INSTANT SUBSCRIBE! Great review! Too many reviews seem to be little more than performance demo reels. You actually give key information about this product in an easy to follow manner. Thank you!
I like your reviews very much. Thank you. You mentioned that the keys of PX-S1100 are the “lightest” of the three digital pianos you have mentioned. Here are my tests for static pressure of these pianos (plus PX-S5000). Casio PX-S5000: Middle C (C4) - ~53g C7 - 60g C3 - ~60g C4# - 40g - 60g (middle of black key) Yamaha P-125a: Middle C (C4) - 50g C6 - 50g - 70g (middle of black key) Roland FP-10: C7 - 52g C6 - 63g C2 - 72g C3 - ~64g C4# - ~52g - ~64g (middle of black key) --------------------------------------- I like PHA-4 the most. It is weighted better than the other actions, I do not play sounds by barely pressing the keys (like with GHS) and the white keys are easily pressed close to the fulcrum (Casio PX-S pianos listed are very bad in this respect). Unfortunately, PHA-4 has this strange action clicking noise that occasionally happens. The frequency of its occurrence increases with time of piano use (as I said before - I already returned three PHA-4 digital pianos in 2021) I play mostly classical music pieces. Michael Ps. I do not care much about sounds of most lower end digital pianos because I use them as MIDI controllers for my piano VSTs.
Very detailed and overall amazing review. Easily the best review I have seen in a while. Keep it up! (Also, this helped me choose which keyboard to buy and I am very thankful for that!)
@@PianoTone i have tried out korg rh3 action and Casio pxs1000 and Yamaha p125 action. For what I felt korg > Yamaha > casio in terms of sluggishness, i also like medium light action so korg felt very difficult to play. Haven't tried Roland's pha-4 and kawai es110, after that hopefully I will be able to make my mind.
Great review! I’ve almost made up my mind on the PXS-1100, though my reasons are different: 1) It has the right dimensions to fit inside my work desk drawer, especially the height, which is almost half of the Roland or Yamaha. 2) It runs on batteries. Cord-Free convenience while carrying it around. 3) It looks nicer. Though this shouldn’t matter much to a musician, accounting this point from a presentation perspective while recording videos.
They’re both awesome pianos with very different strengths; the portability (size and batteries) advantages of the Casio really drew me in - I’m actually planning a redesign of my homemade keyboard stand to add an extra shelf (holding mixers, audio interface etc) since the keyboard is so slim and thin (my P125 was massively thick in comparison). Thanks for visiting the channel feel free to subscribe!
Great explanation, also showing the action of the keys playing soft and hard in your demonstrations helps a lot. Action and piano sound is what I'm looking for, so this is the best option for me. Thanks!!
Thanks so much glad you are enjoying the reviews. Hope your FP-10 arrives soon, I'm sure you'll love it. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
@@PianoTone is there anyway that you know of as to add rhythm to the FP10? Maybe through an app. I’m aware that the Roland Piano App doesn’t give that option.
Nice review. I have been playing the acoustic piano for many years, so I am glad to know that the keys on the Roland FP10 mimic the acoustic piano well! A good priced piano for studying abroad!
Thanks so much! If you are used to acoustic pianos and need something to use while you are away, the FP-10 is perfect for you! Thanks for visiting the channel feel free to subscribe
amazing in depth review... many things nicely explained for someone who has no knowledge of DIGITAL pianos but (used to) play ACOUSTIC... Great explanation on action and connectivity which was all greek to me but now is finally clear Roland FP10 sounds as a good choice for me - returning to playing piano after many years, without need for modern tech bells and whistles (although an option to add different piano voices through APPs definitely sound VERY APPEALING) Thanks again, subscribed as to support you and explore your other videos
Thanks very much I appreciate the kind words! The FP 10 is a great piano, especially for those used to the feel of an acoustic. Thanks for subscribing, hope you get an FP-10 soon!
I enjoyed your review format especially your coverage of the Roland App. I found the comparison to relevant pianos helpful (listing the prose and cons / hi-lighting different use-cases) In general i found your comments to be balanced and very helpful. I am new to music and would like to learn the piano. I am trying to decide on which Piano is the best for learning on / I’m thinking about the inbuilt learning and or the companion application as i would only like to ovoid paying for lessons as lest at the start. Thanks for a helpful review of the Roland FP-10 Kind regards.
