GoPro Hero12 Black Review: Is It Still the BEST Action Camera?
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
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The GoPro Hero11 Black was the biggest upgrade we've seen in the GoPro line in years. As is a yearly tradition, the Hero12 Black has just arrived with a suite of new features. Bluetooth headset compatibility, a log profile, and less overheating are the headline features, but are those enough to make it worth upgrading? Chris Niccolls catches fish and answers questions.
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0:00 - Intro
2:15 - Design
3:19 - Overheating and battery life
4:01 - Max Lens Mod 2.0
4:21 - Square sensor advantages
5:02 - Log recording
5:36 - Bluetooth support
6:45 - Horizon Lock
7:43 - Autoboost Stabilization
8:28 - Quick App
9:26 - Should you buy it? - Věda a technologie
Hey - you didn't mention that GPS was removed from 11 to 12. Might not be important for a lot of people, but it might in part explain the better battery life in certain modes.
Removed GPS and the case in the package. Saved USD 2 in production.
Didn’t always turn on gps but anything moving fast we did. Loses speed overlays or tracking of where that location was. Seems crazy omission.
So another review where any slight improvement over "11" is highlighted, but not a word is said about the complete removal of certain functionality?
removal of gps alone wouldn't explain it. I'm thinking more efficient cpu
@@legendp2011 "all the power conservation was done in firmware"
How about reviewing the main competitor for GoPro - DJI Osmo Action 4?
As an advantage, it has control over sharpness and quick-release mount.
The main advantage of Osmo is that it does not overheat.
But the action 4 doesn't take crisp still pictures from videos
Interesting. The internal mic sounded much better than those earbuds (in terms of voice quality).
Bluetooth headsets have decent microphones but the Bluetooth standard compresses the audio quality to fit the microphone stream out and the audio stream in. Unfortunate
Basic BT codec (I assume SBC) designed for phone call conversation cannot provide the SQ of a high quality BT codec for music. Ear bud microphones are designed with this in mind and they are small, cheap and designed to capture only mid tone frequencies.
The internal mic on the 11 too is fairly good, esp for GoPro and if you put a foam cover over it - audio used to be a total nightmare with the older ones lol
Recently bought an 11 and 11 Mini. Both overheat after five mins on max setting, in moderate temps (I’m in Scotland). GoPro, looks like you’re reading the comments; please solve the overheating issues in future iterations. No point in a high res sensor and great bit rate if it’s unusable
Strange, the only time GP overheated for me when recording inside a car, on a sunny day. Fixed by turning on AC and under-the-windshield blowers so that there was some airflow around camera.
Theres a lot of great tests to show that Gopros really only have overheating issues in studio scenarios. not sure how youre using it, but with any wind at all they usually dont overheat.
they also overheat when uploading to the GoPro cloud with the battery inside. I take out the battery when uploading to cloud to avoid killing the battery.@@WeekendWarriors87
“Not all about tubular surfing shots and radical bmx videos that get you totally stoked”: that’s pretty much the only I reason why I watch Chris and Jordan! This action camera and Chris with his OM camera and he is set! Liked the 1/4 20, sad you still need either the media mod or adapter for an external mike, don’t think the ear bud sounded good at all…not really concerned about the GPS feature taken away (likely how the battery time improved). Generally modest improvements, not the 1 inch sensor everyone was talking about/expecting, but I think that’s ok. Nice fishing spot btw! Thanks guys!
Nice to see you fishing Chris! I skipped the 11 but I'm seriously thinking of the 12. The Log, mount, open gate, horizon level in all modes and extra battery life are all things I have really wanted.
Taking out the GPS sucks. That is a very helpful feature for general reference of locations for videos and pictures. The people who use overlays and speed tracking on their videos must be REALLY bummed.
