Rob Hall's wife said it best. " On that mountain is where he wanted to be, and he wouldn't or our family doesn't want anyone else losing their life or getting hurt to bring him down."
That is the correct sentiment. I don't understand family members wanting other people to risk their lives to bring back a dead body. It's pure selfishness. Let them go up and try to recover it if it means so much to them.
Rob Hall was an idiot. He caused the deaths of his paid customers. Some of which should never have been on that mountain in the first place. He was also part of the trend to encourage tourists to attempt Everest. In NZ he is considered with contempt.
@juliebear1505 LOL - the uninformed speak. At no point did he ever take non mountaineer up the mountain. There was a strict fitness, and experience requirement.
The governments granting the climbing permits and the climbers/expeditions desperately need to enact a "pack-in pack-out" policy. There is absolutely no reason to be leaving trash on these gorgeous mountains. If you can't carry your trash back down with you, you have absolutely no business being on the mountain in the first place.
@@bradbutcher8762 the government agency that received money from these expeditions and permits? Maybe if they raise the permits costs to maintain some kind of clean up team so there's more awareness to this matter?
yet another reason why people suck. To me morons who try to climb either K2 or Everest and especially Everest people pay because they thing sherpers will do all the work and carry everything needed. There are too many morons with too much money and ego and not enough sense. coupled with locals who are only to willing to take people on to the mountain .
You are worried about trash, the family's are worried that they will never see thier body back home. The Uber Rich never worry about trash , cause they have always had a servant cleaning up the mess they have left
The selfishness of the family asking for the body back is insane. I understand the thought, but the risk in way too much. Having other families lose someone just to get your loved one back? That’s not worth it.
I would think leaving the bodies on the mountain is what the dead would have wanted. Why be buried 6 feet in the ground when you can rest on a beautiful mountain?
idk I mean I'm sure most of them would want to stay up there, I hope. But I think of the people that nearly died. The ones I have seen survive say that the last thought in the head was "I want to be off this mountain and home." Not cool to send other people up to recover bodies---especially if they are doing it for money.
They take the money andsay they are gonna try but they never come back with the bodies these climbers and their families are super disrespectful assholes
You die on the mountain, I'm afraid you stay on the mountain. Every climber knows and understands this. They need to have a good sit-down with their families BEFORE they leave and explain to them how things work,
There are no mountain gods. Its a rock with ice and snow amd nothing else. Everything that happens is either user error or acts of nature based on laws of physics.
I feel like it's a bit unrelated. Those deaths haven't resulted from overcrowdment of the mountain with inexperienced climbers, rather they were the case of experienced climbers taking the odds and failing, becoming a statistic, so permit costs don't have much to do with that, unlike on the Everest, where climbers pose more of a threat to each other due to sheer numbers, making the mountain more dangerous than it needs to be.
Yeah, there are competing narratives here, and the writing doesn't support the conclusions. Even the discussion about retrieving one body without mentioning the other feels incomplete. If you're going to tell us about two deaths, why focus so hard on the recovery of one without even a word about the other (directed at the creator)? The 'conclusion' reads like 'these people died from their lack of experience' but that's not supported by the story they told.
I feel like it's worth noting how special it was for the nepalese team of climbers to summit K2 in winter. it was the last 8000m peak to be summitted in winter. 67 years after the first ascent of K2. and almost a hundred years after the 8000m peaks were beginning to be attempted. incredible feat of determination and effort.
Add to that they summitted it after climbing 9 others in 3 months and then did all 14 peaks in just over 6 months total?? Absolute madness, I have nothing but respect for those men
they were allowed to summit in winter only due to climate change. New pictures shows that summit of K2 in not fully covered with snow anymore which never happened in the past
Richard was 60. An experienced climber, but 60 & going for K2. There was a guy who died on Hillary Step of Everest (Don Cash) who was 55 & also experienced. I saw a video clip of a 54yr old Indian woman who was with her husband on Everest & she also had 25yrs experience. This video mentions a push that took 16hrs. Even in your prime, this is an extremely demanding goal, but in your 50s & 60s it's being unrealistic. Worse yet, they place others in danger as well.
@veganjeliza8518 Anjali Kulkarni & husband Sharad had planned to climb the seven highest peaks in the world. They began this venture in their 50s & climbed Koziosci in 2014, Kilimanjaro in 2018 & were attempting Everest in 2019 where she died. I found her husband Sharad went on to reach their shared goal & climbed the seven highest peaks. He is the oldest Indian to Summit Everest at age 60.
@@antoniotula262 Koziosci is an afternoon walk, Kilimanjaro a nice hike you can do in trail runners without any training in your 60s (like me). Has nothing to do with technical climbing.
@@Henning_Rech That was my thought too. They began climbing in their 50s & neither had experience with 8000m mountains. I read where the husband was a marathon runner, but they seem more like rich people who wanted to say they did the seven summits even though their experience was in trekking, not actual climbing. Also, the lack of oxygen at those altitudes seems to kill far more than falls. Someone in comments said that the Sherpa was telling her to get up & that she was warned to turn back. If true, then that is on her.
Yeah, it will be surreal if the whole thing broke off and swept about 50 climbers off the hill. And now the crazy part: that horrible event, should it ever happen, wouldn't stop the next batch of dumbasses from spending $75,000 each to get killed up there that way or some other way. Dorks dying on mountains is just the normal culling process to rid the Earth of those who are not fit. Survival of the fittest (as described by Darwin) isn't a joke, although mountain climbers seem to think it doesn't apply to them.
