Death Metal Fan Discovers Metalcore: Boundaries and While She Sleeps
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2024
- On episode 159 of Heavy Metal Philosophy, I'm fixing my blind spots in metal! As a death metal fan, I live in a bit of an underground bubble. I don't know as much as I should about metalcore. So this week I'm exploring the new albums from Boundaries and While She Sleeps. These are two very different bands underneath the Metalcore umbrella and this is also an issue I have. We'll discuss what it means to be Metalcore and how to differentiate bands in the genre. We'll talk about the resurgence of hardcore and much more! Join us.
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Boundaries is so underrated
Yes! 🤘🤘
back around the 2008-2012 era we would call we came as romans post hardcore while parkway drive august burns red etc were proper metalcore acts, many bands were experimenting with a lot of things and it really was hard to catalogue anyone at some point lol
for me BOUNDRIES is literally the first band in years that have this RAW ASS metalcore sound of the early 2000s while many 'metalcore' bands just sound anemic today. BOUNDRIES GIVES ME FEELS
Yes!! 🤘🤘
Boundaries,foreign hands,turnstile,drain,orthodox,kublai khan,jesus piece,knocked loose,magnitude,mindforce is metalcore/hardcore that carry the genre forward.
Yes!! 🤘🤘
Love the coverage John. Getting older, you really start to appreciate everything under the metal umbrella in general. Metalcore has some real gems and it’s such a great way to get non-metal heads in the door to the genre as a whole.
Indeed! Normies can't just start with Immolation... It takes gateway bands to get there. 🤘🤘
I've never heard of these guys either.
2010 is about the time Metalcore started to jump the shark.
Agreed. It got cool for a second again with djent but then everyone started to djent and it became very tired again.
metalcore pretty much grew out of being a sub genre into being its own genre with its own sub genres, theres quite a bit of metalcore sub genres compared to before like progressive metalcore, nu-metalcore, blackend metalcore, crabcore, melodic metalcore, pissedcore, etc, nik nocturnal made a evolution of metalcore video with the old guitarist of as i lay dying, I definitely recommend checking it out to understand metalcore as a whole!
Ok...l'll check that video out. I definitely respect Nik. Thanks! 🤘🤘
Death metal has a very varied styles as well. Atheist, Cannibal Corpse, Dark Tranquillity, Morbid Angel and Gorguts are all death metal and very diverse bands coming from completely different perspectives. I don't have an issue therefore that metalcore is a wide umbrella.
Fair. 🤘🤘
And the song Self Hell sounds almost just like Limp Bizkit's Rollin ( as far as I understand it is almost 100% intentional to be like that too).
Yes and I'm not one of the ones that now likes Limp Bizkit because of nostalgia.
When me and my partner saw While She Sleeps support Parkway Drive in Cardiff we had the same thought as you. Very poppy and almost out of place. They were on after Lorna Shore too! Hard to follow 😅
Whoa yea that's a real tough act to follow!
I never got into metalcore, I'm probably too old school (or just too old) but I just never could listen to it and I actually tried.
To each their own.
But I'm still here supporting the channel and the homie.
Real MVP stuff right there. Thank you!
Also... Not even Killswitch Engage?
@@heavymetalphilosophy not even Killswitch engage, there's probably something wrong with me 🤣
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Same.
I saw Boundaries open for Shadow of Intent last summer. They are quite good. Funny enough, Bodysnatcher was on that bill too.
Whoa. That sounds like a killer show! 🤘🤘
Chimaira is a Good Metalcore Band mixed with Death Metal pretty Cool Band
Yes!! 🤘🤘
@@heavymetalphilosophy 🤘
Did he just dropkick a guy off the stage? It even sounded like Jerry Lawler was shouting commentary for an old WWF match. Really funny stuff!
I appreciate the aggression of the vocals, but I really, really need my death metal riffs. That's what keeps me away.
