What if Anyone Won the War of 1812?
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Alright. I know you have opinions on the title saying "anyone". Anyone? How can you say anyone? Well officially nobody actually did. Historians just call the war a draw. Yet it can be debated who got the better deal between Britain, the US and Canada. (It was Canada).
So what if the war went better for both sides? What if Britain won? What if the US? How could this uneventful war have changed everything?
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"The British wouldn't push to intervene in a continent half a world a way" oh oooooh boy
They fought 3 wars for tea for goodness' sake.
-unless there was a huge economic incentive to do so
*sips tea*
the native buffer state would be the periphery of the periphery, and they'd have little to offer commercially to the UK itself (although there could certainly be significant trade between canada and the native state via the great lakes.
The american fur trade after 1800 is way less important to the uk than something like the situation in china/opium wars where they were opening the worlds richest and most populous country to european exploitation.
Also even though this was the start of its imperial century, the UK was a naval power through and through and even with a large canadian great lakes fleet there's only so much they can do to support the new native state against the americans militarily. I'd expect a lot of more covert economic and technical support though
Falkland Islands: Are you sure about that
@@arcticlaw9198 Was just going come and make a similar comment.
My favorite part of this is that nobody can argue if the music is God Save the Queen or America (My Country Tis of Thee)
Ironically, the song was created by the French.
@@thomaswilson3827
Sacré bleu!
@@thomaswilson3827 cause the french king had ass pain
@@thomaswilson3827 Actually it was originally an old German anthem called Heil Dir Im Siegerkranz
Don't tell me what I can and can't argue about. Wanna fight about it?
America in Alt Timeline: _organized, efficient, actually working together_
America in Actual 1812: "Anyway, I started blasting."
I mean if that wasn't us we just wouldn't be America.
America in WWII Europe organized and efficient
America in the Pacific (especially Midway): LEEEEROY
@@exudeku I feel like Japan would be the one yelling leeroy and Germany is the one who is talking about the facts and plan as the Japanese just banzai into pearl harbor.
Through luck, bullshit, and plot-armour, the Americans were able to out-manoeuvre the highly-organized Japanese navy, resulting in a decisive victory for the allies.
Seriously though, who has THAT much luck?!
@@No1Poop midway in a nutshell
The reason the British left DC after successfully taking the city is actually pretty funny. A few hours after the British took the city, a massive storm rolled in from the west and a fricken TORNADO hit the British camp, sending the army scattering. The US military was able to retake the city while the British regrouped, and the British retreated to get more supplies.
Lmaooo seriously? That's fucking awesome. If there's anything saying "God is not on our side" it's that.
That’s “Mongolians not conquering Japan because they got hit by a typhoon both times” tier
That’s fucking hilarious.
Mother nature is the ultimate victor of 1812
Sure they burned the White House, but we had God as our cavalry
The American conquest of Canada feels like an addendum to the scenario of Napoleon understanding his logistical limits and taking Ukraine in a campaign of multiple summers rather than trying to march into Moscow in a single campaign season.
Thats kinda how napoleon worked till now and it worked till russia... The best scenario would be for napoleon to isolate the russian in a "defansive" war to wipe the russian army therefore scaring the prussian out of another coalition and when russia is to weak and will either ruins the british to keep on fighting or more likely make another peace, Napoléon could properly take care of Spain and get rid of the huge attrition for the french forces there. Invading russia with napoleonic technology is simply not worth it
@@erwannthietart3602 Napoleon wasn't going to "properly take care of Spain." He was centuries too soon to counter an insurgency by any means other than to make a desert and call it peace. If he did that I think even the America of the time would decide England was the lesser evil.
Napoleon is no longer effectively fighting back on the seas at this point because he and his Spanish allies have lost too much institutional knowledge and maintaining an age of sail navy on station is relatively cheaper than a steam powered navy. Britain can keep going for decades at sea; pretty much forever if the expanded US doesn't maintain a timber embargo.
@@nathanbrown8680 by "properly take care of Spain" i would mean settle for a few region of Spain and call it a day, its easyer to maintain controll over a few region than the whole place, and if Napoleon was wise enough to realise Russia isnt worth invading , he would be wise enough to realise spain isnt worth keeping under those condition. As for the Brits sure they COULD keep going for a long long time, but its not worth it for buiseness, even if they can fund another coalition or 5 no one would try to face france in the open (on land), so might aswell settle for a peace deal and focus on the colony like they did in real life.
@B Whit youre right im not saying Russia is weak in the 19th, im saying Napoleonic France was powerfull large and skilled enough to crush any army in the open at that point, only winter and the bold russian strat of burning their own land to prevent supply from getting into the invaders hand saved this united Russia in 1812. Therefore not invading Russia and simply settle to crush their army in poland (and yes the Russian would likely be crushed, even with the austrian and prussian they lost so alone...) would be enough to force Russia into peace. (Btw the mongols were divided already when united russian won against them. The remains of the golden horde aint the mongol empire.) General winter is Russia greatest weapon, and main reason why invading this huge country is NOT worth it.
@@erwannthietart3602 Contrary to popular belief the reason Napolean and Hitler failed at invading Russia is actually because of the fall. There is so much mud that moving supplies becomes almost impossible. That is one reason scorched earth actually worked. The only way for these armies to get supplied is by living off the land. Since no supplies were ever going to arrive since carts(for Napolean) and trucks (For Hitler) filled with supplies would never arrive.
"You're not a hat, you're a lid" is strangely uplifting
More like America's brain.
@@HamishDuh2nd *weird Russian noises*
Have yuo forgot about a Nordic comrade Cyka?
Big time American here. Yet I couldn't help but find that comment "you're not America's hat, you're America's lid," strangely hilarious! Loved it!