I have no words to describe the lack of understanding of the family wanting people to recover his body. You die up there? You stay up there. That’s just how it is.
Fellow climbers were successful in moving Matt's body. He is now buried at the foot of K2 along side other legends who had lost their lives through out the years. It is near the memorial built by fellow climbers which has all the names of those that died in the attempt to summit K2.
@@vikingsoftomorrow4038I think that was their point. It’s hard and dangerous to move bodies so why risk peoples lives just to move a body a short distance.
My goal is to truly make history. I am leading an expedition to climb K2 in the winter without oxygen, ropes or clothing. It will be the first nudist ascent of an 8000 meter.
@@Road_Rash People who climb with clothing aren’t accomplishing anything. If you sit in an airliner you are higher than Everest. Is every airline passenger “making history”? But if you climb above 8000 meters nude, that’s an accomplishment. All climbing societies should require this, as well as forbidding ropes and bottled oxygen. That’s really climbing.
No way will K2 become Everest. K2 is a total beast to climb and many many great climbers failed to summit it before it was finally conquered. Even if it did, once the bodies started to pile up that bucket list item will be removed pretty quickly for most.
Must be a lot easier now than it was then if 100 people were successful in one day. That’s just wild to me having 100 people trying to navigate a section already named the bottleneck. People always say they want to spend the least amount of time anywhere near the serac as possible and there were at least 100 people up there that day.
funny at one point Everest was considered not only the highest mountain but the most dangerous. Know morons with no experience climb Everest because the sherpers do everything from carrying supplies to laying out routes ect . That along with the ease of permits and the fact people don't think they need the experience .
Been to k2 base camp a few times. Just that is an experience in itself. The mountain itself yells out when u see it. I will get u. Come to me. It’s so scary.
As it is expensive to even get there, and dangerous to try to recover a body, I think the family was out of place to sort of "demand" someone else to just do it for them. They would at least have to pay for it, if it's that important to them. Everyone should know the risks of dying on the mountain and know that they will very likely not have a proper funeral after that.
@@paulfletcher3998 You wrote "You'd have thought ...." I didn't think that at all. Why are you telling me what I'd of thought? Or did you mean to write "I'd of thought...."? Why do people assume that we all think the same as them?
The technical requirement for summitting K2 is different to Everest. I guarantee you, we'll start seeing lots of deaths which will lead to a major shift in the world of 8k meter climbing. Edit: Personally, I'd enforce a passport and reference and disclaimer system for passes: Validate your experience in summitting 7k meters, rock climbing grade skill, ice climbing experience, expedition host character statements and a fine for litter.
Why would they do that? Rich people are way more profitable for the people there than very experienced mountaineers are and Nepal is so insanely poor that they need all the money they can get.
@@highertest Why would they do that - Well if you need it explaining, here goes: Deaths and the consequences of deaths. Do you want me to explain in more detail or are you going to apply some critical thinking?
People that do excursions like this, caving, diving, etc. should know the risks they are taking and other people shouldn’t have to risk their lives for the idiocy of another person IMO
There are many climbers on these mountains that specifically state beforehand that no attempt at recovering their body should be made in case of a fall. I think that's how it should be. It's common to move bodies out of sight if circumstances allow it and that's the furthest anyone should go..
When a family member or friend decides to climb any of these mountains. You should say your goodbyes before they leave. Because there is a good chance you will never see them again.
Many years ago, a popular Danish song was about a man standing on a mountain top, and asking: Why did he climb it? Okay, as a Dane our highest "mountain" is hardly 200 m and several with a tower to be able to look further out. It has latest been found that a field named Møllehøj is actually the highest point in Denmark! Take that, Mount Everest!
What issue? It's a dangerous feat. The expense is enough to deter most people and the weather deters most everybody else. Hold up folks! I know there's just a couple rich crazy people that haven't been eliminated and still want to go, but @LastAvailableAlias has an issue with you guys going mountain climbing in Nepal that you really need to address. You gotta answer some questions for the CZcams comments section before you can go to base camp. 🤓SAFETY FIRST! ffs🤣
A buddy who I deployed w/ in Iraq died trying to climb this Mountain and he was a really talented and tough dude. I think just having some bad luck will kill you much less not knowing what you are doing. It will eventually get a bunch of people killed that's for sure
It shouldn't count as summiting a mountain unless you make it all the way back alive. Also, rescue attempts and body retrievals should be prohibited, you should have to agree to that before getting a permit
So if they die in a taxi cab accident coming from the airport to home they didn't summit? Dumb notion. Leaving bodies on the mountain makes sense but it's not for anyone to mandate, get so tired you Nanny State proponents always wanting to control other ppl when it's none of your damn business.
Finding crazy to try retrieving the body given the level of risk for the rescuers. Matt knew it I guess and the family should be have been aware of that risk as well and accept it
Unfortunately, the Himalayas stretches through multiple governments and are the main source of travel tourism money. The climbing companies are primarily owned by westerners that have more sway than thr impoverished people of the Himalayas. Wealthy white men rule the mountains
Nepal is a small, poor, landlocked country. Most of their revenue comes from tourism. So basically they use their natural resources e.g. mountains to make money. Then there’s the sherpas, porters and other support personnel that make a living off of mountaineering. Doing this type of work has allowed their families to send kids to school, open business etc. If unprepared climbers get killed because of their hubris then so be it. I think China has the right idea when granting permits for Mt. Everest. The climbers must prove they have successfully climbed other 8,000 meter mountain before receiving a permit. My main problem is the garbage that’s left behind. Mt. Everest is a beautiful mountain marred by tons of garbage including bodily waste. It’s the tallest toilet in the world. I believe that each person should pay $10K for garbage removal. If they don’t want to pay it then they must bring all their garbage and then some back down.
