LASER Comparison: ATEZR P20 Plus vs. xTool D1 Pro
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In this video, I compare two 20watt diode laser engraving machines to one another. I take a close look at the ATEZR P20 Plus and the xTool D1 Pro noting each aspect that I like as well as a few that just don't seem to measure up. In the end, you'll get a very good idea of which machine might work the best for you and your shop requirements. Watch and laugh as each of these of these units gets ranked by me in the most scientific way possible!
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00:00 - Intro
01:03 - Packaging, Assembly, & Aesthetics
04:43 - Dimensions
06:19 - Quality of Construction
08:06 - Air Assist
10:06 - Laser Modules
11:59 - Performance
14:49 - Offline Capabilities
16:40 - Accessories
18:15 - Price
20:18 - Outtakes
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Very kind of you, Drew, to have gotten these two packages safely off the neighbor's front stoop before they were taken by porch pirates! And then to take your precious time to open them, discover they were laser engravers, and put each of them through its paces just to make sure they weren't damaged in shipping? They just don't make neighbors like you anymore, Mr. Fisher! Pretty selfless! 👍
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Love your videos as always!! After procrastinating for right at a year this video made us finally buy the xtool! Used your link of course keep up the good work so much love coming your way!!!🥰♥️
Awesome! Thank you! I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
As always love your videos. Thanks for the education as well as the laughs 😃
Thanks for watching!
I have the ATEZR P20 and I love it. It’s really well made and has been a great addition to my shop.
Right on
You know you like a channel when you will watch the videos even when it’s something you’re not really interested in. Another great video. Thanks for sharing!
I appreciate that!
Thanks for another great video and a comprehensive pie graph
Glad you enjoyed it
Drew it’s always a pleasure to watch your videos you have a gift when it comes to humor
4 screws a cow and a iron man rating is brilliant keep the videos coming my friend
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. :)
Cool. I didn't know I needed this. Now I can't live without it. Thanks a lot, Drew!!!!
Any time!
The comparison was phenomenal! Well done!
Thanks, Will!
Wow! That was a lot of great info Drew! I'm thinking about a Laser and you answered a bunch of questions I had....👍👍👍 Thanks Bro!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome review Drew! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching!
Good video Drew, my Atezr P20 Plus is on it's way - can't wait to get started..
The ATEZR is an awesome laser. Love it
I have the Xtool D1 10W and love it. Most of us that have built a custom enclosure have tossed the orange shield. It's not needed with the enclosure, and it actually gets in the way more often than not. I have all the other bits and bobs that you can add to the machine, greatly increasing it's versatility. The Xtool is a great machine - the only thing that appears lacking is the customer support (see online forums for feedback on that)
Yeah, that was one category I decided not to test. Understandably, there will be a language barrier and a response time issue since it's all coming from China. But with how wide their customer base is, usually you can find answers on online forums and that sort of thing
@@FishersShop It was another great episode as always! Keep up the great videos - we appreciate the hard work you put into them!
Facebook has a few forums.
Thank you I’ve been debating on getting one.
Hopefully it was helpful
I don't usually care for review video's but yours was enjoyable to watch and I got a few chuckles along the way. 👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
That was a great and unique scoring system. I needed that laugh spell. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was great, would love to see more product reviews. Thanks!
Thanks for watching
best review OF ANYTHING EVER IN THE HISTORY OF REVIEWS!!
Hey Drew I have an Xtool and just learned something there is a switch on the pcb board on the xtool that has to be flipped to allow updates maybe that switch has to be turned on so your phone will connect to the machine I'd love to know if that fixes the issue
man, I am 4 minutes in and I really hope you do way more tool review/comparison videos. You just seem to understand my sense of humor
and this was one of the best review videos Ive ever seen
Haha, thanks, Bobby!
Please do not do more tool reviews. I’m a huge Fisher Fan but couldn’t finish watching this one.
I usual skip over the laser reviews as I am not in that area yet but I truly enjoy your videos so I watched it all the way through. Thank you for your help. Not really sure what I want just yet as I have many ideas how to incorporate them.
Awesome! Glad it was helpful
I know certify you as the best product scorer in the whole world! I love Airwolf!
