TEKKEN TAG 1 Did You Know Paul Used To Be Garbage?
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Prototype Jack Hammer Punch: -7 on block, -8 on hit.
Paul Phoenix Hammer Punch: -8 on block and hit.
When you know you got it rough...
Mortal Kombat 11 initially had a move that was -8 on hit
possibly because there aren't any walls for spooky Deathfist combos
but who knows
Well.... He always had damage, because it's Paul we talking about.
Paul can be slow but he can never be weak .
He didn't have particularly good damage until Tekken 5 lol. His combos were extremely weak in older Tekken games, especially compared to Heihachi and Wang who both had Deathfist + plenty of other moves far better than Pauls
You know what's even more funny? Some of the characters in Tag 1 had 8 frame jabs.
8 frame jabs were a thing until Tekken 6 dude.
It gave characters more diversity and identity. Yoshimitsu in tk3 is also 8 frame since he is a poke character with short range. Jin has stronger jabs but 10 frame. Kuma was exception with 8 frames and long range! Jumping to tekken 7 i dropped yoshimitsu cause he feels extreme slow and switched to female characters since their movement is atleast decent.
@@djmj1000 not really.. i think universal 10 frame jabs are a good thing
Jab on block gives you 1+ frame.. so they can't try to interrupt you on your next move.. but if some characters still had 8 frame jabs then you'd even hesitate build jab pressure because their jab will come out faster than yours after they've blocked.. despite 1+ frame
@@holden6104 I thought they killed those in DR.
Paul was a goddamn T-Rex. 🤣🤣
Paul always wanted to be the beginner friendly, honest character like Ryu in Street Fighter, so that's why he gives up his turn after literally every move in TTT1 so that his opponent can get an equal amount of fun turns.
Makes 0 sense.
@@UndefeatableKing Yeah, why would a beginner-friendly character operate in such a way that one could only use him for a turn-based kind of play, unless by 'beginner-friendly' the OP meant 'friendly to an opponent who is a beginner'?
@@davidparry5310he was joking Jesus you two are dense
I remember Paul being terrible to the point, that he would almost always lose the CPU demonstrations, when you didn't press start at the main menu.
He also has the least health in the game.
I believe there was a: 100-tier, 105-tier, 110-tier and a 115-tier.
Paul was in the 100-tier along with Xiao and most of the roster.
Characters like Anna, Bruce and a few T2 sub-bosses were 110.
And I believe big bodies like the Jacks were 115.
the only reason why paul's death fist sucked is because his UUAAAA wasn't strong enough
Tag 1 Paul’s clean hit range looks like Eliza’s in T7.
My dad and I always loved Paul in earlier Tekkens, never knew he was this bad in Tag 1
Tekken 4 for me. Love that loose hair and his story. Also introduced Eric Kelso as his best voice. "UUUAAAAARGH!"
@@abyzzwarrior3305 Eric Kelso was the voice actor in Tekken 3 and Tag 1.
@King of Iron Fist That theme alone makes T3 my fav incarnation.
and it makes you wonder how did he beat ogre in the lore 🤣🤦♂️🤣🤦♂️🤣🤦♂️
2000/2001 feels like "a million years" to TMM... To me it's the opposite, like, how did those two decades just flash by. Maybe TMM has lived a more interesting life...
Now Knee used him for destroye anakin lol
Lars Alexandersson Yeah, but you still don't have buffs.
you really think Anakin got destroyed ?
@@neolog602 after switching to paul, yes
@@atmosfear2347 lol...bro Anakin made a comeback winning 2 matches straight so even with Paul he didn't get destroyed.
@@neolog602 thats true but the Comeback from knee using his chance in the very last round was just amazing.
*"HHHHOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!"*
Very funny sounding
Oh, I know, with this Tekken being my favorite one, it sure sucks that my main has one of his worst versions in it.
Jin "The Grandson" Kazama.
Eh, better than Jin, "The People's Choice"...
Yeah not to mention the club scene with Jim and Christie
Jin “ electric grandson”
It's curious that in that time when he was in his highest level, he defeated Ogre and won the tournament canonically
I mean, in Tekken 3, he was broken as f.
@@Adam7180 no he wasn't lol, he sucked just as much as he did here.