Hey there! Thanks for the kind words! The FP-10 is a great one to learn on as is the Yamaha P125 (not P125a). But built in lessons aren’t the greatest - if you want to get started without spending a bunch on lessons, check out Birds Piano Academy - he has a free mini course on chords which will get you playing - and his other courses are not expensive and great value. I did a blues course and did a review on it (link below). In the description of that video will be links to his courses if you want to check them out. Thanks for visiting the channel feel free to subscribe Birds Piano Academy Review - Blues Piano & Improvisation For Beginners czcams.com/video/MOEromJJPHU/video.html
I've been binge researching digital pianos for several weeks now. I had some experience learning on the acoustic piano a long time ago. I am perhaps unusual in that I like playing scales and exercises and working with teaching compositions. I have bounced around in my preference but I finally have concluded that the Roland FP-10 has the best acoustic piano emulation among the entry-level choices while still allowing having the other functions to play with and some basic portability. One isntrument that intrigues me though is the Alesis Prestige Artist. What I am also realizing though is that, after reading and hearing about other people's gripes and bad experiences, reliability and durability are not something that can be addressed in an out-of-the-box review or someone's assessment of an instrument after three or four months of use. My impression at this point is that the Rolands and the Yamahas are the most durable. I think I will have to go that way and perhaps I will have to deal with Roland FP10 limitations in order to get the acoustic piano emulation I have been hoping for. I still would like to see a review of the Alexis Prestige Artist on this channel.
Sounds like you’ve found the right piano! I’d love to review an Alesis Prestige - would just need to find one I can rent or borrow…. From having owned an Alesis Recital Pro, I’d be willing to bet the Prestige is a step up, but also that you’d probably still prefer the Roland. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
@one It's not written in stone yet. I've found a Roland FP-30X bundle for $699 and a Yamaha P-125 bundle for $599, both from a reliable (50 yrs in business) source. They always say, quality is remembered long after price is forgotten. If I go Roland, I might as well get the FP-30X. The FP-30X might be good for the duration. If you got too good at traditional piano, you might outgrow a Casio PX-1100 or a Yamaha P-125 and you might want to move up from an FP-10. No need to do so with the FP-30X until you reach some much higher level. With acoustic pianos, you don't have these kind of problems so much. Myself, I'm so good with tools and so good at visual learning I could be my own piano technician, especially with the digital aids to tuning we have now.
@@anonymike8280 They both sound like good deals (with the Yamaha, as long as it's the P-125 and not the P-125a). But sounds like you're leaning Roland, so sounds like a deal!
@@PianoTone They're all deals. The thing is, there's no way to cover every possible base. You cover one, and you leave another open. That's as opposed to the acoustic piano, where they all do the same thing and it's only a matter of how much you want to or can spend and your own preferences as to the slight difference between instruments at any price point.
@@PianoTone i ended up getting the Roland FP-30X. The FP-10 and even the FP-30 have been superseded. The local branch store of a national music chain had demonstrator models of the FP-30X and the Yamaha P-225 on display. It's been decades, but all I had to do was play a couple of notes and I could tell how far ahead of everyone else Roland's action was in terms of piano emulation. For the price point, they have it as down as much as anyone is going to get it. The store sells at internet prices and, with an available 10% discount I qualified for, I was able to get the Roland FP-30X for $629. They had the Yamaha P-225 for the same price, by the way. For my goals, I am 100 percent good with the Roland. People have to connect together their goals and their price point though. There is no one best instrument.
great keyboard for the price but the sound.... I am really struggling with the sound. Tried different settings. It is slightly better with headphones but I am not happy actually.
Sorry to hear that! What about the piano sound don’t you like? If memory serves the FP-10 piano emphasizes the bass doesn’t it? If it is an EQ thing maybe you could run it through a mixer that has EQ settings or something? Or you could look for a MIDI sound bank that you like and listen that way? Hope you can get it sorted out!
@@PianoTone playing a few notes is fine, playing something like Night and Day the bass is kind of dull but if I change the setting to a lighter key stroke the sound gets quickly very tinny :) Still, can't complain, for the price, it is really a nice piano, especially the mechanic and feel of the keys and I bought it just for practicing while traveling. It is not heavy and fits easily in the car
Having bought one now, I think the main issues is actually the built in speakers, and their location, on headphones, it sounds much better, and placing the unit on a stand improves that over standing on a table, generally they lack Bass. Also I happen to dislike their harpsichords.... But the actual key action is the closest I've felt to a piano, and the matt feel on the fingers, I like it for my kids since they're training on pianos at school, but play this at home, switched from a Yamaha p115
I wanted to play some xmas songs last year on that piano but it was so bad, that the whole family had a lough on xmas eve and I sold it on ebay the week after.
