First the grace period was to the public, not individuals. The Inquisition would come to town, announce a 30 day grace period where anyone who confessed their sins would receive leniency. Especially if they accused someone else. At this time it was popular for people to come in, & accuse their rivals of heresy. A person who was accused faced about 2 years incarceration before their case was processed, At this time they're property was seized to pay for for the inquisitions costs. The imprisoned was not told why, or who had accused them. So the truth is, Few did expect the Spanish inquisition. It was. “Surprise, someone is accusing you of heresy, Don't mind the accommodations. In a couple years we will torture you until you confess some sort of justification for all this unethical due process. Naturally it wont be so bad. Because in two years after losing everything you own, You likely wont have any hope left to care weather you live or die.” Around 1508 the grace period was tossed out for a faith period. Which was, Surprise! here comes the inquisition. Guess nobody expected us.
That's actually false, The Inquisition was actually rather stringent on its preceding and was amongst the first organizations to adopt the presumption of innocence. They were actually a force for mediation especially during the reformation wherein a surge of heavy biblical fundamentalism came about due to sola scriptora The rite of grace was to come into sunday mass, tell the community that a heretic is suspected in their community and that they have 30 days to give him or her in. If not, the investigation will begin. If someone was incarcerated by the inquisition, they are brought into questioning, the Use of torture was also actually very rare and was often employed to individuals who were openly proselytizing doctrinal differences not to wayward individuals who's crime were not being devout enough. The rite of faith is basically the same thing but the inquisitor openly gives the populace authority to do whatever they wish to the heretic that they suspected as long as they surrender them to him. Thats where the term grace period came from, It comes from the inquisitorial practice of the RITE OF GRACE ie providing notice 30 days prior the investigation, essentially, the inquisitor has two ways to begin his search, the more humane way, Rite of Grace, and the more radical way, Rite of Faith.
I'm not really whitewashing or apologizing for it, I'm showing you the truth. If the truth is inconvenient to you, then its your problem. Church courts of the Middle Ages had a deserved reputation for being far more lenient than their secular equivalents and this caused tension when the jurisdictions crossed. Henry II of England was particularly displeased about this in his dispute with the church that led to the murder of St Thomas á Beckett. For instance, the secular punishment for sodomy and bestiality was death right up to the nineteenth in most European countries but a church court was more likely to send the miscreant off on a pilgrimage. Records of punishments show that public confession, the wearing of a cross, pilgrimages, imprisonment and also execution were all sanctions available to the inquisitor with more mild reproofs being much the more common. The desire for confessions was in great part not motivated by the need for convictions for which other evidence could always be found, but rather because of what inquisitors saw as their pastoral duty. They wanted the accused to confess so that they could also receive absolution for their sins. On the other hand, unless someone was caught red handed, a confession was necessary for a capital conviction. So no matter how good the circumstantial evidence a confession was sometimes necessary for a conviction. The death penalty was only imposed on cases of unrepentant heretics or those found guilty of relapsing. A death sentence could also be imposed in absentia when the accused had fled as it was assumed in such cases that they were unrepentant. We do not possess many figures for the numbers of burnings but some statistics are available. For instance, Bernard Gui convicted 700 over a period of ten years in Toulouse of which 40 were executed. For executions, the Spanish inquisition consigned roughly 5000-4000 individuals to death in its 410 years of existence. Not really the juggernaut of death that its is portrayed in modern pop culture.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 They were torturing and executing people for victimless crimes. It was an abomination. You can't whitewash or apologize for that.
@MusicMadMaurice haha dude the whole thing is a mess, but I was just spell correcting not marking his hideous grammar. [As tone can be missed the following is said tongue firmly in cheek, or in old money, as a joke] Or otherwise I'd have been from the Spanish pedantic correctors...
When Jimmy says that he doesn't think that the Roman Empire fell, but just became The Church, I think he's just paraphrasing The Sopranos. "For two years, 900 Jews held their own against 15,000 Roman soldiers. They chose death before enslavement. And the Romans, where are they now?" "You're lookin' at 'em, assh*le."
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 He's assuming correctly, because millions did watch The Sopranos. Also, the show is widely recognized as one of the most influential TV shows in history. You have every right to your opinion, but I fear you might be in the minority here.