TTT1 Paul clean hit on d+4,2, reminds me something about Jin in T3.
Somebody remember about Jin 1,2 and b+1,2 ? Mysteriously the second one did more dmg despite are also the same string, animation and attributes, and ofc isn't listed on movelist.
are you sure bro ?
@@mshklh2099 Yes but i was wrong a bit, i will explain (if someone find it wrong tell me). T3 Jin's 1 is weaker than b+1, if i remember correctly it add 4 dmg and also the dmg buff works in every strings that start with left punch. T3 Damage scaling is weird like TTT1 ones. It's hard to say without a visual reference, but the dmg scaling is influenced by distance and char facing angles, jab at max range often do 80% or something that it base dmg ,also some idle stance of some char like Eddy or Lei make things even worse and inconsistent, more or less point blank distance or less than 1 dash hit result in a clean hit.
You can find out another examples in the game, that make me think that is not only inconsistent but also bugged :
Ex.
Paul's 1 (pointblank range) = 6dmg (120%),
Paul's f+1 (pointblank range) = 7dmg (116%).
@@MrOoh50 i can confirm things like this. Usually some left punches were faster but had lower range. Also you could often do a 3 kick with 3+4 instead for damage boost. This way law has a 45dmg WS kick! Depending on distance and speed you could get a 45 dmg electric of jin without counter hit! The distance aproach gives the game some realism since a move is weaker if you hit somone only with the tip of your toe. Yoshimitsu fubuki knee at max range did not knock down. But at perfect long range and counter hit it gave a free flash. Here some secrets: czcams.com/video/o18Fsfccrgg/video.html
i laughed so much at"maybe you think it will do something awesome on counter hit, No, it is -2 XD"
great video. yes he is disappointing, but can also kill you in 3-4 good seconds. Also you need to add to his power, his reversal-attack option. not many knows and can buffer a counter to reversal-attack (chicken LUL). its the ultimate block skill. not many had, him, Jin, nina, anna - as i recall now. You can shut down a game with 2 reversal-attacks. A huge power.
Thanks for making a Paul video. Been waiting for them
4:27 He should take a page out of tekken 1 king's book
"Did you know Paul used to be garbage?"
I mean, did you need to remind me of SFxT?
I really loved that game...*sniff*
Well, at one point SFxT Paul was ranked A tier by Justin Wong, so even at worst he was nowhere this trash. Although, it did always bother me that he had no command grab despite being ostensibly a Judo character.
Though it's not like Paul's throw game ever mattered in regular Tekken either, so I guess Ono was just being faithful to the source material. Paul is by far the least authentic Judo character in fighting games, especially compared to Virtua Fighter's Goh Hinogami.
@@Rangaisia To be fair, I don't think he's meant to be a pure Judo character, just a character whose moveset draws upon Judo to an extent. Also, his range of command grabs is above average for a Tekken character, and the command grabs he has are pretty good.
Hey... I played this game too and I'm 25 now i played it on the PS2 too i never knew they made it hd actually
Did you also know that Heihachi has Death fist as well in the legacy games? Why ever pick Paul over Heihachi? Especially in this game when blocking low sweeps would stagger, and the range is an issue too, I love Mainman's character review episodes we need more stuff like this in every community not just Tekken, he breaks down the characters so well and it's so easy for newbies to understand too, oh and Heihachi also had the down + 1 as well so that could be an easy 50% of your life gone, and it's just so much better with everything Heihachi's got going for him.
'Why ever pick Paul over Heihachi?'
Because Heihachi doesn't have the same scope for mix-ups?
'Heihachi also had the down + 1 as well'
Heihachi's doesn't lead to a mix-up, whereas Paul's does. He has the option of either a 4,2 or a 2 extension, while Heihachi only has the 2 extension (and doesn't even have that in all Tekken games - I think they introduced it Tekken 5). Moreover, Paul's 2 extension (in Tekken 5 onwards) can be significantly delayed, allowing for both hit confirmation and for putting the opponent in a position of uncertainty since they don't know whether the extension is coming or not (something else that Heihachi doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge).
'Why ever pick Paul over Heihachi?'
Because Heihachi doesn't have the same scope for mix-ups?
