Another Star Trek Series Cancelled!!! Is The Franchise In Decline Or Ready For Rebirth?!?!
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- čas přidán 16. 04. 2024
- Hey Everyone and Welcome to What Did I Miss, where today I will be sharing some good news and some bad for Star Trek fans, after Paramount revealed the fate of both Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. It is crazy to think that just two years ago, there were five new series being produced by Paramount for the franchise, with the studio also teasing a new movie with a release date. Flash forward two years and fans have yet to see any new films from the studio and now only one of those five series will be producing content after this year. So I am going to go over this news but also take a look at the state of the franchise and decide if maybe Star Trek’s best days are behind them.
#startrekstrangenewworlds #startreklowerdecks #startreknews - Krátké a kreslené filmy
I love how the show we asked for is doing well, maybe they should take a hint and do it again with legacies instead of continuing to ignore the fan base and make something no one asked for.
I’m glad Strange New Worlds is being continued. Great!
Strange New Worlds is great! Glad to see it continue!
Discover, Lower Decks and Picard have run their course. Strange New Worlds will give us 3 more season or more I hope.
Strange New Worlds is definitely the best Trek we've had in many, many years. Very glad to hear it's going to continue.
Same here if one show survives it should be that
Worst butchering of Star Trek
@@Linda-oi4pj Worst commenter on this site
The only thing I don't like about SNW is the casting of Kirk. I know that nobody will ever replace Shatner but the actor is nowhere alpha enough to play Kirk.
@@dilatedbeholder3865 Since it's still just Kirk in development maybe he doesn't have to be so alpha right now but then again I haven't seen it. I just bought it because it was the only current Trek show that was highly recommended and is in 4K. As for what Discovery did with The Spock character, can you say CRINGE?
Strange new worlds is fantastic love. The series and the actors that play the parts very good work
"Seasons" that some shows these days keep as short as only 6 episodes a year. We need shows with writing good enough that we start getting shows with 20 episodes a season.
None of today’s actors or production staff could work as hard as their counterparts from 20+ years ago. When TNG was on the air they were shooting for 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.
It's too expensive.
Shows have made it standard to expect "Movie Quality" episodes.
Any show not set in a city today will therefore be immensely expensive to produce, and syndication has become impossible due to exclusive streaming platforms, hence the low amount of episodes.
@@Emanon... that’s a really good point about syndication, I had to consider that.
Sadly that will probably never happen, it takes money to produce the shows, the more episodes made the more money it costs
Impossible nowadays. But we could still get something about 13 or 15 at least😊
I love Star Trek, but the franchise was over-saturated.
I'm very glad, however, that Strange New Worlds will continue on.
Pay to view model is not helping expand the base viewership.
That's a good point. Where millions watched Star Trek on TV in the 90's, on streaming, it's probably thousands. I'm guessing of course, but if viewership was in higher numbers, Paramount probably wouldn't be in the financial spot that it's in.
Strange New Worlds is surprisingly good. It's one of the best Star Trek spinoffs I've seen
They lost me with the Gorn episode which was clearly an Aliens ripoff. I guess they figured noone younger than genX had seen those movies? 🤦♂
ST/SNW is the ONLY franchise product worth watching. I pray this continues.
Ah that sucks. It's not like Lower Decks was expensive to make.
If the show's not expensive to make, then the next logical possibility is that the viewership numbers must be so low they can't justify another season.
@@geekinitwithjimclassic8240 Or that they're simply prioritizing other projects or cutting down on producing original content in general. Or that some executive takes personal issue with the content of the show or the people making it. Or that someone was going to leave the project and they weighed replacing them against canceling the show and decided on the latter.
It should be also noted that the success of cartoons is often measured in large part by merch sales. A cartoon that sells a lot of toys and T-shirts (or is expected to) is likely to be prioritized over one that doesn't. I don't know how well Lower Decks is doing on that front, but it might be a factor.
Another thing to note is that there are rumors of Viacom putting Paramount up for sale and/or Paramount+ potentially merging with another streamer. If true, that seems to suggest it's a time of change, and during times of change, all sorts of seemingly odd decisions are made. There could for one thing be rights issues arising if Paramount separates from CBS, or if Viacom sells Star Trek off separately (or separates it with the intent *not* to sell it). Ending shows could be a move to make things less complicated ahead of reshuffling or selling things.
Why is paramount so nonsupportive of star trek????
As for the haters of discovery..well you have your right to an opinion, but opinions are not facts! Discovery helped bring stsnw...so HAH!
@micharlsantos3348 It's probably up to the size of the audience to help make those decisions for Paramount. If there's not enough eyeballs watching a show, it's going to get canceled.
