What's The Best Type Of Speaker For My Home Theater? In walls speakers vs Floor Standing Speakers
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- What's The Best Type Of Speaker For My Home Theater? In walls speakers vs Floor Standing Speakers
This video Is a detailed breakdown of why we aren't fans of MOST In wall speakers on the front wall always. It's a run through of how we help client's decide what speakers are best for their application. We talk about the three main types of speakers being Floor standing speakers, In Wall speakers and on Wall speakers as an alternative. We hope it helps people decide. You can always call Theater Advice as well for more detailed help and we can even sell you the product.
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Nice job
I really appreciate it. Happy people are enjoying it.
Thanks for the video, where does theory soundbar with in wall rears stand???
Great Summary. Straight to the point. One more remark. In-Walls work best in wooden Wall structures, where there is enough air-space carved out behind of them (of course) - because in the end you are creating an in-wall cabinet, before mounting the in-wall drive units. Most high-end manufacturers of in-walls (KEF, Focal, Perlisten) provide the specs for optimal air-volumes for their respective in-wall products. If you have the option of doing that (as I did) you are coming very close to the Floor-Standing counterparts. Btw: Adding a SUB (parallel) to the center-speaker in ADDITION to 1/2 SUBs for the Mains, is doing wonders for clarity & punch to your movie sound .-)
If you have the option to make an in wall an actually speaker...or with their own back boxes like I did..that's great. I love it.
What do you think about the triton series speakers I have them and love them just opening up dialogue
Golden Ear? LIke them quite a bit. Great value. they are straight up some dealers A$$ here so nobody else can carry them (they are dumb for that) ...but I like other brands more anyway. They are very clean and dynamic though. Great stuff
Great info
Thanks for watching!
I love this video your honest feedback really help me realize I should not give up my Klipsch reference premier floorstanding speakers, which are phenomenal for my budget, which I was willing to sacrifice for in wall speakers for my children but you made me realize they just have to learn to play around them. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
This video was right on point with the stage of planning a new HT room.
I have the KEF R700 on each side of my 120" AT screen, along with a center KEF R300 speaker. I'm looking to eliminate the look of the center speaker (which is currently in the center sitting on a Large subwoofer. I'm trying to decide if I want to change out my center speaker to a KEF ci3160 in wall speaker, and then add a sub and move both subs to the corners of the room. If yes, then should I replace the R700 with KEF ci3160 inwalls for FCR. If I give up R700 for the inwalls am I going backwards as far as sound quality goes? If I move to inwall(s) I will build a baffle wall with proper base trapping insulation. Looking for your best advice as only you can give.
Thank you so much for your great videos and expertise. Projector is an JVC NZ8 and all this is in a 71.4.1 room.
Going to an in wall will almost always be a downgrade unless you go way up in in wall quality. But as with my room...can be done. Your stuff sounds great. I will say those 3160...in a good solid wall...are shockingly good.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Thanks David. If it were you, would you change to inwalls given what I have described as the two options - or keep the speakers in front of the screen? I am very happy with how the KEF r700 sound. But I'm kinda stuck here trying to make a decision. Please help.
Put a 3160 behind the screen. Looks do matter.
*LCR
I followed all of your sound advice, nice video. I do not have a media room that I am working with but rather a large open family room where the builder added wiring for 4 in-walls pretty high up (2 fronts & 2 rears). For years I had been using klipsch book shelf speakers in a large entertainment center as the fronts, a klipsch 12" sub and bose 191 in walls for a discrete surround sound solution. We just scraped the old tall media cabinet and placed an 86" media cabinet below with an 85" Neo QLED above it. What are your thoughts on using in-wall klipsch 5800 WIIs mounted horizontally above the TV where the bose in-walls used to be and using them as fronts with a klipsch R34C center speaker below the TV on the cabinet? The reason I ask is because even though I own klipsch towers the wife does not want to see those in our main family room living area and those particular in-walls (5800 WIIs) have the articulating tweeter which could be aimed down toward the seating area if mounted horizontally and would act as the new fronts which would be about 7' high.
Make the wife happy...TBH Klipsch makes pretty good in walls...powerful and good dispersion. Will be fine.