A couple of years ago I built myself a CNC mill as a proof of concept. I used that little CNC mill to build me a much bigger CNC mill. It’s been about 5 years now that I’ve been designing and milling to my heart’s content. This year I’m going to use the knowledge and lessons learnt over the years to me my own 100W CO2 CNC (freaking) laser.
Sounds cool. Zach from Byte Sized just did a video series on that
@@FishersShop I followed Further Fabrication to get some insight, but I’ll be sure to check out Zach channel as well. Thanks!! 😉
That Congo laser was epic
One of the best, most entertaining reviews of this machine.
Accesories you can buy after are pretty irrelevant. You can buy all of the accessories, like air assist or extraction, from loads of places.
The stuff they give you with the machine is worth considering, but to be honest they are peanuts. And with the X Tool still at around $1300 while the Atezr is $680 that's a lot of test materials.
So the rest of the test, fair enough. But the accessories section just seems way off, even allowinf for the fact that the Atezr cost more at the time of the review. The extra $150 for the X Tool air assist still buys all those materials they give you, and a lot more. And there is bound to be an upgrade module for the Atezr, if there isn't at the time of writing.
Clear winner here, in all but aethetics, very subjective, is the Atezr.
Yeah, it was definitely my favorite. After filming this video, I sold the xTool immediately and used the ATEZR for quite a while. Since then, I've given it to a friend and now use the IKIER (seen in a more recent video)
That is by far the best rating system I’ve ever seen. It should be the standard!
I’ve got an xtool d1 (10w) and I really like it. One other feature they have is leg extensions. They’re extra cylinders that screw into the existing legs that let you raise the tray up. These are extremely helpful in case anyone needs to engrave on thicker work pieces.
Yeah, I had them on in one shot. The ATEZR also has risers as well.
@@FishersShopI cannot find them anywhere it’s a shame :(
@@tamaramarrero9024 www.xtool.com/collections/accessory/products/risers-for-xtool-d1
Nice review, Drew~! I'll be looking at getting one of these in the near future. Great features on both. As for the air hose concern, you could "borrow" one of the vacuum lines from your neighbor's car and replace it with the xTool's line. Neighbor will appreciate the upgrade~! ;-) Thanks for the video~!
I just might have to.
Thank you. I really found that interesting as laser engravers are just starting to become popular here in Australia and I thought about one for sign making. My problem is I’m a computer Neanderthal and getting on in age just a bit to go too deep into that area.
My other grey area is my workshop is under my home and I understand laser burning with timber causes odour issues!
Yeah, if you're just doing engraving, it's not so bad. But cutting operations will definitely smoke the place up
Nice review Drew! Thanks for always sharing with us!💖👍😎JP
My pleasure
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Fantastic testing and review, Drew! 😃
Fantastic machines indeed! Some day I get one. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks 👍
Good review I think I would lean toward the Atezr
Thanks, Harry. I'm still on the fence with both
I have the xTool D1 10watt though it has now been upgraded with the 20 watt module (and will be getting their infrared module) and extension kit and enclosures... honey comb rotary kit... I do kind a agree about the air assist... and mine having to go through an international adaptor makes it even more clumsy and sometimes finicky ... however overall I happy with the beast and will be getting their 40 watt Co2 beast in the next couple of months...
Right on!
Ceramark works great on aluminum. I do luggage tags and dog tags for people.
Great video. Your comparisons reminded me of Michael’s scoring on Beach Day episode of The Office.
I can picture Andy floating away in his sumo suit now. 😂
Nice job. I have the XTool D1 with LightBurn. I enjoy it. I am about to buy a CNC to do some 3D stuff.
right on!
Thanks for th evideo! Looking to buy one, does the Laser makes too much noise to use in an apartment?
Not at all. Your only concern will be the fume and smoke extraction
Thanks for the comparison, Drew.
Have a question for you.
How well do these do on hardwoods like walnt? Would a 20W laser be adequate for engraving charcuterie boards, etc.?
Yes. The main difference in W is the time it takes.
Great review comparison. The air assist could be the deal maker for some, that's $150 worth of other upgrades, go toward building your own fume extraction cabinet, consumables. The air hose issue is easily solved with a length of surgical tubing. If your neighbor has one of those cheap, expanding garden hoses, that's the internal part. As soon as the hose fitting starts leaking, you get several ft of free surgical tubing.
