Great vid Greg, I discovered the very same thing this past summer that balanced finger pressure definitely has an effect on my accuracy. You have an absolute no nonsense approach to your teachings, appreciate your passion. 🇨🇦
I am planning to take up archery again. I think that I will try your 3 under balanced method. Thanks for the hard work and number crunching for the test. As they say the proof is in the pudding.
Completely in agreement. I've been attempting to shoot your balance string grip for some time. I tend to fade off of focus and think of direct pressure to and away from my intended target, so if I do my part groups definitely shrink. Thank you for your ability to communicate what takes place as you release sure helps me break down my shot sequence.
I was at the range yesterday and stumbled across this finger pressure , balanced approach. Felt more comfortable, consistent, and accurate for me. I was an index heavy shooter but not anymore! Great video.
Love the video Greg. And I noticed after watching it that's the way I'm shooting quite a while now. Maybe even more balanced with pressure on all three fingers. It just feels natural and consistent to me. Greetings from Germany
I used to shoot a PSE Laser Magnum with fingers. I shot split fingers. But after awhile, I started taking my index finger off the string and pointing it at the target, so I guess I shot 2 under, and that works pretty well for me. I don't really know what percentage pressure I am applying with each finger, but I will try to figure it out the next time I shoot. Someone put one of your videos on TradTalk and that's how I found you. I really appreciate your videos, you do a great job on them. Thank you for taking the time to help us.
I was shooting the other day. And noticed that I felt balanced my two fingers like you say I shot better. It was getting dark And I didn’t have time to mess with it some more. It rained all day today and I didn’t get to try it. I was glad to see your video. Did answer some questions.
I guess I shoot balanced, split finger. Did some experiments a long while ago, when I began thinking about my fingers on the string. This was the most natural way so I stuck with it.
Very interesting video Greg ... I myself have just naturally using split finger feel comfortable at about 20 40 40. I know that it's weird that I have so much on my ring finger, but it feels best, and I seem to shoot a lot better that way So I was happy to see a different finger pressure than the standard work better for someone else as well.
Hi Greg! These are fascinating results. I think we all appreciate your scientific approach to these topics. Next time I shoot I'll have to pay attention to finger-pressure. I have a question on aiming, and I'm hoping you can help. I'm a trad archer who gap aims. I shoot 3-under. So here it is: With my usual setup I'm on point at 20 yards. Let's say that at 30 yards, I need to compensate for a 2 inch gap over the bull's eye (not real numbers here). When I aim, in this situation, I'm tempted to simply move my bow arm (maybe .5 inch up?) to aim. But I believe the 'theory' says that I should move at the hips, and keep everything else immobile, as to not affect my draw length by moving my bow arm. But moving at the hips in this situation feels awkward and unnatural (and usually leads to a poor shot). I totally understand the "hunter in the tree with a deer immediately below" scenario, in which case, yes, accounting for that steep angle using only the bow arm would definitely result in a wild change in effective draw length. But is this type of gymnastics necessary for a small (.5 to maybe 1 inch?) adjustment up or down when the shooter and target are 'at level'? I hope the question makes sense! I appreciate you sharing all your findings with us, and I love the channel. Cheers from Canada!
Moving the bow arm a small amount is not going to hurt. Your set up will determine how much you will have to move. I put my bow and arrow on target then draw. That way I have no need to move. When it come time to move, don't think about how to move, just move and your body will do the best method. You don't think about how to grab a glass of water, you just do it. Same thing. Sorry for the delay, crazy schedule at work and no wifi.
I really enjoyed the video and I understand all the points that you made but how can you determine through each and every shot that you were applying the same pressure with each and every finger. Does that not go back to concentrating too much on your technique instead of just shooting or did it just feel more natural to you. thanks again Greg take care my friend and God bless. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
Was not as hard as you might think. I set the pressure when I first hooked the string, and really did not have to think about it after that, I was aware of the feel though. Each has a very different feel to them.
Three under isn't traditional archery. Trad arrows didn't have nocks that gripped the string. Trad releases held the arrow ON the string, you can't do that with three under and no string nock.
I beg to differ in the US, three under was used by some Native American tribes. In fact it is also called the Apache Draw. Nicks have been used for thousands of years.
First I wanna say I really kike the channel and I have been watching it for a while and I just subscribed. With that said, Although this is interesting, the fact that you make it look like a scientific experiment is entertaining since it is not science and the experiment unreliable and with no validity because there is no way to measure the actual percentage of finger pressure, other than your subjective feeling of pressure. Either way it is very useful to bring attention to the pressure on each finger and I never though about it, so thank you!
