How The VW Clock Spring Fails
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Happy Tuesday everyone. Today we are taking a look at how VW clock springs fail. I actually did a video a LONG time ago about how clock springs work. Today, we take a deeper look at the failure of this part. The clock spring is the key to connecting the electronics in the steering wheel to the body of the car. Cars of today have much more to control on the steering wheel than just the horn. We need to have a part capable on handling that.
Join me today as we break it down:
What does the clock spring do?
How does the clock spring look?
How does the clock spring fail?
Signs of clock spring failure
Diagnosing a bad clock spring
DIY or No DIY?
There is no common mileage/time of failure
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Experienced all 3 of those things randomly last night & this finally explains it all.. Thanks for sharing!
One of best informative video on you tube regarding VW group clock spring
I recently bought an 06 Jetta 2.5 as a fixer-upper--my first car in 7 years. The previous owner had a 3 page list of problems from a dealer comprehensive inspection and one problem was the horn not working and an airbag light. I used your videos to self-diagnose this as a bad clock spring. After 2 tries, I found and installed the right one (a parts chart was off by one letter on the first try). In the process of removing the module on the bottom side of the steering column and the other one immediately below the clock spring I got pretty vicious with it using a screwdriver trying to pry it loose--grrr… darn hard to reach clips! (Never get too overenthusiastic kids!) After the first reassembly, only the center instrument panel worked (odometer, doors open, etc.) The car wouldn't turn over or even click. I went a bought and installed a new battery just in case). Went back in to the column to see if I had left something unplugged or pinched a wire, and now after second reassembly, none of the instrument panel works, and the car doesn't turn over or click. I seem to be doing more damage than good. Could I have done something to either of those two module that would prevent the car from now even showing when the door is open? (The battery is giving juice--the alarm system indicator is lit on the drivers side door and the interior lights are working). This is turning into an albatross around my neck and a dark cloud over my head. Any advise anyone?
Great video. My clock spring was creaking every time I turned three wheel. The tech replaced it yesterday; today, my horn is randomly beeping. Back to the dealership tomorrow! No service lights or anything.
Thanks for this video Charles! I'm thinking this is what might be going on with my wife's 2013.5 Beetle Turbo. I got in her car the other day and when I started it the steering wheel light, ABS light, traction control light, airbag light, and tire sensor light all came on. The car gave me two faults on the vehicle status display - "Error: Airbag" and "Fault: ABS/Stability Control (ESC)". The horn and all steering wheel buttons work though, and aside from all the annoying lights everything seems to run and work fine. I'm a novice at repairing my own vehicles so I am not sure I will do this repair myself. Great video man - very informative!
Never knew what a clock spring was until I watched this video lol. Great info man.
Always saving the day man, love the videos!!
Thanks man, had all three issues. Hitting the picknpull tomorrow for a clock spring
Just watched this, how timely with a clock spring recall/service program coming soon.
Thanks for the info Charles.
+Chuck Ashton Thanks :) I am excited about this recall. It will be good for customers and us techs.
2014 VW Jetta TDI with 22k miles on it, horn quit working and airbag light comes on sometimes. Thank you for this video.
Really useful info. Thanks for the video!
Thank you,Now I know why my x5 got all 3 symptoms...Great info👍🏽
Really interesting!!! Thank you for your sharing!!!
Excellent, thanks for posting this.
Always love to watch your videos ❤ From UK
Thank you!!
Great video , excellent diagnostic tips.!
Thank you
I had my steering wheel replaced due to leaking fluid, there were two places that was worn. Can the steering wheel rack and pin exchange affect the clock spring that the horn stops working?
Thank you for shedding light to a subject, for someone like me who does not understand the workings of a car.
Thanks for the video, looks pretty clear that must be the faulty part on my VW Tiguan. From a driver point of view: airbag light on, buttons not working on the wheel, front-assist disabled. Technically, I plugged a cheap OBD dongle and made some diagnostics. At first I thought it was a CAN module that was faulty but all errors are matching the symptoms you describe, you said "Igniter" and it rang a bell. Will bring it to a dealer, I don't feel like playing with an airbag. Hope it helps someone with similar issues.
Raw code: 030231
ECU: 19. CAN Gateway Status: Test failed, Confirmed Status bits: 1 Priority: 2.