We Canadians are the loft apartment. Above a insane party, Yelling "Keep it down, People are trying to sleep!!" >.<
Then come up hear ranting and raveing drunk, break our lamp say " sorry bro" then go back down stairs. americans -_-
@@mattsamoto4451 The desire to just Amex your country keeps growing. I mean, it’s not like your military would actually put up a fight. But at the same time, Canada doesn’t have any actual worth. So maybe it would be more fun to just pour money into Quebec and western Canada. If I remember correctly they both love Canada with a passion so it’ll be fun to see how that plays out.
I found out that in 1815 my eight great grandfather lived in the same town I live in now. His children all moved away, but eight generations later we ended up right back here.
Nice
interesting!
Well, must be a pretty nice town
Lol and that town... Is New York City... Haha jk
@@JunkBondTrader it probably is lol
There is a fun story about 1812 war. In the late 1990-early 2000 an american history professor came to Moskow to give some lectures. When he asked if anyone knows about 1812 war everyone replied - yes, its one the russians won. He got confused (where were the russians?) and said that actually us had won, then russians got confused - when did us got involved against Napoleon? It took some time to clear that there are several 1812 wars
that's a terrible history professor. My high school self would have been able to clear this up
That's kinda funny.
“Now if your Canadian, your either angry or absolutely hate this scenario,”
Well, he isn’t wrong.
@@jim7601 To be fair most countries on earth have done horrible things. Canada is no exception. Buuut at least we acknowledge it and (most) Canadians wants to be better than our ancestors.
@@gunterthekaiser6190 lol what ? I'm just pointing out his hypocrisy I dont think anyone of today is responsible
The day of the Rake is nigh.
Smh as a canadian I am sad
@@jim7601 Canada was just mildly less bad than the US when it came to the natives.
The only reason I get salty about the War of 1812 is because I got a D on a paper about the importance of pirates to the early United States because the teacher said the Battle of New Orleans wasn't important. This teacher also marked pointed off me because "Privateers aren't pirates."
In the overall scheme of things it really wasnt
Privateers used pirate tatics sooo, kinda lol
@@jab4043 But does that really warrant a D when only a single part of the paper was about Jean Lafitte
@@morganv7895 She wrote that quote in the margins on my paper. Honestly the only thing different between a Pirate and a Privateer is that a nation bribed them for preferential treatment.
@@SixWingZombi That is True. I would agree with you more.
Canada as the USA’s “lid” is glorious, coming from an American.
Ok
@@nakedgorillasoutback ok
Technically you're calling Britain "glorious" as Canada was a puppet of the British Empire
@@oliversherman2414 was
I know but just on a technical level you know
13:33 "Alberta might as well be an American state"
Edmontonian watching: "breaths out" he's not wrong... We are the Texas of Canada at this point.
When yall get tired of funding the social programs of Ontario, we got a new us flag already prepped
@@daltonfarris LOL, Alberta would be crazy to swap to the USA. They think they got it bad in a country where they contain 12% of the population, so they jump ship to be 1% of the population of the USA? Alberta has been the home of 3/23 prime ministers, and gets piles of federal support for pipelines and oil sands development. If they swapped to the USA they'd get nothing of the sort, the entire Alberta economy is smaller than that of Houston, and their population is half that of New York City. They may be Canada's Texas, but as part of the US they'd be a nothing more than a second Louisiana.
@@agilemind6241 their vote could sway control in presidental elections. The tax rates would be halfed.
It was a tornado that saved DC. Saw it on the Weather Channel a while back. The British were burning everything they could, but then the sky popped out a twister. Locals knew to take cover, while the British freaked out and tried to run. The program said the twister caused the most British casualties of that war.
Apparently George Washington was pissed from the heavens.
so, basically imperial Japan?
@@fighter1375 *If George Washington Showed Up In American Gods:*
Washington did well
He descends down like Zeus and vaporizes the entire invading British force by just looking at them with his lightning bolt stare.
British Marines: Burn down the funny house
Canadians: Yeah that was me
Being a British colony at the time, it was them.
@@6hughmungus9 The British army weren't Canadians.
As A Canadian!! No the Canadian militias where not involved with burning of the White House. Huge deference between Militia and Red coated British regulars!! I tried to teach my fellow Albertans about this and they get mad as fuck at me.
@@RevengeOfTheKaizer Canada wasnt a nation then... "Canadian" if anyone actually called themself that, was just a term for the british people living in Canada. The british army wasnt comprised of Canadians, but Canada was absolutely British at the time. I know it hurts american feelings that the White House got burned down. But this pretending like Canada wasnt involved and that the war was a draw is incredibly petty. Only American historians claim it was a draw.
@@jaredisley-oliver389 Theres a difference in the fighting forces but not in the nation they represent. Whether militia or red coat they were all representing one nation. You might be educating some on the difference in coat colour, but you might want to brush up on the political history of the nation you're from.
I'm from Quebec and my blood just boiled. Well done Cody
I am from Nunavut it’s pretty cold up here
I’m from Ontario I’m a basic Canadian
@@silver3331 Hey a fellow basic Canadian! What’s up my guy?
@@MacTac141 it’s going great.
I'm an Albertan and I was pretty miffed as well. Granted, I'm in Edmonton, but still.
I kind of feel like any realistic scenario of the US taking Canada in the War of 1812 involves them supporting a free Quebec rebellion, where Quebec gets autonomy and the two have essentially a free trade agreement.
“Alberta might as well be an American state”
*furious Albertan noises*
It’s true but he shouldn’t say it
bruh yeah same
Isn't there a group in Alberta that wants to join the US?
Heh, I was first actually told this by a guy from Calgary. Based on what I know, Alberta's culture is strikingly similar to say Texas or Montana.
