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Engines of Union Pacific Episode 2, The GP30's (outdated episode)
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- čas přidán 19. 08. 2019
- Welcome to the second episode of this series. Today we talk about the GP30's. The series is based off Engines of Septa by Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions and Engines of Amtrak by AmtrakGuy365. This not my original idea. It's all inspired by those 2 youtubers.
![[RN][T-263] EMD GP30: Common Power on The Old Reading Railroad and the New | Trains 21](/img/n.gif)
To anyone that is reading this comment, this episode is now going to be considered outdated due to the bad information being given. A remastered version is planned to be made in the future. After the remastered version is released this, this episode will still be up on my channel but will be marked as Outdated.
I remember when the KCS switched cars at the mill in westville, I lived a half block away from the KCS main. It was the first locomotive I got to ride in....just in Westville though. they didnt want somthing to go wrong between Westville and Watts. or the giant Tyson mill between the 2 towns. but I was more than happy just to ride in Westville. the crew all new me by name. after they sold off the 30's, they were using MP 15's for a bit before they used gp 40's. at first they used 2, but after upgrades, only one was needed. I had to move when my step mother evicted my dad and me.....I was only 15. and never got to ride, nor railfan ever again. we moved about 3 miles away from the main. but those memories, it was like therapy, just riding and talking to Hank the engineer took away all the problems for a little while. my dad knew where I was, and he eveal times, and kinda got to know them. this is when he quit drinking 100 proof for about 3 maybe 4 days. most of the time I had a door to the outside next to my bed, I would sneak out....though it wasnt hard I just had to wait till he was good and out, and go the half a block to the dead end road where the switch was and set most of the night watching trains. he came down one day and asked him if I wasnt in there way, because he knew how I dug trains, and THEY were like worried that he would have a problem with me riding in the cab! lol
no matter what kind of hell was going on in my world, my dad did notice when he was thinking clearly that, I didnt have that blank, look on my face all the time. I was truly happy.
any way I will quit going down memory lane and boaring yall to death! lol I tend to drift about the bitter-sweet ol days on the KCS main.
You stated that the UP GP20s are "not interesting". You need to study up on the UP program to add superchargers to some of their GP9 fleet! UP ended up doing the primary research work that led EMD to producing the GP20. There were also "Omaha GP20s" which were several variants of turbocharged GP9s built at the UP locomotive shops in Omaha, NE. So, the GP20 DID have an interesting story on UP. By the way, when new the GP20, etc were first-line freight locomotives. Only after they aged and were dislaced by newer unit did they appear in yard and local service.
You mean turbochargers (exhaust-driven), not superchargers (gear-driven). All two-stroke diesels need superchargers to push air into the cylinders. EMD's turbos have both: the supercharger operates at lower speeds, the turbo at higher speeds.
@@Greatdome99 I thought the blower/supercharger was there to blow the exhaust gas is out after combustion on two-stroke diesels. My life has been a lie
Engines of Union Pacific will be on hold for the next few weeks as it's almost time for me to go back to school. I'll try to get the next episode out sometime during September.
At 14:13, it should be noted that the horns shown on these locomotives are Leslie 3 chimes, not Nathan P5s. I’ve personally never heard or seen a UP locomotive (even in historical photos) with a Nathan P5.
UP SD70AH No. 8952 used to have a P5A
This is 100% background music from railroad tycoon 3 😂
Railroad Tycoon 2 actually.
Best railroad games ever
@@ottomatic6432 you could release a video that is a mini EoUP video that briefly talks about the engines that you said that you would not be doing videos on, technically you wouldn't be doing "videos", you could do one video and it may get you a lot of views
"Take the A Train," by Count Basie, 1939, not exactly sixties music. (the "A Train" is a NYC subway line).
@@ottomatic6432 wow.
I think you're making a mistake about UP's history with the GP20. Their experiments with a handful of older GP9s are directly responsible for this first turbocharged EMD locomotive (GP20).
Also, the "GP30" name was used instead of GP22, due to it's "30 improvements" over the GP20 in the face of competition with GE and the U25B. It's an example of marketing ... the model number being 30 was higher than U25B, and that was the justification for the number.