Thanks so much! Yeah it's a great board especially for the price. I've reviewed quit a few others if you want to check them out either on CZcams or my blog at www.pianotone.ca/piano-related-equipment-reviews/ Thanks again for visiting feel free to subscribe
Hello! Thank you for making this video, it was very insightful. I had a question regarding Piano Partner 2. When you used the recording function, even though it's just a MIDI recording, the sound of the piano got recorded too (or at least it got played). Do you think it's viable to record the keyboard audio this way? By screen-recording your phone/tablet or something like that, because from what I can't tell there's no way to export the recording to actual audio. Thank you again!
If you want to record your FP-10 with audio that;'s not really a good option. You need to get an external audio interface like a Focusrite Scarlett and then connect your FP-10 to that (headphone out using a splitter cable to L & R ins) and then connect the interface to a device with recording apps/software (DAW like GarageBand or your phone's camera for a performance video). I did a video on that (it's a bit old) but it should help: czcams.com/video/wwa6_Kelbws/video.html Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
My daughter is 7 and just started piano lessons. I was thinking getting Casio CT-S1 or this one. I understand that this is closest to the piano action keys, but it's twice the price comparing to the Casio. Do you thing she can start with the Casio for a while, and if she commits to the instrument I can then upgrade?
Absolutely! And having the Casio around afterwards as a smaller more portable option to carry around will be handy. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Awesome video, I'm pretty much sold on this for my first piano. One thing I might have missed or can't find out, will this Bluetooth connect to my Bluetooth speakers?
I'm assuming this is an app like Simply Piano or Flowkey or something? Then you would connect your piano to the phone with a USB cable (like a normal printer cable) and whatever adapter you need for the phone (like a lightning adapter for an iPhone); then your keyboard will send MIDI data (the notes you play) to the app on the phone so it can recognize them. As far as HEARING your piano and app at the same time the easy way is to connect your headphones to the phone not the piano; most of those apps have a piano sound built in, and the app will recreate the piano sounds for you. To hear through your piano headphones you need a mixer of some sort to combine the iPhone audio with the piano audio; I made a video here: czcams.com/video/Z118ZEIieUI/video.html Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
Thank you for your analysis. I am thinking of buying a piano but I hesitate between Yamaha P45, Roland FP 10 and the Korg B2. All around 400 euros here in Europe. Of these three which would be more worthwhile for a beginner?. In the long term the Roland seems to develop a sound in the keys a kind of click, the Yamaha P45 appear these problems? Thanks in advance.
Hi there! I never owned an FP-10 (I owned an FP-30, same action but only had it for less than a year and didn't notice any issues); I have heard about FP-10's and 30's with key noise after some time though. I had my Yamaha P-125 (same action as the 45) for 2 years and no issues, and my DGX-670 (also same action) for 1 year and no issues, and I have always found Yamaha stuff to be super well made and solid feeling. But weighted keys all have alot of moving parts, grease, sensors etc - so it is probably something that happens eventually with any keyboard. If it was be making the decision I'd be opting for the P-45, but I'm a big Yamaha fan. I've never reviewed the B2; played it in store and didn't like the action much but don't really know much about it. Hope that helps, thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe.
Amazing review! Super insightful, answered almost all my questions! I guess the only thing left stopping me from buying the fp10 is the clicky keys problem. I've seen a few reviews mentioning this. Have you noticed this problem with the fp10(or fp30)? and if so, is it a noticeable issue while playing?
I have heard of that issue online but I didn’t experience any issues with my FP-30, nor with the FP-10 I rented for the review. All digital pianos have some key noise. Hope that helps! Glad you liked the review, and thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe. Let me know if you end up getting one and if you like it!
@@PianoTone Yes, all digital pianos have some key noise; but the number of posts on the internet indicates that the PHA-4 is one of the worst. Thumping at start and then the clicky noise comes after a few months of playing. I'm considering buying a digital piano without hammer weighting for that reason. I would recommend everyone to emphasize reviews by long term owners. This reviewer clearly sells his pianos after a year of use. Maybe that's why he doesn't experience any problems?
@@fuglbird Totally fair comment - I sold my FP-30 after just under a year and only rented the FP-10 to review. I will add I had my Yamaha P-125 much longer and no issues at all. Thanks!
Hi, I loved your review. I have a doubt, it's that I want to get this piano but I've found too many reviews complaining that the piano keys start making an annoying noise when pressed when it's still new. What do you think about it? Thank you in advance
I’ve heard that from some people, but never had any issues myself - but I only rented the FP10 so hard to say. Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Nice review ! I have an issue with the roland FP10, when I send MIDI with a simple Python script, the piano play rights notes but the sound is weird, and its not the native sound of the piano (i can change the sound with midi data). Do you know how to force the piano to play native sound when reading midi file ?
