The Atn 320 LTV 5-15 is what I had. Great picture image at 5x… horrible for scanning though. One night mine somehow became a 3-9 magnification and then lost all zero. After it started doing that and lost zero I sent it back and went pulsar. If you want a $2000 thermal go with the talion xq38 or Agm rattler. At first I thought my ATN was awesome until 2-3 weeks later when it started failing and realized what everyone was talking about. Buy once, cry once.
If your stepping up your game $2,000 is bottom of the barrel on a thermal ! Spend a little more and get something you can actually identify what your shooting at 200, 300 and 400 yards ! Otherwise you’re just guessing it’s a coyote ! And not a farmers dog or sheep or even a large raccoon…..
@@withoutfurtheradoforever I have a pulsar thermion 2 without the rangefinder, it’s crystal clear and you can easily identify a cat or skunk out at 600 + yards , picked mine up at scheels sporting goods with a discount card for $4600 .
I doubt Gavin is out there shooting the neighbors dog. I’m personally not shooting 600 yards at coyote or hogs at night, so identifying a skunk at that distance is just more than I need. Couple hundred yards at most is what I’m working with. But I too am a Pulsar guy. Pulsar xm30F monocular and a C50 Night Vision scope. Tried an ATN ODIN and it crapped out on me in a week. But I watch a lot of these guys with ATN, so it can’t be total garbage.
Come on now. The OP simply said he would spend a little more to know what he is shooting at. The quality at 100 yards is this video is absolute garbage. Companies pay CZcams channels to review and say nice things all the time. It's how they make a living. Ultimate reloader could of easily paid full price for this and is doing a non bias review. He could of got all sorts of incintives doing this. It doesn't matter to me. If I go thermal, Athlon's cheapest unit seems to have far better quality.
Glad to see ATN's quality and ease of use has come up. A friend has one of the older ATN night vision scopes. Personally, I went with the Sightmark Wraith 4K NV on a RRA 6.8 SPC rifle primarily for hogs. I haven't used it much for night hunting, but have killed one hog with it during the daytime.
Still window shopping yet, but this is hitting the price point to usefulness ratio range I'm looking for. Especially for my first thermal... ATN is definitely looking like best in class. And yes, coyotes (more than there should be) is what got me interested in this tool.
In many states, the largest caliber you can shoot with night vision is 22 caliber. Otherwise, I would use the 6 ARC. Instead, there’s a 22 ARC going together for that purpose. It should be a great combination. The 6 ARC gas gun is sub-MOA all day.
Regardless of the manufacturer, I would recommend at minimum a 640 core, especially for a scope. I have an iRay RH25 because I wanted the helmet mounted versatility but the extra detail is a requirement for me.
had mine for about 7 months now... in this video it seems to be you are using the 3-9 thor LTV which is misleading because title claims it is the 4-12 ltv. Anyways full zoom on any Thermal really pushes the sensor and will never be the best quality. I recommend for the best shot for accuracy the less zoom you use the better it will be. Over my use of the ATN LTV 5-15, it has put down anything I've shot at with the 5.56 AR I use. The only overall complaint I have for these scopes is when they are zoomed in the accuracy seems to be thrown off, hopefully firmware updates in the future can fix the zoom in Accuracy problem.
There are MANY thermal scopes that are MUCH BETTER than ATN for not many more dollars. Spend the extra little bit and get a higher quality scope. You’ll be much happier in the long run.
@@coldfront7914 IRAY USA has probably the best scopes for the money with the BEST WARRANTY. They have a wide range of models at various prices to fit any need.
I've used reflective (HVAC) tape for zeroing my ATN Thor. I get more shooting with the reflective tape than the handwarmers. The reflective tape shows up cold compared to the rest of the target. I've also found painting a black circle on cardboard shows up really good too. (Dark attacts heat in the sunlight.) I started with the 3-9 160. I could not zoom past 5 without it becoming completely ganulated. I upgraded for a Thor 4 640 4-40. Wishing I'd gone with a higher base magnification, but other than that I love it. I've watched our dogs out in the yard and deer in the neighbor's pasture. I found black hot gives me the most clarity/target identification. It'd suck if I shot one of our dogs thinking it was a coyote, Their collar is what I look for and in black hot, I can see their collar really well. I added the range finder to my Thor 4. I like it, but not having it would not be a show stopper for me. Its neat watching the crosshair move when I range a deer 500+ yards away. Not that I'd take that shot, though. Deer are always on my neighbor's property. I love my Thor 4 and go out most nights just to see what there is to see. Air planes flying overhead is pretty neat to look at. As for the LTV series, I am sure I would have been very please with their LTV 640. I just would not be able to use the range finder.