Discovery is and was an insult to the franchise. Argument of the same can be made for the other cancelled you mentioned. Best hope SNW grows strong. As for your comment "there is a lot of stories to be told in this universe" WHICH ONE!! You want to know why the franchise is showing fatigue? Its because the canon is no longer strong.
The best Star Trek series to ever get cancelled was Enterprise and the way it ended was absolutely terrible.
The recent cancellations of the current ST shows is a possible indicator that they've finally realized that anything related to JJ Abrams and/or Alex Kurtzmann has been a monumental hot mess from the beginning and that they might be finally positioning themselves to clean house and start over with better foundations. I'd love to see all the current shows come to an end, let the franchise cool off completely for a few years, then have an entirely new crop of showrunners brought in who actually care about the franchise and get back to creating ST worth watching again.
Yes! For starters, they should ask, "do you think Star Trek is STUPID? Yes? Then we don't want you on the project." If the show-runner gets past that, the next question should be, "do you think Star Fleet should be portrayed as a bunch of Nazi Pigs in Space?" That would eliminate people like those responsible for Lower Decks, Discovery, and Section 31.
@@scorptrio8231 Strange New Worlds is a great series.
Except he's the EP on the next three shows. Picard S3 demonstrated that just as long as Kurtzman only develops the show and stays the [flippin' heck] out of the writers' room we should be fine.
The cheerleaders for the JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman era stuff certainly are not buying merchandise from those movies and shows. Of the Eaglemoss ships that Master Replicas and Real Merch are selling both companies seem to have a harder time moving the Abrams and Kurtzman versions, I don't think I've ever seen a batch of Discovery, STD Enterprise, or Abram's Enterprises actually sell out.
@@scorptrio8231 Dude, Star fleet have been douches since The Original Series. Look at the ambassador in A Taste of Armageddon, the Undersecretary Barris in Trouble With Tribbles, the Commodore Decker in Doomsday Machine, all the brass in Court Martial, the Admiral in Amok Time. Not to mention all the douches in TNG.
But suddenly we don’t want to see douches running Star Fleet. I am constantly befuddled by people who claim the new shows are too ‘woke’ when TOS was the most woke show in the history of network television! They did episodes on racism (Let That Be Your Last Battlefield), overpopulation (Mark of Gideon), endless anti-war episodes. And no one now gets how revolutionary having Uhura on the bridge every week was! They would constantly get letters from the 60s version of anti-woke people writing “I love your show, if it weren’t for that woman!” Uhura changed America as we knew it, getting male and female African-Americans into the space programs, the sciences, just as these new shows will hopefully also leave their positive mark.
I'm a huge fan of Star Trek but I wonder what happened to any New Sci-Fi ideas, or creators? Always a rehash, a remake like Dukes of Hazard 3, or Rocky 5000.. Where is anything new? We've lost all creative thinkers.
Star Trek needs to sign on True Star Trek Faithful like Terry Matalas. The Wealth of Star Trek stories, characters and material could be translated into wonderful movies and cable / TV series. Star Trek Strange New Worlds is the best of Star Trek in the current era. Not having William Shatner do a cameo in any of the recent Star Trek incarnations is an abomination!
I would love to see a Star Trek Excalibur series with Joe Flanagan of Stargate Atlantis fame as Capt. Mackenzie Calhoun and Cmdr Shelby warping through the galaxy. Star Trek is not a trend it is a frame of mind that the world / galaxy can be a better place if we think positively and work together for the betterment of all peoples.
" Not having William Shatner do a cameo in any of the recent Star Trek incarnations is an abomination!" strong disagreement with that. getting that Diva envolved again would have been a misstake
Star Trek is all about a hope for a better future for humanity. So, as long as there is a hope for a better future (which will there will always be), there will always be Star Trek.
I have to say, I had no interest in this series because of its ties to ST:D.
I would have watched a 3 season series based on Axanar. I would have paid good money to a streaming service to do so if I had to.
I spent literally thousands of dollars on Star Wars and on Star Trek over four decades. It took hard work to kill my interest in both franchises but they managed it.
you are far far far from alone on that.
Lower decks is a good show, and the Orville is fun.
Hoo-ray! Ansom Mount is Capt Pikard. He was born to play this role. This is my favorite Star Trek show. I am a bit sad that Lower Decks was cancelled, because it is my second favorite show.
Captain Pike, not 'Pikard.'
Anson, not Ansom.
I do agree that Strange New Worlds is an incredible series! 🙌
It's not a franchise in decline. It's a studios streaming service cutting costs.
I am very happy with Strange New Worlds!
Strange New World is the only ST that deserves to continue.
Absolutely agree. No more singing episodes. Ever. Never. On pain of death.
And Lower Decks IMO, though I’ve not seen the latest series yet so do not know if it was good.
@@Temeraire101 This one is debatable for me. I understand why peeps would like it, but it feels off to me.