Let me first say, thank you for subscribing. You wrote that this is “not scientific”. I beg to differ, the scientific method is what I used: first, I made an observation, then I made a hypothesis, then I made test to see if the hypothesis was valid. That is the scientific method. The test were to see if what I observed was really happening. You say the test was “unreliable” and had “no validity”, again I disagree, these were not test to prove why something occurs, rather, they were test to see if what I observed was really happening. If you listened closely, I never said or spoke in an absolute about the test, I used terms “appears”, and “looks like”. Like I stated earlier, these test were done to see if my observation and hypothesis were sound enough so warrant further study. Finally, if you have been watching for a while, you would know that I have never claimed these to be anything more than “backyard science”. No one, and I mean no one does any testing in archery (outside of university students) that would fully pass the scientific standard. With that said, I do and test what I can with what I have and use that information to base my to form my opinion on what is possibly causing me to shoot the way I do.
Hi Greg! Great that you pointed it out. I shoot with the balanced, only split finger, from my Great Plains longbow and it works best for me on that bow. Three under is my favourite method, however, but the Great Plains doesn't seem to like it. Maybe it's designed more for split finger shooting. Do you think it's a good idea to shoot three under from a bow designed for split finger? Thanks! Luke
@@TradArchery101 Because of You I got myself a Ben Pearson Golden Sovereign Prince from 1967. Did not know what I was buying, and the seller did not know what he was selling. But it shoots great!
Great vid Greg, I discovered the very same thing this past summer that balanced finger pressure definitely has an effect on my accuracy. You have an absolute no nonsense approach to your teachings, appreciate your passion.
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Thanks for this Greg. Just done 2 hours of 40,40,20 and it works better for me indeed.
I am planning to take up archery again. I think that I will try your 3 under balanced method. Thanks for the hard work and number crunching for the test. As they say the proof is in the pudding.
That was a great video, I'll have to try that test out for myself to see what improvements I can make , thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Completely in agreement. I've been attempting to shoot your balance string grip for some time. I tend to fade off of focus and think of direct pressure to and away from my intended target, so if I do my part groups definitely shrink. Thank you for your ability to communicate what takes place as you release sure helps me break down my shot sequence.
Great channel ,,, learning a lot here as i am new to the BOW ,, thank you ,,, Greetings from Ireland.
I wouldn't believe each and every dude telling me that story, but you I trust. 😉 Very methodical approach. Thank you! 👍
Great test Greg. I ve been playing with this for the last few shooting sessions. Love your videos!
Thank you Greg! I am gonna try it tomorrow 👍🏻
I was at the range yesterday and stumbled across this finger pressure , balanced approach. Felt more comfortable, consistent, and accurate for me. I was an index heavy shooter but not anymore! Great video.
Love the video Greg.
And I noticed after watching it that's the way I'm shooting quite a while now. Maybe even more balanced with pressure on all three fingers.
It just feels natural and consistent to me.
Greetings from Germany
I used to shoot a PSE Laser Magnum with fingers. I shot split fingers. But after awhile, I started taking my index finger off the string and pointing it at the target, so I guess I shot 2 under, and that works pretty well for me. I don't really know what percentage pressure I am applying with each finger, but I will try to figure it out the next time I shoot. Someone put one of your videos on TradTalk and that's how I found you. I really appreciate your videos, you do a great job on them. Thank you for taking the time to help us.
I was shooting the other day. And noticed that I felt balanced my two fingers like you say I shot better. It was getting dark And I didn’t have time to mess with it some more. It rained all day today and I didn’t get to try it. I was glad to see your video. Did answer some questions.
I guess I shoot balanced, split finger. Did some experiments a long while ago, when I began thinking about my fingers on the string. This was the most natural way so I stuck with it.
Very interesting video Greg ... I myself have just naturally using split finger feel comfortable at about 20 40 40. I know that it's weird that I have so much on my ring finger, but it feels best, and I seem to shoot a lot better that way
So I was happy to see a different finger pressure than the standard work better for someone else as well.
Came to the same conclusion a few years back - 45/45/10 was the best for my consistent accuracy and good arrow flight.
Interesting
Still prefer split finger been trying more three under.