13:14 wow that settles it for me. I will spend more so I can make out what it is. Athlon's cheapest thermal, while more expensive seems to have far superior image.
$1700 and 320x240 seriously? that's a total miss, I can see where thermal might be nice without any snow or moon, but with those even an old Leupold 3x9 works just fine on Coyotes at night as with either you can see nearly as good as dawn/dusk.
You have to be shilling for ATN at this point all the time expensive top of the line stuff you buy and you all of a sudden have a lot of atn videos out? I am surprised you are testing pulsar at a minimum
@@ut_punkn1859 😂 yep I'll keep my $300 rifle, my $100 scope, keep getting my 6-7 deer a year and stay broke without this fancy scope that won't put food on the table. Plus enjoy my retired life at just 32. Yep I'm definitely broke asf. Or I just have better things to spend my money on🤷🏻♂️ To each their own though
Finally! Just a thermal scope that doesn’t have all of the extra crap that most people don’t even care about.
I have two LTs, the very first Gen and a newer one. Great value if you don't want all the connectivity goodies.
The Atn 320 LTV 5-15 is what I had. Great picture image at 5x… horrible for scanning though. One night mine somehow became a 3-9 magnification and then lost all zero. After it started doing that and lost zero I sent it back and went pulsar. If you want a $2000 thermal go with the talion xq38 or Agm rattler. At first I thought my ATN was awesome until 2-3 weeks later when it started failing and realized what everyone was talking about. Buy once, cry once.
Where can you find a xq35 for 2k. Thanks
If your stepping up your game $2,000 is bottom of the barrel on a thermal ! Spend a little more and get something you can actually identify what your shooting at 200, 300 and 400 yards ! Otherwise you’re just guessing it’s a coyote ! And not a farmers dog or sheep or even a large raccoon…..
What model do you suggest?
@@withoutfurtheradoforever
I have a pulsar thermion 2 without the rangefinder, it’s crystal clear and you can easily identify a cat or skunk out at 600 + yards , picked mine up at scheels sporting goods with a discount card for $4600 .
@wayne-oo Thanks Bro.
I doubt Gavin is out there shooting the neighbors dog. I’m personally not shooting 600 yards at coyote or hogs at night, so identifying a skunk at that distance is just more than I need. Couple hundred yards at most is what I’m working with. But I too am a Pulsar guy. Pulsar xm30F monocular and a C50 Night Vision scope. Tried an ATN ODIN and it crapped out on me in a week. But I watch a lot of these guys with ATN, so it can’t be total garbage.
Come on now. The OP simply said he would spend a little more to know what he is shooting at. The quality at 100 yards is this video is absolute garbage.
Companies pay CZcams channels to review and say nice things all the time. It's how they make a living. Ultimate reloader could of easily paid full price for this and is doing a non bias review. He could of got all sorts of incintives doing this. It doesn't matter to me.
If I go thermal, Athlon's cheapest unit seems to have far better quality.
Got the RIX L3 for myself for Christmas love it. Thermals are so cool hunting at night.
Very very cool build!!!
How much does it cost? You should say it in the first 30 seconds and list the price in the description.
Glad to see ATN's quality and ease of use has come up. A friend has one of the older ATN night vision scopes. Personally, I went with the Sightmark Wraith 4K NV on a RRA 6.8 SPC rifle primarily for hogs. I haven't used it much for night hunting, but have killed one hog with it during the daytime.
Still window shopping yet, but this is hitting the price point to usefulness ratio range I'm looking for. Especially for my first thermal... ATN is definitely looking like best in class. And yes, coyotes (more than there should be) is what got me interested in this tool.
Also referred to as "Hot Garbage"
In many states, the largest caliber you can shoot with night vision is 22 caliber. Otherwise, I would use the 6 ARC. Instead, there’s a 22 ARC going together for that purpose. It should be a great combination. The 6 ARC gas gun is sub-MOA all day.
Hi liked your info, however can you use the scope in daylight hours like a normal scope?
Regardless of the manufacturer, I would recommend at minimum a 640 core, especially for a scope. I have an iRay RH25 because I wanted the helmet mounted versatility but the extra detail is a requirement for me.
As I am new to this. Can you use this scope in the day time as well?
had mine for about 7 months now... in this video it seems to be you are using the 3-9 thor LTV which is misleading because title claims it is the 4-12 ltv. Anyways full zoom on any Thermal really pushes the sensor and will never be the best quality. I recommend for the best shot for accuracy the less zoom you use the better it will be. Over my use of the ATN LTV 5-15, it has put down anything I've shot at with the 5.56 AR I use. The only overall complaint I have for these scopes is when they are zoomed in the accuracy seems to be thrown off, hopefully firmware updates in the future can fix the zoom in Accuracy problem.
