Community: The Life, Death, and Rebirth of Pierce Hawthorne

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  • NBC and Dan Harmon's Community was an intensely funny and imaginative show - but it also brought a thoughtful, layered approach to its characterisation. In this video, we take a look at one of Community's most divisive and complex figures - Chevy Chase's character Pierce Hawthorne - and track his development across 4 (or, kinda 5?) seasons.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:17 Season 1: Pierce 101
    3:58 Season 2: Downfall into Villainy
    8:04 Season 3: Curmudgeon and Punching Bag
    12:07 Season 4: One Step Forward, Three Steps Back
    14:23 Season 5: Death and Rebirth
    17:03 Conclusion
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    Community centres on Jeff Winger, a lawyer, whose law degree has been revoked, and is compelled to join the Greendale Community College. Students of diverse temperaments join his study group which leads to quirky and memorable encounters. Community is an American television sitcom created by Dan Harmon. The series ran for 110 episodes over six seasons, with its first five seasons airing on NBC from September 17, 2009, to April 17, 2014, and its final season airing on Yahoo! Screen from March 17 to June 2, 2015. Set at a community college in the fictional Colorado town of Greendale, the series stars an ensemble cast consisting of Joel McHale, Gillian Jacobs, Danny Pudi, Yvette Nicole Brown, Alison Brie, Donald Glover, Ken Jeong, Chevy Chase, and Jim Rash. It makes heavy use of meta-humor and pop culture references, often paying homage to film and television clichés and tropes.
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  • @brettabraham
    @brettabraham Před rokem +422

    Season 1 Pierce will always be my favorite. The guy who wants to be seen as this wise man with years of experience but also as one of the cool kids. His attempts at connection throughout that season were, by far, his best moments throughout the series for me.

    • @Chiguy79
      @Chiguy79 Před 10 měsíci +8

      I'm going through a rewatch of Community currently and seeing S1 Pierce made me sad knowing how things play out for him, both on screen and behind the scenes. They really did a great job of making him both reprehensible and sympathetic.

    • @ziggyzaug
      @ziggyzaug Před 3 měsíci +2

      Honestly yeah I loved pierce season 1 the most a wise weird man

    • @mickbanner
      @mickbanner Před 2 měsíci +2

      Nah. Season 2 and 3 Pierce was funnier. (Less 3 dimensional but funnier)

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 Před rokem +193

    I’ve always seen Jeff and Pierce as alternate versions of each other. If Jeff had more money than he knew what to do with and got old… he would be Pierce. When Pierce pictures himself in his mind he pictures Jeff.

    • @jbard9892
      @jbard9892 Před rokem +18

      I always that season 1 Pierce was like season 1 Jeff when he was young. Successful, selfish prick that people gravitated to, but who was so entitled he never felt he had to put the work into building lifelong relationships. Obviously, there were generational differences, Jeff never went around calling people gay, but Pierce was the road Jeff was on he just didn't realize it.

    • @rheawelsh4142
      @rheawelsh4142 Před rokem +7

      As soon as Jeff loses touch with what's cool it's over for him, he'd totally come back to community College just to feel like he's impressing people again in his later years

    • @Faltron533
      @Faltron533 Před 2 měsíci

      After watching Harmontown, I feel like Jeff and Pierce represent the good and bad of Dan's personality. Jeff is always trying get rid of Pierce and Dan is always trying to get rid of his demons.

  • @Molly-ml1wn
    @Molly-ml1wn Před rokem +579

    What a fascinating Dean-Dive into the character!
    For real though, if you want to do more Community retrospectives, I've never quite landed on a satisfying justification for why Britta became such a punching bag after season one. I'd really love to hear someone smarter than me's conclusions on why she Changd the way she did

    • @henrypeters5291
      @henrypeters5291 Před rokem +72

      Not to claim that I am smarter than you but the real world situation is that Gillian just enjoyed playing a ditzier character. The in show reason is two-fold. One: Britta was always barely skin-deep since episode 2 and they merely planarized her. Two: the character hit a low point after the whole Jeff/Slater situation and spiraled. This is understandable, she put herself out there, got rejected and then spent the rest of the show trying to prove herself for things she clearly wasn't ready for, like her psychology degree. We always see her claim to be an expert at something but she never actually is shown putting in the work, and this is because she is trying to reclaim her self worth after being shut down by Jeff. The obviously went to far and I especially do not like how they rewrote her relationship with her parents right in front of us.

