Kanye West is 100% one the most if not the most iconic hip hop artist of the 2000's and he is usually always credited with that but not alot off people like admitting it just cause of how he acts.
Kendrick is top tier. Cole is actually underrated when it comes to his lyricism and story telling. His old mixtapes are classic. Drake makes hits and has lyrical shit that most people don’t know such as Tuscan Leather and the Catch Up. His all of the lights verse. Kendrick is just so creative with his craft and his lyrics have so much meaning.
How is Kendrick not 100% Hip Hop? Some Mainstream songs don't change anything. Listen to "FEAR.", "FEEL.", "DUCKWORTH." and "XXX.". He's more oldschool than anybody else.
DAMN. is both Pure Hip Hop and Pop, he was saying its a combination of his last 3 albums, so it only makes sense it has elements of everything. Even Drake has hip-pop and hip hop songs on his albums, but the maajority is pop
I agree there are 3 "lanes" but I'd split em up differently 1. Pop Hip-Hop This is basically anything that sounds like it's made for the radio and parties Mostly about relationships, dancing, parties, and drugs (for recreation) Ex. Drake, Nicki, Lil Pump and the other Soundcloud rappers, etc. 2. Trap Hip-Hop This is for rappers who had to come up selling drugs (for a living) and see a lot of violence and crime Ex. Future, Kevin Gates, Migos, etc. 3. Lyrical Hip-Hop This is for people who like rhyme and rhythm, are inspired by the old school, and usually are concious with their subject matter Ex. Kendrick, Cole, Lupe, etc. What y'all think? Edit: there's obviously a lot of crossover and all of these sub-genres are thriving
Great insight on Kendrick warning everyone that if he wanted to overtake their lanes, he could. Although J. Cole has sales, he's still underrated. Probably 75-80% of his sales are from true hip hop fans who want dope albums and want to support a great artist. He gets almost zero mainstream airplay.
Fat VanillaNutzz But let's be real, when Jay and Bey first got together, Jay was more popular than her. She had her own fame from Destiny's Child, but he was JAY Z(if you know what I mean.) After her first solo album, she began to become BEYONCÉ. I'm not going to credit Jay for Beyoncé's stardom because she's extremely talent but I think having Jay features and secretly dating him at the time helped her.
Im here post beef because lowkey yall saw this coming. The minute this started and it involved cole Kendrick and drake this video immediately came to mind.
Contrary to what everyone's opinion is. Let's not ignore the fact that we'll NEVER...... EVER see another 3 headed monster like this ever again. You have a mixture of pop,neo-soul,lyricism,production,voicing, and overall discography between 3 of hip hop's best the likes of which we may have never ever seen before. You may not like this or that album between KDot,Cole or Drake but nobody ain't messing with any of them.. Enjoy them while you can!
Drake definitely cares more about album sales than putting out quality work. He's constantly biting other people's styles, has ghostwriters, and doesn't even have the courage to call his latest project an album. It's been 6 years and we're still waiting for an album that's as good as Take Care. Be real!
Bruh, they were average at best. I skip lots of tracks on NWTS and I really only like the first 6 tracks of IYRTITL. Take Care was fire all the way through! Can you say the same for his later projects? Naw you skipping a LOT.
not really actually, he cited 2 kendrick albums as hip hop (section 80 and TPAB), while citing the same number for J Cole (2014 Forest Hills Drive and 4 your eyez only). Not only that, he is neglecting the actual lyrical content of Kendrick, who definitely has a deeper message connected to his community than J cole (For example, Good Kid mAAd city vs 2014 Forest Hills Drive, or TPAB vs 4 your eyez only). Saying J Cole is more hip hop just because of the aesthetic of his music without evaluating their message at all seems pretty superficial to me. Not only that, J Cole never has and never will make an album as unique, as true to hip hop, and as out of the "pop" mainstream as Kendrick did with TPAB.
Daniel Bottlik what are you talking about this man literally put North Carolina on the map ... Compton was already big before kdot everyone in the entire state of NC has felt he effect of Coles music and everything he’s put into the community
Daniel Bottlik you must have not actually listened to the warm up , Friday night lights or born sinner those are straight hip hop albums . IMO Kendrick does things Cole can’t do and Kendrick does things Cole can’t do it’s a yin yang thing for me that’s why everyone is waiting for their album to drop like it’s really gonna change the game done correctly
Trust YouMe Exactly I may not be the biggest Drake fan but I'm happy he made it. It Was touch and go at the start for all of them. Drake didn't have an image rap fans could take seriously. Cole was in the shadow of Hov and hit his wave slow. K dot didn't have the exposure but they all pulled it off.
lv//deo TML, Take Care, NWTS, and More Life contains some of if not most/all his best rap songs with straight lyricism that would've made some of the greats before him fuckin proud
If Hip Hop was food: DRAKE: Fast food. Cheap easy, what everyone goes for. JCOLE: Food truck Taco's, still cheapish. Chill, accessible to a lot of people. Tasty as fuck. KDOT: Fancy five star dish. Might not necessarily be as tasty as a taco but complex and you appreciate how hard it is to make. Not everyone can appreciate it MUMBLE RAP: White bread and mayonnaise
I swear y'all niggas really hate for no reason . J cole and Kendrick and drake are the top 3 of this generation. Whether you like it or not . Even if you aren't a fan of them there's no need to just bash them . Yes drake has worked with people before but don't get it twisted that somebody has been doing all this shit for him and hes only getting on the mic . Drake can write and can also produce. And for the j.cole shit I just don't understand it . Y'all sleeping on him for real . And Kendrick I really don't see anyone hating . But I hop it's cause y'all actually fans and not just jumping on the bandwagon.