@@davidparry5310 Heihachi has d+1, 2 since tekken 1, where it was d+1, f+2. Like Paul.
They took it off of Heihachi in Tekken 6 when d+1 became a bound move, and he got a half new d+1, 2 for Tekken 7.
@@davidparry5310Heihachi is cooler so obviously he's the better option
The mic is set to "stand" so it's always Adrian's turn when he bonks it, I think is minus 9000 on hit xD jokes aside...Jesus Christ 18 years ago...Time to feeling old for sure, also no mic bonk, no love xDD amazing work as always
please do some content on Tekken 3 and its characters as well because I would love to know more about the game that made me start the tekken series.
My main since t3..never cared about how trash he was before t7...by the way what were the developers smoking
Same! Well, him and Kaz since Tekken 1, but electrics made me drop the other one. Anyway, T3 Paul is clearly the most badass character in the entire series.
Steambull1 t3 Paul needs a revisit . One of the best Paul’s imo
Dont know about tag1 but in tk3 he seemed much stronger? Frame punishment was much harder even if you had the frames cause hitboxes were small and you often whiff if being off axis.
2:00 starting real good, d+4, 2 not even a natural combo and -29 wow
4:30 his d+1 is on p.jack mode - makes sense, it's the same move but p.jack is so trash paul gets effected by it for sharing one move with it
5:15 He got that in Tekken 2.
5:50 i like how he just says m i n u s e i g h t e e n
7:03 lol paul.exe stopped working
7:36 "ofc this is -21"... paul wasn't just about giving up his turn, he was about giving free launches to the opponent
8:49 minus on hit, i get it for lows that'd be otherwise abusable... but a somewhat slow mid that's -9 on hit...
11:27 you just get 20 damage and nothing... meanwhile i thought he was getting blocked lol
i'm impressed they dunked paul into a pool of low tier garbage
Can you do Nina and Anna in previous games please?
Tekken Zaibatsu frame data is somewhat stoned.
It says his d1 is -8 and +8 on hit.
So you gotta check it out yourself lol.
Also some people like Alex, Julia and Paul himself have 8 frame jabs, so he could get punished on hit if it actually is -8 on hit.
You should stop visiting that garbage, especially now in modern times when you have all the social medias available
@@kain1144 how is tekken zaibatsu garbage?
Now a followup on if/how they fixed him!
4:51 That sarcasm is On Point!!!
Damn I love the sarcasm in this. Very entertaining.
one question tho,
Can I tag in the Grandson with a launcher from Paul?
Lol.. did you find the answer? Coz can't tell.. even though i played this game i never did the tag combos.. always used one character and switched when he was bout to die
Now this is a Paul version I like
Bad bad bad.. but death fist does HALF LIFE WITH COUNTER HIT… bad bad bad … hehe
Any king vids from other tekkens?
I actually miss clean hit properties being on like 50% of all moves
Hi @TheMainMan im just wondering, what is the meaning of SWE?
Sweden?
No one was good with electrics during the Tag 1 days.
He gives P Jack from TTT1 a run for his money in terms of how bad he is.
this game where are you play pc or ps
"What if we made our fighting game turn based?"
I don't think anything gets worse than Tag 1 P. Jack lol.
Tag 1 Wang and Jun were pretty trash too. Atrocious frame data, but I'm pretty sure Wang had a little bit of sauce
(UUUUAAAAA, UUUUAAAAAA, UUUUUAAAAAA)
They massacred my boi
cmon man some of the moves havent more push back in the newer Tekken neither. Paul is in TTT absolutly not trash, maybe not toptier but never ever trash or useless
His death fist never gets Nerf
please any asuka videoes!
5,dr,br any!
Deathfist should have stayed like that
I wonder if there are any characters from back in the T3/TTT1 days that have been consistently good all the way to now.
Probably Law.
@@5uomalainen Law in tekken 4 was low mid tier, but he was solid in all others so close to being consistently strong. Xiaoyu is also preety consistent only being low mid tier in tekken 6.
What about Bryan?
eddy.
Jin/Devil Jin, even just gong by the Mishima karate versions.
Are you really not going to discuss lei in tag 1?
this was the first tekken game i played and this was the number 1 complaint outside anything regarding top tier.
now, put this next to 'we made the next tekken based on all your complaints' tekken4....