Love the bit where you go through all the GP30 customers, I'd forgotten just how many lines there were back then. Cool to see just how many customers there were for the 30. I've still occasionally seen a few in yard/local service way out here in NW Washington with the BNSF, though the big UP Argo yard was being worked today with a GP38-2 and what I think was a GP60.
I worked over 26 years for the Soo Line Railroad Company and in all those years have I never heard anyone refer to it as the "es-oh-oh." That's a new one on me!
I didn't know how it was pronounced.
@@ottomatic6432 Well, you're a bit wiser now and give yourself "three cheers and a star" for pronouncing Reading (Railroad) correctly as so many people wrongly pronounce it "reeding." Informative history on the GP30 and thanks for sharing!
@@ottomatic6432 Will you be doing the SD40-2 or the SD70ACe's?
Just so you know, When L&N brought in the first GP30, The Western & Atlantic Railroad`s General was there.
My 25 year old autistic son was recently a guest on the Cincinnati dinner train. It is pulled by a GP-30 locomotive. Former Nickel Plate #902. He was allow in the cab and rang the bell and sounded the horn. My son loves trains and knows all about them and this made his whole year.
Thats awsome! So glad he got that experience, I still remember like it was yesterday my ride in the cab of a gp30 even though it was over 10 years ago.
FINALY another "engines of" series
If you haven't been told this before, tractive effort is the locomotive's pulling power expressed in the amount of weight in can pull from a standstill, so it's pounds, not pounds per square inch which is for pressure.
You should do a video about tunnel motors it would be nice also nice commentary
i love this loce all time fav thank you so much
Not bad, but I must add a couple points. The "GP30" was initially developed as "GP22" following on from GP20. The introduction of GEs U25B shook the locomotive market. The GP22 was relabelled GP30 simply as a marketing tool. GP30 did NOT convince UP that diesel-electric power was the way to go. GP30s were pure "second generation" locomotives. In the first generation diesels replaced steam. In the second generation newer, more powerful diesels were replacing older, less efficient diesels. During the 1960s there were two major factors 1) the "horsepower race" where each model had to show itself more capable than the preceeding ones and there was an effort to get rid of the 1940's vintage locos or those from odd builders. Notice that many of UP's earlier Alcos, Baldwins, and other odd types disappeared in the mid-60's. THAT is what U25B, GP30/35, etc were aimed at. GP30 had the funny styling because EMD needed to have a clean-air engine compartment like the U25B. The ititial ductwork was camouflaged with styling. Later the "spartan" hood would be the standard for EMD - easier to manufacture and repair. EMD's strong marketing, parts support from GM and liberal trade in policy allowed the GP30/35 to push Alco and BLH out of the locomotive business forever. By the way, UP bought the prototype "GP22". It was rebuilt to GP30 standards inside and was numbered UP 875. There are slides of UP 875 in your video - look at the side sill and the upside down blower duct on the fireman's side.
In fact, the "30" stood for 30 improvements......a marketing ploy as you mentioned.
That’s cool I didn’t know that
Sheesh I saw 8444 SD60M in that intro
I grew up riding on 844! I grew up in the city where that little train runs. Boulder City, home of the Hoover Dam. :') It runs on the weekends.
Nicely done... good info.
The unique roofline of the GP30 was, in part at least, to accommodate the raised electrical gear cabinet behind the cab...which was likely done to make room for traction motor cooling air ductwork below it.
Switching not shunting when refering to american railroads
Don’t forget to add Soo Line 700, I’ve seen one in Duluth at Lake Superior Railroad Museum in service
Some of the retired units were bought by BN and M-K rebuilt them into GP39M's. The 846 was recently sold to the Central Montana railroad and was rebuilt to GP38-2 specifications. The Western Pacific did order some to be delivered with high short hoods but EMD gave them a better deal with the newer GP35s.
Kennecott Copper tried to order a SD30 but was sold the last built SD24.