    • @williamwatson4354
      @williamwatson4354 Před rokem +36

      The best theory I've heard, it least the one that makes sense to me is that she's been smoking too much weed.

    • @someanimal3506
      @someanimal3506 Před rokem +18

      I always thought it was because s1 britta was too boring to act as for Gillian and not funny enough for the audience.

    • @fangal12
      @fangal12 Před rokem +8

      It was a nice Dean-construction of the character

    • @VeronicaLeasure
      @VeronicaLeasure Před rokem +17

      Same here. Britta's character really started to feel empty - not just cartoonish, either. I liked how she became more lighthearted, but the other characters seemed to develop while she devolved into oblivion. I S2/S3 Britta was def my favorite, but S6 Britta was uncomfortable at times

  • @gurugru5958
    @gurugru5958 Před rokem +389

    I like their surrogate father son relationship dynamic you spoke of. I think the shaving scene was the best example of that. They didn't do anything mind blowing, they just spent time together, talked, and enjoyed each other's xompany. At the end of the day, that's something Jeff just never had

    • @nicwinsteadart5330
      @nicwinsteadart5330 Před rokem

      Also his relationships with Annie, Troy and Shirley

    • @gurugru5958
      @gurugru5958 Před rokem +1

      @@nicwinsteadart5330 Well, with an older male figure. That's the important caveat that differentiates them

  • @writeralbertlanier3434
    @writeralbertlanier3434 Před rokem +355

    I always had the suspicion that Chevy Chase hated playing Pierce, that he wasn't comfortable with the character.
    Perhaps the best scene he had in the show was after the second paintball tournament when he gives the study group a little speech and says "I'm done with whatever this is."
    That had an authentic feel to it.

    • @michaeladkins6
      @michaeladkins6 Před rokem +69

      Maybe the Pierce character was too close to the actor. Chevy Chase was always a jerk going back to his SNL days and diva behavior.

    • @writeralbertlanier3434
      @writeralbertlanier3434 Před rokem +26

      @@michaeladkins6
      Yeah I thought that as well.
      Chevy probably got tired of
      playing a guy that had some echoes to his real life.

    • @byjackieolivia
      @byjackieolivia Před rokem +29

      I think it's obvious that Dan Harmon and the writing team began writing Pierce differently as their personal relationship deteriorated.

    • @writeralbertlanier3434
      @writeralbertlanier3434 Před rokem

      @@byjackieolivia Yeah I had thought that myself as well.

    • @YG-hb1uu
      @YG-hb1uu Před rokem

      Yes! That's the scene that comes to my mind the most too.

  • @writeralbertlanier3434
    @writeralbertlanier3434 Před rokem +88

    Pierce was from what I recall basically a man who had been looked down and ignored throughout his life . The episode where he watches the outtake from Hawthorne towelette commercial makes this clear.
    This is why the group sort of mattered to him. He is shunned and. rejected yet again and he can't stand it.

    • @yondie491
      @yondie491 Před rokem +9

      Far too many people focus solely on his jerkism, like this video, without going into enough depth on the causes of his jerkism. You can acknowledge the reasons people are jerks without ignoring the fact that they're jerks.

  • @shawndasheep4916
    @shawndasheep4916 Před rokem +52

    I love the similarities between Jeff and Pierce. Being insecure and trying to hard and how that plays out differently for the two of them. It’s got me thinking about how each one of the OG main cast acts as a reflection of part of Jeff’s character. Jeff and abed both using movies and tv to escape reality as kids but Jeff moving away from that with age, Troy being the natural hero Jeff tries so hard to be, Annie being as cunning and ambitious as Jeff even willing to cut others down to succeed at times, Shirley and Jeff both being people who need to people please and manipulate others, and Britta and Jeff both being so superficial and having a lot of shared traits for that reason. It’s cool how they all show Jeff and aspect of his character which helps him to learn and grow throughout the series.