Nice tip! Thanks
You can get air assist for $80 if you look.
Very temped to buy the ATEZR.... Great video and awesome testing... I need to go talk with the wife about this for valentines days... great "gift" idea...
Go for it!
I’m sure she’ll love it!!
Had you posted this a business day earlier, you might have caught me before my purchase of the xtool d1 pro (and many accessories, including the infrared for metals) last Friday. I would have gladly purchased through your affiliate link
No problem! Have fun with the laser
Very well done! Informative and clever humor made me wish the video was longer (I've never said that about a video before ) I'll give you 5 out of 5 Death Stars.
Ooooooo!!! Thanks!
I am still happy I DON'T live next door but I did enjoy this review except for the complete lack of software coverage. Yes, you did mention light burn and proprietary stuff with the Xtool but not what came with the Atezr. I would think that you do need to go over that part of the laser performance at some point. I realize its all new to you and you need time to use them both. I do like the air assist and overall design/construction of the Atezr but not its laser head. I don't like the air assist of the Xtool but am impressed with the software and the laser head. What I see as weaknesses in the Atezr is the visibility with the head and the extreme difficulty to clean the lens/head and glaring lack of software creativity and availability BUT the engineering design coverage is supreme. Sooooo. That leaves the real decision to the software. The Xtool engineering and build quality falls way short of the Atezr but immediate usability outshines the Atezr by miles. Back to you Mr Fisher. Draw it out Drew.
Well, I left software out of it because 99% of laser users just use Lightburn which is a completely different thing and doesn't really fall into the scope of this machine to machine comparison. The xTool has that Creative Space program, but it's pretty lame, to be honest.
Brilliant grading system 😂 Thanks for the video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. The only thing I wish it was added was how easy it was to use both of these with Lightburn software.
They're both pretty much identical in LB. For the xTool you'll have to configure the offset if you want to use the crosshairs for alignment. Plus, it homes to the back-left corner instead of the front-left like the ATEZR. Other than that, they're the same.
Hey Drew! Great video. I've been looking at the X Tool, a few other brands, and the Atezr you reviewed gave me something to think about for sure. I know your shop is in your basement (as is mine). Can you comment on fume extraction/air assist/safety with these diode lasers? Thanks!
Yeah, I run them in my garage because of the smoke. I did a couple of real quick jobs in the shop so I could film it with better light, but it didn't take long to smoke up the place.
@@FishersShop I understand that. Thanks for the insight. I hope your neighbor doesn’t steal your machines as revenge for all the times you’ve taken plywood, walnut, and other necessary materials for projects from his house while he wasn’t home. 😂
At first I thought: oh no Drew is doing a straight review video. I should have known better😁 thanks for the chuckle😄👍
My goal is to never get a review request again. lol
Do you think you could use the ATEZR air assist on the xTool machine?
Of course.
18:14 - best (scientifically valid) test result chart ever! 😆
Nice one Drew! Both are great machines. Curious which one will end up in your shop!
Both as of now! I still can't decide which one I like more
Great video. I am curious why you chose these two systems? There are others out there. Do you think these two are the best for this price point? Thanks
Yes, absolutely
I give this review 2 Richard Dean Andersons and 1 Bob Ross. Good to see some comparisons of these laser engravers, thanks!
My pleasure! Glad you liked it
I am still deciding I been looking at xtools and atomstack. I have a question on laser head are they compatiable with other companies or only work on their brand of machine. So just curious.
They’re all proprietary to their own designs.
I will probably never buy a laser (well, never say never) but its unlikely in the near future. but i still watched and thoroughly enjoyed this video. loved the scoring system and the honesty about the pros and cons. Thanks for entertaining me for free for 21minutes and 30 seconds.
Glad you liked it, Andrew! Thanks
Great comparison:)
Thanks, Chad
Excellent comparison of the two. I appreciate how you abandoned both the metric and the imperial system in favor of the Fisher system. Much more intuitive.
These units both look great. I have a much cheaper, 5w, system for making wooden signs and other doo dads that I sell at my camp store. These things have certainly come a long way and they keep getting easier to use.
