Habs Draft Wish List at 5th Overall, Shayne's Mock Draft, Demidov Best Russian Since Ovechkin
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- Montreal Canadiens best players available at 5th overall according to @shaynegaumond5900 of the @TheSickPodcastwithTonyMarinaro
Ivan Demidov is the best russian prospect available since Alex Ovechkin.
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You know. Sometimes I think about starting a Habs channel but then I listen to Shayne and whether it was with Habs Tonight, Sick or here with you Dekes I realize I would just have a less interesting way to say exactly what he is saying!😂
I mostly listen to Shayne when I want to remember I’m not crazy! Can’t believe how much I agree with him on so much.😂
Great video Dekes! Love these collaborations.
What an excellent show. Really enjoyed all the info and discussion. You guys always increase my excitement for the draft. I'm sure the Habs will pick up the player that best fits their rebuilding expectations. Shayne's excitement is just so addicting. lol GHG
Agreed Lindstrom at #5 but Iginla is soooo intriguing!
Kk was very intriguing also
@@zblip22You CANNOT compare Iginla to KK. Proof positive that you're a true casual.
AS of Friday ... Iginla is up and Lindstrom is down
The player interview with Kent Hughes will be a major deciding factor
You are really right
This an strong draft
For 1st 20 pics
The excellent Shayne Gaumond joining the excellent Drew Dekes in one of my most anticipated video analysis, every spring. Thank you for the tight, informative, smoothly prepared and delivered, and necessary takes. Thank you for also the information pertaining not only to the top 10 possible prospect draft options, but also the bottom end of the first round and the possibilities there. I always appreciate a mentioning of those players as well. It makes viewing the draft that much more enjoyable. Also, great new haircut Drew! Always Positive. Always Here. Mick
Really enjoyed this episode . Wow Shane and i think alot alike . Our list throught both list almost identical . Accept for Canton at 5 for habs on wish list. Cant know that at all. Well done . Nice to see Shane s thought process. I was quite impressed ,i swear he got inside my head. And only thing i m worried about is ,Lidstrom going sooner. I honestly believe habs need to trade up in 2 nd or 3rd to assure getting Lidstrom or Demidov . I just get a bad feeling those two are going in top 3.
Every time I hear of Lindstrom, I hear ''hes 6'3 220 pounds, he may not be this... he may not be that... '' That scares me man. People are more focused about telling us what he won't bring us than what he will bring.
Agreed
He’s big, we get it..
@@chansevigen1328 Yeah man. When we drafted Slaf, we had much more good stuff to say about him that the only fact that he's big.
27 goals in 32 WHL games in your sophomore season is probably a safe bet at #5 based on those stats
Except he absolutely IS this and IS that. Plus he’s big.
Well done fellas . I watch both your shows consistently and you guys make a great duo as well. Great collaboration! I’m a huge habs fan and been studying this draft this year. I have to agree with Shane, if we can’t get Lindstrom or Demigod…..then Iginla or maybe move down and get Beckett Sennikie. Either way we will be coming out of this draft with a good player .
Fun fact: Demidov is actually taller than what’s listed and roughly 12 pounds heavier than what is also listed.
If say both Demidov and Lindstrom are gone before the Habs pick, does nobody else think they should consider drafting Cole Eiserman. Let's be completley honest, the habs need goal scoring ability, and Caulfied is not going to cut it. Eiserman is without a doubt the best pure goal scorer of this draft, and would undoubtebly fill that hole for montreal. He has some gaps in his game, and he's not a centerman, however I think that if played with the right centerman Eiserman's game can fill out nicely. Especially with a good coach like MSL, Eiserman would not only reach his goal scoring potential at the NHL level, but would be a solid all around player as well. I like Iginla, however I think Eiserman is just as promising if not more.
Since most Hab fans aren't showing much interest in Eiserman and don't consider him on the Habs radar, I agree with what you're saying and imo could be the sleeper in the draft. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Habs select Eiserman if the other top guys are no longer available at #5. Me personally I like Iginla.