f grand define this generation. Do you mean like past 5 years or do you mean since the beginning of 2000? In my mind when I think of generation defining artists it's Eminem, 50, drake, Kendrick, Kanye. Size wise J. Cole doesn't come close to them in terms of how big of an effect they had on hip-hop. Side note, I do find Drake massively inconsistent, Views was wank, IYRTITL is his best album along with take care. Kendrick, Eminem and Kanye are the biggest hip-hop artists of the ones I mentioned.
I don't have problem with him collabing with pop artists in general. Some of his collaborations were wack but for me Love The Way You Lie is a good song that gets hate just because people are narrow minded.
MY MAN. I could cry right now. Finally somebody understands what I've been saying all along. This is so beautifully and logically crafted. A true testament to the appreciation of the new culture of music. I've heard countless times people refusing to even listen to any of this new wave simply because "it's not real rap". I'm showing this video to everybody I debate about it with from now on. Huge round of applause, and a define subscribe.
It's a shame how people call J. Cole boring and don't give him the credit he deserves. If J. Cole would have waited and released FNL and or The Warm Up this year. Y'all haters would be ghost rn
Lmao... we're living in one the greatest era's in hip hop and people just wanna tear down the the three marquee rappers of the era because they can't stop STANING. Fuckin pathetic
I appreciate the 3-lane theory- it formalized what was previously intuition- but my question is actually unrelated: who designed those posters in the background of this video? I'd love to support the artist and purchase some myself
Cool Beans nigga did you not read my shit right?!? I said drake ain't good on the mic NO MORE, as in nowadays he's garbage lyrically. All those songs you just named are old asf, back when he actually wanted spit bars. Fuck outta here with yo hate.
Daniel Mendoza GKMC is not hip pop besides poetic justice. every song on there is hip hop. and i kinda agree with the DAMN thing but i still think he stayed to his roots
As drake got more pop tho, his lyrics have definitely got worse - if you listen to Take Care, and then come back to views, it's like listening to two different artists completely
Fucking quality video. Agree with the theory and think these kings deserve so much credit for straightening up mainstream hiphop, though autotune mumble has put a dent in that but id almost put it in a different genre/category to normal speech hiphop either way its happy days hopefuly europe follows soon so i dont have to hear fucking despacito everywhere give me bars
I’m definitely going to have to disagree Kendrick doesn’t make pop albums at all. J cole has way more mainstream sounding style. Kendrick is way more street grit
Yeh kendrick is much more creative, always trying to use a new sound and new style , i mean if his songs chart on billboard doesn't mean it has become pop ,
Caira Williams Kendricks newest album is only more “pop” (even though it’s just more commercial) because people were telling him to be more commercial and no one thought he would listen so he did. Also Cole is not pop at all neither is Jay-Z so that can’t be right
we talkin bout drake? he is a talented lyricist, he just typically doesn't use it anymore you can check out some of his older songs like 5am in Toronto or 4am in calabasas to see what I mean, or his verse on fuckin problems
James Perry Nobody cares about that. Drake doesn't write his own lyrics, bites flow and isn't even a rapper. Kendrick is the best lyricist, best flow and he has 3 classics.
James Perry awards are irrelevant while talking about the best. And since you don't even know what "G.O.A.T" means you have no say in who is best. Go listen to goat by Eminem, you'll find out what it means
Bruce Sales RIGHT they never wanna give that nigga his credit!😤 he might not be your cup of tea and he might not be a lyricist but Dude got hits and frfr probably an impact on the game as well since niggas is doing his style🔥
Cole transitioned from hip pop to hip hop through his albums gradually over the couse of his career, while kendrick alternates from hip hop to hip pop every album. Pretty cool.
Personally, I think my favorite artist, Eminem, started out as pure Hip Hop until Recovery, which he crossed over into Hip Pop and even Pop on a couple songs (Love The Way You Lie is a perfect example) and he went back to more Hip Hop on the Marshall Mathers LP 2 and changed back to Hip Pop and Pop in Revival (except Offended is a beast ass Hip Hop song). Not to mention his single with Sia, Guts Over Fear, which I’m not sure whether to qualify it as Hip Pop or Pop.
Eminem is mainly Hip-Hop, and he's just dabbled in some Pop sometimes for variety, like in some parts of Recovery and Revival. MMLP 2 was a little bit rock-rap, but still strong Hip-Hop. His last 2 albums have been pure Hip-Hop too, and not pop
Categories of The Hip Hop Culture: Hip Hop- conscious, communicative, substance, lyrical. Rap- punchlines, metaphors, trash talk. Pop- Rap style, not from the community, flow. Today's generation is Rap music.
thats yo best comeback hahaaha yo new school niggas are so corny lol nigga i never even mention a single named about who i listen to. so yeah try again.
Drake makes alot of songs then disappears J Cole releases music then goes on tour and it sells out in 1 month Kendrick Lamar dropping videos from his projects enough said
According to this the only difference between hip-hop and "hip pop" is the production where hip pop has more dedicated production, while still having a message and good lyrics. Wouldn't that automatically place hip pop above hip-hop?