Just don’t shoot your eye out!😵
Thanks Matthew! :)
Nice head to head comparison!
Thanks!
Your neighbor wants his laser engravers back 🤔🤣
Hey man. Love your podcast. Your voice reminds me of Arlo Guthrie, & when you were reviewing the manuals with the lasers, I was expecting to hear something like ‘27 8”x10” coloured glossy pictures, with circles ‘n arrows ‘n a paragraph on the back of each one”…
Hey, thanks!
I love y Xtool D1 Pro 20 watt but, if I needed another laser I'd buy the Roly Lasermatic 10.
How do they work on Gold and Silver?
thanks
No problem
Great video
Thanks!
Well, nobody can say that review / comparison wasn't very Fisher's Shop 😅 well done mate!
Thanks! 👍
How necessary is fume extraction? Specifically for a basement shop. And how would you accomplish that with these machines since there is no enclosure?
I run them in my garage
build an enclosure!
Should have went bigger with the logo on your neighbor's car, think FREE advertising!! Loved the video. Great comparison for someone considering either machines. Thanks for having a sense of humor and sharing it.
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Super awesome video Drew! Just some feedback for you, the video was entertaining and engaging but your thumbnail lacks in the grab my attention depot and it almost comes off looking like an ad, I would play around with that and see if that will bump your numbers up a bit on an amazing video that you spent quality time on.
Feel free to make me a new one then. :)
@@FishersShop haha I’ll think about it but I was just trying to give you feedback as a laser head against a laser head doesn’t pull the viewer in as new people to the hobby don’t even know what that looks like or what it is
I did enjoy (and laughed at) this video.
Now if you had engraved a flat head screw image onto a piece of walnut, I’d have given it a 5 bionic leg rating 😃
Good work, thank you!
Shoulda done that. :)
With connecting your device to the wifi, I quite often have issues connecting smart devices to the wifi. The trick I found was to disable the high band wifi before connecting. In the UK (not sure if it is the same in the USA) our wifi routers use 2 frequencies. 2ghz and 5ghz. Most smart devices (Amazon echos, ring doorbells, lights, etc) prefer the 2ghz. But the 5ghz confuses them. So I log into the router, disable 5ghz, connect the device as per device instructions, then restart the 5ghz. If American wifi routers are similar, then maybe try that?
Yeah, I was only using 2ghz. Not sure what the issue was
You had me at spreadsheet
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what is the thickest piece of material it will cut threw
All depends how many passes you take. I was doing 1/4" material in a single pass. I could do 3/4" material with multiple passes.
I wish you covered what type of computer is need? Will they both run off Apple or PC? 21:31
Look up Lightburn and it's requirements. Pretty sure you can use whatever
@@FishersShop will do, thanks
Is there an advantage to these vs getting a laser for your CNC machine?
Yeah... I can put these in my garage so I don't smoke up the house.
Seeing as I have zero problem recommending you spend more money, thoughts about looking at the Ortur?
I’ve had three Ortur lasers. These two are better for many reasons.
Was NOT expecting a Congo reference. Well done 😝
Haha, thanks
On a usefulness scale of flathead screws to woodpecker tools, I found this video to be entertaining and informative so I'll rank it at a pockethole jig. 🤓👍And your neighbors will be showing your logo to everyone he knows! Maybe even the police will like it!
Glad you liked it. :)
Nice video as always. Only one thing bothers me, laser engravers should not be operated without proper ventilation or fume extraction, the vapors produced during the engraving process are harmful to health
Yup, they're smokey. Mine run out in the garage.
A few things to keep in mind with these open frame laser cutters:
1) There is NOTHING for fume extraction. Whenever you're cutting or engraving, you're burning the material, and releasing whatever vapors straight into your workshop.
2) Be wary of what materials you're using, some materials, such as PVC, Formaldehyde-bonded fiberboards, etc., should never be laser cut or engraved, as they release toxic gasses when burned. Always use the machine in a well ventilated area.
3) While they claim to have flame detection, they should never be left unattended.
4) Children and pets should never be around while the machine is in use.
5) Those lasers emit a fair amount of ultraviolet radiation. They should never be operated without proper laser eye protection. That little shroud doesn't do much.