I am really scared that neither Demidov nor Lindstrom will be available at 5 which is why I reaaaaally want KH to overpay for 2nd or 3rd OA (depending the price)
Great show guys! I really have a feeling that with Chinakhov, Marchenko and Voronkov forming a promising core in Ohio, there's no chance Demidov falls beyond CBJ, but completely agree that he's not a player you walk away from if available. On the other hand, Lindstrom has outwardly expressed a desire to play for the Habs,a nd 100% fits the bill of what HuGo want... Can't wait for draft night!!
They would be better off with Inigla.
It will be fascinating to watch what happens at the draft, specifically for the Habs, because of the uncertainty with who each team picks after #1. As to who the Habs will draft...I think Hughes&Co will prepare for all scenarios...so I am convinced Hughes has already contacted his other GMs to see what is available and being very open to listening to other teams asking for Habs players/picks. Once the draft takes place (and I highly doubt Habs can trade up), IF the player they want is available at #5, then obviously they make the pick...however IF, let's say the top choices the Habs have on their list are taken by picks #2-#4...then decisions need to be made on what to do. I have no clue who the Habs will draft...but I am convinced they want to draft a HIGH skilled offensive fwd (Demidov?) and/or for size (Lindstrom? Sennecke?? (my spidey senses feel Sennecke will be the pick))...let me put this out there, if picks #2-#4 are all forwards, what if the Habs make a trade, trading 1/2 of their highly touted Dmen for a Top6 forward, then select a Dman at #5. I doubt this scenario happens but watching how Hughes works...he likes to be "creative" especially when it comes to trades and trying to improve this team. We shall see!
Forget Linstrom he is a Josh Anderson. Berkley Catton is a carbon copy of Joe Sakic. Berkley Catton PLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Tell me you know nothing about prospects without telling me you know nothing about prospects 👆🏻
Jo sakic !? Whatt hahah . Sakic is unique i dont see nothinggg comparable to him in his plauy
Senneke Senneke Senneke
Another intriguing draft prospect for the Habs, that I wouldn't be disappointed if they did, should the other top options are no longer available.
Man I wish it’s sennecke the highlights convince me wow what a gem !!!
Since someone pointed out that Lindstrom got over 70% of his points on the PP playing with McKenna, I''ve been a little less sold on the guy.
Iginla or Catton are risers in my book.
They are in a rebuild where development is a top priority. Gorton's player development staff worked wonders with Caufield, Guhle, Xhekaj, Slafkovsky. Two of those guys were Bergevin picks and pretty much all of Bergy's previous picks faded away, undeveloped, except for Sergachev who they traded and he actually developed in Tampa. In return Bergevin got Drouin who ... faded away. They should draft skill with a high ceiling and most of all the ability to develop. Stay away from picking based on stats and eye candy. The shiniest toy approach isn't good enough.
You failed to mention my favorite song... Is It Like Today. I actually chatted online with Karl on occasion. We had a lot of the same political and social views. He was passionate and very humble. I took it hard as well
Iginla would fit in the culture they’re trying to build! Hard worker, plays bigger than he is and can score goals. He seems like a slam dunk pick at 5.
parekh at 5 basha 27th
How was the Mesar pick?
Fully agree with Shayne on the scouting. There's always a level of hit & miss in those draft but it's gone impressively well, especially looking at the second rounds and latter.
To be fair we were already seeing some major scouting improvement, especially in the last year of the Bergevin era. Guys like Trudeau, Simoneau have truly been helpful to Laval this season, and they also got Roy and Kapanen. But then Gorton came along, reshuffled the structure a bit to create this 2 pronged Bobrov Lapointe scouting direction. From them the only "ok, maybe that one's a miss" that i could quote is Vinzenz Rohrer who's not doing that bad in NL but if taking a gamble on a smaller forward Jordan Dumais was still available with way more upside to show for (by so far it's really sad). But then we got Engström that same round & Davidson early in the next who's developping fine enough for the AHL in what wasn't a crazy deep draft at all to begin with, so can't complain.