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I've been saying this for the longest time! Hip-Hop Hip-Pop & Pop Are all in the Over all Hip-Hop genre of today, they are just different categories of it. I was very open minded when listening to this dude and after having time to think about it he's right! They have been switching back and forth but successfully compared to the genres predecessors. And because of it they've not only became so popular, made some much money and status AND have been able to continue to be consistent with the content they put out, but also haven't fallen from their platform for whatever reason period! Now I will say this. I do feel some type of way that he didn't add another category that's Hip-Rock. For this category you have many to list that don't even get noticed and these are great artists! That are very underated: (not calling Eminem underrated but adding him to this list because he has some tracks like this) -Eminem -Yelawolf -Machine Gun Kelly -Kid Rock -Beastie Boys -Linkin Park -Rage Against the Machine -Limp Bizkit -P.O.D. -Tech N9ne Now I realize most of these guys aren't knew but there really should be more of them with similar skill level as yelawolf. The man raps and makes sense while having you enjoy another dimension of hip hop that can be very enjoyable after all it's music.
Damn this guy looks like J. Cole's final form
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Lmaoooooo Made me chuckle
Dead
Your head is 80% hair
Brandon Worthing yeah your*
Lmao I read this before the video loaded and died as soon as I saw him lol
one of the more enjoyable comments here
Nothing wrong with that fam
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Drake is like anakin skywalker in episode 3. He gets a seat on the jedi council but he is not granted the rank of master
eliminator173 Kendrick = Drake > Future >> Coal
I fucks with this
One Word: ghostwriters
Back To Back
Cormel Feliciano was ghost written...
You act like Kanye didn't pioneer the pop lane before Drake.
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton..... Ja rule pioneered the pop before kanye
you act like run dmc didn't pretty much do it earlier
He’s only talking the current time not the 2000s
Bill I Did Not Bang That Woman Clinton first off ur name is hilarious second mc hammer had it before kanye
Nawh that was T Pain
Go listen to TPAB and try and tell me Kendrick ain’t hip hop
TPAB is full hip hop, but GKMC and DAMN both have a lot of hip pop in them.
WheresWallace4883 fair, but every j. Cole project is significantly more hip pop than anything Kendrick has put out other than, maybe, Damn.
J.T. Yorke I will always love u listen to damn and tell me he aint pop too lol
I would say both Kendrick and Cole are Hip Pop. It would be more accurate to have someone like Joey Bada$$ or Earl at the Hip Hop lane.
Go listen to DAMN and tell me Kendrick ain't hip-pop
Drake is good. But J Cole and Kendrick Lamar is on another tier tho.
Drake is simply a Pop generic artist... I can't even stand most of his music!!!
Yup. Legend tier
haters
dont disrespect drake like he isnt one of the most decorated rappers ever
Abrar Yo daddy drake is good jcole is good and Kendrick is on a god tier
Kanye west never gets enough credit, he changed the game and nobody cares
Brown Boi cause white people mad he took a shit on Taylor swifts career
Brown Boi that's just the way it goes, you innovate and most of the time someone else will get the credit
Kanye West is 100% one the most if not the most iconic hip hop artist of the 2000's and he is usually always credited with that but not alot off people like admitting it just cause of how he acts.
i never heard anyone who is a rap fan not praise his music and influence
and Wayne
Andre 3000 fits into all 3 and is a top 3 rapper of all time. Outlast was king of rap.
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You mean OutKast
TAZ Visuals my fuckin guy Anderson .Paak is one of the most talented artists around at the minute. Doesn’t get enough credit for it.
@Taz ❤️
Andre is my top 3 easyyyyyy
Cole is humble af
Dimitris Papachristos I dont know he legit talks about how he’s the king and the best rapper in the game in his songs
Why is his nickname king Kendrick then
Dominic poissant Wot?
@@dylanrogers2085 that's what every rapper does that's the whole point of hip hop knowing your the best from the start
kendrick literally got a song named humble who tells him self to be more humble
I always felt this way.
I felt like Drake was more pop
J Cole is full hip hop now
And Kendrick is the in between
j Cole and Kendrick good lyric Music Awesome skills good vibe can rap for poet real j Cole and Kendrick rap full real hip-hop
brandon fowler kod
Nah drake does both and other genres
brandon fowler exactly
brandon fowler how tf kendrick in the middle
Kendrick - For the mind
Cole - For the soul
Drake - For the heart (& for the teenage girls + 13 year old or under )
Name: John drake is more for the flesh, he's just nice to listen to on a superficial level
Name: John LOL TRUE
Drake for the college girls.
Name: John and kendrick for white boys
Hell no Cole for the mind and Kendrick for the Soul
Kendrick is top tier. Cole is actually underrated when it comes to his lyricism and story telling. His old mixtapes are classic. Drake makes hits and has lyrical shit that most people don’t know such as Tuscan Leather and the Catch Up. His all of the lights verse. Kendrick is just so creative with his craft and his lyrics have so much meaning.
No he not, if anything cole is underrated at is producing
Cole is the king most definite
Drake a pop star
It's just hard to credit drake when you don't know what is his writing or not
Shout out to Joey Badass.