I hope and pray that ALL future seasons of STAR TREK:STRANGE NEW WORLDS, will come out on dvd......PLEASE!!!!!
dvd? That's so 2002 xD
I like the idea of it being cyclical. People need to realize that, like the Star Wars universe, we have had a whole lot of Star Trek in one form and/or another for quite some time now. I was a fan of TOS in the 70s. Then we got the film franchise, then TNG in the 80s. Then DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise along with more films and a new timeline. Plus, some really excellent fan productions. I've enjoyed it all. We can debate about which series, movie, character etc. is better or worse, or we can all revel in the fact that we have been blessed with so much content. Beam me up!
P.S. edited to add that while I did not acknowledge the newest series, it is because I have not watched them other than SNW season 1 (which was phenomenal). But I will not pay for yet another streaming service at the moment.
The only reason I have Paramount + is for new and upcoming Star Trek content. To me it's worth it!!!
As someone new to this fandom, I really want to address my experience of the online space.
I know some fandoms can be "toxic," but it genuinely surprises me how much negativity I find in this fandom in the comments sections.
Surely, most Star Trek fans are not this unhappy with modern Star Trek. After all, half of all Paramount+ subscribers watch at least one new Star Trek show, and that whole streaming service would be nothing without Star Trek.
Compared to most modern franchises, I really admire Star Trek's restraint in not greenlighting loads of half-baked content. The people involved have addressed over-saturation and seem to be conscious of that. Look at Marvel as an example of a franchise that bit off more than it could chew.
So I struggle to see why this franchise is in danger. It seems to be really thriving right now and making all sorts of new content without overdoing it like Star Wars and Marvel. Those franchises seem to be in a much worse state than Star Trek.
For any streaming show in the current landscape to last five seasons is actually a real rarity. So the fact that we have five seasons of Lower Decks and Discovery is great, and ending them now to make way for more Strange New Worlds, Academy, and TV movies should be a really exciting prospect for the future of the franchise.
The thing about Academy that some people need to realize is that Star Trek needs to have a series that younger viewers can get into because the existing fan base is aging. The series needs to pull in younger viewers for its longevity. I think it’s a unique and engaging concept. From what I understand, everyone thought Deep Space 9 was a crazy idea before it aired, but it moved the franchise forward and made way for new ideas and new storytelling in the universe.
The constant hate on Discovery is really unwarranted, in my opinion. That show wouldn't have lasted five seasons if people weren't watching. It’s the series that pulled me into the universe. I found it to be engaging, and it inspired me to check out the older stuff too. I’m glad it tried to be a bit different and wasn’t a copy of what came before. This is a huge universe, and there’s room for all kinds of stories.
Good to know that SNW still has a future!
The "Tales of The Federation' concept could very well have been among the best new series in a long time.
Tragic waste of an idea.
Star Trek Strange New Worlds is BY FAR the best Trek to come out since Voyager, THANK GOD it is continuing
Lower decks is great and the Orville is basically trek.
The only argument which has never been valid is that "Star Trek is too woke".
Star Trek has been the definition of woke since TOS before it was even a concept.
Not everything woke is bad. Not everything bad is woke.
Star Trek's best days have been behind it since Voyager wrapped, though Enterprise is Shakespeare compared to what we've had since 2009.
At the time it was generally accepted that Enterprise was not the best Star Trek series. If we only knew 20 years later we'd be having to consider the likes of Enterprise a masterpiece in comparison to what's been released recently.
OH YEAH, you are so right. Enterprise was pretty weak when it was on, but now it feels wonderful compared to this grave robbing garbage that NuTrek is. Enterprise still had the original Roddenberry secret sauce that is totally absent in STD (like the disease to avoid at all cost), Picard🤮 and Lower Decks... These people are totally clueless what Star Trek really is, they are exploiting the name, because they know that nobody would watch their garbage without it. Disney has done the exact same for Star Wars and now murdered the franchise totally.
absolutely voyager ended the series!
⁶@@josephstrickland830
Alex Kurtzmann is The Infamous KK from Starwars.....
it is sad but very true..
Yup, ironically he had the most direct influence on Lower Decks which I think was fine if only because that was the only one of the shows that was supposed to be intentional self parody.
Infamous KK from Star Wars? I don't understand the reference.
@@pike100 Kathleen Kennedy (KK) was George Lucas' hand picked replacement running Lucasfilm even before the sale to Disney. According to common knowledge she was even protected by a no-fire clause to ensure she could go on "protecting his legacy" when it appears she was a malignant narcissist who sucked up to him until he gave her the keys AND made it all but impossible for Disney to fire her. At which point she started systematically trying to take over and totally change everything she could.
@@pike100 Kathleen Kennedy is who is being referenced here. She famously said that she had no source material with which to create new Star Wars content, so she rewrote many of the premises for the Star Wars mythos. She also told us the reason the new Star Wars content was failing in the marketplace was because of the fans, not the content.