Now that is sound advice, lol. The orientation was kind of my concern, but the adjustable tweeters seemed to be the saving grace. An alternative would be something like a wall mount set of fronts that looked more like art piece than a speaker but I have not found anything other than the focal brand speakers. Vertical in walls on each side would not work as there is too much going on in that wall between the studs.@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV
Focal on walls are awesome. Another option. I do think though ..don't quote me on it...but KL IW are only pivot left and right not up and down. I think. @@MrPowerHA
I have a 7.1.4 system my question is would it sound better for my .4 to be in ceiling or use the .4 as heights and if that way two up front top of wall and then the other 2 above the side speakers or back wall?
Always where they should go which is right over your head in ceiling. Hope that helps.
Hi David, thank you for providing your honest feedback from my comment about screen selection for a HT I am building, after watching your projector comparison video. 1st, you mentioned in that video Black Diamond screens, but are there other screens you recommend / suggest, or any dark (black) screen simply better than white? As for speakers and why I am here (room is 15x20x9 but the last 2 feet I have a box (2'x5') in back center of the room for fireplace pipe) as my space is limited I was thinking of Focal 300 LCR and Focal 100 for remaining 6 surrounds and their 100 line for the 4 ceiling Atmos. This room is on the 2nd flr above the living room, with 2 bdrms to the front & back of the room. I will be soundproof the room by decoupling my walls and ceiling and adding 2 layers of sheet rock with green glue. Found some products for the floor, which I hope will help as I will not be able to decouple the ceiling below. I was going with inwall due to size of the room and to maximize my space. Looking at 150' 2.4.1 screen with speakers behind them and 2 subs on the floor. You noted "onwall" speakers, which I was thinking were large bookcase mounted on the wall and did not realize Focal (or other companies) make these slim style speakers. Watching another inwall video (erin audio corner) notes not to get inwall with enclosed back and build your own enclosure. Working with the soundproofing company they suggested building backer boxes from OSB and a layer of greenglue with 1/2 cement board on the inside. I was thinking of doing this building them at 15"W x4'Hx 5"D and decouple this box from the studs themselves. Aside from floor standing, what speakers options would you recommend / suggest? Also in my search for speakers I keep getting Monoprice Monolith THX inwalls, your thoughts on those. Thanks again.
DIY stuff can do whatever they want...im not selling to them. and I think Backboxes are always better if you do it yourself or not. Your soundproofing seems good. If they are saying that in walls sound better DIY backboxes than the designers boxes they build for exact air space...I think they are ridiculous. If you know more than Focal or Theory etc... I don't think so. just let the speaker companies do it.
How well do you find it to work when pairing floor standing LCRs with in wall surrounds? I don’t have the space around the room for floor speakers, so in wall has to be the way I go. Do you think for surround/atmos applications it really matters to timber match all the speakers? I strictly watch movies in my media room.
Almost all the systems we install are in wall rears...weather it's floor fronts or not. They aren't as important of a speaker so being smaller is fine.
Thanks for the video. I may have missed it but would in walls be sufficient for the side and back speakers. Don’t have a lot of room, especially on the sides.
Hi. Great question. I do believe I talked about that briefly but since they aren't scripted I can't remember. However this video and really my opinion in general is that we stay away from In walls ONLY on the front wall for spacing, stud interference overall look and quality. The rears both in our showroom, in my own home and in almost all our systems are in walls and in ceiling. The importance of those speakers in a soundtrack is far less and really only need to be there and be heard (loud) so the overall quality of the sound isn't as important. Hope that helps.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVsometimes the architect and designers do not allow intrusive speakers like floor standing or on wall . They insist and convince their clients to go for aesthetics in wall
@@sumitagarwal3788 I agree and in those instances we sell in walls. The video is about the good and bad of them..the install troubles your run into with them sometime and the cost of doing them right. we work with architects and designers....nobody hides stuff more than us. It's about choosing the best speakers for each instance..sometimes that's in walls. I cover all of that here. Thanks
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV i wish I lived in usa in Texas and the opportunity to create a beautiful stereo music system by such an expert like home theatre advice .
Looking at the Focal 301 on wall speakers as LCR will they provide good sound immersion ?