D-Marv Barros RIP to Capital Steez
king steelo
Imo he's the most lyrical between all four of them
@@xLamont_ says the person with the xxxtentacle profile pic
shane golding If you think Joey's lyrical ability is higher than kendricks then you lost hella brain cells
How is Kendrick not 100% Hip Hop? Some Mainstream songs don't change anything. Listen to "FEAR.", "FEEL.", "DUCKWORTH." and "XXX.". He's more oldschool than anybody else.
Listen to 4yeo thats pure 100% hip hop
khidr56 That's not 100% Hip Hop. Too much singing
DAMN. is both Pure Hip Hop and Pop, he was saying its a combination of his last 3 albums, so it only makes sense it has elements of everything.
Even Drake has hip-pop and hip hop songs on his albums, but the maajority is pop
He only sang in about 3 songs tho
When Rihanna in your best song on the Album, I can't see him not being Hip-Pop
Kendrick is hip HOP at its finest
And now in 2019 he is #4 on the top rapper list, right behind Eminem.
hip pop*
Truth Stream Media no
@@jon.... yeah its good pop music
Truth Stream Media his most popular songs are somewhat pop but his best songs are pure hip hop, calling his music pop is like calling pac pop
I agree there are 3 "lanes" but I'd split em up differently
1. Pop Hip-Hop
This is basically anything that sounds like it's made for the radio and parties
Mostly about relationships, dancing, parties, and drugs (for recreation)
Ex. Drake, Nicki, Lil Pump and the other Soundcloud rappers, etc.
2. Trap Hip-Hop
This is for rappers who had to come up selling drugs (for a living) and see a lot of violence and crime
Ex. Future, Kevin Gates, Migos, etc.
3. Lyrical Hip-Hop
This is for people who like rhyme and rhythm, are inspired by the old school, and usually are concious with their subject matter
Ex. Kendrick, Cole, Lupe, etc.
What y'all think?
Edit: there's obviously a lot of crossover and all of these sub-genres are thriving
I agree
interesting
Underrated for such a unique comment
Smoke Plays Games Fr tho, this comment deserves a lot more attention.
Second lane is not considerable
GKMC is not hip pop. It's pure hip hop. Probably the best album released in the Last decade
no
Don Corleone last decade? Lmao
Agree
TPAB is the best album of the century.
Don Corleone mbdtf
Great insight on Kendrick warning everyone that if he wanted to overtake their lanes, he could.
Although J. Cole has sales, he's still underrated. Probably 75-80% of his sales are from true hip hop fans who want dope albums and want to support a great artist. He gets almost zero mainstream airplay.
he's a lot more mainstream now. Still underrated though
Finally found J Coles channel.
Only 2 kings... J. Cole and K. Dot.
Ace Love Cole the God KDot the king
Joey Bada$$ the prince
Nigga you hatin
Hater alert
Drake is better than j.cole
FloRida and Pitbull are pure "Pop" rappers.
Chance the Rapper is pure "Hip-Pop".
wloydwiii FloRida and pitbull wtf is this 2010
BIG PAPI they still putting out albums and selling out shows. Go to some pure white clubs and you'll hear them a lot
wloydwiii Chance doesn't even rap, he harmonizes
wloydwiii in correct
Frankie Russell Rapping and Harmonising aren't mutually exclusive e.g. Bone Thugs N Harmony
The art wall behind him is legit af
Jorge Aguilar do u know where i can find these kind of pics?
Jorge Aguilar nevermind, found them (they called hip hop heads)
Jay might not have done T.V or movies for relevance but he did marry the most famous woman in the world
Fat VanillaNutzz Oprah?
Mark Rosales nobody outside America fucks with Oprah
The mom from 2k16
Fat VanillaNutzz he also missed Biggie's commercial success
Fat VanillaNutzz But let's be real, when Jay and Bey first got together, Jay was more popular than her. She had her own fame from Destiny's Child, but he was JAY Z(if you know what I mean.) After her first solo album, she began to become BEYONCÉ. I'm not going to credit Jay for Beyoncé's stardom because she's extremely talent but I think having Jay features and secretly dating him at the time helped her.
Im here post beef because lowkey yall saw this coming. The minute this started and it involved cole Kendrick and drake this video immediately came to mind.
Contrary to what everyone's opinion is. Let's not ignore the fact that we'll NEVER...... EVER see another 3 headed monster like this ever again. You have a mixture of pop,neo-soul,lyricism,production,voicing, and overall discography between 3 of hip hop's best the likes of which we may have never ever seen before. You may not like this or that album between KDot,Cole or Drake but nobody ain't messing with any of them.. Enjoy them while you can!
Negus Wit Da Prune Juice drake trash
Negus Wit Da Prune Juice Preach it some more.
Negus Wit Da Prune Juice We WILL get another 3 headed monster.
Dope music awesome Cool good Listen wow powerful best ever real hip-hop j Cole
Negus Wit Da Prune Juice you said it
Drake definitely cares more about album sales than putting out quality work. He's constantly biting other people's styles, has ghostwriters, and doesn't even have the courage to call his latest project an album. It's been 6 years and we're still waiting for an album that's as good as Take Care. Be real!
Bruh, they were average at best. I skip lots of tracks on NWTS and I really only like the first 6 tracks of IYRTITL. Take Care was fire all the way through! Can you say the same for his later projects? Naw you skipping a LOT.
Scratch that on IYRTITL, the first 5 tracks and Star67. I was not impressed with the rest of it.