I'm very skeptical of open frame laser cutters. They just seem way too dangerous. I would very much rather use an enclosed one, even though they tend to be more expensive.
I just saw a vid of a guy trying to cut a thick piece of wood. I caught on fire. Melted the laser shield, and he was there.
Any ill tempered sea bass?
Heads up Fisher, I teach a lasercutting class and depending on your model you probably shouldn't put metal on it. Not only do some metals have coatings that shouldn't be heated health-wise, but the metal itself is reflective so it actually bounces the laser back at it's own lens which increases heat and potentially damaging it (mirror is the same).
Also many plastics release harmful chemicals that can give you cancer when they're heated up. Hopefully you've already done this--but always research first before cutting!
If you have a video on how to etch glass with both machines, or if you plan on doing a video etching glass it will be greatly appreciated.
Don't hold your breath. I won't be doing any more laser reviews
There are a bunch out there. There are like 10 different methods. Some are very time consuming, and messy, a couple not so much.
Someone’s getting free tools! All about that action boss. Combined with the endless supply of free lumber from your neighbor…I’m a fan of this business model.
Hard work paying off. :)
@@FishersShop love ya bro. Deserve everything coming your way coz you hustle like no one else. Nothing but love for ya.
What's the purpose of the air assist?
Blows away the particulate as the laser is vaporizing the wood. Leaves a cleaner cut and almost eliminates all the smoke staining on the surface
Just a heads up, I only knew about this video from listening to today's podcast episode where you mention it not getting views. I am subscribed and have notifications on, but I never got a notification about this video. Perhaps Mr algorithm is swaying your numbers. 🤷♂️
Strange. Yeah, this one fell flat on its face. That could be the reason I guess.
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This review was Alllright Allllright Allllrigh! :)
Hey, thanks!
The review is much better than the actual machines. With the cost exceeding $1k... you should look into a co2 laser.
CO2 lasers are multi-thousand dollar machines. I like the portability and the compactness of a diode for the time being.
@@FishersShop and the nightmare mirror alignment
Excellent comparison, ummmm, how do they work on wood? .
In all seriousness though, thank you for another entertaining video :)
Thanks for watching
The actual review items were excellent. Your spreadsheet items were not. I agree with a previous commenter that numerical values would have been more appropriate. Generally I appreciate your humor but in that case not. I think if I were in the market for a laser engraver, which I am not, I would find it difficult in making a choice between these two machines. thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.😀😀
I wasn't interested in using a numerical system that would would still only show MY opinion and would ultimately show bias towards a single machine. I'd rather just show you each one and let you decide for yourself.
I've seen xTool and the other [ATEZR] is new to me
Ngl I'm tempted to just buy both so I have have a back up 🤣
I am now convinced that anyone who isn't doing their tool ratings with completely meaingless 80s references is doing it wrong. Great way to keep either company from being mad at you...or maybe making both of them mad at you. Now I just wish I knew whether the Ortur was a PeeWee Herman or a Pauly Shore when compared to the Arnold or Matthew of these two. :D
Haha, definitely a PeeWee Herman
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How many flat heads to a McConaughey?
But on a scale of Snarf to Cringer, which machine stores more easily
Drew, I really wish you had covered which of these frickin laser beams has the portability, power, and water-resistance I need to attach them to sharks’ frickin heads!
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It took great restraint not to just jump to the outtakes. Drew + lasers! I was expecting smoke and holes in your workbench. The reviews were great but you need to up your screwup game a bit. 😊
There were plenty of screwups but the camera just wasn't running. :)
I give your scientific analysis a Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park out of five: memorable one-liners and very sexy in an unbuttoned shirt. No homo, just facts.
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You forgot the two most important aspects of laser cutters. _Enclosure and fume extraction._ Both systems lack all of aforementioned. The cheap open frame Lasers are in no way safe to use! Just think about it, you're burning material to fine dust particles. What does these particles do to you and your surrounding? You don't want to get them into your respiratory system.
Laserlight is dangerous even reflected from surfaces and from a far. You need special glasses to be safe from it. Often are the glasses added to the kits not even suited for the wave length. You think you are safe with using them but you aren't.
LOL. Power switch...😇
Don't know where else to say this but did you know, J-fred from team edge is a fan?
I don't know who that is.... but cool. :)