@Spartacus Mills By definition itself being in a minority makes it more likely you're wrong. This case though was a matter of personal preference, therefore there is no right and wrong in the first place. Unless you consider bringing up the whole thing wrong.
@@EnoVarma The question is whether that was worldwide or just in the US. Oftentimes, I think, things that left a huge mark in one country did not do so to anywhere near that extent elsewhere. I can't speak for Britain, but for example whereas on IMDb it is rated 9,2, in the equivalent in my country it's only at 85% (and the fact it is, I understand, culturally rooted in the US and its problems no doubt plays a role in that).
I have often wondered why more people don't realize just how much the organization known as the Roman Catholic Church is akin to ancient Rome. It is patriarchal, well-organized and regulated from within, and keeps meticulous records.
@@rsr789--It might interest you to know that the Roman Catholic Church doesn't destroy records. There are literally tons and tons of ancient records in the archives--so many that it's difficult to keep them in good condition. You might want to read a book entitled The Secret Archives of the Vatican, instead of snarking at people who HAVE read those books. Many of the records from Roman times were lost in monastery fires around Europe and in the purges of Henry VIII's and Bloody Mary's reigns in England. Even more were lost in the Great Library of Alexandria, Egypt's burning.
@@onemercilessming1342 It's known that copyists during the dark ages used older manuscripts, including Roman and Greek non-Christian manuscripts for their paper, having no thought or care for the knowledge contained within.
That led to many explorers coming to the Americas. Unlike most explorers, they brought their families, too. That is why so many Mexican and South Americans have biblical names.
AttilaTheBuns i did not dispute the bad means which the Inquisitions operated by. my point is that it wasn't the omnipotent killing machine, element of a theocratic terror, as it is portrayed. It was only a religious tribunal, that only used capital punishment (however contemptable it may be) when absolutely necessary
We don't really disagree on that, that was a bad turn of phrase on my part. I was trying to say that the Inquisition was not a "heretic holocaust" but for that time a modest and relatively bloodless tribunal.
I guess that the problem with us modern readers of history is that we look at the Spanish Inquisition with modern eyes. If an organization would be backed by the state and sentence people to corporal or capital punishment today because of religion we would condemn it, as we do with the Saudi Arabian courts. However, Europe was a completely different place 500 years ago and giving Jews and other non-Christians any sort of legal process was an improvement compared to what happened when a local mob decided to take matters into their own hands. Not saying the Spanish Inquisition was good, but Europe overall was pretty awful all around towards non-Christians back then, using the Spanish Inquisition as the chief representative of that is to grossly oversimplify things.
they didnt warn you, they gave you 30 days to confess after someone said something about you, but you wouldnt even know they were after you, and if you didnt confess they would go for you. if you confessed you would have to get out of the country
So your comedy troupe comes up with a sketch which contains famous lines that enter the national lexicon, thereby misleading entire generations for 40+ years and you say nothing, patiently waiting until sometime in the early 21st century for Stephen Fry to come along and finish the gag for you? Monty Python once again proving that they're the absolute kings!
Why don't you talk about the English "Inquisition"? It also changed the name, they didnt use the term inquisition, btu that's what it was, and they were far more brutal and sadistic than the Spanish one. I always found interesting British talk about the inquisition in Spain and not their own, being their own far worse.
Funny for sure but the Mr Rabinowitz line underscores the ignorance and superficiality of ppl in the West view of the topic. My ancestors were Spanish Jews and as likely to be named Cordeiro, Franco or de Leon. Spanish Jews were an integral part of Spanish life... well, until they weren't. No Rabinowites aqui.
They didn't spill blood, however, because spilling blood was baaad, mmmkay? No knives or cutting. No, no, no. Burning and roasting was all right, but dislocating joints and breaking, crushing and shattering bones was the preferred approach. So that's all right, then.
I thought that Roman Empire becoming a church thing was serious...and they did laugh when he said "...no" when he stopped himself saying no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition.
Rich Hall has a quick mind and a cynical delivery. He is a modern day W.C.Fields. but he does it in his own way. A great comedian.
Totally agree. Look forward to anything he appears in.
He's miserable.