I'd prefer that Amazon produce the final three books in "The Expanse."
They are waiting for the actors to age first before they get into that. 😉
@@mercuryredstone2235 The last I heard, Wes Chatham hasn't read the last three books and doesn't know what happens to his character!
Just read them, they would be difficult to make as a series, either all the actors have to be replaced with actors 30 years older or significant make up/aging techniques would have to be used for the current actors.
@@drbuckley1 He is in for a surprise if he reads the books.
@@DavidBourne-bu3xh Or they could just not do too much to age the actors like For All Mankind.
Thanks for the update
Paramount is being sold to whomever will either continue the Star Trek saga or close it out. Making some of the series end will make the sale easier while allowing the option for new series, movies, or both. Going to 2 ongoing series while waiting for the sale is cost effective.
Lets boldly go where no one has gone before!!
The only "proper sendoff" for STD would have been a formal apology to Star Trek fans for having ruined the franchise along with a solemn pledge to have all mention of it scrubbed from cannon.
Not going to miss Discovery but dang, cancelling Lower Decks too! That sucks.
I'm actually watching discovery for the first time since it came out. I came out on the bandwagon of hating it but seeing it now I don't hate it. I think the characters though are a lot less developed then TNG or Voyager. Everything is too flashy and loud and doesn't allow for quiet stuff like staff playing poker. I know TNG is a different era of writing tv shows but I really loved those moments where they play poker and chat. These days writing episode you can't have these moments.
Lower decks sucks good bye, I'm happy to see it go. Discovery was the best one IMHO
@@Liamshavingfun i think Discovery will end up like DS9 and Enterprise. Under appreciated or disliked at the time but years later will be remembered fondly when compared to new shows that the hardcore will inevitably complain about.
@ratedtriplex I don't know why the dislike for discovery. Is it because it's more scientific based, has a time element (they can go forward in time), black female captain?⁉️
@@Liamshavingfun well the big thing was the change to the klingon's appearance. Quickest way to anger the hardcore is to make a change like that.
Luckily for me I'm not a hardcore fan and could get past the change and enjoy the show.
I think Picard season 3 was some of the best Star Trek ever. I like Strange New Worlds a little better than Discovery, but I feel Discovery may be more important than both because it ushered in a new era of Star Trek on tv. I'm excited for the Section 31 movie and can't wait to see what replaces Discovery. RIP Lower Decks.
Star Trek, the original series was always popular. The reason it was canceled is because it started getting too expensive. It was going to be canceled after the second season. The fans demanded that it went on. Seeing that it was going to get even more expensive, the budget was reduced drastically. That is when the ratings started to dip and that was their justification to cancel the series. The slashing the budget they sabotaged the third season to have an excuse to cancel it. The original series continued in animated form and made its biggest success in syndication then, of course subsequent films and follow up series and all of the merchandise. Almost 60 years of success. The original series was always and still is popular.
It's no great loss for me having 'Lower Decks" being cancelled. I couldn't finish the 1st episode before switching it OFF.
You have badtaste thats why.
So glad it was lower decks.
Star Trek has been a 'franchise in decline' ever since "Enterprise" was cancelled. New Trek has generally been horrendously bad, with a few exceptions where it's reached schmalz and mediocrity. The sooner the current creators (Kurtzmann and JJ Abrams) are out of this business the better.
Enterprise was better than many gave it credit for (or even gave it a chance). Cld Ent hv bn better? Yes, but we can say that abt any other ST series. I really liked Enterprise. That said, the Series Finale was terrible. The cast & crew deserved much better from the writers.
@@user-kj5iu8bs1pyea I really liked Enterprise too and thought it didn’t deserve all the criticism it got. It was about exploration and discovery amd Scott Bakula was a great captain.
I'm pretty sure kurtzman trek will be remembered as the dark age of Trek. Hopefully with these shows getting canceled, they'll be able to get a qualified showrunner to eventually give us a worthy Star Trek series.
The rebooted 1st movie with Chris Pine was very good. It was done with style and the cast had real charisma. They ruined it with two mediocre sequels
@@carolinehirst4921yeah, I dunno, I kinda don't like any of the recastings.... I think they should just make new characters. The cry-baby Spock in the Kurtzmann stuff is a good case in point. A 'the Kelvin Universe'? Look, if you don't want to make proper Star Trek, just come up with your own sci-fi - oh yeah, right, they can't.
I just found your channel, I just want to chime in by saying, I think Star Trek still could be heading for great things, I really do hope they develop a Star trek legacies to continue on from Picard, season 3 of Picard hit all the great feels of course some of it was nostalgia but it was still a really good season. Glad to hear Strange new worlds is continuing too I love the cast and they work well together.
