Best 25 hp tractor: KIOTI CK2610 HST vs. John Deere, Kubota L2501, B2650, & LX2610 - Part 1
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- UPDATE: During this video, my grapple was powered by my tractor's rear remotes. I recently purchased Kioti's "true" 3rd function kit and also made an installation video of that kit. Click here to view that installation... • Kioti 3rd function kit...
"PART 1." I forgot to mention a few things, so I created a "PART 2," which can be seen by clicking on this link... • Part 2 - Best 25 hp tr...
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The Kioti CK2610 leads its class in so many areas that I forgot to mention a few things, so I added a more complete list here in the video description. Of all the 25 hp tractors by Kioti, John Deere, and Kubota, I found out that Kioti CK2610 has the...
1. Most gross vehicle weight
2. Highest lift capacity on loader (claims 1835 at pivot pin & I could control a gross weight of 1470 with the dog food, pallet, and forks...which is forward of the pivot pin)
3. high lift capacity at the rear PTO
4. Highest lift height on the front end loader
5. Largest cubic inch engine (100 cc)
6. The most torque at the wheels
7. Highest rear PTO hp rating in its class
8. The most hydraulic flow rate
9. Best front axle linkage design (in terms of damage prevention)
10. Ideal analog dash, which isn't sunlight sensitive
11. Most open floor deck
12. Ideal hand position for operating the front end loader
13. Firm lever controls
14. Comes standard with the Skid Steer quick detach loader
15. Heavy duty design with better layout, steering linkage, and an all steel construction (not the aluminum rear end seen in the John Deere E-series)
16. Most affordable pricing in its class (weight/size/power)
I've watched countless videos about compact tractors, this is one of the best.
thanks for the support
Me too, and agree on this vid being one of the best especially for new shoppers like me
Hello bro!! How much for package? I am researching now
Similar thought process but needing a cab I ended up in a Kubota LX series. I see Kioti has added one now. It also came down to the local dealer support. Kioti is nonexistent here. There's an award winning Kubota dealer 15 miles from my property. Good video man.
My wife asked me how I liked my new tractor, a NH Workmaster 25. I replied great, it does tractor things. I’ve never had a tractor before. I have nothing to compare to. It was a good value, 3rd function control standard, you know, tractor stuff. I think, too many don’t realize this, we’re newbies, I can do things I’ve never done before. I don’t know if it does things better or worse than others. One of these days I will. Meanwhile, I’ll just do tractor stuff and grin.
Same here with a Workmaster 25 … couldn’t have said it any better!!!
Geez you memorized all these numbers, model names etc. No aghs, mmmm, likes etc. Your mind is in good working order. Your blessed.
I have always been good with numbers but cannot spell worth a darn. That said, in one of my videos I think I understated the lift capacity of the FEL, which is a little over 1800# I believe.
@@APBT-Bandog Seems like your spelling is also fine.
@@darenleeper1644 it is a constant struggle. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. God bless us for what we are given.
Great video. Lots of info for new, prospective, and current owners.
Thanks for the time you spent preparing it. I learned alot. I now have a CK3510SEHST on order so this helped. 👍🍻🤠
Just excellent! The best most thorough video on product knowledge to factual info on other brands! Thanks so much! I’m definitely a new subscriber so keep them coming! I owned 2 kubotas in the past and just bought a new CK2610 with a cab and it truly smoked every other brand out there in quality and price!
My Kioti 2610 HST cab model has been awesome. I liked the pedal design, much more comfortable than the Kubota layout. To me, it seams more heavy duty than the Kubota and it does weigh more. Plus it has more lifting capacity. We have a great dealer less than 1 hr away, so that really sealed the deal for me.
New subscriber here.
I have the L2501 Kubota. I have been very happy with it. I have had it since December of 2017 and have 340 hours on it. Mine is the gear drive with the ag tires. It is the cheapest version of their economy tractor that I could get.
We didn’t have a Kioti dealer in my area when I bought mine and still to this day don’t have one near me.
It is good to see these Korean tractors catching on in the marketplace.