Raw code: 000434
ECU: 13. Active cruise control Status: Test failed, Confirmed
Raw code: 90001B
ECU: 15. SRS Status: Test failed, Confirmed, Warning indicator requested Volkswagen: B10001B: Driver airbag igniter
Thank you for responding. They initially said it may be a cluster problem, but when it was hooked up yo the scan they said it was my lock cylinder. I got that replaced and there's still a problem
I have seen lock cylinders cause that. But it sounds like they are just trying to throw parts on your car. :(
That was very helpful.
Thanks :)
Thanks for this video, Charles. I have a 2019 Golf. Cruise control didn’t work. They replaced the buttons. Didn’t help. The clock spring. Didn’t help (+ my steering wheel was put back on without proper alignment). Then they replaced the harness, which fixed the problem. But now I hear a rubbing or feel some friction when I turn the steering wheel. Not a ton. But it’s there. Is that normal? Could something be misaligned or crimped or something? It’s been about two months now. Thanks, Charles. I’m a new subscriber and follow the dudes at DAP too. 👊🏼.
Hey man. great video. I changed my steering wheel and my power steering went out. would the clock spring be related to this in a mkv jetta? since it's electric?
Simple but great info, although (me) being a DIYer, why is it important to know if the vehicle is a B6 passat or what ever model vehicle? I am lost when the import communities is trying to refer to that specific model "(B6)"
Thanks a million
thank you , you helped a bunch
AWESOME!
Thanks again,
My polo 2020 model was the horn and controls was not working at all.
I then switched my car off . Removed all the terminals on the battery.
Then put them back in place “terminals “
Try horn the car while it is off , “engine not running “
It horned. Put the car on . The controls started working..
It has been 2momths now , horn and controls not working.
I went to Vw , they told me stories..
Now everything is in order
I have a 13 A6 that the ribbon broke on mine, do you by chance have a step buy step on how to replace it.
Would a faulty clock spring cause your music volume to increase randomly when turning? That’s the only issue I’m having
hi I'd like to know how to adapt Audi tt steering Angle sensor. I've put a new clock spring and now my traction control light is on. so how do I reset it?
I got a sudden airbag warning and a crinkle sound of that exact sounding ribbon you pulled out like a tape worm. Sure hope mines DIY
2004 bmw 330 xi suddenly horn stopped working radio on off when visor lights pulled down air bag off.
BMW said it Clock spring and ignition switch
is that the likely problem One or both?. also a new airbag got installed about 1 year ago on the steering wheel .
I have a 2016 Passat (only 14k miles on it) and have the same problem You would think that after all of these failures the company would address the problem.
This is how dealership gets money
They have a recall on it.
Stealers this way make money brotha
I have the airbag and horn faults, could this also cause the windshield washer pump to not work? is there anything other than a faulty pump I should be looking at?
Great info video on the clock Spring. I have a 03 Passat GLX 4-motion - any chance you know this very basic clock Spring requires some dealer code reset or does an OBD2 tool justify if needed? Don’t want to replace and have more codes pop up. Let me know if you can. Thanks 🙏
steering horn don’t work and remote doesn’t beep & Alarm don’t work. Could it be the clock spring? 2015 vw tdi sel 55k
No dash lights
03591 signal horn activation sporadic 011 open circuit
What’s that?
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Hi humble mechanic, thanks for the video. My clock spring failed in a 2014 RS5. I was wondering if you know if the clock spring in the RS5 is the same as the VW ones that failed. I heard it’s unusual that the RS5 clock spring failed. Also, are there preventative measures to have a clock spring last for as long as possible. Thank you so much once again.
Any suggestions for a Traction Control light that won't go off after an ignition cylinder housing replacement on a 2010 beetle?
I have a low pitched "cracking" in my steering column but I dont have an airbag light i can use my horn and my wheel controls work. Do you still think its a clock spring?
Howdy Charles. Whilst a certain amount of caution is advised when doing any work on cars, the only precaution you need to take with airbags is to keep the key OUT of the ignition (actually me and my colleagues have changed seats with airbags with the engine running many many times with no issue, but hey ho! I wouldn't encourage that).
Neither do you need to worry about using an ohmmeter. In fact, you should. All the ignitors should read 2.3 +/-0.3 ohm - useful to know if you're trying to trace a fault without a scan tool.