Thanks so much, glad you liked the review! So you're sending MIDI data IN to the FP-10? To be honest I have never tried anything like that, so I'm not sure I can help you. Maybe poke around some MIDI user groups/messages boards or something? I'll look around too, I'm curious - I'll reply again if I find anything. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
Check page 4 of the manual - you hold down the “piano” key and press the keys for the 2 sounds you want to layer at the same time (C1 & C#2 for those 2 sounds) Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
Anyone know how to change MIDI channels on thw FP-10?? I can't find any info on this, not can I figure it out by fiddling around. I'm trying to connect with external hardware devices via a DOREMidi USB MIDI Host. The FP apparently defaults to MIDI channel 1, but I need to be on 10.
Hi there - I rarely use midi so don’t know much about that, but Roland’s site appears to have a midi implementation manual: www.roland.com/ca/support/by_product/fp-10/owners_manuals/ Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
It's not ideal, but you can do it - you need to use the headphone port. Hopefully your sound system will have 2 available 1/4" input channels available - then you can connect with a 1/8" stereo splitter (to 2x1/4" mono) cable. Headphone ports will work for this, but it's not as good a connection as you get if you have left and right 1/4" line outs. Those connections are better quality, and headphone ports are also usually amplified a bit (to drive the headphone speakers) so they're not as clean a signal as a line out. Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
How do you like the FP-30X using Concert Piano, Ballad, Mellow, Bright, Upright vs the FP-30 just have Grand Piano 1, 2, and 3? I actually like the 3 Grand Piano sounds you demo'ed and thinking you'd lose it in the 30X... maybe I really should get the FP-10 now... this FP-10 demo is pretty nice... I think one of the nicest sounds I have heard: czcams.com/video/UXGokzKYCBg/video.html but I just don't know if she is using VST
With no line outs you are stuck with the pianos onboard speakers. With a built in amplifier it sounds ok but nowhere near as rich as you would get through a dedicated soundboard. Sure you can use the 3mm earphone jack to connect to a sound system but that lowers the volume and emphasizes the oscillations in a bad way. The jazz organ screeches in the high key range and the other organ is only useful if you're Catholic.
Yeah the headphone out does work for that, but the signal is amplified to drive the headphone speakers so never as clear or good quality as proper line outs. Roland finally added LR line outs to the FP-30x (didn't have them on the FP-30). Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
I haven't actually seen a DEP-20 in person; it does have more features than the Roland, but the sounds and key action will be far better on the Roland, so . . . unless you really want the extra stuff I'd go with the FP-10. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
Hi there! To be honest I don’t know for sure; I don’t THINK you can export MIDI recordings from the app but I could be wrong. I only rented the piano for the review so I can’t test that. To be honest though, if you want to record MIDI with the FP-10 I wouldn’t bother with the app anyways, just use the USB cable to connect the piano to a pc or tablet with some DAW software (like GarageBand on an iPad) and record MIDI that way. It will be much easier to do and to work with/edit later. Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe
I never use Bluetooth MIDI on any keyboard I always use a cable connection, it's always got too much lag. I have found Roland's wireless connections to be pretty undependable in general. Thanks for checking out the channel, feel free to subscribe
Hi there! Hold "Piano" and press 2 keys simultaneously to choose the 2 voices you want to layer. There are samples of layering in the video around 15:43" czcams.com/video/oBa2DWrdTTc/video.html
@@anbalkeen If I remember correctly, you can do that within the Piano Partner 2 app, but not on the keyboard itself - I looked through the manual and reference manual and couldn't find anything, but I seem to remember you could in the app. Hope that helps! Thanks for checking out the channel feel free to subscribe.
Brilliant and comprehensive video of the piano. Thank you.
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brilliance and ambience are hard to find resources on, thank you for demonstrating them!
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INSTANT SUBSCRIBE! Great review! Too many reviews seem to be little more than performance demo reels. You actually give key information about this product in an easy to follow manner. Thank you!
Hey thanks a bunch, much appreciated!
I like your reviews very much. Thank you.
You mentioned that the keys of PX-S1100 are the “lightest” of the three digital pianos you have mentioned.
Here are my tests for static pressure of these pianos (plus PX-S5000).
Casio PX-S5000:
Middle C (C4) - ~53g
C7 - 60g
C3 - ~60g
C4# - 40g - 60g (middle of black key)
Yamaha P-125a:
Middle C (C4) - 50g
C6 - 50g - 70g (middle of black key)
Roland FP-10:
C7 - 52g
C6 - 63g
C2 - 72g
C3 - ~64g
C4# - ~52g - ~64g (middle of black key)
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I like PHA-4 the most. It is weighted better than the other actions, I do not play sounds by barely pressing the keys (like with GHS) and the white keys are easily pressed close to the fulcrum (Casio PX-S pianos listed are very bad in this respect).