Nothing was the same was his best album
Noize idk what type of Nigga you is to be skipping a lot of tracks on NWTS cause that album is amazing, second if not best album by drake
I'll be honest. I'm still waiting to hear ONE good album from Drake.
Where'd he get those pictures in the back?
That1Guy that's what i wanna know. If someone finds out please let me know
Trying to see all them
Who cares they don't even have Nas on there. He's the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.
teddy natter the one directly to his left is Nas. Africa chain, green shirt and the beenie
I'm not sure if it's Daniel Nyari, but he's an artist who does very similar artwork, it's most likely his work.
kendrick has every lane, he has the most hiphop of all with his album tpab and gkmc and some of the most pop with for example LOVE. from damn
In what world is j cole more hip hop than Kendrick Lamar???
Yh and buddy explained it perfectly well
not really actually, he cited 2 kendrick albums as hip hop (section 80 and TPAB), while citing the same number for J Cole (2014 Forest Hills Drive and 4 your eyez only). Not only that, he is neglecting the actual lyrical content of Kendrick, who definitely has a deeper message connected to his community than J cole (For example, Good Kid mAAd city vs 2014 Forest Hills Drive, or TPAB vs 4 your eyez only). Saying J Cole is more hip hop just because of the aesthetic of his music without evaluating their message at all seems pretty superficial to me. Not only that, J Cole never has and never will make an album as unique, as true to hip hop, and as out of the "pop" mainstream as Kendrick did with TPAB.
@@danielbottlik2604 Clearly you haven't heard Friday Night Lights
Daniel Bottlik what are you talking about this man literally put North Carolina on the map ... Compton was already big before kdot everyone in the entire state of NC has felt he effect of Coles music and everything he’s put into the community
Daniel Bottlik you must have not actually listened to the warm up , Friday night lights or born sinner those are straight hip hop albums . IMO Kendrick does things Cole can’t do and Kendrick does things Cole can’t do it’s a yin yang thing for me that’s why everyone is waiting for their album to drop like it’s really gonna change the game done correctly
I love the fact that I got to witness the rise of all three of these LEGENDS. And it aint over yet.
Trust YouMe Exactly I may not be the biggest Drake fan but I'm happy he made it. It Was touch and go at the start for all of them. Drake didn't have an image rap fans could take seriously. Cole was in the shadow of Hov and hit his wave slow. K dot didn't have the exposure but they all pulled it off.
Drake ain't a damn legend
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RandomxNachos bruh he's a legend just not the best like k dot and Cole smh
Trust YouMe Not on the same level by far! By yes.. their legends
Murs did you just say Drake has maintained his credibility as a lyricist.
Listen to So far Gone mixtape, room for improvement mixtapes and comeback season
Cell-Tube how do those have anything to do with maintaining his credibility as a lyricist?? Those are all from before 2010
ProdByOnetime because you probably didn’t know he was a lyricist hence listen to those tapes and features.
lv//deo TML, Take Care, NWTS, and More Life contains some of if not most/all his best rap songs with straight lyricism that would've made some of the greats before him fuckin proud
Diplomatic Immunity proves that statement is true 💯
If Hip Hop was food:
DRAKE: Fast food. Cheap easy, what everyone goes for.
JCOLE: Food truck Taco's, still cheapish. Chill, accessible to a lot of people. Tasty as fuck.
KDOT: Fancy five star dish. Might not necessarily be as tasty as a taco but complex and you appreciate how hard it is to make. Not everyone can appreciate it
MUMBLE RAP: White bread and mayonnaise
U looking like j. Cole brother and shit
JC jcoles actual brother is white😂
JC is that his real hair or a wig
he looks like cole in 2 years if he doesnt start cutting his hair
JC now we know where J. Cole got his new hair style from
Man this video is more accurate today than ever. Great analysis my man
I swear y'all niggas really hate for no reason . J cole and Kendrick and drake are the top 3 of this generation. Whether you like it or not . Even if you aren't a fan of them there's no need to just bash them . Yes drake has worked with people before but don't get it twisted that somebody has been doing all this shit for him and hes only getting on the mic . Drake can write and can also produce. And for the j.cole shit I just don't understand it . Y'all sleeping on him for real . And Kendrick I really don't see anyone hating . But I hop it's cause y'all actually fans and not just jumping on the bandwagon.
most of the time its bandwagon for kendrick
Hood Pope agreed as a fan. You'll see a lot of people loving him since DAMN came out
f grand define this generation. Do you mean like past 5 years or do you mean since the beginning of 2000? In my mind when I think of generation defining artists it's Eminem, 50, drake, Kendrick, Kanye. Size wise J. Cole doesn't come close to them in terms of how big of an effect they had on hip-hop. Side note, I do find Drake massively inconsistent, Views was wank, IYRTITL is his best album along with take care. Kendrick, Eminem and Kanye are the biggest hip-hop artists of the ones I mentioned.
Drake is top 3 pop artist of this generation. Views, Take Care and Nothing was the same are POP/RnB Classics.
nothing was the same was more rap than pop
Eminem in rap god: "it's not hip-hop, it's pop, cause I found a hella way to fuse it" basically him saying he's hip-pop
I don't have problem with him collabing with pop artists in general. Some of his collaborations were wack but for me Love The Way You Lie is a good song that gets hate just because people are narrow minded.