@@RoxRock4ever def Texas. People see Texas ‘The Southern State’ but I think that title goes to Arkansas. Texas really is in many ways more of just a Midwestern state with a big population
I haven’t even watched it but I know this’ll be a banger.
I haven’t watched this but I know it will be controversial
@@vancetheseas3471 I already see people arguing about who really won in the comments.
The best part of this video is when Cody mentions hid great grandaddy S. Cauldren, I loved that part, it felt sweet for some reason to find out who was your grandfather: sort of like when Underwood found out his grandpop fought in the Civil War.
I’m like 500 :)
It's pretty confusing since there are some pretty solid arguments for both sides I think. One being the US didn't accomplish it's war goals, while on the other side the UK had paid the US reparations for it. That kind of means nobody really won and there were only losers.
The funny thing about the 1812 war is that the US and Britain both won... and lost... the war. Both achieved their end goals from the outbreak of the conflict, while failing to block the other side from achieving their end goals for the conflict. Made even better that at the treaty talks, no one could figure out how to classify the conflict's declared resolve. When I was younger I imagined a table with two guys just constantly going back and forth with -
US - Did you win?
BE - I don't know, did we?
US - I don't know, did we lose?
BE - I don't know, did we lose?
US - I don't know, did we win?
BE - I don't know, did you win?
And repeat...
You are very educated and you use humor so effectively. Hypothetical and speculative history is interesting enough as it has its own ways to tickle our brains and even though it's not fact it can help us understand how to understand current affairs and the future of our world and our direction as a people. Very good job friend
Here again to say I adore seeing Cody's avatar wearing apparel appropriate to the subject matter
This war was like an itch on the back of UK that they didn't want to deal with, since they had Napoleon to deal with. So they just literally paid it to make it go away.
@Oritra Kar and everyone knows we did
@Oritra Kar Sure, the UK did it's duties, but they probably didn't really want to. This is why this is a war nobody really understands too well. It was after that war that hostilities between the US and the UK ended. Basically "let's be nice with that new country so we don't have to do that anymore".
I think people are too simple minded on the subject of war, because they just comprehend the idea that if there was no border expansion then it was a failure. Kind of like Viet Nam. It was a defensive war for the southern area, but of course American didn't conquer anything so it was a loss... right? So simple minded.
@@sik3xploit seeing as South Vietnam ended up being pretty brutally annexed, it was an actual failure and defeat as a defensive war, not merely perceived as a defeat by the public. Korea would be a better illustration and might be what you meant. I agree with the point you're making, though.
America is just Britain with an attitude and a heavy dose of narcissism. Their constitution was written using British enlightenment philosophy.
@@elias_xp95 lol it was one of the congressmen back then that said "We didn't make anything new, we just took the best of what's already made". And yes, very much like British philosophy. It's why it was designed as "constitutional", but instead of a monarchy it was made a republic.
Watching the American victory scenario as a Canadian was pretty sad. Really made me think about how different our culture would be, and also how we did the same kind of thing with the aboriginals
Your culture would be the exact same, except more accepting of your Americanness
The US and Canada are perhaps the two most culturally similar countries on Earth. It’s just that Canada’s constant inferiority complex forces it to overemphasize minor differences.
@@donaldwobamajr6550 everyone wants to be their own special snowflake
I mean we'd have to pay for healthcare
@@azure4622 Lol, maybe in this alternative timeline, we'd actually have affordable Healthcare? Pribably not though
Something about your videos always gets me...
What could have been but never will, what might have been better, had the Archduke never been shot or had Woodrow Wilson never gained power. Keep up the good work!
Britain: *burns white house*
US: Tis but a scratch
Britain: A scratch your capital city is ours
US: oh come on you pansie
Oh Monty Python never change.
Battle of York
"Victory is mine! We thank thee lord, that in my-" *KICK* "Have at you!"
@@FelipeJaquez your stupid, York wasn’t and still isn’t Canada’s capital.
@@mervynlan7727 true
“The battle of Lake Erie ends with Commodore Perry dead”
Still-Sequestered Japan: neat
Different Perry.
wrong Commodore Perry, this was Oliver Hazard Perry, Jacan-opener was Matthew Calbraith Perry
This was Matthew Perry's brother actually.
Which Perry played Chandler Bing? :-D
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 nice
My 6th great grandfather fought in the War of 1812. I believe he volunteered in the North Carolina Militia. I would have to recheck my notes. After the war, he was given farm land as a pension award. The pension wasn't a think until the late 1800s, but he was given several acres of land for volunteering.
That’s a lot of grandfathers
I'm Canadian and I totally agree with both scenarios. Keep up the awesome work!
The British: We just burned the white house, can we stop now?
The US: Oooooooh you lost at New Orleans, we won the war..... *ok we can stop now*
More like The US: Ok we can stop now.
Signs a peace treaty
The US: Just one more battle, while we wait for the treaty to arrive back.
Wins the battle of New Orleans.
The US: We totaly won the war. USA! USA!
The British: Eh whatever off to fight Napoleon again.
The war was declared over before the battle of new orleans its just that information traveled slower than
@@KKKKKKK777js Napoleon had already been exiled by then
If the British actually gave a single shit about the War of 1812, the US probably wouldn't be around today.
@@KKKKKKK777js You do realize napoleon was exiled by then?
I would like to a scenario about US history without a Jackson presidency.
We all would bro
Here’s my fanfic: Based President John Quincy Adams is elected to a record five terms, during which he enacts women’s suffrage, gets slavery abolished, doesn’t commit genocide, and ascends to the heavens at the ripe old age of 103
He is posthumously declared as having the most big-dick energy in American history and unofficially deified
Then everyone clapped
The good timeline
Better Jackson than Obama.