This just confirms my impeccable taste and my refined taste that has developed over the years and my ability to be able to see winners from losers as SNW is the only one i watch still and i have given the others a fair chance. Though lower decks was pretty good starting out a cartoon depiction of that caliber i could not see lasting. Strangely i have still not watched any Picard
Sometimes you gotta prune away dead limbs so new growth can flourish. Trek is alive and well. Strange New Worlds is all I need right now. Please for the love of all that is sacred, never reboot TNG!
I am thrilled to hear SNW is being renewed. It's the best Star Trek we've had in a long time. ::: For years, I have said there should be non-Starfleet shows set in the Star Trek franchise. Let's see a medical drama, a cop drama, a legal drama, a sitcom, etc. Starfleet could interface with the individual shows; kind of like how Captain Morgan Bateson and the crew of the USS Bozeman were part of a TNG episode. Let's see some tried and true formats set within the Star Trek franchise. If they're done right, they could be dy-no-mite!
My thoughts are this. When next gen, DS9, and Voyager was on it was all set in roughly the same timeline. The first problem is instead of Discovery being set a few decades later say in the 25th century it was set in the 23rd century. Then they travel to the 32nd century. Then Strange New Worlds premiers and they are in the 23rd century. This flip flopping timeline is the first problem. The second problem is the way the 23rd century technology is shown. It's too high tech looking. Not saying that some of our real world technology couldn't be applied to represent 23rd century tech but most of it is just too high tech looking. It should have looked more like a cross between the original series with just a small dash of early next gen series design thrown in. In the Enterprise 2 part episode In A Mirror Darkly the way the 23rd Century Defiant was shown was excellent. Some of the original props, set designs and the Defiant itself was upgraded slightly to reflect our advances in real world early 2000's technology but not so much to make it look too high tech. I remember when Episode 1 of Discovery was shown. The Shenzhou was way too advanced looking inside and out. Then when the Enterprise interior was shown in the Discovery episode it was way overdone, cluttered and way too high tech looking. Now comes the aliens. Klingons weren't broke so why did they have to change them? I can understand no hair because they still had traces of the modified augment DNA in their bodies but why did the heads have to be so big? Don't even get me started on the way they pronounced Kahless, Kahlesh??? WTF? Paramount/CBS this is why Trek is broken.The Picard series was a trainwreck. Season 1 was just barely ok, but after that it when downhill fast. Don't even try and have a Star Trek 4 movie. Scrap Discovery, Strange New Worlds and the Kelvin timeline movies. Make a series set in the early 25th century say starting in 2420 and only have one series at a time and no more cartoon trek and short treks. An occasional flashback episode is ok but no more flip flopping back and forth between multiple series. One of your biggest mistakes after Enterprise was cancelled was not showing a series about the Earth Romulan war. That would have been great.
Quantity over quality is always a tragedy. Miss real Star Trek in the vein of TOS and McFarlane’s homage. Brave New World’s is pretty nifty as well. 😘
*Strange New Worlds
Lower Decks is the only current series that gets better with every rewatch. Even the first season which I struggled with I now appreciate and have watched all episodes at least 3 times. Ok, except the bird episode S03E07. Love all the characters, the story arcs and because of that, love the ship. I’m glad SNW gets 2 more seasons but I want Lower Decks!
Discovery is good, with good actors, but I didn't know just how bad it was until Strange New Worlds came out. It's hard to watch the current, and last, season of Discovery.
I like the new stuff. People have been saying Discovery was gonna be cancelled after season 1. My biggest complaints is that they focused it too much on one character, and the whole adoptive sister to Spock. Could've created a whole new Vulcan character for that purpose. They're just following a trend that a lot of streaming services have doing for years. Create new shows some original some, based on known properties. Then either they conclude them properly or they abandon them completely, The Tick for example. Plus I assume actors today don't want to be tied down for a 20 + episode commitment due to the fact they want to pursue other projects.
Great - As long as there are no more cross-overs, musicals and Klingon Boy Bands.
no more origin things please. sick of the retconning. star trek is about the future. please focus on that
I want to see something take place after the Dominion War where they are rebuilding the Federation and exploring. There is a lot of uncharted space on the far side of Cardassia to where the Alpha and Gamma quadrants border.
yes! great plan.
And no more secret siblings of Spock thank you very much. I never cared for Syboc and it just seemed idiotically lazy to me to assume Sarek is the only Vulcan who could end up raising a human child on Vulcan. It's totally believable to me that such a child would basically have to know Spock, they'd be in the same Special Ed class for logic after all, but enough of these siblings please.
@@Fix_Bayonets And the Beta Quadrant behind the Romulan Empire with or without the gawdawful timeline from Picard.
@johnassal5838 what about a generational ship on a 70 year mission that maps a path to the Delta quadrant to establish transwarp corridors to circum navigate the galaxy.