Unless you're working on an old car with a really REALLY early SRS system, in which case, disconnect the battery!! Some dumbass manufacturers started fitting SRS that was always live even when the car was off and locked!!! Ford, GM, I'm talking to you!!
Thanks for the vid. I guess i'll be making a video on this myself. I'm broke right now so I was really hoping it would be something that could be easy to fixed without having to buy a new one. Them things are expensive. I feel bad for the people who can't do this kind of work themselves, having to buy the clock spring that cost so much then they have to pay a mechanic. My horn went out on my 2007 toyota tundra and inspection is due, so its not like I can just drive around without a horn, there's no way the inspection will past without a horn.
Nice. Thanks
I've been reading on all the forms about and issue that from what I can gather is this, BUT, I don't have any issues with my horn or anything else. it's just a clicking sound coming from the steering column. it sounds like a solenoid clicking on and off rapidly. it seams to not do it as much when the stereo is muted. this is on a 2010 gti. think this could be related to this?
thanks!
Great Vids by the way
thanks
Our clock spring went out. Waiting on part from back order. Car(2105 VW Passat) all of sudden car won’t start randomly. Can the clock spring cause this? I think it’s the solenoid on the starter getting stuck. Thank for your input.
I thought so too, that's why I wanted to get a better opinion. They are giving me the clock spring for $75, no labor (this is the Volkswagen dealership). Do you recommend I just get the part or just go elsewhere? I got the lock cylinder replaced through them and I'm still having the immobilizer problem. I kinda want them I finish what they started so this won't be a complete waste of money 😕
I have a dodge journey 2009 SXT. Air bag light turn on as soon as I start driving and stays on. I removed Clockspring and tried to test it and it looks good. Please advise me.the fix.
Can a steering angle Sensor (G85) fault affect the way the car feels on the road, ie. swaying, feeling loose, etc ?
Could a failed clock spring cause a short on the airbag control module? I turned my steering wheel on my 2011 VW Tiguan SEL and it clicked while turning and then the airbag light came on. The dealer said the control module failed from a short and I feel like an airbag control module of all things doesn't just short for no reason. But then again, I'm no mechanic. Thanks in advance!
hi . tahnks for video man. but i have still same problem after replaced part clock spring . b1801 b1811 error code toyota highlander
how can diagnostic ? thanks
Charles, if changing a steering wheel in a mk4 does the little connector that goes into the air bag matter witch way it goes in?
What about a 2009 GTI will I need to code it after replacing
My traction light and tire pressure light is on and i am getting 00778, p1698, and b11689 code. Do i have to change the steering angle sensor? Please help me out.
At first I thought you literally meant a spring for a clock - like, "they still use springs in clocks? :)
Here we call them "slip ring" or airbag slip ring (or they were when I was last working on them). If I recall, I think I had only replaced one or two of them back in the day. They weren't something that failed too often, but they were more basic back then and were only used for the airbag connections.
Ahhah. I meant to also mention that it has other names. some parts catalogs call it a canceling ring.
This is so frustrating for me because I took it to dealer and he basically told me there's no way it could be my clock spring because it doesn't control the ARS on the airbag , and I tried to explain to him that there are variations in clock springs and flat out said no and that he had been working on vw's for ten years and that I didn't need to advise him on vw's and there's no way a bad clock spring would make an airbag and ARS light and ABS light come on, but my thinking is that since ARS is tied to ABS system it makes sense that both lights would come on along with airbag.....am I right or am I just deeply confused
Hey, my steering wheel buttons and horn don’t work, I’ll go into a bit off detail as to what happened before, so we took everything out from a 2019 van and put it into a 2005 shell, so everything like electricals, struts, engine, dash, roof lining, flooring, ect… after we got everything connected to turned over the van and it ran, it also drives, everything in it seems to work fine except for the steering wheel as I stated earlier, would it be the clock spring?
Hi from Greece.
I have this problem with my touran and my mechanic says that an aftermarket part does not work correctly and i have to get original part which is pretty expensive.
Any ideas?
Is it correct that aftermarket part has issues?