I would prefer a scenario about US history with Teddy Roosevelt as President during WWI.
@@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu That is a thing you said openly on the internet for everyone to read.
I always love how people say Canada was a part of the war of 1812. Seeing as how Canada wasn’t formed until 1867 it’s quite an impressive feat to fight in a war 50 years before forming your country.
If it makes them feel better about themselves. Just let them have their moment
What a bore you are. Just because the colonies weren't yet united into a single state doesn't mean they couldn't perfectly reasonably collectively be called "Canada".
John Jacob Astor had already started setting up fur trading in present day Eastern Washington, I think Rupertland was actually larger then he showed, and Quebec but it was a 1763 thing.
@@cringefairy2687 but they didn't call it that.
@@TheLesterino So what?
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
I'm Canadian and I found your point about Canadian identity fading in a US-owned Canada interesting. Canadian culture itself has changed and adapted through the decades. Seventy years ago, british loyalist sentiment was still strong. There was even major national debate over changing the flag from our previous colonial red ensign to the maple leaf. Since then, loyalist sentiment has dwindled. You see it here and there but it comes across more as a special interest group than much else. This is for similar reasons mentioned in the video. Non-british decendants from just about everywhere have now out populated the ethnically British Canadians, and our culture has changed. Some things remain, such as national holidays like Victoria Day, but the majority of Canadians aren't screaming for a return to the "glory days" of the British Empire. Thanks for the video.
Well, "Canadian culture" (other than Quebec) isn't different from American culture in general (er, North American culture tbh). True, there are obviously differences between the two in things like government or a few Canadian TV shows. But virtually everything else is, in fact, the same (which most Americans don't even realize, and Canadians seem to reject the idea of)
~more on a second comment~
Ultimately, things like food, language, lifestyle, history, a lot of the history, etc. are nearly the same (again, except for Quebec). Even (from my experiences with South Africans) South Africans acknowledge the fact that their culture is heavily influenced by/largely taken from the USA--and they live... well, pretty far.
@@guacre2675 I think "virtually everything else is the same" is definitely overstating it, and in many ways Canadian culture is still a hybrid of British and American (tilted more towards American, to be sure, but definitely not identical to it 'apart from government and a few TV shows'). Certainly linguistically it's pretty indisputable that there are quite a few key differences between Canadian and American English (with Canadian English having many holdovers from British English as well as plenty of its own idiosyncrasies). And if we're talking about things like temperament, national character, or whatever nebulous labels for these concepts you want to use, it's hard to quantify specifically but IMO there are definitely important distinctions we can make between the two countries. The stereotypes like 'the individualistic American' and 'the apologetic Canadian" exist for a reason because there is some truth to them, and even though, as Sean said, many of the differences are slowly fading away as time passes, I think they're still widespread enough to be noteworthy. Even among relatively recent arrivals. They may not have the same ethnic heritage, but they - and especially their children - adopt many of the same attitudes and values.
@@siukong 1) The language is just absurd. Spelling differences can hardly be called culture. That's way, way, way too specific. Culture is about lifestyle (hobbies, religion, food, language (not spelling differences--I mean the fact that we both speak English), values/mannerisms, etc). 2) Stereotypes are not culture either. Canadians don't say they have DIFFERENT values/ways of showing respect, manners, etc. So even if the stereotype is true of them being better at sticking with their values, they still have the same values.
Also, "national character" is not only almost impossible to quantity, it doesn't mean anything to common folk. A nation is not made of ridiculous top-down ideas like that, but a nation is made up of the people who live there and their finer details like culture.
Cody: *What if Anyone Won the War of 1812?*
Canada: *What do you mean "What if"?*
What if is Cody's signature description for an event that could have happened but didn't
You can't be too mean, Cody is American, it's hard for him to see things objectively.
Good work. Both scenarios are very believable.
Thank you for making this. The historical context alone made me almost laughs and choke on my own spit the point. 👌
the rest of the world besides the US & Canada: "which war?"
As a spaniard, if someone said the war of 1812, everyone would think of our War of Independence, which is kinda a weird name. But we have to get creative when naming our civil wars...
@@Ditidos Mexico declared independence declaring allegiance to the House of Borbón, so, yeah, it was a Spaniard independence from Napoleonic France.
Well considering the Napoleonic war was going on in the beginning of it yeah they probably didn't even know a war was happening in North America.
Hell most people in America don't even know how many wars are going on around the world today.
Europe: Napoleonic Wars?
Latin America: War of independence?
@@jgr7487 Yeah, but I mean the one we had on the Iberian Peninsula. After all, Napoleon's brother got the throne completely legaly, it was a weird thing.
And in retrospective, it might have been better to let Spain in the hands of Napoleon's brother...
Unless you mean Mexican independence war was the same one, in that case the name has much more sense.
"What if the War of 1812 was won by someone"
*Canadia Stops*
Ah yes, Canadia
I, too, love adding extra vowoels to words.
They got their capitol (York) burned by American troops and the real fighting was done by British soldiers sent from the Spanish theater, Canada did jack shit in the war.
@@liammcshane7985 ah another person who slept through history class I see
Zontar Likewise, what? Are you from Canada where they teach you that nonsense drivel? Must suck being Canadian, at least the Yanks have got their Revolution and moon landings, we have our Empire, and you well, you have your hand carried by us British and your greatest national identity moment was carried and won by us. Terribly sorry but your history is frankly worthless.
I now know about the war of 1812, as a Brit I had no idea that there even was a fight for New Orleans, the most I know is that they like Jazz and drink and Alligators but who doesn't like alligators.