CBS/Paramount destroyed Star Trek with the last two seasons of Star Trek Discovery. What made Star Trek great back in 1967, was it show mankind with a future. A future with no racism, no sexism and no capitalism. CBS and Paramount brought racism into Star Trek as well as politics. Having Stacey Abrams as a Starfleet Admiral was stupid. Shame on you.
TOTALLY agree.
We need more Orville too!
I'll take one Orville over all of these craps.
@@jakesmith5278 almost agree with you.....except SNW! Pike is wonderful and, the stories are well told. 🙂 very much like Orville!
How about ...
_Galaxy Quest,_ the series?
@@jabberwocky1707 OOH! Excellent choice. 😂
@@johngardiner5206
Surely _someone_ has done a parody crossover of the two?
- 'Star Quest' or 'Galaxy Trek' maybe? 😉
- at least as a short story, Star Trek and Star _Wars_ has been done
One of the advantages of animated series is that they can be taken back up almost any time. Just look at Futurama.
The writting was on the wall when Star Trek Enterprise was announced 20 years ago. I will continue to watch Star Trek that was made before the year 2000.
TRUE (REAL) Star Trek died after "Star Trek: Enterprise" ended back in 2005 with the one and ONLY exception being Season 3 of "Picard."
Responding to the title of this video... Star Trek is not in a place for a "rebirth." It would have to end again for that. It's already had technically 4 rebirths, TMP, TNG, JJ Movies, Discovery.
Don't get me wrong, I think they should have at least had Lower Decks and Prodigy should have gone to the 7th season Trek standard. However, with Strange New Worlds running strong, and multiple Star Trek projects in production; everything is going strong in Trek in general. I really think that if they reveal Legacy happening, it will be after Discovery is over. I mean, after all, they'd easily be able to repurpose and redress the Discovery sets (hopefully extensively), reducing costs considerably.
The biggest issue Trek has is fatigue. There was too many shows at once distracting everyone. I mean, STW, Discovery, Prodigy, Picard, and Lower Decks all on at the same time was unprecedented. Too many to watch at the same time in this current time in our society. Personally, I think DS9 and VOY plus TNG movies proved that having two Trek shows on at the same time plus a singular cinema Trek movie franchise going on as well, was the perfect formula (the quality of some of those films not withstanding).
Stat Trek has always had this hit or miss pattern, from movies and TV. In movies it was known that the odd numbers were a miss and the even were a hit.
Yep, agreed on cyclical. I'm not TOO concerned like I was after Enterprise was considered a failure and was thought of maybe the end for TV Star trek series. Paramount Plus was really an important driver of getting Star Trek back on TV form.
The problem is now the "golden age" of companies doubling-down on streaming is ending and now companies are going to be more frugal with spending. The core truth is that Paramount knows that each additional Star Trek series doesn't really bring in new viewers. So, I think what their plan is to have ONE Star Trek series going at a time that is basically what they think is their most widely liked one and allow the others to finish. That explains why both cartoons have/will end and Discovery (which was more divisive) ends. They'll keep Strange New Worlds as the one and only until it's natural conclusion and then have the next ready to promote. Their goal will be to keep the loyal Star Trek subscribers while keeping costs to a minimum.
ten episodes are not enough. At least 15 to 20 are needed to shorten the time between seasons, all streaming platforms are making the same mistake. I am a die-hard Star Trek fan. I forget where it is streaming and when. Out of sight out of mind. When they end at 8 or 10 I have to sift to a different show or just find something else to do.
The studio did state in a prior conference that they had to drop another series in order for them to bring on Star Trek Legacy. This could be the answer.
I'm bummed about this. I really enjoyed Lower Decks and Prodigy. I hope Strange New Worlds isn't next. Well at least Netflix picked up Prodigy. I hope someone would pick up Lower Decks or SNW if it gets cancelled.
That aside there are two shows I would like to see. I wouldn't mind seeing a show that takes place during the TOS movie era. The second idea is, I know a lot of people want to see Star Trek: Legacy but I would rather see a completely new ship and crew and would rather have cameos and guest spots in certain episodes.
I'm sorry to hear Lower Decks won't continue, but you have a point that five seasons isn't a bad run. I'm honestly surprised STD lasted this long. The first season was terrible, and I just quit watching it after the first two episodes of the second season. SNW had a good first season but stumbled a bit on the second season. If they can recover from that it will hopefully be worth watching next season.
The major problems I saw from the Kurtzman led Star Trek series ( aside from the atrocious writing); is also due to using ideas that were rejected years ago. There's a reason why Discovery's ship design was rejected. It's also why the idea for Star Trek Academy was rejected. A bad idea is just a bad idea, no matter what decade it was thought up from. Reviving them and trying a new "spin" on a bad idea, is just, well, bad.