The best thing with Kubota and we all owe them a huge debt of gratitude is that they were responsible for bringing the compact and sub- compact tractors to North America.
They were the pioneers that opened the floodgates to this now very popular markets.
Nice job. I enjoyed the full watch. 👍
Good detailed video. Kioti is new to me. But, yours along with some other videos have provided good information that tells me this is a good value for the money. I will be visiting one of their dealers and seeing what they offer
Great video, looks like the tractor I need.
Thank you for this review. Great info & video.
Good video and overview hitting the 5 most important aspects in the tractor. Well done. I just purchased but haven't taken receipt yet of a Bobcat for those same reasons. Got a great package deal when compared to just the base tractor price of other brands.
Great video man you sold me. Was going to go with a 1025r but now I’m on the search for a kioti dealer near me
well said mate, good info, and to the point
Great review!
I enjoyed your video. It was thorough with info. However, the sound was hardly audible. Appreciate your method of presentation. 👍
I also came down to the ck2610 and l2501 as the final 2 tractors when I was last shopping for one. The rops of the ck2610 not clearing an 8' door and the loader hydraulics being more exposed were the two negatives on the ck2610 for my use cases. The kubotas seat/operating station being less comfortable and the pedal layout being the negatives of the l2501. If memory serves the kioti lifts more but the kubota has more reach with the loader so there's applications where each could be better than the other. In the end I went L2501 as there's dealers near both properties we use it at and on the road between them. The kubota also has better forum support, there's more aftermarket goodies like brush guards and we've had good luck with kubota in the past. Great video, good for others shopping to get these days points
Kioti lifts higher as well...
Nice review! I have looked at all those brands you talked about and decided to go with kubota mainly because of the dealer network and support! My kubota dealer is 15 miles from me and the nearest Kioti dealer was over an hour and that dealer sold many brands of tractors!
I stopped to talk with them a couple times and they were the typical sales people ! Pretty much saying every tractor I looked at would work great for my needs!
Talked with the kubota dealer and he steered be away from the BX series stating I should step up to the B or even L series because of the type of work I was doing! Gave me all the pros and cons with each tractor I was looking at and even told me concerns of other customers preferences! I felt way more confident with Kubota than other brands!
Excellent. Some people just want to make a sell and do not listen to one’s desires
When I was tractor shopping I was impressed with the LS Tractor MT225. It is also Korean made and seems like a good quality and value. The reviews of the LS seem on par with all of the other brands.
One important thing to consider when purchasing a tractor is the dealer, in terms of location, service, and reputation.
I REALLY wanted a Kioti. One day my local Kioti dealer (they sell other brands and were in that location for decades) just up and closed up shop. One day they were there with Kioti tractors, Titan attachments, HUGE commercial farming tractors, sprayers etc on their lot as usual, then next day they were gone. It looked as if they were never there.
Great review. Thanks bro.
Nice machine. I had a Kubota that I sold and missed more than I liked not having it. I went shopping finally, and never considered anything but another Kubota so I went to where they sell those and was pretty well set on it. On the way home from the Kubby dealer I saw a John Deere dealer. I stopped and looked, drove a 3033R but it was a touch small for my needs so I left with no sale. I LOVED that machine though, it was my first time on a Deere, my wife always told me when I had the Kubby, “tractors are green”, LOL. Turned out she was right. That Deere stuck in my head like some kind of paste on the brain. I did finally find the larger edition of the Deere I was in the market for at a dealer in Indiana. I went down there and talked to Clinton Garber and he set me up and I am now a tickled John Deere guy with a tractor my wife tells me is the right color. I was looking at a New Holland (which did meet my requirements) and while I knew of Kioti there were no dealers near me so I never got a chance to look at those. The regen silliness is a bit of a dumb thing to me. It is a pacification and a power play in my not so humble opinion. I am happy as can be with my 3039R. I have a backhoe, tiller, hiller, wood chipper, box blade, forks, and a grapple and it does the work of 20 men every time I use it. It did cost a bit more but I have always lived, worked and believed I am to poor to buy junk so price is merely a factor to me, not thee factor. I have seen the Kioti since but never operated one. I liked what I saw and had I seen one before the Deere and liked it’s “ways” when I operated it I may have gone that way, but, I know I love this Deere so, no regrets. At the end of the day, does it do what I need, does it satisfy me while I am doing it, does it feel worth what I paid for it, is the satisfaction of ownership meter right of center? All of those are upticks for me with the Deere and that is all it has to do. The Kioti are a sweetheart of a deal and the quality is surely there. Great video. Nice tractor!