Unfortunately, PHA-4 has this strange action clicking noise that occasionally happens. The frequency of its occurrence increases with time of piano use (as I said before - I already returned three PHA-4 digital pianos in 2021)
I play mostly classical music pieces.
Michael
Ps. I do not care much about sounds of most lower end digital pianos because I use them as MIDI controllers for my piano VSTs.
Thanks for all that info!
Very detailed and overall amazing review. Easily the best review I have seen in a while. Keep it up! (Also, this helped me choose which keyboard to buy and I am very thankful for that!)
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your piano review are really helpful man, i still haven't bought one for myself, i will probably decide which one to get soon
Thanks! Are you able to go test out some pianos at a store?
@@PianoTone i have tried out korg rh3 action and Casio pxs1000 and Yamaha p125 action.
For what I felt korg > Yamaha > casio in terms of sluggishness, i also like medium light action so korg felt very difficult to play.
Haven't tried Roland's pha-4 and kawai es110, after that hopefully I will be able to make my mind.
Great review! I’ve almost made up my mind on the PXS-1100, though my reasons are different:
1) It has the right dimensions to fit inside my work desk drawer, especially the height, which is almost half of the Roland or Yamaha.
2) It runs on batteries. Cord-Free convenience while carrying it around.
3) It looks nicer. Though this shouldn’t matter much to a musician, accounting this point from a presentation perspective while recording videos.
They’re both awesome pianos with very different strengths; the portability (size and batteries) advantages of the Casio really drew me in - I’m actually planning a redesign of my homemade keyboard stand to add an extra shelf (holding mixers, audio interface etc) since the keyboard is so slim and thin (my P125 was massively thick in comparison).
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Great explanation, also showing the action of the keys playing soft and hard in your demonstrations helps a lot. Action and piano sound is what I'm looking for, so this is the best option for me. Thanks!!
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What a magnificent review! You are the best reviewer in CZcams.
Long live my man, greetings from Türkiye.
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@@PianoToneI subscribed as soon as I watched the video, thank you, good work!
12:46 I love these videos. Very well constructed and executed. I have an FP 10 on order that I am waiting for and you are giving great examples of it.
Thanks so much glad you are enjoying the reviews. Hope your FP-10 arrives soon, I'm sure you'll love it.
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@@PianoTone I am subscribed. I’d love to be able to play the Beatles as well as you demonstrated. And John Lord!!! Wow!
@@PianoTone is there anyway that you know of as to add rhythm to the FP10? Maybe through an app. I’m aware that the Roland Piano App doesn’t give that option.
can you transpose on fp10?
Nice review. I have been playing the acoustic piano for many years, so I am glad to know that the keys on the Roland FP10 mimic the acoustic piano well! A good priced piano for studying abroad!
Thanks so much! If you are used to acoustic pianos and need something to use while you are away, the FP-10 is perfect for you!
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What a nice review, love it! Thanks for the video!
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amazing in depth review... many things nicely explained for someone who has no knowledge of DIGITAL pianos but (used to) play ACOUSTIC... Great explanation on action and connectivity which was all greek to me but now is finally clear
Roland FP10 sounds as a good choice for me - returning to playing piano after many years, without need for modern tech bells and whistles (although an option to add different piano voices through APPs definitely sound VERY APPEALING)
Thanks again, subscribed as to support you and explore your other videos
Thanks very much I appreciate the kind words! The FP 10 is a great piano, especially for those used to the feel of an acoustic.
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Great Review, Excellent knowledge and to the point. Genuine. Thanks
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I enjoyed your review format especially your coverage of the Roland App. I found the comparison to relevant pianos helpful (listing the prose and cons / hi-lighting different use-cases) In general i found your comments to be balanced and very helpful.
I am new to music and would like to learn the piano. I am trying to decide on which Piano is the best for learning on / I’m thinking about the inbuilt learning and or the companion application as i would only like to ovoid paying for lessons as lest at the start.
Thanks for a helpful review of the Roland FP-10
Kind regards.
Hey there! Thanks for the kind words! The FP-10 is a great one to learn on as is the Yamaha P125 (not P125a). But built in lessons aren’t the greatest - if you want to get started without spending a bunch on lessons, check out Birds Piano Academy - he has a free mini course on chords which will get you playing - and his other courses are not expensive and great value. I did a blues course and did a review on it (link below). In the description of that video will be links to his courses if you want to check them out.