My 5th great grandpa fought in the war of 1812 as well. Captain Benjamin Arliss Napier, who is in a famous painting from the war along with his schooner. After the war he and two escaped slaves became pirates together. I don't know much else, other than the inhabitants of kelleys Island told their kids spooky bedtime stories about him & his crew, and he was eventually pardoned.
The British: wait there was a war in 1812?
these words brought to you by a British friend
Yah american friend.
Britain, did you forget something? Namely a short Frenchman in a big hat?
@@kennandunn7533 Nappy wasn't short
@@LordVader1094 SHH, don't let the British know!
@Seaworth the ultimate strategy of running away...
As a Canadian, I am certainly not angry at the alternate history of us being conquered. However, there is a sense of relief that in real life we got to choose to be different.
I have a friend from “Trois-rivière?” And he says he’d rather be a US state. Is he the one Canadian that likes America ?
@@saberwing753 I'm an American, so I'm not reallyyyyy too sure. But I think there's something of a sub-culture (mostly in western Canada, particularly Alberta) of secret pro-Americans
@@guacre2675 in Alberta it's not really secret, half of us hate the idea of being American and half of us already believe they live there.
...somehow...
@@thepurplepanda4 Well, to the second half, I say welcome to an identical country
For now.
Oh and the one about little turtle too. That one was awesome and probably my favorite
Ancestry is a great resource! I found out that some of my direct ancestors, with the last name Haddock, where English Naval commanders during the First Anglo-Dutch War, many of them became Admirals and one was also Comptroller of the Navy. ^-^
*Britain burns down Whitehouse*
Canada: You did this?
*Britain Nods*
*Britain goes to New Orleans*
Canada: **I did this**
*Edit*: Thanks for the likes guys!
Most Canadians don’t take responsibility for burning the White House probably because we want to keep our good image
@@nekkerscam what do you mean I tell Americans we burnt the White House down all the time, it gives us something to brag about, just don’t tell them I said that
@@nekkerscam Every Canadian I know brings up burning down the White House eventually lol
Well technically all the troops who burned it down we're from the Canadian colonies
. Just to Let everyone know I'm f****** with everyone
@@nekkerscam speak for your self, and we’ll fucking do it again
All I remember about this is that I had to do class work on it back in middle school
And you got a big (F), right Ioser?
They didn’t do the A B C for grade thing in my school they did the numbers
@@GenericCommenter-by4zi
And you got a big Zero or Minus Hundred (-100), right Ioser ???
No I think I did ok like around the 80s
@@unclejeffthechad9459 That feels like an attack :/
the cover of I Vow to Thee My Country on violin in the background is pretty cool.
The “I vow to thee my country” music was a very nice touch
Cody: "If the US won, they might've annexed all of Canada."
JJ McCullough: *Sweats nervously*
@Kai Sullivan everything west of Ontario would be easily assimilated
THE UNITED NORTH AMERICAN STATES
@Kai Sullivan I might've worded that wrong, I meant he would sweat nervously like, "Oh, tell me more."
lol
Now imagine if the USA Conquered Canada Mexico Central America the Caribbean Greenland keeps Liberia and the Philippines that’s what all of the USA’s territorial ambitions combined was
Video idea: What if the native Americans somehow had immunity to all the European diseases before they came into contact with each other? I don't know how this would work, but I figured it could be cool.
I think there is a case that the Vikings were unable to establish a permanent settlement in America because the native population was more robust and confrontational at that time, but there was a major population collapse about 100 years before European settlement, so you had a lot of weak and fractured tribes that couldn't organize a resistance to british colonies.
I think that would occur if the Vinland settlements had survived, they would have brought alot of those diseases over much earlier, giving natives more time to recover from the exchange, but the Columbian Exchange was going to happen one way or another
The thing is, I don't know if ultimately anything would've changed, just our pace of expansion would've slowed down. Disease isn't what let Spain conquer Central and South America, it was using the hatred of the tribes for each other to their advantage (and in the case of Pizarro, he showed up in Peru right at the exact perfect time because there was a complete political shitshow going on in the Inca Empire that made them unable to focus on him). One of the big reasons the American Indian tribes failed to stop us is in no small part because they couldn't stop fighting each other long enough to form a united front. The Little Bighorn wasn't notable just because we lost but also because it was a rare time that several tribes teamed up like that.
@@SeruraRenge11 you said american indian do you mean indigenous peoples
@ The American Indian Movement saw pejorative connotations in the term native and reappropriated the term Indian in the 1990s, to the point that most of them preferred calling themselves American Indians over Native Americans. Russell Means, an Oglala Lakota activist, opposed the term Native American because he believed it was imposed by the government without the consent of Native people. He has also argued that the use of the word Indian derives not from a confusion with India but from a Spanish expression en Dios meaning "in God".
I love when I find a new channel to binge
1:48 The Era of Negative Feelings
"What if the War of 1812 was won by uhhh.... hmm.."
AlternateHistoryHub: say no more fam
I can hear the aggressive typing by Canadians from here.
Sorry about that. I'll try to keep it down. Have a good day. enjoy the weather eh
There’s so many of them around here pissed about it
Just a friendly American imperialist stopping by to say hello
@@jacksauce Hey there! Wanna go rob someone of their oil?
@@michaelsoland3293 happens. Patriotism and all
As someone who lives on Mackinac Island and talks about the war every day for work, I love ripping it apart.
I disagree with the beginning.
You inferred The British and Canadians won the War of 1812 because they protected Canada, repealed American invasions, and burned down the White House.
But I think it was more of a tie.
