crush Issue" where where there is a dark background and a bright object there is no "Blooming" and the Black Bars stay Black but it loses some Shadow Detail. Question: are there any Setting on the Panasonic that can Help either TV with their Issues or in the Sony TV Menu (to darken the Black Bars or on the Samsung Menu to Brighten the Picture just a touch ?
So if you have a 2009 plasma tv like me you must choose Basic Luminance LCD??
I have a question and maybe someone can help me. So dolby vision and hdr are set to 100 oled light but what if I find that too bright in a dark room setting, is it ok to lower oled light on hdr content or no?
Vincent sorry,is it possible to activate both hdr options on Panasonic ub9000 and tv Oled Lg?