What's so bad about a design that can crash into solid ice at high speed, suffer no damage from its hull being crushed, and yet is COMPLETELY HOLLOW ON THE INSIDE?! It's absolute GENIUS to make a Starship hollow, because who would want to use the interior space in a ship for anything? We build Starships that big just so all the space inside can be wasted. How is it going to make a good airplane and submarine if it's a good starship?
Good writing and acting can make anything fun to watch.
Of course if the idea is astonishingly bad the talent has to be incandescent like The Producers/Springtime for Hitler or even Being There which if you think about it sounds like a direct to DVD release from a megachurch.
@@johnassal5838 My favorite guilty pleasure movie is; The Core. It's ridiculous, idiotic, but the cast is amazing.
Weirdly enough, Lower Decks felt like the most "Star Trek"-y show to me. It will be missed.
I've been around since the TOS first ran in syndication, no way it's over.
If we could just get a TV series set in the TMP cinematic universe that doesn't have anything to do with the Enterprise, that'd be pretty awesome.
As long as we don't see another series like Discovery or Enterprise, I'm happy. Canceling Lower Decks makes NO sense; animated shows usually have a longer shelf-life, and though SNW is fantastic, LD has SO much more potential (especially considering so close to the beloved TNG era, which really made long-time fans happy).
Going to miss Discovery and Lower Decks.
ST was stained when it allowed the JJ verse to happen, then they continued that stain with Discovery, them season 1/2 of Picard, and then those cartoon shows.......and have only recently managed to wipe some of that stain away with Picard S3 and STNV.
Strange new worlds is all we need.
Lower Decks has had a really good run and five seasons isn't bad in this era. Better for it to go out on a high than drop off.
The thing about Lower Decks is that it would be really easy to restart production. No sets to build/re-build, no costumes etc. It has to be the cheapest to produce between the 30 minute episodes and no sets, costumes etc., and the “VFX” are much cheaper 😜.
Another thing, how about a live action spinoff, set 10 years after LD, with Captain Boimler and his Number One Becket Mariner? It would be a comedy, but a more realistic tone than LD. Once again set on a California Class ship, doing the grunt work of the Federation. Maybe with Science Officer Tendi and Chief Engineer Rutherford…
Here’s a thing. Star Trek discovery kind of lost me. I didn’t really think it was that good. It couldn’t hold my attention very well. They were trying to be something more and I had a hard time putting my finger on it. A strange new worlds, this is good. This is really good. I wasn’t a big fan of the musical episode until the Klingon started singing. That was the funniest thing ever! And as of now my favorite was the lower decks crossover which I hope they do more of those. But I think people want more things like strange new worlds. Plus I wouldn’t mind an enterprise reboot.
Strange New Worlds is the best. Keep it going Paramount! 👏
TV shows like Trek are now very expensive to make. I recall a story that the late Richard Arnold once told me. He was at a con in the 80's with Dr Who actors. He was asked how much TNG cost per episode and about $1 million was the answer. The Dr Who cast looked surprised and one of them said 'Really?....we used to make an entire series for that!'. Also, one issue Trek has is over-saturation of TV markets - there can literally be too much of it doing the rounds. The original series is still screened on global TV somewhere....
The thing is movies like Godzilla minus one shows us that they could do it inexpensively and at high-quality. Special effects of gotten insanely cheap compared to what they used to cost.
You can't blame the actor's strike for delay of season 3 of SNW. That strike ended in November. And they're just making 10 episodes, it's not like a "real" series with 26 episodes per year. They were filming episode 7 when the strike hit. They should have wrapped filming long ago. Season 4 has already been approved. I NEED MY FIX!!!
One thing's for sure. We've seen absolutely, unequivocally what NOT to do from JJ/Kurzman for Star Trek to move forward.
They just built the largest set in Trek History for Academy
Strange New Worlds is what Trek is suppose to be...Episodic. One shot. No left over details.
Star Trek will outlive us all!
Discovery was mostly terrible,but improved once it went into the future. Lower decks is awful, as it only relies on constant references to other ST series,which isn't funny.Progidy I never watched as it seemed silly.Strange New world is great though as we finally get to see Pike and Spock's development, and more of Nurse Chappell.
Star Trek is a great series that needs to stop being ruined by Kurzman. Just pretend none of that happened and make a show set after VOY/DS9 and ignore PICARD and STD.
I'd much rather see a Star Trek series that is looking forward, not back in time. There are too many prequels out there in the universe already.
Star Wars Burnout explains it all. Yes, I love Star Wars but I know it's basically a YA space fantasy while Star Trek was designed for adults but they both have a problem with burnout from an audience perspective. Star Wars, even with it's toxic fan base (I'm one of them), released too many series/movies/collectibles trying to get as much $$$ out of the IP as possible but in the end it burned audiences out. Perhaps the Star Trek producers are trying to keep this from happening and if it's cyclical as you say, then this is a good way to do just that.