Even the hike to base camp would be very difficult for regular people so wouldnt surprise me if someone not completely healthy or prepared could get issues and even possibly die from like heart attack.
Actually maybe I was wrong. I think the way I interpreted it was "1 death for 4 people who survive", which is my mistake. One death for four people who reach the summit is indeed approx 25% death rate if approx all deaths happen after reaching the summit. I deleted my comment, thank you for calling me out on this.
Mountain climbing at these elevations entails many risks and one mistake can kill you. I've done a few risky things in my life my hats off to them who lives life on the edge.
Climbing Everest is a fully functioning Industry, with the local villages relying on the trade from Climbers and Base Camp Trekkers.I am a Mountaineer and Everest would be the last place I would ever want to be. The whole Mountain is covered in Trash and corpses. Its turned into a shrine for the Egotistical Rich, being baby sat all the way up and down by Sherpas. There are numerous 7000+m mountains in the Himalayas/Karakorum that are spectacular tests for the Mountaineer. But you cant brag to your Buddies at the local Country Club about climbing them, only Everest or K2 fit that catagory.
@@chrismassaro3435 Yeah I'm no expert, but just off the top of my head - K2, Annapurna, Nanga Parbat, and Kangchenjunga are all considered more difficult and dangerous mountains to climb. That said, Everest is still extremely dangerous. 17 people died on Everest in 2023 alone.
With such a high death rate the permit process should require filling out an advanced directive. Also, if they truly wanted it to be safe, there would be an affordable yet challenging certification process that should be required. Then, it would be about experience, not money.
I grew up with Alison Hargreaves. Alison and her son Tom deserve a full-length documentary all of their own. The only comfort I got from their deaths was that they both died doing something they loved. Alison’s daughter looks so much like her mum it’s scary
And yet no one has ever heard of them, so their brag trip and death were for nothing. As Trump would say "They were losers, and we dont like losers." And they cared absolutely nothing for their daughter or they wouldnt have thrown their lives away for something so worthless.
Well, it depends. For the family it's always a tragedy when someone dies, no matter how the person actually died. But for the general public it's basically "normal" that a few people die on 8000ers every year, a bit like people dying in road accidents.
i feel like a hipster now. i only learned about K2 awhile ago and now people go tghere instead of Everest and i feel like i knew about it before it was famous and i feel like im a cool kid now.
I like that we live in a world where someone else can go record an HD video of the view from some of the tallest points on earth. Like, being able to see this stuff without risking your life is pretty awesome.
Kepada mereka yang gemar mendaki gunung.. Tolong bawa kembali sampah yang anda bawa ke atas gunung.. Diatas sana bukan tempat tong pembuangan sampah.. Jangan menyusahkan sherpa untuk mengutip sampah yang anda bawa.. Hargailah kebersihan alam 🏔️🗻🏞️
Umm, it's not safe. That's why your loved one perished. Astonishing to ask someone else to risk their lives to retrieve the already dead people who are strangers to them. It must be the grief talking.
If you need all of that help and support and assistance to climb any mountain, can you say that you actually climbed the mountain? One of my best climbs was my solo ascent of a Washington State volcano in winter conditions which was an ice climb. I was the only person on the mountain.
@@highertest Yes, on glacial ice with two ice tools and crampons. It wasn't vertical, but about 60 degrees for long stretches. In the dark with a small headlamp, I went up a few dead-end chutes and had to back down. At one point my head light bulb died, and I had to replace it, which, of course took two hands. On one vertical waterfall ice climb, I severed my climbing rope with my crampon front point. The rope was held together with threads, so I could tie a quick loop to avoid finishing the pitch with no protection.
Do they count Sherpas as climbers? If so there are less Sherpas I would think, per group that is. Probably rarer to see large expeditions on K2 because of the cost, I hope the one in four doesn't count Sherpas, but it makes sense since they take the biggest risks. My prayers go out to all that have lost their lives, and that includes the Sherpas who don't do it for ego, but to feed their families.
@@MsMaxine306 You're not wrong but explorers all throughout history probably lacked common sense when they set off into the unknown. The sad thing here is people are starved for adventure but there isn't really anything new to explore. K2/Everest aren't really even accomplishments anymore. We are a gap generation. The frontiers on earth are all realistically explored, and we aren't able to get to space yet. I think that affects people.
@@philasoma Climbing mountains has nothing to do with the desire for exploration. It is simply about the satisfaction of overcoming a challenge. Its the same reason people engage in any other sport.
The curvature of the Earth actually becomes noticeable at around 10,000 meters. So it would almost be visible at the peak (~8000m), as he said in the video.
? Most mountaineers are well educated. Or a dirt bag from well educated backgrounds and families. If you're talking about the damn tourists have at them.
I’ve found an update on the gofundme campaign: « 18 juillet 2023 par Danielle Bonnington, Organisateur The following has been very difficult to write, hence my delay. Despite the most incredible efforts of the team in Pakistan, Matthew’s body was unable to be recovered and buried in February, despite our great hope and the incredible efforts of the team. The great mountain K2 has decided to keep Matthew. The avalanche and amount of snow that covered his body after his accident almost a year ago was too significant. It was simply impossible under the circumstances to find him. »
The climbers should themselves state to their loved ones what they want done with their bodies should they die! Fully knowing the great risk, they should cover every detail and hopefully, in an unselfish way.
families don’t seem to understand how difficult, expensive and pretty much impossible it is to carry a dead body down a mountain. I can sympathize with them but why?