They are great speakers. My favorite on walls.
Just watched a few of your videos for the first time and found them very informative. You seem both experienced and knowledgeable.
What kind of advice do you give people when they have existing open floor plans resulting in difficult placements for surround type speakers? Are in ceiling even worth considering for surround purposes? I am considering the focal iclcr or 300 ICA6 as L and R rear surrounds to pair with my aria mains.
Every room is different and we give different advice for each room. If you want to send us pictures and dimensions we can help you through my website and even sell and ship product nationwide.
What would you recommend for a Dolby Atmos setup… 7.2 9.2 or more? Also, best practice - have your front main speakers floor standing but it’s ok for in-wall on sides and ceiling? Thanks!
Please reach out to me through my site. Ask for me (David) specifically so you don't get routed to sales. Happy to help.
Still deciding on whether to get mk s150 vs mk inwall 150 for the lcr , I don't I think I'll be able to spend a lot on the wall part
Nice stuff
Great informative video. What would you recommend for a budget floor standing speakers?
Watch my KLH video....Crazy good for the money. Also KEF Q series, SVS always a great choice.
Excellent explanation, I'll keep my floor standing speakers.
There certainly are good in walls and even ones that rival most floor speakers...but for way way more money. Enjoy....that's all that matters.
Hi,
Am planning to upgrade my AVR from 5.1 to 5.1.4 majority my contents on a streaming and as u know almost all movies Audio format 5.1.
How can i benefit from the heights effect??
I looked at an AVR from sony claiming 360 reality audio effect is that will do?
Is only Sony could do that?
Absolutely TONS of Dolby Atmos content out there. Sony is great...it'll create atmos out of a 5.1...But a ton of Atmos out there to enjoy. Do it.
How are Dali M-675 and S-180 in walls in your opinion?
How would you rate them against B & W cwm 7.3 or 7.4 s2.
Would really appreciate your advice.
Thanks !
Dali makes great speakers...far better than Bowers IMO
What are your views in fluance speakers. The few reviews say they are good, but how good are they for movies only.
Pretty good internet sensation brand like Emotiva etc. Good though. Value. Not Sonus Faber / Focal good...but nothing is.
Wow!!! This is by far the best home theater video I have watched. Your honesty and the message are just phenomenon. We appreciate you. My family and I are building a home outside of the US in tropical region with 6-inch solid thick walls. There is going to be a 23-ft long by 15-ft wide theater. After watching this, we have decided to go with floor standing and have a front wiring since we will be doing a regular large TV ranging from 75 to 90--whichever price is reasonable. Would you recommend any particular acoustic padding please? We are planning on 11.2 AV surround sound supported system (Two subs at front, Center, left and right front, two right surrounds, two left surrounds, two back surrounds, and two or four atmos in the ceiling). We would like to add in noise and vibration dampening and if possible, eliminate any echoes and feedback. We are also considering carpet tiles on the flooring but what would you also recommend?
If we can ship US before you move we can even help you design it. We design theater systems for anyone in the us. Just reach out through out site.
We can help you with your system design if we can ship in the US before you move. Just reach out through our sit.e
I like seeing the speakers... Floor standing or even great bookshelf speakers on stands.
I don't disagree. Every room is different.
I didn’t know you were in the D/FW. I would love to pop by and see your showroom. I really like this channel
I really appreciate it. Stop in anytime. I or my staff can show you around.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thank you !
Always
What are your opinion if you have an opinion on M & K speakers from Denmark ?
Absolutely love M&K...Pure theater speakers. Impact, volume, clean. Great speakers. Enjoy them.
Fantastic video.
Does it ever bother you to have a center channel mounted under or over the tv or projector screen? I'm asking because it bothers the heck outta me to hear the center channel not coming from the screen. I like the idea of having the projo screen mounted higher like it is in this video with the center mounted close(r) to ear-level. I really admire how you guys give as much attention to audio as you do video. Seems like most installers focus on video and speakers are the after thought. You guys rock.