J Cole Greatest right now, Rapper/Producer/Writer the man does it ALL that's what separates him from everybody else
MY MAN. I could cry right now. Finally somebody understands what I've been saying all along. This is so beautifully and logically crafted. A true testament to the appreciation of the new culture of music. I've heard countless times people refusing to even listen to any of this new wave simply because "it's not real rap". I'm showing this video to everybody I debate about it with from now on. Huge round of applause, and a define subscribe.
It's a shame how people call J. Cole boring and don't give him the credit he deserves. If J. Cole would have waited and released FNL and or The Warm Up this year. Y'all haters would be ghost rn
Ivan Hernandez yeah because those mixtapes are way better than his albums. It's not hard to understand.
Ivan Hernandez
boring =/= bad. J. Cole's music is boring to me but he is a great rapper. You can be a great rapper and make boring music.
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Deavionne Burnett are you mad because J Cole's music doesn't appeal to me?
yous a lame na
I just can‘t take Drake serious since he has ghostwriters.
Your dumb if you believe stupid allegations
bruh literally all quetin miller did was a write like 6 hooks and a verse but then u niggas act like drake never write a lyric in his life
Thats too funny, quentim wrote a hook on know yourself and people since then believe that every song drake has its ghostwritten LFMAO
It ppl like you who don’t do research
Lmao... we're living in one the greatest era's in hip hop and people just wanna tear down the the three marquee rappers of the era because they can't stop STANING. Fuckin pathetic
Darrel Be 💯
Darrel Be ikr
Hip-hop has always been in the greatest era
I don't know if I'd even consider this one of the greatest eras. There are great rappers fa' sho. But every era has great rappers.
Clorox Bleach *one of
Can't we all just stop arguing and enjoy these artists while they're still here for us
J. Cole too much logic to be an acceptable comment , please don't comment again.
Idk man, the point of the video is to have a constructive conversation about it...even Murs said so himself
Poet Cool Awesome skills beautiful good vibe can rap good poetry powered
I appreciate the 3-lane theory- it formalized what was previously intuition- but my question is actually unrelated: who designed those posters in the background of this video? I'd love to support the artist and purchase some myself
Laura Smith the artist is Dale Edwin Murray. www.daleedwinmurray.com
“Honestly, it’s just music, you either enjoy it or you don’t” 👏🏼 Amen
Drake ain't good on the mic no more when it comes to bars. I still get haunted by that Chaining Tatum line lmfaooo
DENILSON THOMAS. You & the 6, 4am in Toronto, The Calm, Fear... pure hate
Cool Beans nigga did you not read my shit right?!? I said drake ain't good on the mic NO MORE, as in nowadays he's garbage lyrically. All those songs you just named are old asf, back when he actually wanted spit bars. Fuck outta here with yo hate.
Nah your right, ever since IYRTITL he has too many struggle bars
DENILSON THOMAS. Do not Disturb, Lose You for sure and 4pm in calabasas
Dannick Butera 🚮
Future has 3 platinum albums and he's a mumble rapper.......
lilbrodi nemesisr!ch he was one of the first popular mumble rappers, because of this to me he gets a pass for being original enough.
He can thank his producers
lilbrodi nemesisr!ch I bet nobody in this comment section even knows future was kinda popping back in the day and actually had bars
News or something is badass I can't deny that.
lilbrodi nemesisr!ch stupid people buy stupid music.
I feel like Kenny should be hip hop not hip pop and that highkey pisses me off
Daniel Mendoza GKMC is not hip pop besides poetic justice. every song on there is hip hop. and i kinda agree with the DAMN thing but i still think he stayed to his roots
I thought i was the only one who was pissed at Kendrick being under hip pop
Young Boy Flaco the recipe don't exist? Or black boy fly?
awesomebrawler1 i meant that it is a real hip hop album dog. sorry wrong words
Kendrick makes pop records tho. Loyalty, Love, and God are all hip-pop records off his new album
I just thought about it. Why hasn't there been any new segments of this lately.
As drake got more pop tho, his lyrics have definitely got worse - if you listen to Take Care, and then come back to views, it's like listening to two different artists completely
Matt Lyons agreed.
“Niggas quick to double cross like both of us christian”
Cuz he don't write his shit nomore lol, he just chase hits, nowadays if u want hits it gotta be like 10% lyricism and 90% Melody and beat
Matt Lyons agreed
Drake will be back 2018 to give us a summary
his next full album gonna top everything again
Mute Me I like that song
As opposed to a playlist..?
Hood Pope Again? Last decent album of his was take care...
Mute Me ....more life. !
Fucking quality video. Agree with the theory and think these kings deserve so much credit for straightening up mainstream hiphop, though autotune mumble has put a dent in that but id almost put it in a different genre/category to normal speech hiphop either way its happy days hopefuly europe follows soon so i dont have to hear fucking despacito everywhere give me bars
Brofreso wtf are u doing here hahaha
I’m definitely going to have to disagree Kendrick doesn’t make pop albums at all. J cole has way more mainstream sounding style. Kendrick is way more street grit
NPC007 completely agree with this, as soon as he said cole was hip hop over lamar, I went 🤔
Yeh kendrick is much more creative, always trying to use a new sound and new style , i mean if his songs chart on billboard doesn't mean it has become pop ,
Damn is more pop I feel and he is moving away from more of a street somewhat gangsta rap but he isn’t pop at all
Kendrick is more pop lately, Cole was forced to be pop by Jay z....