Once you try a Backhoe, you’ll want to have a Backhoe. Had a Kubota HST1700 for years, a great little machine. I always wished I had a Backhoe after I saw my neighbour using his Kubota with a Backhoe. I bought my Kioti CK4010 in 2020. No problems with the DPF so far. Hopefully I don’t, dealer says they are not getting any complaints about them. The only warning is, run the machine, operate around 1800+ RPM’s.
Man, you need to be a sales person!
I just want that Kioti right now!
lol
I have a Kioti ck2610. Love it 👍👍
Loving my Branson 2515H, I too passed on the JD and kubota as they cost way more to try to get similar performance.
At 5:00 you make a very good point. I got hundreds of thousands of miles on my Kia automobiles you just have to do regular maintenance on them... Korean engineering and manufacturing is world class.
My JD 3025E has a 100.4 C.I.D. engine that's rated at 53 lb ft torque. That said, I wish I would have done more research. I followed the advice of my father in law and only looked at the Deere and Kubota. I'm really liking the way your machine is equipped. Location of the dealership also played into my decision. The Kubota dealership is almost 50 miles away, and the JD dealership is 5 minutes away. I don't know of a Kioti dealership even remotely close to me.
Same result here... I had no prior brand loyalty and did ALOT of reading/video watching/spec comparing... Ended up with the kioti. Went with the ck3510 instead of the 26 for a little more power
Good information.
I own the manual transmission Kubota l2501 and love it I do ,not sure if Kitoti has a manual option? My reasons I like the l2501 independent braking ability for tight turns when plowing driveways(snow) with the Kubota, I like resell value of the Kubota and larger dealer network with Kubota. I also like the proven reliable kubota engines that start well in cold weather as well as parts availability. Kioti’s are nice tractors no doubt and have their advantages but my 2501 satisfies my needs, good video for people on the fence or that need extra lifting capacity along with other points you made! Thanks for sharing!
You talked me in to it , just bought one with backhoe 100 hrs . Haven’t seen it live and never sat on one. Pallet forks and 5’ sundown flail mower. Tax and delivery 26;500 .coming this week
Thank you for your honest review... Really enjoyed it and added to my research on Tractor hunting. "Buy the dealer, not the item"... In other words, is the dealer going to back your purchase up from years to come. .... Thank you
I’m about 1.5 hours away from Sid! I’ll have to check him out. Very interested in the ck2610
Thanks for the video. Do you have a part number for the armrest kit that you have on your tractor?
I'd like to price out the same tractor as you have equipped. Can you list the optional equipment yours has? Thanks for the video, I have watched quite a few between the John Deere, Kabota and Kioti and this one is the best explanation on everything. I'm in north Fl.
I’m surprised your research didn’t find the TYM T-25. Another great S Korean tractor.
Look at the reviews on them and you will quickly find out why. Lots of issues with them
Thank you. Great video. I was thinking about going with Branson over Kioti, but now I will stick with the Kioti since the dealer is only 5 miles away and the have a huge service shop. They also sell IH, and a bunch of other stuff, but it is an Ag related shop.
I've done my research and you've confirmed the facts. Now I'm ready to order either the ck 3010 o
r the ck 30710 (Australian models).What grapples are you running there mate?
Cheers
I bought a CK2610 tractor package 2 years ago. The reasons and I looked at them all . I have all the dealers[bigplus] on the east side of Dallas so no problem there. Love J.D. but there 25hp tractors had a lot of aluminum in the rear. Better for a estate work[not heavy enough. The kubotas were higher priced [loved them also] but I have two friends who bought the next step in HP and had regen and other problems. Also my CK 2610 had just as much grunt as theirs did and my HST beat them down a gravel road drag race twice. My package included a 20foot tandem[Kearney ] trailer, post whole digger, 62inch rototiller, 5ft box blade for $24k. The only draw back to a Kioti is you can`t over haul the 25hp engine. With standard maintenance is should out live me.