Rio grande's Two GP30s #3011 & #3032 Were used in the 1973 TV Movie Runaway! the Rio Grande message on both sides of each of the two engines got repainted into the Sierra Pacific message for the September 29th 1973 Movie: RUNAWAY!
844: hello
Also "8 4 4": SD70ACe are you joking me
Gp30 844: I'm taking over!
Steam 844: triggered
I remember these locomotives during my day Back when I was in my prime I am 60 years old now I wondered whatever happened to these locomotives unfortunately they were not preservable and all are gone now
Really enjoyed the video! Great info. Ignore your critics. You did a great job and will improve with time. Keep em coming. Loved it!
Hey you do know there’s another Union Pacific GP30 preserved right? It’s 860 and it’s at the Utah railway museum (although it’s just the cab)
Ah yes, railroad tycoon music. Good ole days
Also Gp 30 Cp (8200) 2000 is also Save from Scrap
GE Locomotives known to have more sensitive turbo charger. Meaning GE turbo chargers are known to be faulty.
I’ve been on that gp30 and drove it the one in the intro
To be honest with you the F7’s, E8’s and C9’s Kind a look like miniature version of the union pacific gas turbines except that they’re diesel
I think the GP30 was the locomotive that the Micro Machine freight diesel was based on when Galoob Toys Micro Machine division did a line of trains toys.
cool thing i to get to get cab of up 844 the gp30 one and it was fun
Nathan P5s were not the only horn used on them. There were a wide variety of horns. Some had Leslie R/S3Ls and R/S5T’s. Like you said, some had P5’s, P3’s, and even K3LA’s on some.
Okay listen, I couldn't find any information on what horns they had. I just had to assume because that's what they probably had.
I saw a picture of a UP GP30 with a Nathan M3.
I call the GP30 the other BL2 or the second transitional screw-up. The GP35/SD35 set the stage for what would become the second generation. I'm Ok with the GP30, they served the railroads well, I heard the inside of the cab was cramped.
@@LJRailfan-Gamer_07. Tavares, FL for SS 1030 or in use by the Central Florida Railroad Museum.
If EMD Had Made F Unit Versions Of the GP30, It Most Likely Would Look Like An F40 But With A Hump On top of the Cap & Be Classified as F30 or FP30.
Fun fact, bnsf 2801 is former up 827 and bnsf 2802 is former up 840,
Electro Motive Division was, uh, a division, not a company. It was owned by General Motors.
"Switching," not "shunting." Shunting is British-speak
Shame you’re not covering all of the Geeps. I’m old enough to remember them alll.
I believe the GP30B's were retired earlier than the A units?
Hhhmm? Oh OH OH LOOOK!! ITS THE GEEP GEEP GEEP
Before UP added a extra 4 to 844. Dispatch aaa which one is is the steam and gp 30??
Curious why they changed the horn in preservation
Unit 875 was the EMD demenstator unit ,which UP bought after EMD was done with it.
Yeah I know but I didn't know that until after I made the episode. It was an error that I didn't know.
Why not give info on the engines in the locomotives?
1961 huh that s the year I was born I turned 60 not too long ago
What’s the name of the song at 2:53?
not all GP30's were scrapped...while my father worked for the BN at one time in 1989-1993 the GP39M's started coming in....they were rebuilt GM&O, SP, Burlington, and UP....so a lot of GP30s got second lives, some retained their carbodies while some were heavily modified.
844 has a k5la now
You forgot that CSX also got GP30’s
Why not include these early units?they were just as important as the others!
I think as of 2015 BNSF has retired the last of the ATSF GP-30 and are now serving on short lines
They retired and sold them to LTEX, and then bought them all back and rebuilt them into "GP39u" units.
with the black strips on the ends some of the words were cut off !
Its Chicago Great Western... no "and". Please update for next version.
Hey Otto I know most all engines used by UP and Burlington Northen but Milwaukie Road for example I never knew what make or specks of them same with other rail roads the big Lines Like UP and bN Conrail SOO used GE and GM but Milwaulee and others were clearly differant brands. Most favored was the GM two stokers but i stopped keeping up after the mid 80s. I know they all or most switched from DC to AC in the 80s and 90s but not sure why.