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Birds Piano Academy Review - Blues Piano & Improvisation For Beginners
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I've been binge researching digital pianos for several weeks now. I had some experience learning on the acoustic piano a long time ago. I am perhaps unusual in that I like playing scales and exercises and working with teaching compositions. I have bounced around in my preference but I finally have concluded that the Roland FP-10 has the best acoustic piano emulation among the entry-level choices while still allowing having the other functions to play with and some basic portability. One isntrument that intrigues me though is the Alesis Prestige Artist. What I am also realizing though is that, after reading and hearing about other people's gripes and bad experiences, reliability and durability are not something that can be addressed in an out-of-the-box review or someone's assessment of an instrument after three or four months of use.
My impression at this point is that the Rolands and the Yamahas are the most durable. I think I will have to go that way and perhaps I will have to deal with Roland FP10 limitations in order to get the acoustic piano emulation I have been hoping for. I still would like to see a review of the Alexis Prestige Artist on this channel.
Sounds like you’ve found the right piano! I’d love to review an Alesis Prestige - would just need to find one I can rent or borrow…. From having owned an Alesis Recital Pro, I’d be willing to bet the Prestige is a step up, but also that you’d probably still prefer the Roland.
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@one It's not written in stone yet. I've found a Roland FP-30X bundle for $699 and a Yamaha P-125 bundle for $599, both from a reliable (50 yrs in business) source. They always say, quality is remembered long after price is forgotten. If I go Roland, I might as well get the FP-30X. The FP-30X might be good for the duration. If you got too good at traditional piano, you might outgrow a Casio PX-1100 or a Yamaha P-125 and you might want to move up from an FP-10. No need to do so with the FP-30X until you reach some much higher level.
With acoustic pianos, you don't have these kind of problems so much. Myself, I'm so good with tools and so good at visual learning I could be my own piano technician, especially with the digital aids to tuning we have now.
@@anonymike8280 They both sound like good deals (with the Yamaha, as long as it's the P-125 and not the P-125a). But sounds like you're leaning Roland, so sounds like a deal!
@@PianoTone They're all deals. The thing is, there's no way to cover every possible base. You cover one, and you leave another open. That's as opposed to the acoustic piano, where they all do the same thing and it's only a matter of how much you want to or can spend and your own preferences as to the slight difference between instruments at any price point.
@@PianoTone i ended up getting the Roland FP-30X. The FP-10 and even the FP-30 have been superseded. The local branch store of a national music chain had demonstrator models of the FP-30X and the Yamaha P-225 on display. It's been decades, but all I had to do was play a couple of notes and I could tell how far ahead of everyone else Roland's action was in terms of piano emulation. For the price point, they have it as down as much as anyone is going to get it. The store sells at internet prices and, with an available 10% discount I qualified for, I was able to get the Roland FP-30X for $629. They had the Yamaha P-225 for the same price, by the way. For my goals, I am 100 percent good with the Roland. People have to connect together their goals and their price point though. There is no one best instrument.
great keyboard for the price but the sound.... I am really struggling with the sound. Tried different settings. It is slightly better with headphones but I am not happy actually.
Sorry to hear that! What about the piano sound don’t you like? If memory serves the FP-10 piano emphasizes the bass doesn’t it? If it is an EQ thing maybe you could run it through a mixer that has EQ settings or something? Or you could look for a MIDI sound bank that you like and listen that way?
Hope you can get it sorted out!
@@PianoTone playing a few notes is fine, playing something like Night and Day the bass is kind of dull but if I change the setting to a lighter key stroke the sound gets quickly very tinny :) Still, can't complain, for the price, it is really a nice piano, especially the mechanic and feel of the keys and I bought it just for practicing while traveling. It is not heavy and fits easily in the car
Having bought one now, I think the main issues is actually the built in speakers, and their location, on headphones, it sounds much better, and placing the unit on a stand improves that over standing on a table, generally they lack Bass. Also I happen to dislike their harpsichords.... But the actual key action is the closest I've felt to a piano, and the matt feel on the fingers, I like it for my kids since they're training on pianos at school, but play this at home, switched from a Yamaha p115
I wanted to play some xmas songs last year on that piano but it was so bad, that the whole family had a lough on xmas eve and I sold it on ebay the week after.
I’m thinking of adding some powered computer speakers. Maybe with a subwoofer. Has anyone tried that?
Nice review! Seems like a pretty nice keyboard
Thanks so much! Yeah it's a great board especially for the price. I've reviewed quit a few others if you want to check them out either on CZcams or my blog at www.pianotone.ca/piano-related-equipment-reviews/
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Hello! Thank you for making this video, it was very insightful.
I had a question regarding Piano Partner 2. When you used the recording function, even though it's just a MIDI recording, the sound of the piano got recorded too (or at least it got played). Do you think it's viable to record the keyboard audio this way? By screen-recording your phone/tablet or something like that, because from what I can't tell there's no way to export the recording to actual audio. Thank you again!