Bobrov got fired out of New York because he was so bad...hopefully he did learn from his blunders !!!
Shane - I like your mock draft but I think that Columbus will take Lindstrom because they need scoring more than defense. If that happens, I think the Canadiens trade down with Calgary (5 for 9) and take Senneke. That way Calgary get's Iginla but it costs them their Slovakian first-round draft pick from last year. Iginla is not going to make it to 9 as too many teams like Montreal, Columbus, and Seatle need offense.
Moving up will cost and we have lotsa' D and trading Roy is a loss so trade Matheson and keep Savard as our veteran. but a large forward seems likely. We have Suzuki at 210 lbs, Dach, Slav, and Armia on our fourth line. Priority is not size. A play driver like Catton would add more to the TEAM concept and a need for variety. Catton has it all and needs weight which is simple to solve. Catton pound for pound is the best forward in the draft and the play driver will add more to the TEAM. Size is easy to find but a solid play driver will win hockey games. Lafleur, Richard, etc were all under 6ft but were Giants and were play drivers. We cant pass up on this opportunity. Pick Catton!
shane with a y has become more sure with his projections ,i like that .
i agree with demidov,thats why imo he wont be there for the habs to select .
i assume it will go
celebrini
demidov
siliayev
lindstrom
then the habs draft ? a lhd that could perhaps push guhlie to second duo .
or a guy that broke bobby orrs records in the ohl this year that plays rhd .or a pronger like player in yakemchuck .
imo the drop off in talent is not worth the risk year 3 of a rebuild .bpa or you might draft another kk in eiserman or iginla thats rated 11th in a d heavy draft with franchise d in the mix vs second line 30 goal guy thats a minus player .or injury risk like lindstrom .
i would take one of the d not selected .because we do not yet have a playoff group ,that can win a cup .
but thats my opinion .
im happy shanye is doing well .
Levshunov will go before Silayev for Anahein, they want a right D
@@maxpatenaude2115 i could see the ducks doing that.
I completely agree. Best to draft one of the top defensemen this year unless (by some miracle) Demidov is still available. Even with Dach back in the lineup, Habs still need a lot of work to contend for the cup. Not enough depth at every position. It will take years to rebuild properly. I fully expect Habs to finish near the bottom in 25 & 26. Some great offensive talents are coming.
Do the Habs really pass on Silayev or Levshunov if they are available at 5th?
I just don’t see a team taking Silayev in the top 5
I believe this top 4 is pretty straight forward in no particular order after Celebrini
.Celebrini
.Lev
.Demidov
.Lidstrom
Where this draft gets interesting is when the Habs go up to pick at 5.
For D I like Yakemchuk, big, hard shot and a tonne of penalties, so you know he's mean! That's the best D in the draft for playoffs!
MHL stock has never been so low, country is at war and that league doesn’t have the depth as most talented players play in the kHL , including prospects , due to the low amount of international players playing in the kHL due to the war. At the same age michkov was playing in the kHL , breaking Malkins and ovechkin records for a player his age and when he faced bedard he outscored him at the U18
So the habs passed on michkov at 5th last year so they could pick reinbacher , but this year if demidov was available they would pick him ? Don’t get me wrong , I would of picked michkov last year and demidov this year, we need talent but to say that he’s the best Russian since Ovechkin when kucherov had better season than Crosby , that’s a little premature , but don’t worry , demidov will be gone by the time the habs pick anyway
As for Linstrom has a bad back , look at him skate , his whole career he skated with that stance that screams bad back. And his stats are average . Iginla at 5th is just mental 😂😂😂
1.Celeb 2. demidov 3. Silayev 4. Eiserman 5. ????