Rob Hall's wife said it best. " On that mountain is where he wanted to be, and he wouldn't or our family doesn't want anyone else losing their life or getting hurt to bring him down."
That is the correct sentiment. I don't understand family members wanting other people to risk their lives to bring back a dead body. It's pure selfishness. Let them go up and try to recover it if it means so much to them.
Rob Hall was an idiot. He caused the deaths of his paid customers. Some of which should never have been on that mountain in the first place. He was also part of the trend to encourage tourists to attempt Everest. In NZ he is considered with contempt.
@juliebear1505 LOL - the uninformed speak. At no point did he ever take non mountaineer up the mountain. There was a strict fitness, and experience requirement.
"If its safe get my brother's body." How the hell can it be safe?
The governments granting the climbing permits and the climbers/expeditions desperately need to enact a "pack-in pack-out" policy. There is absolutely no reason to be leaving trash on these gorgeous mountains. If you can't carry your trash back down with you, you have absolutely no business being on the mountain in the first place.
people shouldn't be climbing mountains in general. They cope by calling it sport.
Who cleans up your mess if you die 25 percent of the time?
@@bradbutcher8762 the government agency that received money from these expeditions and permits? Maybe if they raise the permits costs to maintain some kind of clean up team so there's more awareness to this matter?
yet another reason why people suck. To me morons who try to climb either K2 or Everest and especially Everest people pay because they thing sherpers will do all the work and carry everything needed. There are too many morons with too much money and ego and not enough sense. coupled with locals who are only to willing to take people on to the mountain .
You are worried about trash, the family's are worried that they will never see thier body back home. The Uber Rich never worry about trash , cause they have always had a servant cleaning up the mess they have left
The selfishness of the family asking for the body back is insane. I understand the thought, but the risk in way too much. Having other families lose someone just to get your loved one back? That’s not worth it.
I would think leaving the bodies on the mountain is what the dead would have wanted. Why be buried 6 feet in the ground when you can rest on a beautiful mountain?
idk I mean I'm sure most of them would want to stay up there, I hope. But I think of the people that nearly died. The ones I have seen survive say that the last thought in the head was "I want to be off this mountain and home." Not cool to send other people up to recover bodies---especially if they are doing it for money.
They take the money andsay they are gonna try but they never come back with the bodies these climbers and their families are super disrespectful assholes
You die on the mountain, I'm afraid you stay on the mountain. Every climber knows and understands this. They need to have a good sit-down with their families BEFORE they leave and explain to them how things work,
Sit down bot
You don't "Conquer" a mountain. You try to summit and return. Sometimes the mountain gods smile on your efforts and sometimes they don't.
Well said! Exactly what I've been thinking all this time and you just made it into words.
There are no mountain gods. Its a rock with ice and snow amd nothing else. Everything that happens is either user error or acts of nature based on laws of physics.
There are no mountain gods. Just Almighty God, who made all the mountains.
Now we got a mountains god.. lgbtq personal pronounces got a real competition.
@@kanielsmith6535😆
I feel like it's a bit unrelated. Those deaths haven't resulted from overcrowdment of the mountain with inexperienced climbers, rather they were the case of experienced climbers taking the odds and failing, becoming a statistic, so permit costs don't have much to do with that, unlike on the Everest, where climbers pose more of a threat to each other due to sheer numbers, making the mountain more dangerous than it needs to be.
Yeah, there are competing narratives here, and the writing doesn't support the conclusions. Even the discussion about retrieving one body without mentioning the other feels incomplete. If you're going to tell us about two deaths, why focus so hard on the recovery of one without even a word about the other (directed at the creator)? The 'conclusion' reads like 'these people died from their lack of experience' but that's not supported by the story they told.
I struggle to get out of bed in the morning. How do these people even climb such high mountain?
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you should get your life together
I feel like it's worth noting how special it was for the nepalese team of climbers to summit K2 in winter. it was the last 8000m peak to be summitted in winter. 67 years after the first ascent of K2. and almost a hundred years after the 8000m peaks were beginning to be attempted. incredible feat of determination and effort.
Add to that they summitted it after climbing 9 others in 3 months and then did all 14 peaks in just over 6 months total?? Absolute madness, I have nothing but respect for those men
Was that nims smoking and drinking then off to climb all the mountains hahahaha
@@commieburner9159 legit that man climbed an 8000 meter peak while hungover I- just how
they summited it altogether singing their national anthem, cute
they were allowed to summit in winter only due to climate change. New pictures shows that summit of K2 in not fully covered with snow anymore which never happened in the past
Richard was 60. An experienced climber, but 60 & going for K2. There was a guy who died on Hillary Step of Everest (Don Cash) who was 55 & also experienced. I saw a video clip of a 54yr old Indian woman who was with her husband on Everest & she also had 25yrs experience. This video mentions a push that took 16hrs. Even in your prime, this is an extremely demanding goal, but in your 50s & 60s it's being unrealistic. Worse yet, they place others in danger as well.
At 60 you're not experimented, you're old.
Expérimented means that you're not stupid....
I believe that the Indian woman and her husband hadn't climbed an 8,000 peak. That was very sad as her husband had to leave her behind.
@veganjeliza8518 Anjali Kulkarni & husband Sharad had planned to climb the seven highest peaks in the world. They began this venture in their 50s & climbed Koziosci in 2014, Kilimanjaro in 2018 & were attempting Everest in 2019 where she died. I found her husband Sharad went on to reach their shared goal & climbed the seven highest peaks. He is the oldest Indian to Summit Everest at age 60.