That's the sole reason why I recently bought the GoPro 11. Location data for photos, so years later I can see where in Google Photos my picture was taken.
yeah, I pre-ordered my 12 black when there was no mention of GPS and I am returning it now for full refund. If GoPro was really oriented towards its customers it would have made a GPS version and a no GPS version to see who wants which. Taking out GPS in 2023 without offering an alternative such as Quik mobile functionality or bluetooth remote with GPS, is a big drawback.
on GoPro's website the 11 costs the same as the 12 with bundled accessories, no discount. not worth it@@DrivingPhilippines
Thanks for taking the time to review HERO12 Black, glad you had it when the rain started! Even better to see the fish were biting. Good feedback on the new Bluetooth audio support, we appreciate it!🎧
I am confused as to why the only way to get audio monitoring on screen is when using media mod on the 11. Nothing I have seen tells me I can monitor audio on screen if I use a Bluetooth mic on the 12. The blue tooth mic support is exciting but I can not trust using external mics when I have no way to monitor the audio.
Removing the GPS based on "no one was using it in the app" was an ASININE decision. No one who uses the GPS USES THE APP. We use real software like Telemetry Overlay. You just killed the product for THOUSANDS of us. No buy.
your drones are the best
@@garypranzo9334 so they can sell you a media mod.
@@_o__o_ they make drones now?
I’ve had a GoPro Hero 3 black for about 10 years, and this is the first time since then I’ve been really inclined/compelled to upgrade. It’s always felt like slightly gimmicky upgrades that never really cut it for me. Now having 10 bit 4K+ resolution with a true log profile and timecode, it’s something that can truly fit into a professional pipeline and still have the convenience of a consumer product
Yep half these features could have been firmware updates to the 11
or go for a better one, DJI Action 4. idk
not half. all of them. but then nobody would buy the 12
@@JaxsonNZ
Please review action 4 also. And compare hero 12 with action 4. That will be great
Yes, please do this! I use GoPros day-in, day-out and there's a lot that could be improved… is a DJI camera a better choice? Specifically in terms of the camera not crashing every 3 hours and needing the battery pulling out.
Thanks guys! Can't wait for your review of the new GoPro 13, in the next little while. Looks like it will be a massive improvement.
I have two GoPro 11's I use for motorcycle filming. I am lucky if I can get 5 minutes before overheating and locking up, in moderate temps around 75 or 80 degrees F. Then I have to remove my mics, take it out of the media case, and remove the battery to reset it. Horrible. However, image quality and stabilization is AMAZING, and why I continue to put up with the issues. Love your reviews, BTW.
Beautiful colors in this episode!
Great review!
Great video, as always! 😊 I have the GoPro 10, maybe I'll get a 12 and use both for different perspectives
Glad to see you guys again - I was wondering what happened after DP Reviews. Thanks for an informative & helpful video. After months of people trashing GoPro online before and after the release, (when then didn’t even have info) it was feeling like U.S politics all over again. Thanks for staying factual, sane, and grounded - it is what I have ways appreciated about your work. All the best, Bob
Nice review - good luck
Cool when is the better dji osmo 4 review
I haven't grabbed a GoPro since the 5 way back. I may get this one, if I can't find a 3 for a great deal. I do like the mount on the new one. Just seems more convenient for sure.
Funny thing is, on current Sony Xperia phones when you use the VideoPro or CinemaPro apps you can monitor sound levels and adjust (in app) with Bluetooth headphones. There's a bit of delay but you can hear what you're recording which is helpful. Odd they haven't implemented in their cameras
I just came from the 7 and 8. I can't wait to see how if there is going to be any difference in the video quality. They all ways seem like its 720p at best when im out filming.
Wow that was a big trout... nice catch
dude that catch and release shot was legit
Thank you for this review :)
I'm using a GoPro8 for my hiking channel.
Do you think I should upgrade to GoPro12 or DJI Action 4?
you said there is the possibility to make 360 degree video pairing 2 gopros together. how would you do that? and how would the videos be stiched to make 360 degree video? the maximul FOV for h12b is 177 degrees with max lens mod 2.0, but with massive distortion...
Thanks for your video, Chris.
I believe that the DJI Action 4 is a better choice than the GoPro Hero 12. I know that I've switched to DJI for action cameras now (I'm a UAV operator, so already enjoy the DJI brand).
It would have been wonderful for GoPro to introduce a new larger sensor (i.e. 1 inch).
Yeah, the sensor jump is so significant.