Strange New Worlds Outstanding.
Lower Deck Excellent. Ideally, Lower Deck would be realized as a live-action series.
Can’t imagine StarTrek being cancelled or phased out. I have really enjoyed Strange New Worlds & would like to see it continue. StarTrek Academy sounds interesting & promising, as well. Who knows what will happen because we all know too well it’s all about money & profit. I hope the best for all.
I think it is a good idea that the new series are not being viewed as long term. Picard and Discovery both took on storylines that have reached dead ends. Not a bad thing, they explored different ideas, and then reached a logical conclusion. Brave new worlds is a brilliant prequel to TOS, partially based and inspired by the first pilot episode. As such, it will probably also reach a conclusion and be 'cancelled', though I prefer to think it will just 'end' and be replaced by something else.
I think they need to step back and take a short break. SNW is cool but when are they going to have Pike's accident and replace him with Kirk? It's time to take a long look at what made DS9, TNG and Voyager so successful. I think they need to settle on a period probably not set before the Dominion War and start a new show with new characters. I would like to see a post Dominion war, post Battle of 001 Trek focus on rebuilding the Federation. Get back to Exploration and strengthening the Alpha quadrant after what was the most destructive era.
A television season need not correspond to an in-universe year. There can be many seasons of episodes squeezed into the years before Pike's accident. However, I suspect Paramount+ will submit SNW to the playlist churn after it's fifth season.
Pikes accident is years away and you seem to have misunderstood that the show is about Pike not Kirk - as for the rest please no.
@@veronicamaine3813Plus the new Kirk sucks.
I would love to see a post Dominion war Star Trek series!
Just because they have been been putting content out doesn't mean they have ever kept quality up. Personally with great respect for Ste were with exception of a few standalone episodes ONLY 3rd season has serious quality that had kept fans and indeed their kids coming back.
Please ensure 120 quality episodes of Strange New Worlds are produced before launching the new Star Trek series, where the Enterprise will be led by its next captain, Paul Wesley as James T. Kirk, for an additional 120 episodes.
Or hire James Cawley to be the next Captain Kirk. 😊 Cawley was excellent in the ST fan fiction series that he did!
SORRY TO SEE KOWER DECKS GO!
Really liked the crossover from animated to reality!
((ALSO SORRY TO SEE DISCOVERY GO-I REALLY LOVE THAT SHIP! AND SINCE THE FUTURE HASNT HAPPENED YET THERES NO PAST LORE &! WHEN THEY MESHED DISC WITH PIKE AND THE RED ANGEL-THAT ONE BLEW ME AWAY!! So AWESOME! (And to last five years IT WASNT LIKE NOBODY WAS WATCHING IT!!
PARAMOUNT MAYBE YOU PEOPLE CAN GET IT TOGETHER SOMETIME! LUCILE BALL IS SADLY GONE-AND IF IT WASNT FOR HER CLOUT WE WOULD NOT EVEN OF HAD CAPTAIN KIRK AND THE BEGINNING OF WHERE WE ALL BEGAN!!!
Thank the Stars that STRANGE NEW WORLDS IS STILL WITH US!!
AND THANK YOU FOR STILL KEEPING THE SHOWS THAT WERE ON PARAMOUNT
BECAU IF THEY DONT
THEN WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING PARAMOUNT!!
DID I GET YOUR ATTENTION NOW PARA?!
I think people need to get used to the idea of 5 season shows with streaming that seems to be the cut off with most streaming shows
Well, Paramount would be wise to have their own Post production studio. Because it would be less expensive in the long run.
I love Lower Decks and am sad and also surprised they’re canceling after 5th season
It's The Churn. Even hit shows plateau sooner or later in gaining new subscribers. So, the services churn the playlists.
I'm hoping for a Lower Decks movie
I'm guessing they are kinda shooting for 5 season runs, and move on to other projects. And given the possible mergers being thrown around, new creative leadership may not want to be tied down for another 2 + years per season on shows which have had a run. I would imagine the writers strike may be leading to cut-backs in numbers of in production programming as well, do to higher costs.
@raymondcanessa7208 There is no way that there is an adequate appetite for a Lower Decks movie for it to be a success.
@@pike100 Maybe on a streaming service like Section 32. Lower Deckers now senior staff on Enterprise E showing what happened on the "E" was not Worf's fault.
That's your opinion of course and you are entitled to it.
"Star Trek: Diversity" will be long forgotten....
Lower Decks getting cancelled is the best Star Trek news I have ever heard. Thank you.
seems Lower Decks could be reworked into CGI w/o too much of a change. ergo, they'd just need to pay voice talent & scriptwriters. so, wouldn't cost much to make.