@@antoniotula262 Koziosci is an afternoon walk, Kilimanjaro a nice hike you can do in trail runners without any training in your 60s (like me). Has nothing to do with technical climbing.
@@Henning_Rech That was my thought too. They began climbing in their 50s & neither had experience with 8000m mountains. I read where the husband was a marathon runner, but they seem more like rich people who wanted to say they did the seven summits even though their experience was in trekking, not actual climbing. Also, the lack of oxygen at those altitudes seems to kill far more than falls. Someone in comments said that the Sherpa was telling her to get up & that she was warned to turn back. If true, then that is on her.
I never cease being horrified by pictures of K2's serac. Just nuts
Yeah, it will be surreal if the whole thing broke off and swept about 50 climbers off the hill. And now the crazy part: that horrible event, should it ever happen, wouldn't stop the next batch of dumbasses from spending $75,000 each to get killed up there that way or some other way. Dorks dying on mountains is just the normal culling process to rid the Earth of those who are not fit. Survival of the fittest (as described by Darwin) isn't a joke, although mountain climbers seem to think it doesn't apply to them.
Formidable,huh?
I'm a climber, if I die on a mountain, I want to be left on that mountain! It just... "deserves me" in a way 🤷♀️
beautiful mountain doesn't want your dead body there
@@weho_brian: I agree! Sherpas lives would be compromised in recovering any body!
@@weho_brianGood job it doesn't have a choice. Noone wants you anywhere 😂
I have no words to describe the lack of understanding of the family wanting people to recover his body. You die up there? You stay up there. That’s just how it is.
just send the family the gps coordinates and a shovel lol
@@alquinn8576 looool
@@alquinn8576 Hahaha 🤣🤣
Why don’t they go find him? Selfish pricks.
Why arent climbers made to sign a waiver saying they will be left if they perish?
They know that it is "every man for himself" up there. Signing a waiver would accomplish nothing.
@@wapiti3750For the climbers maybe, but a written waiver would make it crystal clear to the families.
these are 3rd world countries
The family was begging to allow volunteer friends to go. Everybody who's family doesn't beg gets left there. Who needs a waiver?
Fellow climbers were successful in moving Matt's body. He is now buried at the foot of K2 along side other legends who had lost their lives through out the years. It is near the memorial built by fellow climbers which has all the names of those that died in the attempt to summit K2.
Legends? Complete idiots.
All that risk and effort just to move it a few thousand metres, what's the point!?
"legends"
@@alkaholic4848 I dont think you realize how difficult it is to move bodies in mountain ranges.
@@vikingsoftomorrow4038I think that was their point. It’s hard and dangerous to move bodies so why risk peoples lives just to move a body a short distance.
My goal is to truly make history. I am leading an expedition to climb K2 in the winter without oxygen, ropes or clothing. It will be the first nudist ascent of an 8000 meter.
And likely the shortest as well as the last... Lol!
@@Road_Rash People who climb with clothing aren’t accomplishing anything. If you sit in an airliner you are higher than Everest. Is every airline passenger “making history”? But if you climb above 8000 meters nude, that’s an accomplishment. All climbing societies should require this, as well as forbidding ropes and bottled oxygen. That’s really climbing.
God speed good sir.
@@SaintNarcissa Let’s put the “climbing” back into mountain climbing. We should have at least a 100% fatality rate. That’s true adventure.
@@JacobStein1960 I like your attitude at altitude.
No way will K2 become Everest. K2 is a total beast to climb and many many great climbers failed to summit it before it was finally conquered. Even if it did, once the bodies started to pile up that bucket list item will be removed pretty quickly for most.
Must be a lot easier now than it was then if 100 people were successful in one day. That’s just wild to me having 100 people trying to navigate a section already named the bottleneck. People always say they want to spend the least amount of time anywhere near the serac as possible and there were at least 100 people up there that day.
funny at one point Everest was considered not only the highest mountain but the most dangerous. Know morons with no experience climb Everest because the sherpers do everything from carrying supplies to laying out routes ect . That along with the ease of permits and the fact people don't think they need the experience .
@@Zazzaro703it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Much worse than anything Everest can offer.
Been to k2 base camp a few times. Just that is an experience in itself. The mountain itself yells out when u see it. I will get u. Come to me. It’s so scary.
As it is expensive to even get there, and dangerous to try to recover a body, I think the family was out of place to sort of "demand" someone else to just do it for them. They would at least have to pay for it, if it's that important to them. Everyone should know the risks of dying on the mountain and know that they will very likely not have a proper funeral after that.
Right? If they want the body they can go get it themselves
"All climbers who die in the mountains while pursuing their passion should have a chance to be found and buried"
Ok then you go get him lol
You'd have thought there'd be a basic standard of skill and experience needed before you'd be allowed anywhere near somewhere like K2.
You don't know what I thought. My thoughts are my own. You may be right or you may be wrong - no one will know for certain.
You would think self-preservation would be a part of that decision-making process.
@@terrymoore1830 What on earth are you talking about?
I've said nothing about your thoughts.
@@paulfletcher3998 You wrote "You'd have thought ...." I didn't think that at all. Why are you telling me what I'd of thought? Or did you mean to write "I'd of thought...."? Why do people assume that we all think the same as them?
@@terrymoore1830 alright mate, chill out. It's just a figure of speech.
I wasn't telling you to think anything.
I bet you're fun at parties.