Caira Williams Kendricks newest album is only more “pop” (even though it’s just more commercial) because people were telling him to be more commercial and no one thought he would listen so he did. Also Cole is not pop at all neither is Jay-Z so that can’t be right
Drake and lyrical legitimacy definitely don't go in the same sentence
I don't know if you're just a blind hater, or haven't heard his music, but you're so wrong about this lol.
i was already scratching my head when he called him a lyricist lmao boy completely lost me at kendrick isn’t hiphop
we talkin bout drake?
he is a talented lyricist, he just typically doesn't use it anymore
you can check out some of his older songs like 5am in Toronto or 4am in calabasas to see what I mean, or his verse on fuckin problems
of course I know there is, was giving examples
Cave_Hamster Cubone HE DONT WRITE IT YOU DUMB FUCK
Don’t you dare disrespect wiz kid like that bro. 😏 dood said unknown artist 🤦🏿♂️
it's fucked up man 😂😂💔
Watching this waay late and when he mentioned Mac Miller my heart sank RIP
"virtually unknown african vocalist"
can you still say that
He should never have said that to begin with
@@stillbigjosh nigga this was 3 years ago and yes he could say lmao who tf y’all think he is he’s bigger now but stop it
Like if k dot the best in the game🔥
K Dot might be the G.O.A.T.
Yung Sqwayne Sorry Drake WON 8rings
Kendrick jus got his 1st😂
That Work of wat?😂😂
James Perry Nobody cares about that. Drake doesn't write his own lyrics, bites flow and isn't even a rapper. Kendrick is the best lyricist, best flow and he has 3 classics.
James Perry awards are irrelevant while talking about the best. And since you don't even know what "G.O.A.T" means you have no say in who is best. Go listen to goat by Eminem, you'll find out what it means
A mumble rapper with 2 platinum albums and selling out arenas? hmmm how we just forget about Future
Bruce Sales RIGHT they never wanna give that nigga his credit!😤 he might not be your cup of tea and he might not be a lyricist but Dude got hits and frfr probably an impact on the game as well since niggas is doing his style🔥
oh shit u right
Bruce Sales NOT mumble hes trap
Bruce Sales He's talking about lyricists a.k.a. actual rappers
I fuck with future and lil uzi and all them but it's not rap
Current state of Hip Hop:
Pop
Hip pop
Trap hop
Hip hop
Drake cant be compared with j cole and kendrick
this was great!
Lyrical legitimacy of his ghost writer
I’m old and out of touch but J Cole sounds exactly halfway between Kendrick’s hip hop and Drake’s soul-pop
I'm a year late...this dude really said wizkid is unknown😂
Bigger part of the world rates him🙄
I fucking love J. Cole
Murs you are the man. Get your self on this list ! I'm always pumping your shit!
Anyone know what happened to J Cole and Kendrick's collab album they said they was going to do last year?
They said we are not ready for the album or what they have to say, that's what they said..
Phonte and Little Brother heavily underrated or underappreciated. (Big pooh even playing in the back)
Cole transitioned from hip pop to hip hop through his albums gradually over the couse of his career, while kendrick alternates from hip hop to hip pop every album.
Pretty cool.
Drake + Kendrick + jcole = much needed collab.
Hey Murs can we get a breakdown on your career and the underground scene?
They need to have a collab album. Cole, Drake & Kendrick are definitely some of my favorite rappers right now.
This is why murs is one of the best, most matured and understanding reviewer of all time.
So we’re gonna pretend J Cole is less “pop” than Kendrick?
And where do the trap rappers fit into this?
They don't. Other than maybe Kevin Gates (his sound is kind of trap) they're trash lol
Jacob Hudman Your argument is trash
J cole is Hip pop and kendrick is Hip Hop
Mr Joker facts
Personally, I think my favorite artist, Eminem, started out as pure Hip Hop until Recovery, which he crossed over into Hip Pop and even Pop on a couple songs (Love The Way You Lie is a perfect example) and he went back to more Hip Hop on the Marshall Mathers LP 2 and changed back to Hip Pop and Pop in Revival (except Offended is a beast ass Hip Hop song). Not to mention his single with Sia, Guts Over Fear, which I’m not sure whether to qualify it as Hip Pop or Pop.
Eminem is mainly Hip-Hop, and he's just dabbled in some Pop sometimes for variety, like in some parts of Recovery and Revival. MMLP 2 was a little bit rock-rap, but still strong Hip-Hop. His last 2 albums have been pure Hip-Hop too, and not pop
Categories of The Hip Hop Culture:
Hip Hop- conscious, communicative, substance, lyrical.
Rap- punchlines, metaphors, trash talk.
Pop- Rap style, not from the community, flow.
Today's generation is Rap music.
Henry Stewart III So wrong. Hip hop is the culture. Rap is the way you’re practicing the culture.
Henry Stewart III you can rap in a pop song and still not hiphop
I dont even know if there's a generation of hip hop now
By your logic kendrick is hip hop and rap both
J cole is the greatest lyricist rapper right now..
Kendrick???
Egg_Destroyer12 Kendrick is a better lyricist imo.
I'm like "Shit, where is KOD" and then I'm like "Oh, this was made in 2017."