Yeh he never smiles or laughs; but smirk is the most he'll do. But he is funny.
You should see him as alter-ego Otis Lee Crenshaw. HIlarious.
All I see is Moe, lol
0:19 I will forever love Phil's reaction to that!
Whoa, this comment's old enough the timestamp doesn't work xD
No. Phil is a [beep] word i can't say
@@john.premose coward
I appreciate the guy walking in the video behind them
Lol! I thought it was a crew member from the show at first.
Totally expected Stephen to say at the beginning “Now for something... completely different.”
did they torture them with soft cussions and the comfy chair
more like pointy stick up the bum and your the shoulder, so you got to keep living for 2 or 3 days
THE COMFY CHAIR?!
Lord Skeptic - thanks; you just made me waste a couple of hours watching Monty Python sketches! ;)
Cardinal Fang, fetch the comfy chair
No . I'm sure it was with "cushions" and a red hot poker
First the grace period was to the public, not individuals. The Inquisition would come to town, announce a 30 day grace period where anyone who confessed their sins would receive leniency. Especially if they accused someone else.
At this time it was popular for people to come in, & accuse their rivals of heresy.
A person who was accused faced about 2 years incarceration before their case was processed, At this time they're property was seized to pay for for the inquisitions costs. The imprisoned was not told why, or who had accused them.
So the truth is, Few did expect the Spanish inquisition. It was. “Surprise, someone is accusing you of heresy, Don't mind the accommodations. In a couple years we will torture you until you confess some sort of justification for all this unethical due process. Naturally it wont be so bad. Because in two years after losing everything you own, You likely wont have any hope left to care weather you live or die.”
Around 1508 the grace period was tossed out for a faith period. Which was, Surprise! here comes the inquisition. Guess nobody expected us.
Sounds like a really really really slow method of gentrification.
That's actually false, The Inquisition was actually rather stringent on its preceding and was amongst the first organizations to adopt the presumption of innocence. They were actually a force for mediation especially during the reformation wherein a surge of heavy biblical fundamentalism came about due to sola scriptora
The rite of grace was to come into sunday mass, tell the community that a heretic is suspected in their community and that they have 30 days to give him or her in. If not, the investigation will begin.
If someone was incarcerated by the inquisition, they are brought into questioning, the Use of torture was also actually very rare and was often employed to individuals who were openly proselytizing doctrinal differences not to wayward individuals who's crime were not being devout enough. The rite of faith is basically the same thing but the inquisitor openly gives the populace authority to do whatever they wish to the heretic that they suspected as long as they surrender them to him.
Thats where the term grace period came from, It comes from the inquisitorial practice of the RITE OF GRACE ie providing notice 30 days prior the investigation, essentially, the inquisitor has two ways to begin his search, the more humane way, Rite of Grace, and the more radical way, Rite of Faith.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 You can whitewash and apologize for it, but it was still a brutal and unjust system.
I'm not really whitewashing or apologizing for it, I'm showing you the truth. If the truth is inconvenient to you, then its your problem.
Church courts of the Middle Ages had a deserved reputation for being far more lenient than their secular equivalents and this caused tension when the jurisdictions crossed. Henry II of England was particularly displeased about this in his dispute with the church that led to the murder of St Thomas á Beckett. For instance, the secular punishment for sodomy and bestiality was death right up to the nineteenth in most European countries but a church court was more likely to send the miscreant off on a pilgrimage. Records of punishments show that public confession, the wearing of a cross, pilgrimages, imprisonment and also execution were all sanctions available to the inquisitor with more mild reproofs being much the more common.
The desire for confessions was in great part not motivated by the need for convictions for which other evidence could always be found, but rather because of what inquisitors saw as their pastoral duty. They wanted the accused to confess so that they could also receive absolution for their sins. On the other hand, unless someone was caught red handed, a confession was necessary for a capital conviction. So no matter how good the circumstantial evidence a confession was sometimes necessary for a conviction.