I wish we could see even bigger sensors :p
The best reason I can think of to explain their reluctance to integrate a ¼ inch x 20 before, I theorise, is that when introduced, the unit and its unique mount were both produced almost exclusively by GoPro. At that time, supplemental mounts and add-ons were a lucrative part of the company's structure. But the very fact that it became a "de-fact" standard meant that an increasing number of 3rd party vendors were disrupting that particular revenue stream. If I recall rightly, their sales have been lagging relative to previous glory days, so cost cutting on a diminishing portion of an overall diminishing T.A.M. makes sense. Keeping the "wings" is obligatory so legacy users don't feel abandoned, but the indicator to watch for will be a decline in accessory production and sales, if such data is available.
Was wondering where you guys went! Glad to have found this new channel. Still in Alberta? Lucky! Alberta and B.C., only about a thousand times better than Wrongtario. Just made that up- I should patent the name!
@PetaPixel do you have recommendations for GoPro accessories/mounts?
Didn’t realise you can purchase that new 1/4” mount as a replacement part on like of Amazon and Ali express too for older models.
Aloha~ yes i am re-learining setup list since it is new upgrade settings comapre to my gp9 and gp10blk..so far no problems...my biggest worry is the battery overheating...does anyone know if recording on normal sunny day on 4k60 how long does avg enduro bettery last? Mahalo!
Does the HDR for video work well with the GoPro 12? I’m enjoying the DJI 4 I recently picked up, but but it often blows out highlights in high contrast light.
LOL, Jordan's reaction after hitting the GoPro with a dart. 😂
Hello Mr Drake, may I ask what lens are you using on the S5IIx?
I got GP H9B lol.
Time for an upgrade. When's the trade-in program opening up though?
I haven't been following GoPro update for awhile, but man, this is an awesome toy! 😯👍
I've been waiting for you to do a review of the DJI Action 4. Is that coming?
Does it still require media mod to connect a microphone?
the bluetooth mic sound quality is pretty poor unfortunately.
All bluetooth microphones sound terrible. That is not a gopro thing. Best option is a rode or saramonic or DJI wireless mic.
literally the only people i can imagine using this are fighter pilots lmao
I believe airpods have better quality, but it's of not DJI, Rode, Saramonic quality
This is of no fault to the GoPro but only to the bluetooth mic, the better the mic the better the audio.
Biggest benefit of the Bluetooth mic support is camera audio commands at a distance. “GoPro start/stop recording” etc…
The GoPro is definitely useful for a lot more than just action, but for general family fun, fishing, etc, the Olympus Tough TG6 or the new TG7 is a better choice because of zoom lens, faster aperture, amazing macro abilities, built-in flash, etc I love my GoPro, but I don't try to make it do everything.
Just pre-ordered the 12 with Max Lens Mod 2.0. Should ship out in a few days. My current driver is a Hero 9 which I have a love\hate relationship with. 😂
I am returning my 12. no GPS. 11 is better. Max Lens Mod 2.0 at Hyperview distorts too much. the only good part is 4k60fps with horizon lock but you get that even without those lens on. plus the MAx Lens has only 1 profile. don't know why. the 2.0 lens should be made to work also with hero 11 black since it has the same sensor, but due to marketing it won't happen.
Go with the DJI Osmo Action 4
Doesn't seem much have changed since 10 version and that was such a problem for me. Overheating, battery swelling, kept hanging, wonky touchscreen, wonky battery door, proprietary format (for example highlights cant be imported in Pr), weird menus, can't rename settings and so on. Also it is way bigger now since the earlier versions. Primary bought it for slowmo but the slowmo is bad quality. Built in pins are a good thing tho, but they are not very stable. The stabilization is very good but has quirks, can't pan very good for example it gets confused.
I've been using every gopro since the 7, you conceived me of just keeping the 11 until we see what gopro brings with the 13
When will they add true 24 FPS recording to the regular firmware? I know the Labs firmware has it but would like it for non-Labs users.
What do you mean by 'true 24 fps'??
Nice roll cast
What about a aps-c themed video. Aps-c deserve some promotion considering price to performance ratio
The new log format and open gate recording are interesting but I decided to never buy another GoPro again after continual problems with the 7, 9 and, as a last shot, the 10. Randomly turning itself on, overheating, corrupt files etc etc. These issues are well documented by end users but rarely addressed by reviewers. They're just not reliable and the competition is much better these days.