It's not just that it's outdated, it's the the quality of the production (sound going in and out, use of screen text then back to narrating. Pick one.) Somehow what could have been a great video has been reduced to rubble by the poor quality and technical issues. Pull this down and try again. I likely won't be giving you a second chance. Sorry
10:36 That loco is stored in Cheyenne
at 18:23 your UP GP30 875 was built as a GP20, then rebuilt as demonstrator GP30.
note the roots blower(the bump behind the cab) does NOT go all the way to the cat walk/walkway.
this identifies this loco as a non-production(demo) model.
btw, if you want to see a 2 second clip of cotton belt/SP GP30s in action???:28-:30 in a music video. czcams.com/video/xxv2vF9S0bY/video.html this is from 1979.
Did most models have demonstration variants?
@@arrivedknight7632 ALCO,GE and EMD almost always used demo models in special paint schemes.
7:34 hey, what do you say!
875 is actually one of two demonstration units.
I know this now but I didn't when I made the episode.
Horsepower and tractive effort are one thing. What was the torque of the engine?
I don't remember. It's been a while since I made this.
Isis OSIRIS they are not one thing. Check your references.
I wonder why they don’t make b units anymore they would save so much money making b units again
Flexibility. A railroad has to put a cab equipped engine in front and sometimes there isn’t one available to lead.
at 2:51 the sound goes out.
What’s with the muted sound
The first train aclaly ran in 1961 because they had borrowed the emd version and they ran it with a sd24 in October
Oh, I see. Interesting
Whow,It only took you 1 month.normal,it 1-3 mouths
Okay, I just thought it would take me longer than I thought. I just thought that school would beat me to it. But it didn't.
9:13 You forgot csx
He did mention all of the constituent lines of CSX, but yes he also missed "which became CSX" after each one. Same with the D&RGW, SP and SSW which all got folded into Union Pacific.
And it's a freight railroad!
What’s the music at 1:26
What about csx
Tractive effort is NOT measured in PSI!!!!! It is measured in KPs!!!! That is 1000 pound increments!!! NOT PSI!!!
Where's the sound ?
It is me or there’s no sound.
without a doubt, the sharpest looking GP30s were the GMO locos.
RDG were second. chessie , LN , SCL were also nice.
here is a GP30/F7 story for you.
the year was 1979.
we were at tates point tower(big 4-CCC&STL) dayton,ohio. a west bound chessie with a blue B&O GP30 leading a Western Maryland F7 in red/black. (1979 was the last year for WM F7s)
the F7 was in reverse(the cab end was trailing). this track is the very old Wellston(OHIO) subdivision,,,,now mostly torn up.
wellston trains would enter the dayton yard from the south, then do their work, then head south on toledo sub to hamilton,ohio.
if you visualize the situation, this means that the WM F7 will be on the head end on it's way south to hamilton,,,ON THE MAIN!
we set up south of dayton to photo the train.
what appears?
,,,,,the crew disconnected the power,(in the yard) ran the GP30 AROUND the WM F7 for the trip to hamilton.
this positioned the GP30 running long hood forward!
CLOWNS!
they would rather run long hood forward on a GP30, than run in the cab of an F7!
I never saw chessie put a WM F7 on the lead. always trailing.
5:54...What??? 8:46...It's pronounced like "Sue". "SOO line".
Well how was I supposed to know how it was pronounced? I just assumed because I didn't know how it was said.
@Sean Embry Thanks for the information.
I think UP GP30 #844 UP GP30 #849 should do a Union Pacific GP30 double headers
That would be cool.
So, why were B Units made when you couldn't drive them? I am from India and I don't know why Pardon me :PP.
UP would place them behind cab controlled units with multiple unit cables and hoses in between the two. The GP30B with steam generators would be put into passenger service when needed to help out their aging passenger engines. UP also had GP9B's, SD24Bs, DD35s, and later ordered SD40-2Bs which was cancelled. But in the 90s, UP started to make some of the former MoPac units into SD40-2Bs. They would remove the radio, seats, water cooler and toilets.