The death penalty was only imposed on cases of unrepentant heretics or those found guilty of relapsing. A death sentence could also be imposed in absentia when the accused had fled as it was assumed in such cases that they were unrepentant. We do not possess many figures for the numbers of burnings but some statistics are available. For instance, Bernard Gui convicted 700 over a period of ten years in Toulouse of which 40 were executed. For executions, the Spanish inquisition consigned roughly 5000-4000 individuals to death in its 410 years of existence. Not really the juggernaut of death that its is portrayed in modern pop culture.
@@johnisaacfelipe6357 They were torturing and executing people for victimless crimes. It was an abomination. You can't whitewash or apologize for that.
❤️ Oh, be still my heart, my nethers and all
When regarding the knowledge and wit of Rich Hall ...❤️
NO ONE EXPECT THE SPANISH INQUISITION, THEIR CHEIF WEPON
ARE SUPRISE AND FEAR , NO THAT 2 WEPONS
Chief, surprise and weapon. No-one expects the Spanish spell correctors...
@MusicMadMaurice haha dude the whole thing is a mess, but I was just spell correcting not marking his hideous grammar. [As tone can be missed the following is said tongue firmly in cheek, or in old money, as a joke] Or otherwise I'd have been from the Spanish pedantic correctors...
@MusicMadMaurice hahaha I fear he will not respond as in a battle of wits he's very unarmed.
When Jimmy says that he doesn't think that the Roman Empire fell, but just became The Church, I think he's just paraphrasing The Sopranos.
"For two years, 900 Jews held their own against 15,000 Roman soldiers. They chose death before enslavement. And the Romans, where are they now?"
"You're lookin' at 'em, assh*le."
NamesForDogs - you’re assuming that anyone bothered watching such a crap programme as the Sopranos in the first instance.
@@mandywalkden-brown7250 He's assuming correctly, because millions did watch The Sopranos. Also, the show is widely recognized as one of the most influential TV shows in history. You have every right to your opinion, but I fear you might be in the minority here.
@Spartacus Mills By definition itself being in a minority makes it more likely you're wrong. This case though was a matter of personal preference, therefore there is no right and wrong in the first place. Unless you consider bringing up the whole thing wrong.
@Spartacus Mills Umm...no.
@@EnoVarma The question is whether that was worldwide or just in the US.
Oftentimes, I think, things that left a huge mark in one country did not do so to anywhere near that extent elsewhere. I can't speak for Britain, but for example whereas on IMDb it is rated 9,2, in the equivalent in my country it's only at 85% (and the fact it is, I understand, culturally rooted in the US and its problems no doubt plays a role in that).
This part of the black legend. The Spanish Inquisition was the most humane court system in Europe for 100’s is years
Everybody expects the Spanish inquisition!
Nobody expects the span
Oh bugger
They gave you notice and then a month later they messed with one of the cross-beams on the treadle, then you wouldn't expect them...🤨🧐
This is one of many times I've learned something from that made me genuinely say "what the fuck?"
Replying to my own comment that right at the end Jimmy Carr just blew my fucking mind.
I have often wondered why more people don't realize just how much the organization known as the Roman Catholic Church is akin to ancient Rome. It is patriarchal, well-organized and regulated from within, and keeps meticulous records.
Except when it destroys records from others, like those of Ancient Rome... OH, THE IRONY.
@@rsr789--It might interest you to know that the Roman Catholic Church doesn't destroy records. There are literally tons and tons of ancient records in the archives--so many that it's difficult to keep them in good condition. You might want to read a book entitled The Secret Archives of the Vatican, instead of snarking at people who HAVE read those books. Many of the records from Roman times were lost in monastery fires around Europe and in the purges of Henry VIII's and Bloody Mary's reigns in England. Even more were lost in the Great Library of Alexandria, Egypt's burning.
@@onemercilessming1342 It's known that copyists during the dark ages used older manuscripts, including Roman and Greek non-Christian manuscripts for their paper, having no thought or care for the knowledge contained within.
Sounds just like the civil service in any country anywhere.
Putting cutaway ads at the ENDS of videos is a sort of torture in of itself.
I didn't see any, because I run AdBlock perhaps?
"NOOOOOO-body expects the Spanish Inquisition!" :)
Poor Michael Palin. That's going to be the first line of his eulogy... Well, nobody expected that...
Quite Interesting
Just like f***ing Ofsted, then?
I never expected it at all.