Riffs are king! 🤘🤘
Metalcore is great. People pigeonhole it as whiny music for angsty teenagers, but that's only one part of a hugely-nuanced genre. It started out as a subset of hardcore punk (Earth Crisis, All Out War, Visions of Disorder), then took lots and lots of influences from melodeath (I Killed the Prom Queen, As Blood Runs Black, early Trivium, Darkest Hour), then became super popular off of bands like Of Mice and Men, Asking Alexandria, Bullet for My Valentine and Alesana, and now it's...in a bit of a weird state thanks to the TikTok-ification of the genre.
I love bands from all the phases of the genre, but my favorite is the Gothenburg-style-melodeath-but-with-breakdowns period.
Well said and I agree I prefer the more melo death style bands as well. 🤘🤘
I can't do pop. In anything. Not even Pop Tarts. Or Soda Pop. Unless it's a Dr. Pepper.
I used to have fond memories of pop tarts. I tried one as an adult and realized they're ass and I only thought they tasted good because I used to smoke weed.
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Thanks Lu! Definitely more than once in a Blue Moon 😆
@@heavymetalphilosophy 😆 Your awesome 💯!!
I going to throw this out there to see if it sticks but helmet album specifically in the mean time has elements of pre metal core my example is the song iron head. Now in my 50 it’s nice to see the influences of the new generation of metal heads.
I can see that. Or hear rather. 🤘🤘
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Yes!! Supergroup! 🤘🤘
I use the term octanecore to differentiate bands like While She Sleeps. I also heard the term baddiecore for all the metalcore thirst traps on TikTok from Nik Nocturnal.
I also like the term octanecore but I use it as a slur 😆
@@heavymetalphilosophy To be fair it's kinder and easier to interpret than the other term I hear, which is buttcore 😅
@@heavymetalphilosophyRemember, Baddiecore and Octanecore are very different 🤙
Not so much into the metalcore genre but do think While She Sleeps is really good. My buddy's son turned me on to them some ten years ago (I think) and something about them stuck. Thanks brother.
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Hey I know what you mean. I grew up through middle and high school on nu-metal first and then metalcore and everything else that was on Headbangers Ball, so pretty much everything from Lamb of God, Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, 36 Crazyfists, and As I Lay Dying to Children of Bodom, Cradle of Filth, Shadows Fall, In Flames, and Arch Enemy. These days I mostly listen to prog metal and especially more technical and djent-influenced metal, so most of the metalcore I listen to at this point is along the lines of bands like Periphery, Invent Animate, Volumes, After the Burial, and then definitely some of the more hardcore-leaning stuff like Knocked Loose. I agree though, it's a wide genre and there's definitely a handful of bands that popped up around 2010 that went too... "emo" maybe, for my taste? And on top of that it's a little over-saturated with bands doing the same thing, not that other metal genres don't have that issue. Deftones is my favorite band of all time though so I also love some of the newer bands that are heavy(-ish) that have that Deftones "wall of sound" vibe as I like to call it, such as Spiritbox and Sleep Token. But ultimately, the melodic death metal-influenced, riff-focused, metalcore will always reign supreme.
Well said! 🤘🤘
Hey John, I have question for you. It's a divisive question. What is your opinion on people wearing Death Metal shirts as a fad, because they like the design. With them not knowing any of the music from the band. 30+ years ago I guess they were called Posers. People are split on this topic and I was curious to your thoughts.
I only care in one very specific instance. A lot of my peers started playing in country bands because that's a gig that actually pays.. Then they wear a Slayer shirt on stage so they can show everyone that they're actually cool....
No no bro. You made your bed. Now lay in it. Put that fuckin Carhartt on.
You gotta check out the new As I Lay Dying. It's surprisingly really good and hearkens back to my youth.
I had a bit of fun with Austrian Death Machine 😆🤘
I'm a fellow old head metal fan, who never really got into metalcore. I've listened to metalcore bands back in the day without realizing they were metalcore, like Straight Line Stitch. It just sounded different than the metal I'd normally listen to, so I was intrigued. But it never really took off for me.
I need, like, a metalcore starter kit. I'm trying to get into metalcore.
I'm definitely no expert, but I'd say Converage for early metalcore. Killswitch for 2k era melodic metalcore, and then architects for the post 2010 djent era and now While She Sleeps and Profiler are sort of a modern in between metalcore and nu-metal blend.