    • @shawndasheep4916
      @shawndasheep4916 Před rokem +7

      It also allows them to enable each other in the toxic parts of those traits which is entertaining as well.

  • @TSDTalks22
    @TSDTalks22 Před rokem +143

    Pierce was always interesting to me, especially considering the behind the scenes drama. I think you’ve encapsulated a lot of my thoughts on him and his treatment as a character, good and bad

  • @fastfreeze0183
    @fastfreeze0183 Před rokem +93

    Glad to see you talking about community. Its my favorite comedy show. Because of how original it is and off the walls it can be. It also doesnt try to hard to be relatable which causes a lot sitcoms to be boring.

  • @shoeham7987
    @shoeham7987 Před rokem +74

    Love to see some Community content. I did always find it interesting how Pierce would often spend a period of time as really antagonistic, but then cap it off with an almost contradictarily positive note, suddenly painting the buildup to that turnaround in a somewhat different light (not that that makes him any less racist, homophobic, etc...)
    Personally, I'd love to see any more videos on this show. Community is a very character-centric show, so maybe more character deep-dives would be cool?

  • @beerwalrus2668
    @beerwalrus2668 Před rokem +11

    I think a lot of people don't remember/realise that, after season 1, Dan Harmon started to base pierce on Chevy Chases actually behaviours.

  • @Communiess
    @Communiess Před rokem +15

    We spoke to the director, Jay Chandrasekhar, who was there when Chevy had his tirade. He cleared up a lot of confusion about how it ended, he also had some stuff kind of out of order but it's been nearly a decade. It's on 6 seasons and a podcast. I think it's still the latest episode. He wasn't fired because of the n-word. He was fired because of his reaction to having it public. To the best we can tell.

  • @spinozatheobvious626
    @spinozatheobvious626 Před rokem +15

    So naturally this made me rewatch cooperative polygraphy, and you're right, it's a masterpiece, it's a turning point of the show. It may, actually, be the moment the show jumped the shark, despite your claim in another episode that it never did... it reaches a height and an intensity that it never could reach again. It's the only bottle episode of any tv show that I know that's endlessly rewatchable and at no point seems to drag.

  • @mudawott
    @mudawott Před rokem +11

    Its weird to me, I feel like a lot of Pierce's best moments are those moments where hes really trying to be good. Like some of my favouritr momentd of his are with Gilbert where he is still obviouslt Pierce, but he is trying. He cares and he shows it.

  • @aozf05
    @aozf05 Před rokem +18

    I love how you casually dropped "duali-dean" 😂
    Great analysis but I thought Chevy got fed up with the show because he was increasingly frustrated with how they were writing him as a caricatured bigot.
    I would actually like to see both whole season retrospectives and more focused deep dives. But if I had to choose I think the latter would provide more content.

  • @slashercat8649
    @slashercat8649 Před rokem +23

    I always thought he was interesting, but I wish he'd been able to actually grow more. It makes sense that he's like that in the first seasons but having actually development would have been nice to see

  • @TheDanteJamesShow
    @TheDanteJamesShow Před rokem +3

    I loved that you didn’t use this video to lambast season 4. As a newer viewer of the show (I didn’t get into it until around 2019), I actually liked a lot of season 4, and specifically the parts when Pierce shone.

  • @tryinmyhardest
    @tryinmyhardest Před rokem +23

    This is fantastic! It’d be cool to do deep dives for each character

  • @ashleytuchin7693
    @ashleytuchin7693 Před rokem +7

    This was a great analysis! You really made me realise how different he was in Season One.

  • @VeronicaLeasure
    @VeronicaLeasure Před rokem +6

    It was great when Pierce would whip out information like his quip about black hole Sagittarius A and surprise everyone. Almost like, hey, he's a person and has knowledge, but still sucks. It gave the character dimension before becoming a punchline. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Pierce fan, but other characters got to find their potential while he didn't. Which is fine, being that it's more realistic - some people don't grow. But he became a punchline so quick. Great video! Well explored!