Early tests of the Hero 12 show overheating and most of the other problems to either be fully or mostly fixed. Hero 11 was fine as well for most of it so long as you knew its limits, peoples expectations are just outside the current limits of the available technology.
@@Bellaire_IsaacThen why do none of these problems exist with the Action 4..or 3 for that matter? They address the issues people hate about go pro. Poor low light, overheating, terrible reliability, subpar battery life GoPro is doing things no one wants or asked for, and not addressing the issues that annoy people.
@@strongereveryday2302 What's the issue for you. One camera line did not run into problems (in final product release) and one camera line did. The first camera line did not have a problem to fix so of course could not fix it, the other line fixed or at least greatly improved upon the problem that only exists in some use cases.
I have no clue why the issues existed for GoPro and not DJI. However, from what I have seen online at least, the Action 4 still does not produce 'good' low light footage and in most cases that I have seen online I would rather have to work with the GoPro footage over the DJI footage. (I am using the DC Rainmaker OA4 v GP11 low light test as a reference) GoPro has now addressed the bulk of the overheating problem, reliability issues, and boosted battery life. At this point is comes down more to how you use the camera for if it runs into an issue or not. Do you really need to record 4k 120fps for LONGER then 20 Minutes in one take? Or 5.3k 60fps for Longer then an hour in one take?
@@Bellaire_Isaac people's expectations are for a product to work reliably.
@@followtheboat I agree. I know that people have run into problems and I don’t mean to discount or ignore that. All I mean to say is that I struggle to find reason to complain about issues on past models that appear to be fixed. If they develop then they develop, but I find it poor logic to state that they ‘happen’ instead of noting it as a ‘could happen’. Also, any of the tests I have seen only show that it has limitations not problems. As I have no intention to push the limits then I don’t see that as a problem for me. I know I might very well end up biting my words here but I just see so many people pointing out issues with the 7/8/9/10 and automatically passing them onto the 12. To me if the problem does exist in the past but (at least to my current knowledge) is fixed then I see that more as a thing to keep in mind then a problem. I know that a lot of people have greif with GoPro but I don’t and from what my research indicates I dont have reason to make the greif my own, at the very least not yet.
this was fantastically better at selling this camera to me than even their release video.
The one thing I wished is for him to tie the g pro and through it in the water and show how well it can show what's happening underwater from his smartphone. ............
As a mountain biker having little to no distortion is important for me, so I want to see some tests of that. So far I've not seen anyone show and compare it.
Chris, which WW2 aeroplane would be best for fly fishing?
Probably the Ilyushin IL2. Excellent low flight characteristics. Tons of armoured protection against walk and wade fisherman firing anti aircraft guns at you, to keep you away from their favorite spots. And you got bombs for when the fishing gets really slow and you just want to take home some fish.
I see this camera has a L+ mode, L being Linear, but not seen L+ mode showcased, but haven't seen any of the modes compared. Have them modes and lenses changed?
8:29 beautiful background!
Thinking of getting the GoPro12. But that mic audio is horrible. 😮
3:00 who made this camera and what did they do to the real GoPro company? (and yes while I haven't been asking for that I've been wishing for it for years
@2:20 Is that an Insta360 branded microSD card in your GoPro? 😁
That thumbnail… *chef’s kiss*
I prefer the DJI Action 4
Dji is too chinese. gopro is not much
Staying with the 11 for now
How many times did it crash on you?
I'd like if GoPro have UVC built-in without needing software install.
6:03 of course you cannot monitor audio from the microphone through the same pair of BT headphones. The latency will be so delayed that the slow echo of you own voice will drive you nuts defeating the purpose of monitoring.
Correct, but we'd love the option to monitor the internal mics to check for rubbing, vibration or wind noise.
- Jordan
I preorder it. Cant wait to see your Opinions about it.Greetings from Germany
Why exactly? What do think is really better than the 11 or recent Osmo Action?