The technical requirement for summitting K2 is different to Everest. I guarantee you, we'll start seeing lots of deaths which will lead to a major shift in the world of 8k meter climbing. Edit: Personally, I'd enforce a passport and reference and disclaimer system for passes: Validate your experience in summitting 7k meters, rock climbing grade skill, ice climbing experience, expedition host character statements and a fine for litter.
@TerrorTwin. Fire away 😁
@@thewaywardgrape3838Your @ did nothing.
@@MrReymoclif714 Yeah the comments have been deleted. I'm guessing someone's upset by something 🙄
Why would they do that? Rich people are way more profitable for the people there than very experienced mountaineers are and Nepal is so insanely poor that they need all the money they can get.
@@highertest Why would they do that - Well if you need it explaining, here goes: Deaths and the consequences of deaths. Do you want me to explain in more detail or are you going to apply some critical thinking?
People that do excursions like this, caving, diving, etc. should know the risks they are taking and other people shouldn’t have to risk their lives for the idiocy of another person IMO
Yep You're right.
There are many climbers on these mountains that specifically state beforehand that no attempt at recovering their body should be made in case of a fall. I think that's how it should be. It's common to move bodies out of sight if circumstances allow it and that's the furthest anyone should go..
When a family member or friend decides to climb any of these mountains. You should say your goodbyes before they leave. Because there is a good chance you will never see them again.
Seeing that many people try to summit waiting after another in line feels like mayor disaster waiting to happen...
2 weeks later...
Many years ago, a popular Danish song was about a man standing on a mountain top, and asking: Why did he climb it? Okay, as a Dane our highest "mountain" is hardly 200 m and several with a tower to be able to look further out. It has latest been found that a field named Møllehøj is actually the highest point in Denmark! Take that, Mount Everest!
What is that song called??
@@galaxyfanfan2938Shu-bi-dua, står på en alpeto
lol i have been to top of that "mountain" the tower with music is cool
The number of permits isn't the issue, it is the lack of any requirements. Even Baxter SP in Maine has entry requirements in the winter.
@LastAvailableAlias
Its all about the money to Nepalese Gov. They dont care about anything and issue permit like flyers
What issue? It's a dangerous feat. The expense is enough to deter most people and the weather deters most everybody else. Hold up folks! I know there's just a couple rich crazy people that haven't been eliminated and still want to go, but @LastAvailableAlias has an issue with you guys going mountain climbing in Nepal that you really need to address. You gotta answer some questions for the CZcams comments section before you can go to base camp.
🤓SAFETY FIRST!
ffs🤣
They're trying to turn mountain climbing into a pony ride but the mountains aren't having it...
Thanks for explaining how much 25% is. I had no idea.
Its like half right?
as a social construct it's what you need it to be
@@AndrewDibb-ro3uz Math is racist anyway.
Well, there's more people than you might think which actually have no idea.
@@Leychen Actually true...met a girl in college who didn't understand the concept of 360 degrees, I was a bit stunned by that.
A buddy who I deployed w/ in Iraq died trying to climb this Mountain and he was a really talented and tough dude. I think just having some bad luck will kill you much less not knowing what you are doing. It will eventually get a bunch of people killed that's for sure
It shouldn't count as summiting a mountain unless you make it all the way back alive. Also, rescue attempts and body retrievals should be prohibited, you should have to agree to that before getting a permit
Absolutely agree!
So if they die in a taxi cab accident coming from the airport to home they didn't summit? Dumb notion. Leaving bodies on the mountain makes sense but it's not for anyone to mandate, get so tired you Nanny State proponents always wanting to control other ppl when it's none of your damn business.
It’s called summiting because they reached the summit… what would you call it?
It doesn't count. If a stupid, selfish, egotistical climber dies on descent, the recorded score is: K2 1; Dumbass Climber 0.
@@Ron-Swanson😂😂😂😂well said
Finding crazy to try retrieving the body given the level of risk for the rescuers. Matt knew it I guess and the family should be have been aware of that risk as well and accept it
apparently the sister said only if it didn't risk others to retrieve the body.
Seems like a waste of money too, to then just bury it at the bottom of the mountain.
I’ve always thought for Everest they should cap the number at like 150 climbers and then increase the price up until it almost not popular.
Unfortunately, the Himalayas stretches through multiple governments and are the main source of travel tourism money. The climbing companies are primarily owned by westerners that have more sway than thr impoverished people of the Himalayas. Wealthy white men rule the mountains
Or an annual auction?
The sherpas need the money, this is the main way that they make money so it is a good idea but would be unpopular
Nepal is a small, poor, landlocked country. Most of their revenue comes from tourism. So basically they use their natural resources e.g. mountains to make money. Then there’s the sherpas, porters and other support personnel that make a living off of mountaineering. Doing this type of work has allowed their families to send kids to school, open business etc. If unprepared climbers get killed because of their hubris then so be it. I think China has the right idea when granting permits for Mt. Everest. The climbers must prove they have successfully climbed other 8,000 meter mountain before receiving a permit. My main problem is the garbage that’s left behind. Mt. Everest is a beautiful mountain marred by tons of garbage including bodily waste. It’s the tallest toilet in the world. I believe that each person should pay $10K for garbage removal. If they don’t want to pay it then they must bring all their garbage and then some back down.
its so easy now to get up Everest now with new gear sherpas etc its time to stop the madness no permits no sherpas
always love your videos on mountaineering
Informative & showed great respect to the deceased climbers & families. Great video.
What a stunningly beautiful mountain. I'm satisfied with just looking at it.