If you want to record your FP-10 with audio that;'s not really a good option. You need to get an external audio interface like a Focusrite Scarlett and then connect your FP-10 to that (headphone out using a splitter cable to L & R ins) and then connect the interface to a device with recording apps/software (DAW like GarageBand or your phone's camera for a performance video).
I did a video on that (it's a bit old) but it should help: czcams.com/video/wwa6_Kelbws/video.html
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@@PianoTone Noted, thank you for your response!
My daughter is 7 and just started piano lessons. I was thinking getting Casio CT-S1 or this one. I understand that this is closest to the piano action keys, but it's twice the price comparing to the Casio. Do you thing she can start with the Casio for a while, and if she commits to the instrument I can then upgrade?
Absolutely! And having the Casio around afterwards as a smaller more portable option to carry around will be handy.
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Awesome video, I'm pretty much sold on this for my first piano. One thing I might have missed or can't find out, will this Bluetooth connect to my Bluetooth speakers?
Not it’s Bluetooth in not out for audio.
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Great review, thank you! I have been trying to figure out how to connect with a headphone and a learning app on my phone at the same time... Any ideas
I'm assuming this is an app like Simply Piano or Flowkey or something? Then you would connect your piano to the phone with a USB cable (like a normal printer cable) and whatever adapter you need for the phone (like a lightning adapter for an iPhone); then your keyboard will send MIDI data (the notes you play) to the app on the phone so it can recognize them.
As far as HEARING your piano and app at the same time the easy way is to connect your headphones to the phone not the piano; most of those apps have a piano sound built in, and the app will recreate the piano sounds for you. To hear through your piano headphones you need a mixer of some sort to combine the iPhone audio with the piano audio; I made a video here: czcams.com/video/Z118ZEIieUI/video.html
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Thank you for your analysis. I am thinking of buying a piano but I hesitate between Yamaha P45, Roland FP 10 and the Korg B2. All around 400 euros here in Europe. Of these three which would be more worthwhile for a beginner?. In the long term the Roland seems to develop a sound in the keys a kind of click, the Yamaha P45 appear these problems? Thanks in advance.
Hi there! I never owned an FP-10 (I owned an FP-30, same action but only had it for less than a year and didn't notice any issues); I have heard about FP-10's and 30's with key noise after some time though. I had my Yamaha P-125 (same action as the 45) for 2 years and no issues, and my DGX-670 (also same action) for 1 year and no issues, and I have always found Yamaha stuff to be super well made and solid feeling. But weighted keys all have alot of moving parts, grease, sensors etc - so it is probably something that happens eventually with any keyboard. If it was be making the decision I'd be opting for the P-45, but I'm a big Yamaha fan. I've never reviewed the B2; played it in store and didn't like the action much but don't really know much about it.
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Amazing review! Super insightful, answered almost all my questions!
I guess the only thing left stopping me from buying the fp10 is the clicky keys problem. I've seen a few reviews mentioning this. Have you noticed this problem with the fp10(or fp30)? and if so, is it a noticeable issue while playing?
I have heard of that issue online but I didn’t experience any issues with my FP-30, nor with the FP-10 I rented for the review. All digital pianos have some key noise.
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Let me know if you end up getting one and if you like it!
I wouldn't call it clicky, it's more like a thump which is really distracting when you're playing the EP's.
@@PianoTone Yes, all digital pianos have some key noise; but the number of posts on the internet indicates that the PHA-4 is one of the worst. Thumping at start and then the clicky noise comes after a few months of playing. I'm considering buying a digital piano without hammer weighting for that reason. I would recommend everyone to emphasize reviews by long term owners. This reviewer clearly sells his pianos after a year of use. Maybe that's why he doesn't experience any problems?
@@fuglbird Totally fair comment - I sold my FP-30 after just under a year and only rented the FP-10 to review. I will add I had my Yamaha P-125 much longer and no issues at all.
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Hi, I loved your review. I have a doubt, it's that I want to get this piano but I've found too many reviews complaining that the piano keys start making an annoying noise when pressed when it's still new. What do you think about it? Thank you in advance
I’ve heard that from some people, but never had any issues myself - but I only rented the FP10 so hard to say.
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Nice review ! I have an issue with the roland FP10, when I send MIDI with a simple Python script, the piano play rights notes but the sound is weird, and its not the native sound of the piano (i can change the sound with midi data). Do you know how to force the piano to play native sound when reading midi file ?
Thanks so much, glad you liked the review! So you're sending MIDI data IN to the FP-10? To be honest I have never tried anything like that, so I'm not sure I can help you. Maybe poke around some MIDI user groups/messages boards or something? I'll look around too, I'm curious - I'll reply again if I find anything.