I never heard you can't overhaul the 25hp Kioti engine as it's the same engine as their 35 HP engine it's just detuned to avoid a using a DPF.
@@pmaint1 I love my CK2610 but have a friend who bought a used older one from the Rio valley. Not a good move, motor started knocking after a couple of years. He went to the Kioti dealership and that is what they told him. Something about thin cylinder walls. 6k for a new motor
Kubota B2550 is no longer being made. It's been replace with LX2610 with a total different engineerings. Because Kubota had so much problems with the engin they stopped making it. The LX2610 is a real good Tractor but Kioti CK3510 still beats the Kubota. Your info is the only one I watch that was on the money . A very honest video except for the B2650 which isn't made anymore.
You are thinking of the B2650 and the B3350...but are incorrect or confused about a few things. Yes, the B2650 has been replaced with the LX2610...but it is the same basically trouble free machine the old B2650 was. Their problems were with the B3350...it was terrible, which was redesigned and replaced with the LX3310. Kubota really had a lot of B3350 owners upset when they didn't stand behind those machines the way their customers expected and left many of them left to deal with their DPF related issues. That said, the LX and the old B series models are much smaller, lighter, and weaker machines than the CK series by Kioti...yet, despite that, the LX series still cost more.
Sounds like Sid should be paying you a commission! Ha. I have the same tractor and agree with you 100%. I wish I had a grapple. Might be my next upgrade.
Looking to buy this exact set up. What kind of price am I looking at?
I looked at the Kabota L2501 and the price was insane..I got the actual quote today..I thought the 23,400 was OTD..Nope it was 27,265..Thats HST, quick attach bucket, r4 tires filled with Tax and fees and insurance payments around 454 a month..A bit much I think for around the house. Think I'm gonna look at this Kioti model and Mahindra and do a price compare I was expecting the Kabota to be closer.
Doing your own homework can be a huge advantage, I know when my dad bought his 1025 there was a $1500 difference between one dealer to the next just 40 mins away. The cheaper dealership threw in a ballast box too, so say $2000 difference between a 40 min drive. Well worth the homework and time. Kioti does make some nice machines I just can't understand their size models, like Deere is easy
1-series , to 2-series to 3-series and on, Kubota has the bx, b, lx, l, mx, m and on but kioti cx, cs, dx, ns and on I've watched many of videos and feel like some are so close in weight and capabilities why they make it that way? I will say with that loader capabilities I would definitely get the back tires filled, easily add 400+/- lbs to each tire and makes a huge difference. I have a Kubota l3940 cab and could never separate with it being one of the last year with the extra diesel crap but I'ld like to get a smaller machine to go into the woods and such, I usually use the ATV but it has serious limitations compared to a tractor. I was thinking b series but been trying to look into kioti but can't quite get a grasp on their models yet.
Do you use the rotary cutter for all your grass? I’m shopping for a similar tractor and have what looks like a similar yard, but I’m can’t decide if I’ll go with an under-mount or a pull-behind implement for my grass. I’d like to know if you’d prefer an under-mount for cutting around the trees.
Thank you
We use a gravely zero turn for the yard and a flail mower for the field and woods areas
I went with Kubota and had them put the third function and the hydraulic top link.
Tony's Tractor Adventures also on CZcams for TYM
I have the same tractor and love it too. Have you already turned up the fuel pressure or considered it? From what I have been researching the motor in this is capable of producing the 35hp of its bigger brother, but they had to cut it down to 26hp to be below the thresholds of a diesel motor requiring emissions crap. Any thoughts? Thanks
I thought about it but have not done it because it does everything I want it to do and if not done correctly you can overheat it. If one turns it up only a little it is okay but to optimize things apparently it is best done with shims.