Hi Greg! These are fascinating results. I think we all appreciate your scientific approach to these topics. Next time I shoot I'll have to pay attention to finger-pressure.
I have a question on aiming, and I'm hoping you can help. I'm a trad archer who gap aims. I shoot 3-under. So here it is: With my usual setup I'm on point at 20 yards.
Let's say that at 30 yards, I need to compensate for a 2 inch gap over the bull's eye (not real numbers here). When I aim, in this situation, I'm tempted to simply move my bow arm (maybe .5 inch up?) to aim. But I believe the 'theory' says that I should move at the hips, and keep everything else immobile, as to not affect my draw length by moving my bow arm. But moving at the hips in this situation feels awkward and unnatural (and usually leads to a poor shot). I totally understand the "hunter in the tree with a deer immediately below" scenario, in which case, yes, accounting for that steep angle using only the bow arm would definitely result in a wild change in effective draw length. But is this type of gymnastics necessary for a small (.5 to maybe 1 inch?) adjustment up or down when the shooter and target are 'at level'? I hope the question makes sense! I appreciate you sharing all your findings with us, and I love the channel. Cheers from Canada!
Moving the bow arm a small amount is not going to hurt. Your set up will determine how much you will have to move. I put my bow and arrow on target then draw. That way I have no need to move. When it come time to move, don't think about how to move, just move and your body will do the best method. You don't think about how to grab a glass of water, you just do it. Same thing. Sorry for the delay, crazy schedule at work and no wifi.
@@TradArchery101 Awesome Greg, many thanks for taking the time to answer. Merry Xmas from north of the border!
I really enjoyed the video and I understand all the points that you made but how can you determine through each and every shot that you were applying the same pressure with each and every finger. Does that not go back to concentrating too much on your technique instead of just shooting or did it just feel more natural to you. thanks again Greg take care my friend and God bless. 👍🏼🏹🇺🇸
Was not as hard as you might think. I set the pressure when I first hooked the string, and really did not have to think about it after that, I was aware of the feel though. Each has a very different feel to them.
So how does your elbow position change with each? I'm guessing the balance one, your elbow is lower
I really struggle keeping the ringfinger on low pressure
Me too. I think the big thing is to just be consistent.
Three under isn't traditional archery. Trad arrows didn't have nocks that gripped the string. Trad releases held the arrow ON the string, you can't do that with three under and no string nock.
I beg to differ in the US, three under was used by some Native American tribes. In fact it is also called the Apache Draw.
Nicks have been used for thousands of years.
First I wanna say I really kike the channel and I have been watching it for a while and I just subscribed. With that said, Although this is interesting, the fact that you make it look like a scientific experiment is entertaining since it is not science and the experiment unreliable and with no validity because there is no way to measure the actual percentage of finger pressure, other than your subjective feeling of pressure. Either way it is very useful to bring attention to the pressure on each finger and I never though about it, so thank you!
Let me first say, thank you for subscribing.
You wrote that this is “not scientific”. I beg to differ, the scientific method is what I used: first, I made an observation, then I made a hypothesis, then I made test to see if the hypothesis was valid. That is the scientific method. The test were to see if what I observed was really happening.
You say the test was “unreliable” and had “no validity”, again I disagree, these were not test to prove why something occurs, rather, they were test to see if what I observed was really happening.
If you listened closely, I never said or spoke in an absolute about the test, I used terms “appears”, and “looks like”. Like I stated earlier, these test were done to see if my observation and hypothesis were sound enough so warrant further study.
Finally, if you have been watching for a while, you would know that I have never claimed these to be anything more than “backyard science”. No one, and I mean no one does any testing in archery (outside of university students) that would fully pass the scientific standard.
With that said, I do and test what I can with what I have and use that information to base my to form my opinion on what is possibly causing me to shoot the way I do.
Hi Greg! Great that you pointed it out. I shoot with the balanced, only split finger, from my Great Plains longbow and it works best for me on that bow. Three under is my favourite method, however, but the Great Plains doesn't seem to like it. Maybe it's designed more for split finger shooting. Do you think it's a good idea to shoot three under from a bow designed for split finger? Thanks! Luke
I do not believe it does any harm. I shoot three under with my old Ben Pearson's from the 1950's and 60's with no problems.
As long as You do not string walk it, it will be fine :).
@@TradArchery101 Because of You I got myself a Ben Pearson Golden Sovereign Prince from 1967. Did not know what I was buying, and the seller did not know what he was selling. But it shoots great!