With the fact that the U.S.A. beat the British in a naval war at Lake Erie and controlled the Great Lakes, burned down large swaths of Toronto, the Canadian capital (called York at the time), including government buildings; they might’ve burned down the White House, but we burned down large parts of there entire capital; we defeated Tecumseh and the Pan-Indian alliance in the Midwest; we kicked the British out of the midwest; we won the final battle kicking the British’s butts in New Orleans; we got the British to finally recognize us as a nation; the impressment of our sailors was stopped; We ravaged Upper Canada; the future great General Scott fought in the war; no land was gained by either, though, besides Britain finally recognizing our claims and independence.
It is sometimes called the "Second American War of Independence" by us in the USA.
Overall, no one gained any land in the war, and it came to an end with a peace treaty.
was definitely a tie in my view.
The natives definitely lost, though, and the U.S. military performed terribly in the War.
Well the USA got Carleton island and West Florida in the war.
"Solomon Cauldren"
Sounds like a _Harry Potter_ name.
The more I think about it the more it does
Yes
That sounds more like a disney rip off
Sounds like an israel politician name.
Sounds like my next DND character's name.
UK: *burns Washington DC*
US: "Alright, we'll call it a draw"
UK: "What are you going to do, bleed on me?"
US: "I'M INVINCIBLE!!!"
US: destroys the Bri’ish at New Orleans
UK: “we totally won that”
@@Jjb-gk4ce dude you won one battle? Burning your enemy's Capitol > winning one battle lmao
@@stefvanderstraeten8921 Battle of York, entire Canadian capital turned to ash
@@Jjb-gk4ce The British overall killed more, the battle was fought after the treaty, before the battle concluded they had thousands of more dead Americans compared to British troops, they basically stomped on them while not caring.
It’s funny because as an American growing up in Ruralville U.S.A., schools always taught the war of 1812 as an unprovoked British invasion that was a direct result of the Revolutionary War that we ultimately won.
No? Americans teaching inaccurate Americanised alternative reality? The British won the war of 1812 the Americans sued for peace after failing in most their objectives with the British literally securing every last one of there's.
A really interesting video, thank you. I'm Australian, so it's cool to see this stuff from an outsider's perspective.
I'm actually glad that things are the way they are, but the flow-on effects of either alternate scenario presented are interesting. In terms of an American "win", I'm not so sure it would be so simple. If the British more or less left Canada to its own devices, then I think American soldiers would be needed to suppress Canadian loyalists for decades afterwards. Canada is a HUGE landmass, and I can easily see both the troops being discouraged by ongoing terrorism, and the effort required costing far too much. I think that sooner or later, the Americans would sue for peace, and leave of their own accord. This might result in a smaller, and differently shaped Canada than the one we have now, depending upon which battles were won where. For a start, what if Canadian loyalists withdrew from the east, but decided to settle throughout the Great Plains - or to settle the western seaboard en masse? And/or allied with the Native Americans in various places?
Likewise, culture works in both directions. If people were flowing into both nations from Europe and elsewhere, what would happen if people decided they liked the direction Canada was heading in (less Empire-based, and more independent), rather than the USA. Could some of the border States actually be settled as, or become, Canadian, in part because they were sick of being ruled by Washington, and/or in part because they were sick of having soldiers around the place all the time?
Finally, the impact of having Canadian numbers added to the American Civil War would presumably shift the balance there somewhat too.
"Alberta might as well be an American State" Yep as an Albertian we are hugely influenced by American culture, specifically Texas whom we feel the most comradery with.
Join us
@@seandonahue4469 Not going to lie Texas’s second Amendment stance makes that offer tempting
Except Alberta has more common sense and is colder
@@elharvey5032 Spoken like someone who doesn't live here!
@@elharvey5032 and we still couldn't get a pipeline down to the refineries around Texas City.
Fun Fact: Canada actual annexed all of ameri-
Hey who are you? What are you doing with that gu-
*BLAM*
I recently took a trip to Mammoth Cave, Kentucky. During the War of 1812, the cave was used to mine gunpowder, and after the war ended the equipment was abandoned and remains there to this day.
I love the music in this. I wish you'd post where you found them.
As a child, I thought the 1812 Overture was about the War of 1812
It isnt?
@@wehatetimmy
Napoleon's invasion of Russia.
Yep, Americans only like it because it's good music to blow things up to. Literally, it's fireworks music and we as Americans can just gloss over that whole stuff about autocracy saving Russia from the ravages of republican ideas because things are exploding big and pretty in the sky.
This is, of course, why America is #1.
As a kind, as some people should note. We don't know until we get older and look it up. Also it does not in fact happen as often as some Europeans like to make it out to be, but most Americans, at least adult Americans, do not think it's about the War of 1812. We already know Tchaikovsky is a Russian name and that the style of 1812 Overture is distinctly Russian.
@@nathaniellindner313
Or Americans like it because Americans also like classical music. As for Americans liking that sight of pretty exploding stuff in the sky because we have simple, unrefined brains when it comes to proper culture. Have you seen the metal and techo, trance, dance scene in Europe? Have you seen the the firework displays and the light shows of those concerts? It's huge over there, and is bigger there than it is here.
20-30 years from now, I foresee your kid(s) explain the alternate history "What if 2020 Wasn't a Hand-cupped Fart in the Wind?"
"What if Coronavirus didn't happened?"
"Well, first of all i think Covid wasn't such an important event in our history. It wouldn't stop the US intervention in the Midlee east, nor the russian anexation of Ukraine. If we see it by a modern view, we would realise it wasn't even that deadly, it's not like the world stopped work-"
"NO"
0:06 if you're looking for the song just look up rescue Girl theme and it should come up
THANK YOU SO MUCH
this is an amazing video. it was fun to see canada as a part of this war in a video on the war of 1812
The only people that lost this war were the native Americans.
Didn't he literally say something like that in the video already?