I would die at the first base camp.
I just don't get the urge people have to do this activity/sport.
I read about a guy who died on Everest’s first base camp, at about 16k feet where you’re supposed to “acclimate” to the thin air. Insane.
Even the hike to base camp would be very difficult for regular people so wouldnt surprise me if someone not completely healthy or prepared could get issues and even possibly die from like heart attack.
The standard answer to this is, "Because it's there!", which sums up the stupidity of it.
I wouldn't make it to the first base camp.
@@brinsonharris9816 Yeah even at 16000 feet you are only getting a little over half the oxygen per breath than at sea level
If I want to wait in line I will go to Disney World.
such an underrated channel! keep up your amazing work.
100%
Thank you!
@@_______v I don't understand. What's wrong with that?
Actually maybe I was wrong. I think the way I interpreted it was "1 death for 4 people who survive", which is my mistake. One death for four people who reach the summit is indeed approx 25% death rate if approx all deaths happen after reaching the summit.
I deleted my comment, thank you for calling me out on this.
@@_______v It's rare to find a person on YT who admits they've misinterpreted information. I applaud you for that!
Going up is easy-peasy...coming down with all extremities intact without frostbite is a far extreme challenge.
There is nothing easy about K2
I agree to get the body back seems insane and they knew the risks prior.
Good video, good story, I'll subscribe.
Excellent content
Maybe someone will employ some forethought and prevent K2 from becoming a high elevation landfill!
Well made video.
Love the Videos keep it up man!
Mountain climbing at these elevations entails many risks and one mistake can kill you. I've done a few risky things in my life my hats off to them who lives life on the edge.
Climbing Everest is a fully functioning Industry, with the local villages relying on the trade from Climbers and Base Camp Trekkers.I am a Mountaineer and Everest would be the last place I would ever want to be. The whole Mountain is covered in Trash and corpses. Its turned into a shrine for the Egotistical Rich, being baby sat all the way up and down by Sherpas.
There are numerous 7000+m mountains in the Himalayas/Karakorum that are spectacular tests for the Mountaineer. But you cant brag to your Buddies at the local Country Club about climbing them, only Everest or K2 fit that catagory.
I would rather just hike where there are waterfalls and vegetation. The only good thing I can think about it is you lose a lot of weight.
That view and adrenalin rush gotta be crazy 😅😅
I always thought Everest was the mighty mountain to climb, but K2 is the Widowmaker
several 8000ers are more difficult than Everest, and even some 7000ers
@@LsShrp yeah....so I've been reading. Just seems like Everest gets all the publicity
@@chrismassaro3435 Yeah I'm no expert, but just off the top of my head - K2, Annapurna, Nanga Parbat, and Kangchenjunga are all considered more difficult and dangerous mountains to climb.
That said, Everest is still extremely dangerous. 17 people died on Everest in 2023 alone.
We "conquer" these mountains but when they kill us, our loved ones want to risk more lives so we can be "laid to rest with dignity."
The Rich..Always in the WAKE of the Talented, Brave & Truly Passionate.
Thank you for the imagine it is beautiful....
If the death rate for those climbing K2 is twenty-five percent, then of the one hundred who summited the previous day, twenty-five of them died.
This is where I'm going to be a dick and say "not necessarily".
Top tier narration. Also, What's the intro music?
With such a high death rate the permit process should require filling out an advanced directive.
Also, if they truly wanted it to be safe, there would be an affordable yet challenging certification process that should be required. Then, it would be about experience, not money.
I grew up with Alison Hargreaves. Alison and her son Tom deserve a full-length documentary all of their own. The only comfort I got from their deaths was that they both died doing something they loved.
Alison’s daughter looks so much like her mum it’s scary
And yet no one has ever heard of them, so their brag trip and death were for nothing. As Trump would say "They were losers, and we dont like losers." And they cared absolutely nothing for their daughter or they wouldnt have thrown their lives away for something so worthless.
It is not a tragedy when a mountaineer perishes while climbing (or descending).
Well, it depends. For the family it's always a tragedy when someone dies, no matter how the person actually died.
But for the general public it's basically "normal" that a few people die on 8000ers every year, a bit like people dying in road accidents.
You know the risks and decide to do it anyway? That's sad, but not a tragedy.
I feel bad for the sherpas
thanks for explaining what 25% actually is I had no idea...
i feel like a hipster now. i only learned about K2 awhile ago and now people go tghere instead of Everest and i feel like i knew about it before it was famous and i feel like im a cool kid now.
I like that we live in a world where someone else can go record an HD video of the view from some of the tallest points on earth. Like, being able to see this stuff without risking your life is pretty awesome.
Kepada mereka yang gemar mendaki gunung.. Tolong bawa kembali sampah yang anda bawa ke atas gunung.. Diatas sana bukan tempat tong pembuangan sampah.. Jangan menyusahkan sherpa untuk mengutip sampah yang anda bawa.. Hargailah kebersihan alam 🏔️🗻🏞️
Leave the dead climber on the mountain. It’s not about the family but rather the climber himself. To each his own.
That winter Nepal team must be the hardest men on the planet.
I wouldn't like to climb on a place that is literally a cimetary 😟
Umm, it's not safe. That's why your loved one perished. Astonishing to ask someone else to risk their lives to retrieve the already dead people who are strangers to them. It must be the grief talking.
Imagine standing in line just to die 😂
K2 death rate is nowhere near 25%, a quick google shows it sits at 13% due to many successful summits in recent history
If you need all of that help and support and assistance to climb any mountain, can you say that you actually climbed the mountain? One of my best climbs was my solo ascent of a Washington State volcano in winter conditions which was an ice climb. I was the only person on the mountain.