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I bought this piano for my family, I'm wondering how you activate Grand Piano 1 over the synth pad?
Check page 4 of the manual - you hold down the “piano” key and press the keys for the 2 sounds you want to layer at the same time (C1 & C#2 for those 2 sounds)
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Anyone know how to change MIDI channels on thw FP-10?? I can't find any info on this, not can I figure it out by fiddling around. I'm trying to connect with external hardware devices via a DOREMidi USB MIDI Host. The FP apparently defaults to MIDI channel 1, but I need to be on 10.
Hi there - I rarely use midi so don’t know much about that, but Roland’s site appears to have a midi implementation manual:
www.roland.com/ca/support/by_product/fp-10/owners_manuals/
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@@PianoTone I downloaded the Owner's Manual and the "Reference" Manual......nothing about MIDI channels that I could find🤷♂️
There is a “MIDI implementation” manual on that link as well
@@PianoToneOh! I didn't see it. I'll look again. Thanks.
@@PianoTone Well, I downloaded the MIDI manual....but it doesn't make a bit of sense to me. I wish I could share a screenshot.
Can it be connected to a sound sytem? like in a church?
It's not ideal, but you can do it - you need to use the headphone port. Hopefully your sound system will have 2 available 1/4" input channels available - then you can connect with a 1/8" stereo splitter (to 2x1/4" mono) cable.
Headphone ports will work for this, but it's not as good a connection as you get if you have left and right 1/4" line outs. Those connections are better quality, and headphone ports are also usually amplified a bit (to drive the headphone speakers) so they're not as clean a signal as a line out.
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I got a fp 10 for 400 € i think is nice
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How do you like the FP-30X using Concert Piano, Ballad, Mellow, Bright, Upright vs the FP-30 just have Grand Piano 1, 2, and 3? I actually like the 3 Grand Piano sounds you demo'ed and thinking you'd lose it in the 30X... maybe I really should get the FP-10 now... this FP-10 demo is pretty nice... I think one of the nicest sounds I have heard: czcams.com/video/UXGokzKYCBg/video.html but I just don't know if she is using VST
With no line outs you are stuck with the pianos onboard speakers. With a built in amplifier it sounds ok but nowhere near as rich as you would get through a dedicated soundboard. Sure you can use the 3mm earphone jack to connect to a sound system but that lowers the volume and emphasizes the oscillations in a bad way.
The jazz organ screeches in the high key range and the other organ is only useful if you're Catholic.
Yeah the headphone out does work for that, but the signal is amplified to drive the headphone speakers so never as clear or good quality as proper line outs. Roland finally added LR line outs to the FP-30x (didn't have them on the FP-30).
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Which one would you get between this one and the Donner DEP20? Thank you!
I haven't actually seen a DEP-20 in person; it does have more features than the Roland, but the sounds and key action will be far better on the Roland, so . . . unless you really want the extra stuff I'd go with the FP-10.
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thanks for your reply! :) @@PianoTone
When you record something on the app, can you save it elsewhere on your tablet or able to send it, or it is limited to the app?
Hi there! To be honest I don’t know for sure; I don’t THINK you can export MIDI recordings from the app but I could be wrong. I only rented the piano for the review so I can’t test that. To be honest though, if you want to record MIDI with the FP-10 I wouldn’t bother with the app anyways, just use the USB cable to connect the piano to a pc or tablet with some DAW software (like GarageBand on an iPad) and record MIDI that way. It will be much easier to do and to work with/edit later.
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@@PianoTone Thank you
FP-10 Bluetooth has problems
I never use Bluetooth MIDI on any keyboard I always use a cable connection, it's always got too much lag. I have found Roland's wireless connections to be pretty undependable in general.
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are you using the sustain pedal when you are playing in this video
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please show me use Dual voices (Layer sound) with FP-10 (piano + synth pad) , thank you so much
Hi there! Hold "Piano" and press 2 keys simultaneously to choose the 2 voices you want to layer. There are samples of layering in the video around 15:43"
czcams.com/video/oBa2DWrdTTc/video.html
@@PianoTone thank you so much 🥰🥰
By the way, can we adjust the volume of the layer voice? (I want to reduce the voice Synth pad), thank you 🥰
@@anbalkeen If I remember correctly, you can do that within the Piano Partner 2 app, but not on the keyboard itself - I looked through the manual and reference manual and couldn't find anything, but I seem to remember you could in the app.
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@@PianoTone thank you so much, I've just subscribe the channel, your advise is so useful for me 🥰🥰
The jazz one is quite good 😂😂😂
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can you transpose on roland fp10?
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there is a jazz about music which you dont understand about :)
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