  • @thomaskuzma4360
    @thomaskuzma4360 Před rokem +6

    Pierce was the biggest reason I watched the show when it first came out. My dad and I loved watching the Lampoon movies and this was a great show.
    It was Chevy's actions that made me dislike him and feel mixed feelings about the character.
    I was upset in the end how the show killed off Chevy, but once Elroy came in, I learned to appreciate the final moments we had with Pierce

  • @inc3000
    @inc3000 Před rokem +2

    Don't forget, Peirce is the one who brought "Streets Ahead" to the show

  • @kamek200
    @kamek200 Před rokem +23

    I think character deep dives would be a great idea, Britta would be super interesting to analyse like this I think.

  • @joburg2646
    @joburg2646 Před rokem +5

    I could see a video about the season's finales, what worked and didn't being fun.

  • @zaczane
    @zaczane Před rokem +7

    Can we get a video on how PAINTBALL is used by community both narratively but also metaphorically, and maybe what it means for the show

  • @ajax_galaxy1701b
    @ajax_galaxy1701b Před rokem +2

    The Vaughn tribute at the end 'awakened something' in me...subbed just because of that. Well done!

  • @jontoven2467
    @jontoven2467 Před rokem +3

    I really appreciate you making this video. I remember asking you for this character and you said yes.

  • @bungalowlogic7676
    @bungalowlogic7676 Před rokem +1

    Gained my sub for self-insert parody of Getting Rida Britta at the end. Really, for great character study of PH. Streets ahead!

  • @douglasskinner6348
    @douglasskinner6348 Před rokem

    I haven't seen any of your other videos (yet), but I love Community and your take on Pierce. A lot of people would've focused on the Chevy/Dan conflicts, so it's really nice that it was treated as a side note, while focusing more on Pierce the character. I would love to see more videos on Community. Going full into each character, season and episode would be great, and I'd definitely watch them.

  • @HeiressOfLoganbeeren
    @HeiressOfLoganbeeren Před rokem +1

    That was beautiful! Pierce is definitely an interesting character, and some of the heartwarming moments he had with Jeff definitely contributed to making Community a comfort show of mine.
    Time to subscribe, I guess!

    • @PillarofGarbage
      @PillarofGarbage  Před rokem +1

      Might be a little while until I get another Community video out but I promise more will come!

  • @nikkimos1630
    @nikkimos1630 Před rokem +1

    I absolutely love community and the fact that u are talking about it, I’d love to see more community content 👏👏

  • @justnone9809
    @justnone9809 Před rokem

    thanks for doing this video i love community so much love your ideas for more content with it

  • @bend6005
    @bend6005 Před rokem

    the song at the end is amazing...well done

  • @Shelbichu
    @Shelbichu Před rokem +1

    Cooperative Polygraphy is so funny. It's such a good episode. I'm glad that's how they ended Pierce's character. I never hated him, I always saw his role as the show needing an antagonist. He was very flawed but I liked him for it.

  • @itsrainingben8440
    @itsrainingben8440 Před rokem

    Have enjoyed finding your Community videos. More please.

  • @ericgeddes3353
    @ericgeddes3353 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I know that in the play episode Pierce wanted to butter up Annie so she'll give him a bigger role but I still think it shows a softer side to him that isn't often explored. The important thing is that more caring side is there.

  • @agent95_
    @agent95_ Před rokem

    This was great! Please keep it up

  • @Tsudkyk
    @Tsudkyk Před rokem

    I’ve been loving these community videos. The show is brilliant and the cast is perfect.

  • @nerds-nonsense
    @nerds-nonsense Před rokem +1

    this was amazing , we'd love to see a break down of troy and abed (very obvious we know) or season by season retrospectives, honestly whatever you do we'll enjoy

  • @thomheil
    @thomheil Před 4 měsíci +1

    I just found your channel, and I'm loving all the Community content. I'd love to hear your take on Britta over the course of 6 seasons. Thanks for the awesome videos!

    • @PillarofGarbage
      @PillarofGarbage  Před 4 měsíci +1

      Thank you! Stay tuned - a couple of Community videos planned for this month :)

  • @zanecords1821
    @zanecords1821 Před rokem

    Love the community vids!

  • @matiasaniano5133
    @matiasaniano5133 Před rokem

    The more under the radar stuff usually has freedom to experiment, and that's what I love, so keep doing these videos!! I loved this one.