You did an actual ice climb free solo? Like double ice axe and crampons free solo?
@@highertest Yes, on glacial ice with two ice tools and crampons. It wasn't vertical, but about 60 degrees for long stretches. In the dark with a small headlamp, I went up a few dead-end chutes and had to back down. At one point my head light bulb died, and I had to replace it, which, of course took two hands. On one vertical waterfall ice climb, I severed my climbing rope with my crampon front point. The rope was held together with threads, so I could tie a quick loop to avoid finishing the pitch with no protection.
@@denniscliff2071respect
Just rich people buying $100,000 selfies. Disgusting.
But this climber did it on his own. He stood alone on the top.
Do they count Sherpas as climbers? If so there are less Sherpas I would think, per group that is. Probably rarer to see large expeditions on K2 because of the cost, I hope the one in four doesn't count Sherpas, but it makes sense since they take the biggest risks. My prayers go out to all that have lost their lives, and that includes the Sherpas who don't do it for ego, but to feed their families.
that intro music though
Who ever gets lost on the mountain should stay there alone forever
Am I the only one seeing a resemblance of a face in 1:36 ?🥶
Sad and tragic as these stories are bit should be accepted that if you die somewhere so dangerous, your body should remain there.
K2 is not for the faint of heart
If you go up an extreme mountain you should not expect anyone else to risk their lives for your dead body.
is there a longer version of the intromusic?
Losing your life on a mountain because your ego has morphed into a fatal illness is exactly as stupid as diving to the Titanic in a homemade tin can.
But it's these guys that make a progress for the humanity, not a couch warrior like you.
Great comparison!
I think both are just crazy.
Have zero desire to do either.
It's good, eliminate the stupid!
@@schoolsfan3719one will no longer be an option! Damn he was a mad man with too much money and an enormous ego.
Carbon Graphite can.
I was thinking that a lot of people are going to decide faster now with the Netflix series/documentary "Aftershock"
Thanks for letting me know that 25% is 1 out of 4 people, didnt know that 👍
You can see the curvature of the Earth at the beach .
You can see it on Hwy 70 coming out of Kansas into Colorado as well.
No.
one of the sad parts of this generation is the loss of the frontier.
You mean the lost of common sense?
@@MsMaxine306 You're not wrong but explorers all throughout history probably lacked common sense when they set off into the unknown. The sad thing here is people are starved for adventure but there isn't really anything new to explore. K2/Everest aren't really even accomplishments anymore. We are a gap generation. The frontiers on earth are all realistically explored, and we aren't able to get to space yet. I think that affects people.
@@philasoma Climbing mountains has nothing to do with the desire for exploration. It is simply about the satisfaction of overcoming a challenge. Its the same reason people engage in any other sport.
can anyone write the name of the melody that plays in the intro? Please!
And thanks for the interesting videos!
I don't think any bodies should be recovered, I would never go there myself
But K2 is nothing like Everest. It's a killer mountain. That bottleneck is terrifying!
Shouldn't be boozing up there anyway
I like the pretty colors of their little suits😍
Only essential supplies are carried by climbers to base camp 5:50 including LIVE chickens!?
If you don't have the skills, don't go up there. If you do have the skils, don't go up there.
The only problem i have with this video is at 4:15 he seems to attribute fisheye lens with almost being able to see the curvature of the earth lol
The curvature of the Earth actually becomes noticeable at around 10,000 meters. So it would almost be visible at the peak (~8000m), as he said in the video.
Why take the risk of descending alone
Keep climbing those mountains. Darwin awards abound.
? Most mountaineers are well educated. Or a dirt bag from well educated backgrounds and families. If you're talking about the damn tourists have at them.
Yo momma is Darwin awards abound
Any amount of supplies can be taken in if you can afford it.
Imagine risking your life for a dead body.
😆
The governments issuing permits should probably have an age limit, but then again, im watching this in bed eating pizza.
I’ve found an update on the gofundme campaign:
« 18 juillet 2023
par Danielle Bonnington, Organisateur
The following has been very difficult to write, hence my delay.
Despite the most incredible efforts of the team in Pakistan, Matthew’s body was unable to be recovered and buried in February, despite our great hope and the incredible efforts of the team.
The great mountain K2 has decided to keep Matthew. The avalanche and amount of snow that covered his body after his accident almost a year ago was too significant. It was simply impossible under the circumstances to find him. »
"The great mountain K2 has decided to keep Matthew." 😆😆 Humans are hilarious
The climbers should themselves state to their loved ones what they want done with their bodies should they die! Fully knowing the great risk, they should cover every detail and hopefully, in an unselfish way.
Close the mountain down!
1:35 OMG look at the face on the mountain in central area, I cant unsee it!
The thing about mountains like k2 is you could have all the experience in the world and still die. This place is no joke.
families don’t seem to understand how difficult, expensive and pretty much impossible it is to carry a dead body down a mountain. I can sympathize with them but why?
"but shortly after that message, Matt would tragically never be heard from again".... ...wait, what? 09:30
Immediately after the message, he would be heard of again, but then, moments later, he would never be heard of again. Um.
@@stevecarter8810 Until after he was not heard from, then he was never heard from again.
As it turns out, even much later he would never be heard from again.
@@NondescriptMammal oh God. It happened more than once? He was never heard from again *again*?
@@NondescriptMammal Yes, but even today, after all this time, he has never been heard from again.