@@WorthDoingRight Interesting, I have seen posts on the shims as well. I'm curious if the 35hp uses a different thickness shims in combination with the increased fuel pressure.
I really like the CK 2610SE I like most everything about it. However I'm very concerned about the loader plumbing being so low and sticking out a little bit. I spend time in thick woods and I see it might be a problem. Has anyone had any problems with damaging the hydraulics. Thanks
No issues
How much weight can pull with this tractor? Is this a hydrostatic tranny? Does have good pulling power even dig in the ground?
Perplexed over the 2610 and 3510; I got lots of brush cutting on a slope to do the first few years until I can get it to maintenance mode….from what I hear the brush hogs are much beetee
I used the L2501 3 times already but wanted to buy a Kioti over the Kubota. How does this unit work with the Box Blade or Plowing.
It does a great job.
@@WorthDoingRight I might just get the 2610 with all the extra features. Glad to hear that. I might do a small food plot 100x100ft tops. Thanks again bud.
How much did your package cost?
We went with the Kubota L2501, 2 reasons, 1- 30 yrs with kubota and no issues 2- 2 dealerships with in 20 miles 3 - we just traded in a John Deere 1025r because of the dual pedals 🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Great review.
Now do it over with a mic!
It looks like my bad boy 3026. Is it manufactured by Kukje?
I'm lookin at all 3 Tractors, John Deere, Kubota and Kioti. I'm looking at the CK3510 Cab. Kioti which is the same as a Bob Cat has the nicest Cab of all Tractors. Kioti CK3510 has some real nice standard features that the others don't have. Price to me is about the same all around. Not really that much different. But my biggest problem with the Kioti is my nearest dealer is over 200 miles away as the John Deere and Kubota is only 35 miles away. I have talked to the other dealers John Deere and Kubota and they both said they do work on Kioti but since they don't sell the Tractor your put on the back of the repair list. Also told prices of repair will be a little more for the Kioti. I still haven't made up my mind yet. Do I buy the better Tractor Kioti, or do I buy the Second best because service when I need it is closer.
You won't need to repair your kioti, that's why they have the best warranty 6 years
I have non so far in 3 yrs have 3510 runs great. Just have to increase rpm when it goes into burn off. I will never take it back to the dealer after 5 times I fixed it myself now.
Wondering you total price for the tractor and attachments
I don't know what current prices are, but I paid around $24,000 for all my stuff in 2019 back when I got mine.
My B2650 does not have the DEF on it as it is 26 horse power is the cut off not 25.
These engines are very easy to boost hp by simply turning a screw on the injection pump. It will void your warranty if the dealer finds out but that would be pretty difficult.
You cut yourself short on the Loader Capacity. It's actually 1835 lbs. The Kioti is without any doubt the best overall value for the mpney
You didn't say at what point the kioti rates its loader lift capacity. Also HP does not necessarily equate lift capacity. Such as an 8HP log splitter generates thousands psi.
Every tractor manufacturer I am aware of lists their lift capacity at the pivot pin. At that location, the CK2610 with the KL4030 loader lifts over 1800#, nearly 700# more than the Kubota L2501.
Lift capacity is determined by hydraulic pressure. Lift speed is determined by flow rate.
some people say that 25 hp. tractor is not enough Pto power for effectively running a garden tiller, is that so? BTw thanks for the review. One of the best I have seen. How about mid mount mower? How about Rural King/TYM?
I have no experience with RK/TYM machines, but I have heard of a lot of complaints for various reasons.
Tiller is fine on the 25 hp machine if you get one sized for the machine. You shouldn't have any issues if you are no more than 5' wide, just don't go as deep on the first pass if you are in very heavy soil. Also, go with forward rotation.
Bullwinkle! My 22 horse Kubota BX 2230 does just fine with a 48 inch. 10+ years on it
Great information. The larger displacement of the engine is something I wasn't aware of that is a good selling point on its own. The price is for sure the biggest plus for me. I'm going to go with the bobcat because there is a good dealer that is close to me.
Thanks for the video.