  • @tansya603
    @tansya603 Před 2 měsíci

    I know im so late to this video, but i cant believe i rewinded 10 seconds just to make sure i heard "duali-dean" correctly. Great video, looking forward to watching a lot more (and more recent ones 😭)

  • @arthurvelwest5481
    @arthurvelwest5481 Před rokem +2

    I'd love more character deep dives like this, as someone who's made his own video essay about Troy's arc I'd love to see your take on it.

  • @yodcox
    @yodcox Před 5 hodinami

    Hey! Just wanted to comment and say I love your Community videos!

  • @catafer
    @catafer Před 11 měsíci

    17:11 took me by surprise. I loved this analysis! Pierce was very entertaining but also complex and not many appreciate the inevitable truth that there are lots of people like him

  • @JawnLouis
    @JawnLouis Před rokem

    Great video

  • @andyboie3333
    @andyboie3333 Před rokem +2

    Longer retrospectives of the seasons and deep dives on each characters stories throughout the show please! 😆

  • @ha420weednumber
    @ha420weednumber Před rokem +1

    The song worked you got me.

  • @sarojandongol1482
    @sarojandongol1482 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Man really said dualidean. Made me changry.

  • @mamatthews78
    @mamatthews78 Před rokem

    Love the character focus. Would like to see more like this.

  • @AntagonistVideo
    @AntagonistVideo Před rokem

    Loved the slick “seemingly at random” choice of words

  • @emmanuelduran4884
    @emmanuelduran4884 Před rokem

    I really like how you explained all the different angles of Pierce also I like your puns, bro
    When you said "dualidean" thats what got me to subscribe

  • @1notdeadyet1
    @1notdeadyet1 Před rokem +1

    6 SEASONS AND A MOVIE!

  • @laurentfortier5442
    @laurentfortier5442 Před rokem

    Great video montage, argumentation, and a nice mic. I shoudl've subbed earlier. Thank you, Pillar of Garbage!

  • @Nieztro
    @Nieztro Před rokem

    You caught me off guard with that "dualidean". Nice.

  • @bigsweetowl4487
    @bigsweetowl4487 Před rokem

    Honestly surprised to find out a channel called Pillar of Garbage isn't a dedicated Community video essay channel :P
    Great video tho, really puts the character in context

  • @Dan_Estreicher
    @Dan_Estreicher Před rokem

    yes, please more on community!!! i love this video

  • @Theconballs
    @Theconballs Před rokem +1

    Loved this! I’d love a video on the broader impact of the show slowly losing some of the main cast in later seasons

  • @VeronicaLeasure
    @VeronicaLeasure Před rokem

    Omg the outro song!!!!!!! AMAZING 👏👏👏

  • @hrishiv27
    @hrishiv27 Před rokem

    Character deep dives would definitely be a great way to go

  • @jmace2424
    @jmace2424 Před rokem +2

    The more times I watch Community, the more I come to appreciate Pierce.

  • @jessaminemanchester
    @jessaminemanchester Před rokem +1

    I'd love more character studies like this!

  • @Sh0nSpectre
    @Sh0nSpectre Před rokem

    Any video you make on this show I will consume and appreciate post haste

  • @Rekubot
    @Rekubot Před 3 měsíci

    omg, that outro 🔥

  • @GeneralLeia
    @GeneralLeia Před 4 měsíci

    I loved the dynamic Pierce brought to the show.

  • @zupik1894
    @zupik1894 Před rokem +1

    Hello! I would like to see such deep dive of each character. I would also like to know more about the behind the scenes, such as the issues with Harmon and Chase.

  • @cyananubis4304
    @cyananubis4304 Před rokem

    🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Community rocks. Love your Community content! Thank you 😊

  • @JediPrime11
    @JediPrime11 Před rokem +1

    How can you not love his mom turning into a Transformers source of energy! Ha

  • @ericgeddes3353
    @ericgeddes3353 Před 3 měsíci

    I'd really like to see more episodes like this.

  • @mitchellapple9184
    @mitchellapple9184 Před rokem

    Good stuff

  • @darkfruit2412
    @darkfruit2412 Před rokem

    great video.