Nice video by the way
Is it common for electronic steering to fail with airbag light on. It goes away if I restart a few times or clear the 00003 code? 2016 FWD Tiguan (USA)
I have a 2009 vw transporter (uk) its making a real bad rumbling/grinding noise when steering. It seems to be coming from just below the steering wheel. I only have to turn the wheel a few degrees and it rumbles... Ive changed all the top mounts. Could it be the clock spring? It really is coming from the steering column rather than thr rack or top mounts
Hello i have a 2017
Volkswagen Passat and of course I scanned it and yes it is the clock spring. Please can you please let me know how the steering come off? Where is the rear bolts or screws that hole the air bag on. Also last do this clock spring have to be programmed
Thanks for the info..
Bt can u pls tell how much a clock spring costs for vento 1.6 CR
Glad to help. I don't really know the price of that clock spring
I changed my audi a4 2008 b8 clock spring because of air bag but after changing it, esp and coil light is on. Do I need to scan the system again and how to do calibration?
How do you know when the clock spring is centered?
Dude I need some help, I've got an issue either steering light showing up, diagnose test shows it's the steering angle sensor error no communication, I have changed it already but it failed to reset, also that triggers the rear abs sensor not responding, I've spent so much already and it's still not fixed. Need help please
would the clock spring cause my steering wheel to completely lock up? not the steering wheel lock..but the steering wheel is actually not movable.(can't turn it)
or is that the whole steering column assembly that's bad? any idea?
hey í have an 04 passat glx and í changed all the airbags and the module but not the Clock spring and when í was done the car honked like never before but í disconnected it is so could it be the Clock spring ?
Both horn and horn alarm sound are not working. What would be the cause for this?
Is there a recall for this part ?
Hey Humble, I have a 2014 Tiguan where the we recently got a Red solid steering wheel indicator come on and stay on with the loss of Power steering. We have had 3 mechanics throw a scanner / diagnostic reader on the car and wasn't getting any reading to point them in the right direction. (1) Have you seen this happen to many other Tiguan's for that year and (2) do you know what would cause this so we can try and fix the issue? Appreciate any and all feedback, hope you have a great day Bud and stay Humble!
I need this guy for my vw thank you for the video. Do you work on vehicles ?
Every day
I retro fit a steering wheel/airbag from a different year car. horn & controls don't work or light up.
I tried to install my airbag that came with the car and the lights came on but the airbag won't click in. so my question is, do I need a "matching" clock spring to go with the different year airbag? please help....
Epc light turn on clean the throttle and it use have P2101 P2212erase codes then took it for a ride it seem find but it turn on again with a P2212 and started rev by itself when being stop and hard to accelerate
My steering controls and horn are not working after getting the vehicle through auction sales, no airbag sign on dash board, scan tool shows U108E. The clock spring installed was a 2019 manufactured. My vehicle is a 2104 VW Passat 1.8L turbo, is there any way you can help?
Hi, I've had a similar issue, steering ci yrols don't work, paddle shifters dint work
Thanks for the video. PLEASE help me to know how much this repair SHOULD cost from my VW dealer shop for our 2016 Tiguan? I am taking it there today and want to know a fair, ball-park price out the door. Any idea?? Thanks!!
Harold Miller hello Harold I'm taking it to the dealer next week for this situation. How much was the quote they gave u for the clockspring?
Just got a letter telling me the warranty on this for my Mk7 Golf has been extended. I guess a number of VW from 2010 to 2022 have had it fail, and VW will replace it when it happens. So I guess I got it covered should it ever go bad for now. But this is now good stuff to know.
3:55 Does the clock spring tell the car what the steering angle is? How do you make sure the clock spring is installed perfectly centered to the steering wheel being straight? Is it important for the clock spring to be installed perfectly centred? Or will it calibrate itself if it's not perfectly centred?
Generally, the steering angle sensor is separate to the clockspring and on the "car side" so, in short NO.
A new clockspring will come fixed in it's centre position. The column should be centre before fitment.
Yes, for sure
NO, defo not
Just replaced mine, ribbon was pinched which gave airbag and steering angle sensor code, displayed as ABS fault which real
I got the fault code 00573 - Steering Torque Sensor (G269) 008 - Implausible Signal. Any ideas?
My 2013 Passat TDi steering wheel is making crinkly sounds when turned past a full rotation, and the air bag light just came on. Willing to bet it is this
Why clock spring will damage?
I should really get a scanner, changed the rack thinking it was bad, checked the main fuse(thing was good didnt mess w/ it) guess im changing a clockspring tomorrow
Well my 2003 B5.5 horns do not work but when I push the on the steering wheel I do hear the horn relay. Could it still be the Clock Spring??