@@MagnustheMage people quote the video everyone just watched all the time. It’s annoying
@@baker7280 I mean we ain't exactly looking for introspective pieces of art in here. If people want to quote their favorite part of the video, that lets others comment under that quote and expand on that topic. This has the same energy as getting mad at someone for quoting a book line in a book club. Like bro, come off a little
@@totaldan99 you go to book clubs often?
@@baker7280 I mean my gf does, i just go when i got nothing better to do tbh
"This is going to be short." Proceeds to continue on for a solid 17 minutes
Good reading comprehension
Something not mentioned, a US that has Canada as part of it would be very easily resource independent, as Canada has a great amount of resource wealth, some of it what the US has in smaller amounts and has to import. A US with Canada in it would be able to essentially live on its own without any trade with the outside world.
We could be resource-independent now if not for bureaucracy.
@@macsenplays Hahahahahahaha
@@macsenplays you are resource independent my guy. Food, oil, metals. You got it all.
I'm Canadian Canada 🇨🇦and I love you content. Lol you make some good jokes too 🇨🇦🍁
I'm Canadian and I find this scenario very interesting. A giant continent spanning free country that rivals the size of Russia. America would be even more powerful and rich. I think the Western Canadian provinces would be richer as well, including the North. I wonder if my grandparents would have moved here, my grandfather was thinking of moving to South Africa in the 50's.
Be very lucky he didn't, South Africa is a racist cesspool now and days, and not good ol' American racism that you're used to
Too much land and people. America already can't manage what land they have. Northern Canada would probably be poorer. Or the same.
@@hex1233 it’s really not. Most of Canada’s population is already close to the border. And the state of California has more people than the entirety of Canada. It would manage
@@hex1233tell me you know nothing about what you’re talking about, without directly telling me
Though there would be a fair chance Russia never sells Alaska to the US, as a big part of that sale was to prevent the British from simply seizing it in a war, and selling it at least generates some cash from the territory. With no British presence in North America, they may hold onto it long enough to find the oil and mineral riches it holds. Or they may decide it's not worth the trouble to explore it all and sell it anyway, they have wars to prepare for afterall, can't waste time and money on what seems to be a vast expanse of snow and pine trees.
the fact that nobody won but everyone thought they did made the peace and friendship there is today
Ww1 had a much bigger part to play in that
@@godlovesyou1995 idk. I think the fact that everyone wasn't salty anymore helped more create the alliance in ww1
@@godlovesyou1995 the US and UK were very friendly with each other prior to WW1. WW1 just solidified their alliance as a military one
It's kind of funny how the relationship between the US and the UK is incredibly similar to the 'characters that start as enemies but become best friends after a fight' trope seen everywhere in fiction.
@@nonameisopen it's like the father and son reconciling after years apart. They both started to understand each other's position, they might not agree with it, but at least they respect it.
For anyone wondering what song is used in the first 10 seconds, it’s called Rescue Girl, from Mighty Switch Force 2.
We Sacked Toronto They Sacked Washington so it’s a tie in normal timeline
"Alberta might as well be an American state."
I have talked to Albertans and US statehood has floated around.
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson
With DC possibly becoming a new state I too think more so it should
maybe all of canada can join the US as well..
JKJK
-unless-
Saskatchewan considered it too, depending on how the last Quebecois referendum turned out.
@@prestonjones1653 almost all of Canada debated it. But the thing is, it wouldn’t work. Even though Alberta and Saskatchewan pretend they’re different. They still have strong Canadian pride. They wouldn’t vote to leave, just to replace the government.
@@owenplourde3934 although the government fucking sucks you’re right, here in Alberta there’s nothing we love more then Canada.
"Canada still talks about burning the White House to this day"
As a Canadian can confirm.
Sorry about that.
To be fair we did burn your capital to the ground first so it’s all good. 👍
It’s not like we can’t rebuild
@@DocuNamics well; Although the explosion of the powder keg of York did explode, it was not intended; it initiated Admiral Ross in Bermuda to burn DC; and DC was a capital federally, when York was one of several colonial capitals at war with the USA, having their federal government in London (which was not burned during this war)
:)
I mean fair. Who wouldn’t flex that your country burned the capitol of the worlds strongest super power.
your righ
A note on choice of music: Hearing Holst's "Jupiter" played on strings instead of brass sounds so sad and tragic. Good choice.
Next spring/summer I so have to hit the 1812 sites on this side of Lake Erie. Lots of good stuff between Cleveland and Niagara.
Dude i feel like this war of 1812 is such a Monty Python situation, i mean;
Bristish and Canadians Troops: *Burned Washington to the ground*
The US somehow: "Tis but a scratch"
Because it was a one day coastal raid. It's not like a city made of wood is somehow fire resistant due to it's political importance. Did a cow win a strategic victory because it burned Chicago? They lit a cheeky fire a fucked right off
I mean we burned down the capital of Upper Canada so it is pretty even
First Canada wasn’t a country, if you asked people from Canada at the time what they considered themselves they would say British.
Oh montey
Meanwhile:
Crusaders: *burn constantinople*
Byzantium: *fucking dies*
The War of 1812: the one that the Americans think they won, the Canadians think they won and the British forgot they won
The one the British don't care about, because waterloo
Eh we brits haven't really forgotten it. Just not talked about. We do learn it in a very oversimplified way when Learning about napoleonic wars.
@@A2pattingPod042 Most non-history interested peeps don't know of it. Heck i'm pretty into history and even I only really know about the burning of the whitehouse part. It's generally just remembered as the time we dabbed on those yankee traitors.
British didn’t win. As the video states.