Put a set of forks on it and it will pick the biggest one in the pile
Where did you buy your tractor? Would you please give me the tractor dealership address?
Thanks
Sids in north east MS.
SidsTrading.com
I have a kubota LX2610 that I bought slightly used and it’s been a disappointment. I should have went with the kioti I just got worried because there are not many dealers near me. My Kubota has been at the dealer for a month for a oil leak. The loader is extremely weak and flexible with just the smallest amount of weight. The hydrostatic transmission whines so loud in the cab you almost need ear plugs. Even our 20 year old hydrostatic John Deere is quieter and easily twice as smooth on the hydraulics. It’s also very narrow and too heavy and feels like it’s going to roll on just the smallest incline. Wheel spacers will fix it but it should have been wider from the factory. I’m general I’ve learned Kubota is overrated. I would have bought a John Deere but they do not make a 25hp with a ac/heat cab.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Even though I like the Kioti more than the Kubota myself, I have always thought Kubota was quality except for the B3350
Flat tire😮
Good review . Only disagreement is Korean cars being as good or better then Japanese . Not even close .
Also the Deere front axle on current models is not how you describe . It’s very heavy duty
Toyota and Honda are excellent, but Korean cars seem more reliable than Nissan, Mazda, Subaru, etc
@@WorthDoingRight agreed !!
My KIOTI 2610 lifts 1835
1800lbs lifting capacity i think
Hydraulics: 400lbs; on paper. That doesn't say it's actually 400lbs more when running hydraulics. Especially when running the pto combined with steering and running the front of rear loader. When running a loader; it's all about ergonomics. And bring able to find the sweet spot so you can put the front loader down AND keep the pallet fork/bucket level. Running both horizontal and vertical hydraulic lines combined. That's what's about. And I don't see you keeping your grappel level when lifting your loader.
Are you upset about it being 400# on paper, as it sounds like you are trying to say that is irrelevant, when in fact, any numerical reporting on paper is on paper. Never the less, my neighbor has a 35 hp Kubota, L series, and my 25hp Kioti can actually lift 400# more than his machine.
I think you are focusing on the wrong thing, as there is no need to worry about leveling something on your tractor if you cannot first lift it. Silly argument.
I would be concerned about the frunt axial, the kubota L series frunt Axialis look beefier but it can't lift as much that is telling me that kiode mite have there Axialis close to there limit before you put a big load on them this is one of the reasons why I will stick with kubota
You have never looked at the kioti and kubota axle side by side. The kioti axle is both larger in diameter and has a much better designed steering linkage & tie rods.
Look at this nonsense…
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You get what you pay for just saying. Kubota all day long no brainer
The only two things I have seen that Kubota brings more to the table of is debt as they cost more, and number of dealerships. The Kioti is heavier and has higher lift, stronger lift, and higher PTO hp at given sizes...and has better features as well. I do like the MX series of Kubota though...but for 25-40 hp, Kubota cannot though the CK series Kioti
Torque has NOTHING to do with cubic inches... I've studied motor engineering, trust me, I know.
My Kioti blows away all my neighbors tractors: JD, TYM, LS, New Holland, and Ford.
How exactly ??
@@ChaoticDave69 I can outwork them any day of the week with my Kioti. It just digs more, lifts more for some reason. It seems to be more responsive and easier to work. The hst with the linked pedal makes a huge difference. One difference is I can get a lot of work done while there's is in the shop again and again. My Kioti is reliable and I have not had any problems with it.
@@meehd01 that’s your opinion . Definitely not fact lol
@@ChaoticDave69 the fact is all of my neighbors have had theirs in the shop multiple times and I haven't. I work mine every day unloading logs and moving lumber. We have a 4 man crew so it gets used more than all the others combined.
@@meehd01 not even close Kioti is cheap for a reason . It’s not on the build quality of jd or kubota . That a plain fact . I’ve never had my jd break not once . It’s like saying Kia is better then Honda , it’s not true
Korean is not on par with Japan, sorry to tell you.
ding dong idi engine wtf
deere does have a rear hoe for the 3025e
Why is your tractor orange. Think about it, because they tried to copy kubota.