Wiz kid is virtually 'unknown'....🤔 maybe you don't know about him but he is a thing..... a very known thing
well here in the US... not really
i felt insulted lmao
It's so many Kendrick dick riders in the comments. lol I listen to all three and they're all good at what they do. And I agree with this 100%.
Damfmir L
Damfmir all three of them are garbage!
Neverstar-X then who do you think is the best
Neverstar-X Oh no we got a birdman fan over here 😂😭
thats yo best comeback hahaaha yo new school niggas are so corny lol nigga i never even mention a single named about who i listen to. so yeah try again.
shout out to Murs, he keeps getting better every episode
Kendrick is like jazz-hop rapper
Richy M naw u mean chance that rapper
MrVaxnate chance the rapper too
Richy M that’s who I meant lol fuckin keaboard
Kendrick sometimes does jazz hop but for the most part Kendrick is raw hip hop don't get it twisted
thats mostly just tpab, which is the best album of the decade
Did you just call wizkid virtually unknown? Wtf
He has a hijab made of hair and beard.
RainUponMe just made my day yo!!!! Good Look'n out!
😂😂😂
3 leaders of the new school Drake x Kendrick Lamar x J Cole
Dont even mention drake with kdot and cole. THATS disrespect
Ye drake is trash
I think this Black Panther soundtrack is gonna be a switch back to Hip Hop
Just A Lonely Mudkip what do you mean?? I think i iam feeling what you saying but i need a lil more juice....
Like for the industry! If so yo in SUPPORTING THAT ALL THE WAY YO!!!
Were you right?
Drake makes alot of songs then disappears
J Cole releases music then goes on tour and it sells out in 1 month
Kendrick Lamar dropping videos from his projects enough said
Reed Jenkins lol recently k dot and cole put albums out like 2 years later
Romeo Cross Yeah I noticed that
Penis
florence icu L comment
Up coming Rapper: Damn drake... this is a nice beat what flow your gonna use on it.
Drake: yours!! *open sharigan eye*
You ain’t giving Nelly enough credit 🤦♂️
According to this the only difference between hip-hop and "hip pop" is the production where hip pop has more dedicated production, while still having a message and good lyrics. Wouldn't that automatically place hip pop above hip-hop?
insane the way this aged
My Top 3:
1) J. Cole VS Kendrick Lamar
2) Drake
Clifton Pierre-Antoine agreed
Jackie Osei, thanks! Waiting for the haters, now.
That's not really a top 3
Cole, Logic, Kendrick, Drake
Kaizer-Man 😂😂😂
Yo were do u get your hip hop pictures in the back. They go hard🔥🔥
"KENDRICK LAMAR"
1. ADHD
2. Backseat Freestyle
3. Bitch Dont Kill My Vibe
4. Alright
5. Fk Your Ethnicity
6. Hiii Power
7. How Much Do A Dollar Cost
8. Money Trees
9. Sing About Me
10. Swimming Pools
11. Vanity Slaves
12. Ronald Regan
13. Madd city
14. DNA
15. The Blacker The Berry
16. Humble
17. King Kunta
18. The Art of Peer Pressure
19. Pray For Me
20. Ignorance Is Bliss
Vs
"DRAKE"
1. Best I Ever Had
2. Over
3. Successful
4. Fancy
5. 0 to 100
6. Free Smoke
7. Jumpman
8. Started From The Bottom
9. Summer Sixteen
10. Marvins Room
11. 6 God
12. Headline
13. Lord Knows
14. Gods Plan
15. Forever
16. Energy
17. Hotline Bling
18. Worst Behavior
19. Controlla
20. 5Am In Toronto
Vs
"J.COLE"
1. Middle Child
2. Lights Please
3. In The Morning
4. KOD
5. Tale of Two Cities
6. No More Role Models
7. 4 Your Eyez Only
8. Crooked Smile
9. False Prophets
10. Simba
11. Wet Dreams
12. Apparently
13.03' Adolescence
14. Brackets
15. Love Yourz
16. 1985
17. Power Trip
18. Before Im Gone
19. Farwell
20. Dollar and a Dream II
I've been saying this for the longest time!
Hip-Hop
Hip-Pop
& Pop
Are all in the Over all Hip-Hop genre of today, they are just different categories of it.
I was very open minded when listening to this dude and after having time to think about it he's right! They have been switching
back and forth but successfully compared to the genres predecessors. And because of it they've not only became so popular, made some much money and status AND have been able to continue to be consistent with the content they put out, but also haven't fallen from their platform for whatever reason period!
Now I will say this. I do feel some type of way that he didn't add another category that's Hip-Rock. For this category you have many to list that don't even get noticed and these are great artists! That are very underated:
(not calling Eminem underrated but adding him to this list because he has some tracks like this)
-Eminem
-Yelawolf
-Machine Gun Kelly
-Kid Rock
-Beastie Boys
-Linkin Park
-Rage Against the Machine
-Limp Bizkit
-P.O.D.
-Tech N9ne
Now I realize most of these guys aren't knew but there really should be more of them with similar skill level as yelawolf. The man raps and makes sense while having you enjoy another dimension of hip hop that can be very enjoyable after all it's music.
💭📝💭📝💭
I would love to just have a sit down with this man and talk music and understand everything he thinks of current hip hop and pop
"DAMN" won a Pulitzer prize. That's one really, really big middle finger.
So this is the big 3 they talking about