That led to many explorers coming to the Americas. Unlike most explorers, they brought their families, too. That is why so many Mexican and South Americans have biblical names.
I was expecting nobody to be a klaxon
It probably was but nobody said it.
What was the money for??
Wow that was unexpected
No one
No ones expects the Spanish inquisition
Jimmy was totally going to say nobody, but feared a trap!
In fact the Inquisition wasn't a brutal almighty butchering machine rather a relatively bloodless tribunal.
Edward The Butler Many thousands were still butchered, and many thousands more fled. It wasn't as bad as many portray it to be but it was still bad.
AttilaTheBuns
i did not dispute the bad means which the Inquisitions operated by. my point is that it wasn't the omnipotent killing machine, element of a theocratic terror, as it is portrayed. It was only a religious tribunal, that only used capital punishment (however contemptable it may be) when absolutely necessary
You and I must disagree on what necessitates capital punishment.
We don't really disagree on that, that was a bad turn of phrase on my part. I was trying to say that the Inquisition was not a "heretic holocaust" but for that time a modest and relatively bloodless tribunal.
I guess that the problem with us modern readers of history is that we look at the Spanish Inquisition with modern eyes. If an organization would be backed by the state and sentence people to corporal or capital punishment today because of religion we would condemn it, as we do with the Saudi Arabian courts. However, Europe was a completely different place 500 years ago and giving Jews and other non-Christians any sort of legal process was an improvement compared to what happened when a local mob decided to take matters into their own hands.
Not saying the Spanish Inquisition was good, but Europe overall was pretty awful all around towards non-Christians back then, using the Spanish Inquisition as the chief representative of that is to grossly oversimplify things.
Amazing how the information is around, it's just buried in the social vomiting that is our society.
Just in case anyone hadn't guessed, Jimmy Carr is a lapsed Catholic.
98% are we just don't tell our mothers.
David Hughes So are jews.
That's the religious way of saying atheist
@@Katya_Lastochka Aren't Catholics lapsed Jews?
Nah, he's just grown up.
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition ‼️
they didnt warn you, they gave you 30 days to confess after someone said something about you, but you wouldnt even know they were after you, and if you didnt confess they would go for you. if you confessed you would have to get out of the country
So your comedy troupe comes up with a sketch which contains famous lines that enter the national lexicon, thereby misleading entire generations for 40+ years and you say nothing, patiently waiting until sometime in the early 21st century for Stephen Fry to come along and finish the gag for you? Monty Python once again proving that they're the absolute kings!
Interesting. Martin Luther was born in 1483.
They knew that.... that’s why it was a joke.... you see.
Why don't you talk about the English "Inquisition"? It also changed the name, they didnt use the term inquisition, btu that's what it was, and they were far more brutal and sadistic than the Spanish one. I always found interesting British talk about the inquisition in Spain and not their own, being their own far worse.
The crusades, I assume?
tahutoa The fact that Jewish people were banned from England for several hundred years?
The English were absolutely brutal in Medieval times
@@Luke-tt3dt who wasn't?
Funny for sure but the Mr Rabinowitz line underscores the ignorance and superficiality of ppl in the West view of the topic.
My ancestors were Spanish Jews and as likely to be named Cordeiro, Franco or de Leon.
Spanish Jews were an integral part of Spanish life... well, until they weren't. No Rabinowites aqui.
The French invented plagiarism and conceit. Americans call it research and self-awareness.
Plagiarism is still considered big no no, so its not the same as research when ots someone copying someone else did
Well... No it doesn't
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They didn't spill blood, however, because spilling blood was baaad, mmmkay? No knives or cutting. No, no, no.
Burning and roasting was all right, but dislocating joints and breaking, crushing and shattering bones was the preferred approach. So that's all right, then.
Phil jupitus is so awkward. I’m Sure he’s a nice chap but just not funny to me.
He's not funny.
Did anyone else notice Jimmy trying to be funny 2x and failing?
James Kaye the Audience failed to laugh more like
I thought that Roman Empire becoming a church thing was serious...and they did laugh when he said "...no" when he stopped himself saying no-one expected the Spanish Inquisition.
Sorry, what I meant to say was, 'yes - yes I did'
Circumssion again