Thanks a lot. We love our viewers. so....Give and take always. If you can't do a good quality AT screen which can be super pricey (I don't like white screens...other videos cover this)..than below it is. If you tilt it up a little it does help image it higher just like a speaker toe in. Behind the screen is perfect sure but wont' sound as good as a big beefy center (unless you spend a ton)...so give and take. Just have to pick what's most important. Having said that...my master bedroom is 5.1...all in ceiling...if you close your eyes it sounds 100% that it's coming out of the tv. Anything can be achieved with a tweak.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV really appreciate you taking the time to answer a new question from an old video. Really speaks volumes about the way you do business. I wish I lived in y’all’s coverage area.
I cover the US. I do more business out of Dallas lately than In. : ) Just email us through my site if you need anything.
I really think I want to DIY and have had some personal success (that at least I was happy with) in the past, but the more I watch you and other channels, the more I want some real, in person/in home advice. Do you work in Houston or can you recommend someone that’s as straight forward and honest as you down here? Great content.
Depending on scope of work and budget we go everywhere. We do stuff all over the nation. Reach out to me through my site. Also..even if you DIY...if you buy from me you get my design, advice all for free. Won't charge you any more than anyone else on product anyway.
Currently have Klipsch RF82ii with series matching center and rears. Klipsch new atmos for my front and a PB3000 pro. Wanting to upgrade and start with the towers, but I want to hear the upgrade with clarity. What’s your opinion on a good upgrade from the Klipsch to start. Not wanting to go over 4-5k on the towers.
Looking at maybe focal 302 and use a 3rd one for a center, SVS new elevation , arendal 1723. I’ve yet to hear any one of them, but I’ll be going to the convention in KC in june. I’d love to hear your input or ideas for a very clear but not yelling speaker for the front. Thanks!!
You're o the right track with Focal. I am a lover and owner of the brand.
Do you have any brands and models you recommend for in walls that actually do deliver?
Hi. Answer as always almost totally depends on budget.. but there are plenty that sound good. They just aren't always the solution for those that want the best sound. Focal 300 series are good in walls for around that Grand a piece. If you want loud...Klipsch Pro series...great speakers for theater. Things like Focal Utopia, KEF reference, Wisdom Audio, can amaze as an in wall but for a price. What price level would you be looking at per speaker ?
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV It's a little hard to say. I'm speaking with a builder for a house and as part of the process I want to include framing out part of the basement for a home theater - so mostly thinking ahead so I have answers when the time comes. Generally though, I'm willing to spend and take the time to really get what I want. I'm expecting to spend 50k
@@AndorJ Where is the home located. and $50 k is a very worthy budget to get a forever type system. We should have a phone conversation. I can set something up if you message me through my website.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV It would be in Utah. I'd be happy to jump on a call but it's very early in the process - not even under contract - and not in your area so I'd hate to waste your time.
@@AndorJ Never a waste. Maybe we can work together. Maybe not,. But I'll help either way. Also we do jobs all over the nation.
Hi ... I'm Just Trying To See 👀 What Would Be The Best Speakers I Could Upgrade 🤔 ( Cause I Have The Klipsch 8060FA And 504C Ect.Ect For Surround sound !!!) To, Rather It's The Kef's R11 Meta and R3 Meta Ect.Ect Or The Svs Speakers Or BW Speakers Or The 1723 S Arendal 🤔 Speakers???? Just Need Your Advice! Thanks You!
Arendal if you want to stay in the "theater sound" realm. If you want more musicality for the score...or some music listening the KEF or Bowers are both great at both theater and music. Won't be as loud as KL or Arendal. Svs is more of a side step than an upgrade with your speakers.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV , Sounds Like To Me "Arendal " Would Be The Overall Better Choice Coming From Klipsch Right ???? Is Focal Speakers Good Aswell, VS My 🤔 List Above????
@@michaelburton5198 Well I own Focal..so I think they are the best. You'd be in the ARia line with your budget and I think they are great.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV , Wow And So Does My Main Man "Techno Dad" So Maybe I Should Focus On 🤔 "FOCAL" A Lil More??? I Just Want To Know What Lineup??? I Guess It's The One U Mentioned Already!