I wonder how Paul managed to win The king of iron fist tournment 3..So we either have a clown of a character that happens to be really strong or a garbage one with better backstory, and since this is a fighting game i'll take the clown tyvm.
Paul was actually a lot better in t3. He was nerfed this game.
@@DumpsterBuzzard Why do you say that?
@@davidparry5310 It was the ps1 era, so not a lot of info about it is still online, but Paul in 3 had much easier juggles and his counter-hit damage was through the roof. I'd have to find my old game guides to remember all the mechanics around him though.
@@DumpsterBuzzard Personally, I'm not keen on comparisons between characters in the first three games and their counterparts in games from TTT1 onwards. I think of Tekken pre TTT1 as being just a totally different era. International Tekken tournaments weren't a thing and no one gave a damn about frame data. Since comprehensive frame data for those games isn't available, you're relying on a much less complete picture when judging the strength of characters from those games, and making meaningful comparisons with their counterparts in later games is inherently problematic. Moreover, even if frame data were available, you'd then encounter a different problem, namely that you'd be retrospectively judging the characters by standards that no one at the time used.
@@davidparry5310 I didn't mention frame data.
4:00
Me: Wait....wha...wh-why does Heihachi get up firsooooh shit...
Back in my day we called Death Fists OWAH's
Paul It suvirves on deathfist, in 3 hits are win
Still waiting for Lee video.
4:40 I lol'd
0:10 im still playing it bro XD
this where i got good i knew nothing either
He was garbage but he's _my_ garbage.
It's Lee for me
Back when Tekken was REAL. No love for scrubstin biebers.
Paul is not trash, if you do the F, F 1+2 throw and tag you get a free hit after the throw, it's so useful and it does a lot of damage
Liked this on both my accounts to see it hit 1k likes 🎉😤
Also his friend Law afair
please make videos on tekken 3
Cover tekken 3!
Despite these disadvantages, we use Paul's df1, df4 to poke, qcf 2 is used as whiff punish, CH4 followed by qcf2 and other moves like uf3 4 and ws 2 as launch punishables which still makes paul a great character in TTT1 🙂 you should check it out
Many other players were garbage except for mishimas
Ogre, True Ogre, Bryan : **Am I a joke to you?**
Honestly i prefer and love only the arcade version of Tekken Tag 1
Some characters, including Bruce, have 8 frame jabs.
It's always bothered me that Paul Phoenix has god awful form
You know, I love Paul, he’s my main. But you just made me realize this and you’re absolutely right. Some of his moves have always looked off, like actual bad form in martial arts off lol.
But hey I guess some of that form got sacrificed for the insane fucking power this man had obtained so I guess it’s all good lol
I can beat you in tekken tag 1 with Paul and kaz...
He's laughing and mocking the gameplay.... but I have NO idea what he is talking about!
I want this paul on tekken 7 XD
Did you know that Tekken 7 used to be a garbage?
🤔🤔🤔
TTT Paul was even worse...
- the worse side step then other chars. Even Jacks have better.
- really weak dmg in juggles
- 100% life bar like the "weakest" characters
He can be worse then P. Jack, or maybe in the same tier... But still less life bar.
This game its a troll
U kidding .
Once my brother smashed ths whole tekken crew with his paul🤨
Against ai?
Paul+garbage =parbage
He is still garbage, there are many advantages all characters have and Paul hasn’t. The excuse will be that Paul got the deathfest high damage... ok I would rather reduce deathfest damage to 35 but give him all the advantages others have
'there are many advantages all characters have and Paul hasn’t.'
Like?
'The excuse will be that Paul got the deathfest high damage'
Not just that. He has brilliant punishment. Moreover, his moveset is chock-full of scope for mix-ups. He also has a standing launcher that's less than 15 frames (which very few other characters have) in b3.
df2 fast safe mid high crush launcher
also note that it continues the combo even on airborne opponent which is hella cheap
hopkick: track both sides and has double the range and both hits launches on normal hit
also continues the combo normally on airborne opponent
First comment
No one gives a fuck.
The game sucks anyways. Tag 2 is better
Tag 1 vs Tag 2, yes I agree, Tag 2 is better.
bad take
shouldve stayed useless ;(