@@Ashmodai I haven't owned a GoPro yet so this will be my first. I like the features it has. The Osmo has a bigger sensor and therefore better dynamic range but unfortunately not the Light Painting, Vehicle Light Trails and Star Trails features. It meets my needs in that regard and that's all I need to know. Regards
do you recommend Hero 12 or Action 4 (GoPro or DJI)???
hero 11 black
@GoPro This is a big disappointment. I use my old GoPro for footage of motorcycle rides and Jeep rides deep in the woods, and the GPS log is important for that. So this is a big downgrade in my opinion. I was really hoping the 12 would be a much bigger upgrade from the 11, with a 1 inch sensor, 4K/120p or better.
"The GoPro Hero11 Black was the biggest upgrade we've seen in the GoPro line in years"
I guess that's technically true if you define "years" as "exactly 2 years", but mostly it's just sad.
I was hoping you'd tie the camera and cast it with the fishing rod, so we can see some underwater footage.
I'm still happy with my GoPro Hero 9. Not much of an upgrade here other than the nice 10-bit Log. Given I don't use GoPro cameras much, I'll keep passing unless I get into filming extreme sports.
Is it 27mpx or 24.7mpx?
Better battery life is a winner - the Hero 11 kinda sucks butt in that regard. Love the totally tubular croquet shots.
...by removing the GPS. It's a loser.
I got the DJI Osmo Action 3. I would like to have the standard tripod mount. Now it's on the selfie stick which is not ideal place for it. I got Joby Gorilla pod for action cameras though.
Chris what reel is that?
😅
That's the Redington Rise 5/6 which I consider one of the best affordable reels ever made. Also it was the only one I could get access to that had a subtle olive tone to match the Winston Alpha+ 6 reel seat.
I am not interested in a GoPro but I did watch this video just for the fly fishing content.
Should I get a DJI Action 4 instead? I have a Hero9.
I moved from overheating POS Hero 9 Black to Osmo 4. Never will buy GoPro again. DJI is much much better overall.
I still think that Osmo Action 4 is far better choice. GoPro just lost their main game with the constant lack of ideas and innovation
Name 1 feature that is on the DJI Action 4 that GoPro does not have either an equivalent to or alternative for. I can provide the answer to the magnetic mounting right now as well, the GP12 brings in the 1/4 20 mount that you can use to adapt to ANY mount system, if you like the magnetic mounting then just adapt it to that. Also GPS does not count because it is not a native feature built into the camera, it is with the remote.
Inbuilt support for mics also does not count because GoPro now supports bluetooth mics, not the same but it is just a different answer.
The new DJI update just added what? Features that GoPro has had for YEARS... sure they are great to finally have on an Action 4 but are not new to action cameras.
GoPro over the past 3 years not only made horizon levelling but has nearly perfected it (oh that statement will age well) and supports bluetooth mics and earbuds now. GoPro are innovating just not at the rate people expect, but DJI are not innovating any more (from what we know at least and keeping the topic purely within the Action camera lineup) then GoPro is.
Innovation that is not well received or not what the consumer wants is still innovation.
Please though I would love to hear your answer.
Quote: "Name 1 feature that is on the DJI Action 4 that GoPro does not have either an equivalent to or alternative for." Larger 1/1.3 inch sensor?
@@user-bw5pn4qv9i GoPro 8:7 sensor. GoPro are fixing low light in different ways upcoming. A bigger sensor just lets more light in but the Action 4 still doesn't look like it knows how to use the brighter shadows. I personally would rathe work with footage that has little to no detail in the shadows then footage with bad detail in the shadows.
You can nitpick all day long about the larger sensor and I won't stop you. However, GoPro are placing their focus elsewhere for the time being and so saying that one focus is objectively better I will not accept. I totally get that people might go to the Action 4 for the larger sensor, and if it was the same price as the action 3 I might as well, but its just not worth it when I don't need the larger sensor anyway.
You can call out DJI for having a close to one inch sensor and that makes it better, I can call out GoPro for having a 8:7 aspect ratio. Different tools for different uses.
@@Bellaire_Isaac My DJI cameras don't crash as often as my GoPros
(excluding the Hero 3 & Hero 4, every GoPro I own has about 30% chance to lock up before the battery runs out)
round threaded adapter for ND filters. @@Bellaire_Isaac
wish gopro would add uvc
The best use of a GoPro is so Jordan doesn't have to go fishing with Chris and he still gets dragged fishing 🤣
First :)
Glad you're reviewing it, I personally couldn't find any differences...