I can recommend Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan, Botch and Between Buried and Me. All great stuff.
Excellent recommendations! 🤘🤘
As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, August Burns Red, After the Burial, Born of Osiris, Veil of Maya, Circle of Contempt, The Contortionist, Within the Ruins
If needed a modern list, i would recommend to listen to these:
Northlane - Singularity;
Invent Animate(Greyview, Heavener);
Loathe - I let It In And It Took Everything;
Oceans Ate Alaska - Hikari;
Phinehas - The Fire Itself;
Currents - The Way It Ends;
Silent Planet - Iridescent;
Alpha Wolf - A Quiet Place To Die;
Veil of Maya - [M]other;
Thornhill - Dark Pool;
Make Them Suffer - How To Survive A Funeral;
Johnny Booth - Moments Elsewhere;
Boundaries - Death Is Little More;
Yeah, some bands are experimental and may sound really different from each other due to their general roots, also some include different genres besides metalcore
You know what could be an interesting topic? "Mysgnostic" themes in death metal. For example the new Gorgasm album cover. Personally I don't mind because I know why they're doing it, for the shock factor and I would say that's kind of what death metal has always been about. I still think it could be an interesting topic though. I feel like 10 years ago nobody in the scene gave a damn about impaled women on album covers and titles like "whore to a chainsaw" or whatever. In 2024 however different story. I recently watched a podcast with a slam band named Peeling Flesh and they basically said those mysgnostic themes are outdated and you gotta go with the times implying you shouldn't do that anymore. It's weird to me because death metal is filled with extreme lyrics about murder, mutilation but mysogny is where they cross the line
I briefly touched on it on episode 104 Black Metal versus Death metal. I really only take issue when a band seems to only abuse women in their lyrics. There's a handful of bands where it's literally every song.
You know when we watch horror movies, women die. But if it was only women ever. And there's 5 sequels to that franchise and in every sequel it's still only women... Well I'm gonna find the directors and writers of those movies a little sus.
@@heavymetalphilosophy that makes a lot of sense. When they keep attacking a specific gender or demographic it's definitely sus. Though for every death metal song where a woman gets abused there are probably 100 songs where they don't specify in their lyrics who is at the receiving end. Now that I think about it most death metal lyrics are gender neutral hahaha
Gonna watch episode 104 now. You have a great thing going with this channel. I would say you could experiment even more with different video ideas and see how it goes
@@TimmyTurner421 Thank you! 🙏🤘
I agree with the "Metal Core" being just too big of an umbrella. There's a lot of really heavy bands that don't have the clean vocals that I hate! Back in the early/mid 2000's I was listening to Full Blown Chaos, A Perfect Murder, Cataract, and my all time favorite Unearth 🤘None of these bands had any boy band sounding vocals that just ruin what could be a great band or album. I really enjoy some of the modern day Metal Core bands like Harms Way and especially Mouth For War🤘😎🍻
Oh yea Unearth! I also like Harms Way, especially their earlier slam style. 🤘🤘
Love Boundaries but the single I heard from this album didn’t really do it for me
Maybe the rest of the record will be HARD! 😆🤘🤘
0:36 their album cover is AI … eew lol
Indeed
@@heavymetalphilosophy that is a turnoff for me lol
In serious metal, just got its names by fans or genres what? Doomcore, haha. I wouldn't know everyone brainwashed like everything, haha Aarruugghhhhh!! Metalverse Aarruugghhhhh
Aaaarrrrghh!! 🤘🤘
If it’s metal… its not meant to have that manny fans lol
I would agree for more extreme metal like death and black metal. But metal in general has been mainstream since the 80s. They play Metallica on classic rock radio now. There's a metal store in every mall.
Sure we might not consider the mainstream metal as highly as our favorites but it's still there.
But to your point, even popular metal like Sleep Token or BMTH is dwarfed in monthly Spotify listeners by Taylor Swift or The Weeknd.
@@heavymetalphilosophy i understand.