  • @scherb428
    @scherb428 Před 2 měsíci

    so your username IS from community, im glad I found your videos LIKE

  • @rafireomatic
    @rafireomatic Před rokem

    Absolutely loved the ending music 😂

  • @justnone9809
    @justnone9809 Před rokem

    very very good video

  • @PaceFilmsProductions
    @PaceFilmsProductions Před rokem +2

    Community is a great example of Flanderization in action.

  • @williamjoseph6036
    @williamjoseph6036 Před 5 měsíci +3

    season two pierce was the unseen hero, he always ended up making people realise the better in each situation through his antagonism.

  • @nolanpagay3410
    @nolanpagay3410 Před rokem

    Subbed because of the Outro 👍

  • @Marvelous_Malachi
    @Marvelous_Malachi Před rokem +4

    I would love to see more community videos. I love this show and I hope we get that movie one day #6SeasonsandAMovie!!!

  • @zanehawkins7204
    @zanehawkins7204 Před rokem +1

    The mentions of season 4 make it sound like you don't hate it like others do id love to hear a defense of it

  • @babygorilla4233
    @babygorilla4233 Před rokem

    Subbing out of pure respect for the song. I legit have only seen one of your videos.

  • @raviwilson5703
    @raviwilson5703 Před rokem

    Thai is my all time favorite show, and I love content about it!

  • @aonghus7759
    @aonghus7759 Před 11 měsíci

    Very good

  • @ahmelau4887
    @ahmelau4887 Před rokem

    COMMUNITYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LETSS GOOOO. Loved the episode, would love maybe so review of remedial chaos theory

  • @annatorres5399
    @annatorres5399 Před rokem +1

    PLEASE do more character analyses for community. talk more ab the brittany thing

  • @whateven4675
    @whateven4675 Před rokem

    Awesome video! Vote for character deep-dives.

  • @TitleInProgress
    @TitleInProgress Před rokem +2

    This video was streets ahead (I’m sorry someone had to say it)!

  • @howiemoore
    @howiemoore Před rokem

    give us both specific videos and big retrospectives!

  • @robomonkey1018
    @robomonkey1018 Před rokem

    Rad you make some good points ill just go watch the show three more times all the way through.

  • @willy02001
    @willy02001 Před 8 měsíci

    A big reason pierce change was the relationship between harmon and chase. There was alot of fighting between him and aloy of others on set. Harolmon started to adjust his pierce character accordingly

  • @clements1991
    @clements1991 Před rokem

    Love that you snuck in a 'duali-dean' 😂

  • @faw6103
    @faw6103 Před rokem

    Wait.. did I hear “Duali-dean” at 16:27? Bravo…

  • @user-gx4nm8oq3l
    @user-gx4nm8oq3l Před 2 měsíci

    Would be interesting to do analysis of abed and his impact on the group.

  • @seamusb9012
    @seamusb9012 Před rokem

    It is interesting looking at how the plot narrative vs the meta narrative. I wonder if chase's behaviour influence the heel turn or if that was planned

  • @danielberg5049
    @danielberg5049 Před rokem

    I think it might be interesting to explore the Dean. I haven't seen anyone focus on him. It might be interesting.

  • @itcouldbelupus2842
    @itcouldbelupus2842 Před 9 měsíci

    I love videos like this more than ones on marvel.
    Good end song

  • @Robin0928
    @Robin0928 Před rokem

    I genuinely think that dismissing Season 4 as "The Gas-Leak Season" that the community does really overshadows how, despite the overall season being much messier than the first 3, Season 4 is at its best when dealing with Jeff and Pierce as characters. Genuinely, i think some of my favorite emotional Jeff moments come from Season 4's Thanksgiving episode as well as the graduation scene with Jeff and Pierce. Its the first (and sadly last) time we get those Season 1-esque shades of Jeff and Pierce's dynamic since Season 2, and serves really well as the last on-screen incarnation of Pierce and the main cast before he was killed

  • @t1redart1st61
    @t1redart1st61 Před rokem

    You should do a video about Shirley

  • @CalOkand
    @CalOkand Před rokem +1

    This video is streets ahead.

  • @odalicio
    @odalicio Před rokem

    Extra season and six movies!!!