@@TheIceman567 Hmm Idk about that one. Here I’ll state it like this, America’s war aims: Stop Impressment and arms sales to Indians, to be achieved through the conquest of Canada the only thing the US can actually do to hurt the UK. So their political objectives are made irrelevant almost instantly because news arrives from the UK that Britain has decided to stop those things (but the news was delayed). Now the Americans could simply call it quits... but no they want their military objective of taking Canada, but now Canada is thee only reason for the USAs war. So America’s war objective is take Canada... did they succeed? No. Britain’s war objectives: None we just got war declared on us. What does the UK want to do? It wants to focus on winning the French who are 10 times the threat. So what do they do about the USA? Answer their aims are simply hold on to Canada and to end this stupid side show as quickly as possible so they can finish off Napoleon. Did they succeed? Yes.
So what were the peace terms? Status quo... what was the geo strategic situation when the treaty was signed (to the best knowledge of the diplomats)? The situation was the American invasions of Canada had failed the UK had raided the US coast, and the battle of New Orleans hadn’t happened yet and neither side new about it happening because it hadn’t actually occurred when the deal was made (the most decisive battle for the US in the war had zero impact on the peace treaty). As far as those diplomats were concerned the Americans had failed to take on the colonies of Canada backed by the small North American squadron, while Britain had been primarily focused on a continental war against Napoleons empire. Now Napoleon was gone Europe was at peace and Britain could now send reinforcements to North America en mass if it so wished. If it wanted to it could finish the job.
So to reiterate America’s apparent justification for declaring war was made redundant, so the sole focus became taking Canada, which they then hopelessly failed to do. Britain’s war objective boiled down to: Just peace out and don’t lose Canada and if there’s time bonk America for trying to take it. Yeah these war objectives tell the story really...
If I had to guess, I have watched each of Cody’s videos a dozen times each. But THIS one the most by a large margin. Forty plus.
I would love to see the first scenario continued.
“You are either angry or hate this.”
Not really no one would even had remembered the idea of “Canada” so really we would just be Americans. :/
The Quebeckers would have. They had been calling themselves canadiens for over a 100 years before confederation.
Maybe we could've been North Americans instead of Americans. That would've been nice.
@@crowpotking1100 You mean to say there's a second, southern America? What the fuck is that garbage?
@@kingstarscream320 I'm also a bit amused that his "US wins" scenario has Americans moving to 19th century Quebec and out-populating the locals. The high local birth rate and ready access to warmer, more productive land in other parts of NA meant that Quebec was more a source of migrants -- both those born in Quebec and those just stopping there on the way to somewhere better -- than a magnet for migrants.
@@kingstarscream320
Doesn’t Quebec also like to keep talking about how they are going to secede but never do, like a Canadian Texas?
“We burned this tightarse city to the ground in 1814 and I’m all for doing it again” - Malcom Tucker
"... starting with you, you frat fuck"
Can anyone recognize that song at 0:06 where it goes "set the world aflame?" I think remember hearing it once in my life and I can't find it online.
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Video Idea: What if Napoleon wasn’t stopped at Waterloo? What if Napoleon won Waterloo? What would he have done when he won? Napoleon is my favorite historical character so I just really need to know. Thank you!
Last time I was this early North America still had horses
What?
@@Salty-Doggy Horses originally evolved in North America, then migrated to Eurasia across a passageway that formed between the two continents. The Ice age then occurred and the horses that remained in North America died off while the Eurasian horses survived.
Last time I was this early he still did fan made alternate countries episodes
I remember those were the days
I feel really old now
What was the name of that song with the white House on fire 😂. It made me chuckle
You should make a spin-off of this video about Jackson
Anything about Jackson reads like a psychopath's cocaine-fueled fanficiton. The man lived his life at a 14 on 1-10, to the determent of everybody around him.
America: yay we won the battle of new Orleans.
Uk:destroys us capital
America: draw
Other way around, actually.
@@RevengeOfTheKaizer fr tho
Only Americans think they "won" or they call it a draw.
The British knew they won hence why Wellington said the war in Canada was successful
Just the white house. The rest of Washington was saved by divine intervention. That isn't much of an exaggeration since that freak storm was in fucking DC of all places, and absolutely massive.
@@whodareswins486 It's not like we burned down Toronto or anything like that. The British didn't win anything; they had to give up their claims on lands south of the 48th parallel and vacated the area. If anything, America won a political victory by proving that it could hold its own and achieved further recognition as a legitimate, sovereign state.
"British Columbia and Washington would be 1 territory" Me: "*CASCADIA!!!*"
Probably not, given trends just like how they hacked the chunk of Oregon territory they got BC probably would be hacked up as well.
That Hank Hill meme made me crack out.
3:03 - There were discussions on the British Side about taking all or parts of Modern Day Maine (then part of Massachusetts) and establishing a new Colony out of it, the Battle of Hampden was a thing that happened.
As a part Potawatomi descendant and fellow 419er, I was just thinking about the Battle of Lake Erie/War of 1812 in the context of ideas for your channel just a couple weeks ago. Weird coincidence.
TBH Perry's total victory on the lake was probably the most impactful part of the war in hindsight, as it made Fort Detroit untenable for the British and directly led to the battle that killed Tecumseh and broke his confederacy, curtailing the British ability to effectively project force directly and by proxy into what we now think of as the US side of the western and central Great Lakes region. While you're probably right that the US would've eventually driven them out anyway, a relatively major Native nation opposed to the US existing for even a couple decades with the recognition and support of a major European power could've radically changed the nature of US and Canadian conflict with the tribes of the North American interior.
I’d agree
I think that would have ended with a much, much, much bloodier relationship between the natives & Americans (maybe Canadians?)
@@guacre2675 yes, probably.
the legend himself has finally uploaded a new video
11:51 really caught me off guard with the random review-bruh image
Considering a big part of the US wanting to go to war was the British protecting the natives the US was fighting, so considering they got the British and natives out if the Midwest I'd say the US won