@@michaelburton5198 That would be first place to look at your budget. They are my fav company..I have them all the way to their Utopia line which is shocking good. But it's all budget. I believe there to be NO unhappy Focal owners. lol
Good information you shared about type of speakers used in dedicated cinema room but if you don't mind could you please share your personal experience with focal 300IWLCR6 compare with focal area towers will be very helpful focal 300 series don't have back box at the same time they are not mentioned about the box volume for same speaker in their website also
LCR Vertical pattern i belive the best for cinema experience due to same level of each speaker placement and sound travel in-between is same array what is your taught and experience about the same topic
It's quality vs aesthetics. They are great in walls when you have to have in walls. Best for that price level for sure of anything I sell. But the ARIA will be better quality for sure. Infinitely better midbass and bass response ...hope that helps.
Thanks for explanation 👍
A small request regarding inwall speakers how can we calculate the Blackbox volume if manufacturer not provide the details in the specsheet
they aren't meant for that...in walls without backboxes are voiced to be in open areaas...which is almost always seperate amounts which is why it's not my fav. If you want backboxed in walls...buy exactly that. triad, theory, Focal Utopia 1000, KLH etc.
How do you feel about bipole speakers??
sound good but not for Atmos... in a true atmos system everything is supposed to be direct firing now so they don't really have a place anymore. That was for old school 7.1 side speakers.
Hey there. New subscriber here. I was wandering .. I have 2 questions , potentially 2 topics as an idea you might want to discuss. 1.. can you run a home theatre without a centre channel and use the imaging of a good set of L&R speakers to project the image of voices as if you had a phantom centre speaker? I know imaging works great with stereo listening just wandering if by turning off/subtracting the centre speaker will the processor appropriately output the content where it’s suppose to be? Eg voices in the middle. Explosions L&R ?
Second question ? Can you mount 2 centre speakers - top of screen and bottom of screen ? Is it possible that it might create a pseudo stereo imaging effect where it sounds like the voices are coming from centre of screen. Both my questions are linked in that in both scenarios I’m trying to make the sound feel like it’s coming from the centre of the screen. Yes I aware of the transparent screen I just saw in your video but as space is at a premium I don’t want to push screen forward to hide any potential floor standers/ centre speakers. I definitely agree with you regarding in wall speakers so trying to get the centre sound placement without shrinking the room. Any information you can share would be greatly appreciated. Either way. Loved your video hence subscribed 👍👍
I'll add the first to my content list. The second ...yes using a height ch will raise the perceived stereo image of your voice to center of screen . Nothing is as good as localization beng there but it can help. On the first quesiton again.... you can use a center but 4.1 doesn't sound that great beause your speakers are trying to create voices and music at the same time...at times. But I can test it again. We do living room systems like that all the time when there is a fireplace and no place for a center.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks so much for your reply. I’ll scan through your other videos. Keep up the good work.
Do you have any advice for floor standing speakers for 2k a speaker? Been browising around martin logan f100, not sure what else is out there
Many and that’s one of them. Kef Q series. SVS. Special one Dali Oberon very musical. Bunch of bookshelves too like sonus Fabre sonneto. Tons of stuff out there
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks for the reply. Ive always thought bookshelves won't be able to deliver the sound and oomf that towers could. Is that w general misconception? Or does it not matter, if you get an amp it has more watts so more clarify at lower volume?
@@F1AVORR bookshelves can be a great way to step up in overall sound quality and add a sub. It’s the same speaker after all just less bass. Same tweeter and mid in most cases than it’s bigger brothers.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I enjoy the bass and the full feeling. I think im geared more towards towers. are you aware of any brands that tend to have larger cones? or a 10"+ sub or anything? All of the ones im seeing are 6.5" or 8" max. Trying to get a little more oomf
@@F1AVORR If you have a sub you won't need that. A good tower with 8" will go to 40hz. I know some JBL models stuff liek that are larger. Of course super expensive high end stuff is real big. But 8" are big for a floor speaker. Ever thought about going like Def Tech...built in subs?
What AT screen is this?
SI Slate AT
If you look at my Theater, I have no choice. The room is 8 1/2 x 15 feet. And the screen is wall-to-wall. Any ideas what I could do other than in walls? I don’t think I have a choice but to get the best in wall speaker that I can afford.