Too many #1 defensemen available at number 5 to waste a pick on iginla or lindstrom . And yes I got Silayev at number 3, 6’8 and his skating for a player his size is unheard of, this guy has the skills and size to be the next Chara .
Tell me how do you pass on Levshunov, Parekh and Dickinson stats are just retarded and can’t be ignored
That’s why I’ll always say that the Reinbacher pick , regardless on what he does , wasn’t a good pick
Sleeper Konsta Helenius
💯 agree.
My pick would be catton I feel it is a play driver that we lack a but in our top 6, But I agree the D in this draft class broke record left and right and it makes the Reinbacher pick even worse in hindsight by kinda locking us in a situation where the need is at forward.
I think if Hughes likes Demidov in the interview he will trade up to get him
I have a feeling there gonna take luchenov or lidstrom !
Picking 5th is such a weird spot .. The G.M.s for the top 4 are not going to pass on ANY STARS !!! SO.. Habs basically get ...the drop off pick .!!! BUMMER ..!! YEAH ..He will be ...O.K. ...but it's a roll the dice player ...So ...Do your homework Hughes ...good fit...good size...good skill ...good health...good attitude ...GOOD LUCK !!!😅😅😅
Historically speaking from 1990 to about I believe 2018 the 5th overall pick ended being better than the 4th or 6th overall pick…. Also at 5th overall you are more likely to get an All-Star, Superstar, Elite or Franchise player than a Bust… Also most 5th overall picks end up playing north of 600 games in the NHL… Tony Marinaro talked about this study that was done recently I believe last week and 5th overall historically speaking is a very good place to draft…
Chi, Ana, and CBJ all take Defencemen…
I like Lindstrom? but I think berkly Catton is more ready to play right away that's who I would take and Lindstrom has injuries go HABS
I'd give our 5th plus Reimbacher for Demidov , NO DOUBT ABOUT IT 🤞🤞🤞
you are guessing a lot. Did you see them play?
If demidov is that good
Helenius might be the most NHL ready outside of Celebrini. He’ll go higher than everyone thinks.
I think he’s the most underrated player in this draft by the media. He’s my number 1 target for the flyers at 12.
I’m not sure he’ll still be there. McKenzie has him at 8 and Button at 3. Three seems high, but 5-10? Very possible.
Trade for a top six guy? Engles is expecting a trade for a top six? Hughes has been GM for 2 years and 4 months. So far he has acquired ...
zero experienced goalies
zero experienced defence men
zero experienced forwards, except for 4th line temps to plug a hole.
The 5 high end D they assembled ... Xhekaj, Mailloux, Hutson, Reinbacher, Guhle ... have a combined total of 212 games experience. It will be 2026 before Hutson, Mailloux & Reinbacher reach 100 games, providing they start playing now, otherwise it will take longer. Trade for more scoring now? What for? They are going to turn over the puck and give up goals. They are not ready.
They have 25 draft picks in the next 14 months, potentially 5 of them in the 1st round. The goaltending prospects are built. The defence is pretty much built. They can draft 25 forwards and develop the best of them while the new D starts to play. Handing out 7 million dollar contracts to an older player is a mistake, at this time.
Demidov looks like a Datsyuk.
Chicago lidstrom or luchenov!
No one has a god damn clue what will happen after Celebrini. All speculations. But for me, if I'm the Hawks GM, i go for the big center Lindstrom to be the second C behind Bedard, too many smurfs on that team . Then Levshunov in Anahein is simply the best fit. If im in Columbus shoes, i have a really big dilemma between Demidov, and the 2 big left D Silayev and Dickinson, or even Buium.
We gotta pray for Demidov or Lindstrom for the Habs. Its a high possibility one of the 2 slips.