@@bradleyogden5688 Thanks dude, appreciate it :DD
@@LJRailfan-Gamer_07. First time feeling sorry? I am from India and we had marvelous 4 Stroke ALCo RSD29/DL560C Locomotives here. Eventually, Only 2 or 3 were preserved while others have been assumed, scrapped.
As the FRA required a number of things on an A unit, that added to their cost. A B unit didn't need those things and saved money plus you don't need more than one cab for the crew to operate from. The only advantage to all A units is that they can operate by themselves and some B units had hostler controls so they could be moved around shop/yards on their own.
8:48 That's pronounced "Soo"... all one word
your UP F7 is actually an F9.
say the soo like the word soon but without the n thats how you pronounce it
A little constructive criticism. While you did a okay job, you need to do a little better better research on how to pronounce names. For instance -- Topeka [Top eek ah], Soo [Sue], Rio Grande, [Rio Grand, (drop the "e")], Gulf Mobile [Gulf Mo beel], Louisville is [Loua ville], Illinois [Ill in oi, (drop the s)]. Also Turbine is tur bine, not tur bin. A jet uses tur-bine engines, and tur-bin is something that you wear on your head. Properly they should be called GETLs Gas Turbine Electric Locomotive. But you did get Reading correct (something that most do not). If in doubt -- ask, and keep up the work, just do a little better research, and look up how to pronounce things, it will make you sound "smarter".
Listen, I think I'm putting this series on hold for a while. I feel like I need to do my research on this stuff. I always felt like I was rushing these episodes so I'm taking a break from this series. Also I'm aware that I said the names od some railroads incorrectly.
Don’t mind vocal inflection but going from a quiet talking to a shout is pretty unpleasant to your audience.
"Topia"???? WTF?? It's TOPEKA, as in Topeka, Kansas.
That was a mistake, okay?
@@ottomatic6432 no worries....
844 is gp30???????
What’s up with no sound
I had to deal with copyrighted music being stripped out. This episode is outdated and will be updated sometime in the future.
U left out CSXT
CSX didn't purchase any GP30's new. Some Gp30's from other railroads were given to CSX so they don't count.
Woo wooo wooooooo, u said that Penn central and many other companies gave them Too there prediser railroads.
@@AFLKProductions Sigh that's different. I was transitioning to some railroads that were still the same railroad even after a merge like the NYC and PRR. I also included the Conrail because that's where most of them went. CSX however is different.
I don't see what u mean, but sure
@@AFLKProductions Eh, it's complicated and it's probably better if you don't ask.
It is pronounced; MOH-BEEL!!! Not "MOH-BUL!!!
steam engines of the Big Boy 4014 I mean the big boy whatever they're called and one of them is the restore its name Big Boy 4014
You really need help with properly pronouncing railroad names.
Your intros are way to long just a FYI
They are ugle. Likeing the series
Very poor narration and music.
You clearly need to put this series on hold. It’s quite evident you don’t know what the heck you’re talking about. You can’t even pronounce the names of railroads, correctly. I just about jumped out of my chair when I heard you say that GP7’s, GP9’s, and GP20s were used only for yard service. Union Pacific used all of those locomotives for fast freight mainline service daily right up through the mid-1970’s. Why do you think they had so many of them?
That's exactly what I did. I might even consider redoing these episodes.
He does know what he's talking about! He did a great job! Perfect? No. He will get better. More videos please!
Bobert Bobert - you’re entitled to your own opinion. If that’s the kind of thing you enjoy, then knock yourself out. Your comment will stand or fall on its own merit.
Otto, study the proper pronunciation of cities, names and words you do not understand. You make YT, its creators and viewers appear very ignorant.
Yes I'm aware of the mistakes that I made in the episodes.
Hey Howard! Quit your trash talk. The kid did fine and will get better. Where's your video? Oh, you didn't make one.
Bobert Bobert I don't even remember his vlog but it must have been sloppy. The English language is suffering in this computer age, it's so sad. He did a good video probably, just needs to spend time researching the details. These things become record after submitted, mistakes are embarassing. I can't do it. I did not realize be was a kid, go Otto! You know your subject just polish the details!