Dennis is a great sport.
How dare you use the words "Thermal" and "Affordable" in the same sentence. ;) Sorry, the 320 resolution just isn't enough.
I feel like the picture is very fuzzy for that sensor? Is this a 384 sensor?
To all the criticism directed towards ATN scopes. I have two of them, night/digital and thermal LTV 3-6x 320.
They do work sometimes.
There are MANY thermal scopes that are MUCH BETTER than ATN for not many more dollars. Spend the extra little bit and get a higher quality scope. You’ll be much happier in the long run.
Examples please? Thanks
@@coldfront7914 For the money, IRAY USA has some of the best quality scopes available.
I've been really happy w my IRay TL35 V2 also heard good things about AGM rattlers? $2800ish
@@coldfront7914
IRAY USA has probably the best scopes for the money with the BEST WARRANTY.
They have a wide range of models at various prices to fit any need.
@randytausch3519 Examples please.
Where can we get the brackets used to make the rest you are shooting from in the beginning of the video?
Good video as always. Buuuuut......never untorque things with a torque wrench. Always store your torque wrench set at "0".
What an amazing price…
…😂
What price, where?
I've used reflective (HVAC) tape for zeroing my ATN Thor. I get more shooting with the reflective tape than the handwarmers. The reflective tape shows up cold compared to the rest of the target. I've also found painting a black circle on cardboard shows up really good too. (Dark attacts heat in the sunlight.)
I started with the 3-9 160. I could not zoom past 5 without it becoming completely ganulated. I upgraded for a Thor 4 640 4-40. Wishing I'd gone with a higher base magnification, but other than that I love it. I've watched our dogs out in the yard and deer in the neighbor's pasture. I found black hot gives me the most clarity/target identification. It'd suck if I shot one of our dogs thinking it was a coyote, Their collar is what I look for and in black hot, I can see their collar really well. I added the range finder to my Thor 4. I like it, but not having it would not be a show stopper for me. Its neat watching the crosshair move when I range a deer 500+ yards away. Not that I'd take that shot, though. Deer are always on my neighbor's property. I love my Thor 4 and go out most nights just to see what there is to see. Air planes flying overhead is pretty neat to look at.
As for the LTV series, I am sure I would have been very please with their LTV 640. I just would not be able to use the range finder.
Good info! Thanks for taking the time to share that.
Use black electrical tape to make a cross on the target. It works great and no time limit.
13:14 wow that settles it for me. I will spend more so I can make out what it is.
Athlon's cheapest thermal, while more expensive seems to have far superior image.
Gavin....at SHOT SHOW you should have asked WHERE ARE THE PRIMERS...nothing in Texas of all places!
Small rifle are available here in Kentucky. I don't think large rifle are readily available anywhere.
Nice scope but I really wish you would pick a better place to film. Sorry but your new studio kinda sucks.
I think of you as a perfectionist. Why are you using an ATN😂
Are these thermal also good during daytime?
I don’t own this brand, but yes, you can use them in the daylight. It still works the same way.
I typically zero my Thermal on my neighbors dogs, instead of my own dog.
I hate to be that guy and I know this is nothing new. But that initial loud blast of jamming music. Geez
I can't watch anything gun related at night, wakes my wife. Not so much the video of gun fire, it's the loud obnoxious heavy rock intros.
@@alaskanalain lol. I hear ya. No pun intended.
$1700 and 320x240 seriously? that's a total miss, I can see where thermal might be nice without any snow or moon, but with those even an old Leupold 3x9 works just fine on Coyotes at night as with either you can see nearly as good as dawn/dusk.
I think Feds twisted Apple into the change???
Not sure what they would have to do with a good business decision.
@@alaskanalain maybe it was the EU, but I remember reading or hearing something of government twisting them a bit.
You have to be shilling for ATN at this point all the time expensive top of the line stuff you buy and you all of a sudden have a lot of atn videos out? I am surprised you are testing pulsar at a minimum
Lets be honest ATN is garbage
affordable not who's pocket book are into
Ultimate Reloader
Junk
ATF moment 1:14
$1595 is affordable? 😂
Relative to a real thermal optic, yes.
My buddy paid almost 7,000.00 for his , so ya 1,600.00 isnt bad ,, hell I paid 1,800.00 for my leupold vx5 hd
If you're broke af, just say it.
@@ut_punkn1859 😂 yep I'll keep my $300 rifle, my $100 scope, keep getting my 6-7 deer a year and stay broke without this fancy scope that won't put food on the table. Plus enjoy my retired life at just 32. Yep I'm definitely broke asf. Or I just have better things to spend my money on🤷🏻♂️ To each their own though
@@ut_punkn1859 I will if you just say you're a douchebag af 😂