I'd agree you have no choice. And I am not saying it's a bad choice..what I am saying is it costs more money to get the same quality level in an in wall than a floor speaker. I have in walls too in my theater for the same reason.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Thanks, I wanted to do a baffle wall, but the room is so small I couldn’t even do that. It would have turned a rectangle room into a square room. I’m sure my sound will be fine. I should have thought this out a little better. I still say that $200,000 7.2.4. theater you did is crazy awesome! My favorite on CZcams. Yours is awesome also. I like the clean look.
I appreciate it. Client is happy. Really we can design any room , any shape and make it awesome.
Great refreshing to see an honest AV consultant on youtube. Looking forward to your content in the near future
Thanks a lot. We really are trying to do something new and three seemed to be a lack of it on the web shockingly enough.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV the in wall speakers are close to being a scam led by architect and designers fraternity and unfortunately aceepted by their gullible clients/ home owners
@@sumitagarwal3788 There are really good in walls believe it or not but they are very rare. I am sure I will do a video on that. But stay tuned for the video on my theater in my home..I went in walls but had to go the distance to get what I wanted. Enjoy the Content.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV can't wait for the tour. Thanks for replying to my messages.
I'm the opposite. If I have great looking towers I'd want them seen not hidden. Using Arendal 1723 Tower S.
Opposite of what? We sell more floor speakers than any dealer. We agree and say in the video that I am not sure you watch that you should get floor speakers if you can.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I meant opposite of some people who prefer their speakers HIDDEN
Right. But this video was basically that we don't really like in walls...so you are the same as us..not the opposite. That's why I was confused. I only have in walls in my own theater because I had to...and they are $30K lol. I LOVE floor speakers. Give me some Sonus Faber Olympica Nova anyday. @@johnlim7720
A big white in wall…you don’t custom paint them to match the walls? If you can’t do it I’m sure an auto body shop can do it. I’m stunned at how many companies slap in speakers that aren’t painted to match the walls. Use a fine mist spray gun with multiple passes. About an hour to bang out a room ion in wall or in ceiling grills. Dry over night then install. They draw ZERO attention to themselves when painted.
We will do anything clients pay us to do. These walls are white in this room in the video. Sometimes the cleint has vents that are white already and they don't care. I sell Triad color matched in walls all the time ...all over the gallery in the website. I am huge in custom things of al types. Also you can't just get wall paint in spray cans. You can do black etc but SW only sells them in 30 packs and only at two stores in all of Dallas. not that easy but yes we do it. Nothing we don't or can't do if paid to do so and the client wants it.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I’d offer to paint the vents! You would never use “spray paint” for in wall speakers. Use the same paint as the painter is using and spray them with proper equipment and you won’t clog one hole in the grill. You have great content.
@@peterfreeman3317 Again im not a painter I am a home theater designer. If the client wants to paint them...they can. I have painters that work for me if they care about that. If they don't...it's their room...we move on. I've painted personally 500 grills in my life. I know how it's done. If they pay...we do. I'd rather sell them triad grills....you can get them separate and are done at the factory. we put them on non Triad speakers all the time too. But we do too many jobs to add that if they didn't pay for that level of customization. You will find on all...or most of my big jobs that they are matched.
Your saying you don’t like in walls but that’s what you have at home, I’m not sure I understan, you you have to spend, thousands of dollars to get good in walls. What that crazy to me.
Watch it again. I explain it in detail. For the same money a FS speaker is better...in order to equal a good FS you have to spend way more...which I did. so yes...I have in walls. I had to have in walls so I paid $30K to match what I had in there in a FS speaker.
BS. you must be talking to budget buyers in mind. still you can build a budget speaker baffle perfectly designed for the in wall speakers onto the front wall and not effect the structure at all..its all about your room size anyway. does a movie tbeater has floor standing speakers outside of the screen!!!!!!!!!!! 😮😮😮😮
None of what you said makes sense. And what I am saying...which does make sense...si that for same price levels you will get more performance out of an in wall. And NO in wall will sound the same in walls as most walls are different air spaces. You have to spend more to equal the same performance is the point...and im right. As usual.
Socks required in this application Bruh!
This makes no sense. But thanks