Never thought I would buy a camera just for a 1/4 20
Please let us know what Bluetooth mic you used, so we can avoid it.
Amazon uses GoPro´s when they film "The Grand Tour". So they are great cameras for just about anything. I have 5 GoPros my self.
They drop the price of the new Gopro 12 to 399 (don't need a subscription for lower price). I like to a comparison between the DJI Action 4 and the new GoPro 12.
And if you have a subscription already, the GP 12 is at $299. No brainer to upgrade for me.
Yall are telling me half if not all these features could just be an update on the 11
The Internet mic sounded way better than the bluetooth. Otherwise the GoPro 12 looks pretty good. Way better than my Hero 8 for sure.
Your 8 has GPS.
@@ec-uploads a feature I've never used, for better or worse.
So remove it then? I've never used 5.3k. Guess they should remove it.@@JohnDrummondPhoto
*Yep Thanks for this, and I'll stick with my Hero 9 ...again*
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
why is everything so green? You've been shooting with Panasonic again, haven't ya? =)))
Gopro Hero12 sucks im waiting for panasonic g9 mark 2 coming next week with phase detection auto focus
Same processor as 11.
So here is why you might NEVER buy one of these:
Last spring I had the Hero 11 OVERHEAT. It was 82 degrees (28c) and full sun in April in Las Vegas.
The camera overheated, was unable to be used.
That is NOT a camera that you should buy.
Unless you are in Southern Alberta. I grew up there. It is under 25c like 95% of the year there.
Wifi off? Gps off? Display turn off after 1 min? Mine didn't overheat at all but well I use telesin metal cage which may help with heat disipation
Well I was recording in Croatia in 34C in direct sun, 5k60 and no overheat. I just rarely do clips longer than 5 mins.
@@bethonos Real use situations are the best.
Also this is the Hero 12 we are talking about. Not the Hero 11, and already there is a proven difference when it comes to overheating, if the ideal situations GoPro states for the camera don't apply then you still get 20+ minutes of 5.3k 60fps footage.
A- do you really need static 5.3 footage for longer than 20 min per take, and do you really need 60 fps for all of those 20 min?
B- if your answer to question a is yes then sorry but the GoPro is your only option for a 5.3k action camera.
@@Bellaire_Isaac well fair point. Every GoPro I’ve ever owned since the seven (I’ve owned all of them) overhead. My Insta360 cameras do not.
Same sensor AND same processor. GPS removed (or maybe just disabled) to ever so slightly improve battery life. Overheating still an issue. Firmware updated to give the illusion that it isn't a GoPro11. I can speak freely because I did not get a FREE GoPro 12.
what about GPS?
they removed it
yeah thought so, perhaps that would be a good thing to mention in a review @@wanderingjuniper
But you didn't mention the price
0:04😀
And they removed GPS from the 12
Until I see a fatter sensor I really don't care about these updates. Is a DJI Action 1/GoPro Hero 9 much worse? Not remotely.
its suppose to look like stars
Why stand there with waders and a fly rod when you don't show a single fly cast. Have bought the camera and will make beautiful videos on how to perform a fly cast.
Its too gimicky. Removing the gps is a non starter for me. Sensor is still garbage compared to the DJI Action 4.
Whoever made the decision to remove the GPS based on the app no one uses should be FIRED.
@@ec-uploads Lots of people use it, specifically for relocation of specific spots, when doing outdoor work. It's very useful especially if you are trying to historically track certain locations. So take your sarcasm and snark elsewhere and grow up.
You apparently can't even read. Try again, read slower. @@strongereveryday2302
I'll try and break it down into large pieces so you can understand what I said, which was in support of your statement. GoPro said "no one uses GPS based on app usage data". My comment was, this was stupid as most people, like me, who use the GPS DO NOT use the app. Jesus.....@@strongereveryday2302
It feels weird to review the GoPro Hero 12 without mentioning the elephant in the room - the DJI Osmo Action 4 - it's biggest competitor.