Not if you hear the relay click
Hi, I have a golf 2005 gt tdi 2.0 ... and my airbag, esp, power steering and traction lights are on. My local mechanic did mention all these sensors are linked together on the Clock spring so that could be the issue. .. will replacing this part do the job? ( plus the abs kicks in when I go over 60mph and puts engine into 'limp mode' because the other lights on dashboard are lit).
enzee01 It very well could be all related to the clock spring. The thing about limp mode over 60is odd. might be multiple issues
I replaced the clockspring on a 2007 Jetta and all the lights came off after a short drive except the airbag light which was on before the clock spring repairs , also horn didn’t work prior to repair, horn worked after repairs. Do you have any idea or tips on what can it be
you will have to clear that light. It usually won't turn off by itself
I replaced my clock spring on my passat b5.5 (3bg) and got steering angle sensor, went away to a workshop and got the DTCs out and the sensor was dead in the new one and also got "module not coded", switched back to the old one and still have the same issues :(
Great vid man.................and great beard.
+Jamey Summers Thanks on both accounts.
Ill have a 2007 eos 2.0T .having trouble off comunication to the ecu ..mecanics cant fix it .ill need some help for real .any shop in dallas .please help
Hi again, I have a question about where to get a clock spring for my '07 Beetle. I got one that "fits my car" online but the connections are different. My car has occupancy sensors and electronic stability control and apparently the clock spring I bought doesn't work with those features. Every website I've looked at keeps showing me the same part that I already bought, the Dorman 525-701.
+AxMONKEY check out ShopDAP.com. Or give Paul a call he can help you out for sure
Thanks for the great video. I have a 2007 Eos with a persistent yet intermittent airbag light.
01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199)
001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
The TSB regarding the wiring under the seat was already resolved by previous owner. I checked the wiring and it looks good. I checked the measurement value blocks Group [21] and the driver side igniter resistance is higher, 3.2, than the others (3.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.6). I have also checked, disconnected and cleaned the contacts below the seat.
What do you think? Is it the clock spring?
The weird thing is that it calls out the "side airbag". That shouldn't be associated with anything near the steering wheel, right?
n199 is the side airbag igniter. the one in the drivers seat. Check the connection under the carpet. Seen a few fail there. Also seen a few airbags need replacement
Bro i want ask u...clock spring glof mk6 and golf mk5 it same or not?
Is the clock spring another word for steering wheel angle sensor I have steering light on abs light on traction control light on and steering wheel light on thanks in advance and when I turn the steering wheel my steering angle sensor it stays at zero. Its the clock spring take away abs light away from that I think that's a different issue
Hi, everything is working in my 2010 golf but I have a slight noise when steering the wheel... Could it be this ribbon inside?
Hi, did you solve the problem? I have same noise like a friction. Please tell me about solution.
I tried to put my wheel back on and this just popped off and everything came out . I can’t get it back perfect my wheel clicks while turning .. could I just remove this and have no horn and air bag? 95 golf . Or will this mess up my wheel turning while driving ?
Thanks for your video, I guess the only concern I have and we'll, the importance of it having to do with safty is. If it controls airbags then why isn't this under a recall. There are several of these that need replaced in the passat alone and the manufacturer is doing what to fix the issue. I understand it's man made ... but manufacturers have recalls on things that are not that big of deal and people could really care less if it gets replaced. This part not so much.
Mine just went bad 75k on a ‘17 golf. The 15 golfs had a recall on this but my vin doesn’t register as eligible for the recall. I’m gonna talk to my VW service department about that.
I change clock spring in 2007 Vw Passat has to reprogram because horn still no work?
my 20k miles 2016 GTI has this issue. Off to the dealership I guess.
Really thru me, horn and buttons all worked tho....? VCDS solved that issue and the recoding. Used one from a wreck, works fine. Thanks for the tips
E Klein did coding fix your power steering fault too?
Don’t think I had a power steering fault, but everything worked fine thereafter. Just have to reset the calibration by turn steering wheel fully both directions and then turn ignition key off and then back on.
hi I have vw GTI 2013 2.0 i used to have water leak in water pumb and I change it and now my car dont go for over 140 km and I feel like the car no power like something hold u not much power can u help me with it pls and I dont feel the trupo working and people tell me need to change boost control and I did but nothing stil the same as u drive normal car and advice