The smurf factor is irrelevant at the No. 2 pick. At No. 2, you pick the best player available and that will probably be Ivan Demidov, who will be an ideal winger on a line centered by Connor Bedard. Larger, stronger centers and wingers can be added in free agency. I think it is unlikely either Demidov or Lindstrom will slip down to No. 5 and the Montreal Canadiens will be choosing between: Anton Silayev, Zeev Buium, Zayne Parekh, Sam Dickinson, and possibly Tij Iginla. Silayev or Parekh would be my pick at No. 5
@dlphcoracl9645 you got a good point for sure. But you gotta admit players like Cayden Lidnstrom don't come around to often, a rare species. Big center, gritty, hell of a shot, good hands, good skating. I just like the package Lindstrom brings. Look at Byfield and Slafkovsky in recent memories, they went 2nd and 1st overall, in perhaps less deep draft but still ! A center is always more valuable than a winger and dont sleep on the Russian factor. I love Demidov, i like the skills, but you gotta look at the big picture too. Who do you choose to build your team for the playoffs.
But trust me ! Its a very hard call between Demidov and Lindstrom, Chicago will most likely go for one of the 2.
@@maxpatenaude2115 The 'Russian factor' is greatly exaggerated. The top Russian prospects almost always find their way into the NHL if they want to. A more difficult aspect of the 'Russian factor' is the inability of Blackhawks scouts to see Demidov in person during a game. For the Blackhawks, prioritizing the center position (Lindstrom) takes 2nd place to finding someone who can score goals. Blackhawks had the worst power play and scored the fewest goals in the NHL and this should be top priority with their No. 2 pick. For this reason, I am betting on Kyle from Chicago to aggressively pursue a 1st round trade with their No. 20 pick if Cole Eiserman slips out of the top ten.
When Pierre McGuire said this draft is “meh it’s okay” is after the first round or even after the 20th pick overall this draft is not that great, It’s weak… If you have second round picks, 3rds, 4ths etc you trade those picks this year because this draft is not deep like 2023 it’s top heavy in the first round and that’s it… that’s what Pierre meant.
I say trade for demidov if i was Montreal i would trade Hudson for him then draft his brother
In saying you would trade Hutson shows you know absolutely nothing about anything.
Then I would trade montreal
next first round draft.Pick to chicago for the first round draft pick 2026 unprotected
If you want to cause a riot in Calgary, you trade for Calgary's 1st and pick Iginla!
Why is everyone down on Eiserman!!? One trick pony 😂
Sennecke won’t be able to dangle like that at NHL
TROUBA shut down daat shit 💩
EISERMAN will around out his game in no time, what he has can’t be taught
Yes a one trick poney that’s scores goals , Montreal need talented goal scorer. They’ve been in the bottom 5 for scoring form 40 years except for a couple of years. They don’t need grinder or passers , they have 50 of them
Eiserman is one of the youngest player in the draft and always produced big on the international scene during important games and he did it throughout his playing against players older than he was , he’s already 6’ and 185 lbs at 17 and skates like the wind . Not sure what you mean with one trick poney
@@stephaneferron5317- I think the poster is being sarcastic and that's what some people say.
Two words :
Mike. Hoffman.
@@moviestoshare813 you’re comparing Mike Hoffman , a guy that couldn’t even get 100 pts in lhjmq to Eiserman who’s outscoring every single great American players to ever play college in history?😂😂🤦♂🤦♂
By the way , for a guys that was an average player in junior and went 130th overall , it doesn’t get much better than Mike Hoffman , 485 pts in 745 nhl for a 130th overall is well above average of what’s expected of such player
But yes cool story
I like Sennecke too, I wouldn't be so quick to talk negatively about his abilities translating to the NHL, but Eiserman is a pure Sniper and could be the sleeper in the draft. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Habs selected Eiserman, they desperately need more scoring on the team to help Suzuki, Caufield, and Slafkovsky.
“best russian since ovechkin” didn’t they literally say the same about Michkov a year ago….?
Shayne didn’t, but he’s saying it this year 👀
Habs will trade Down to draft a forward
Kucherov is best Russian since Ovechkin
To be determined, but you have a great point…technically I’d say your right, yes.
Pierre isn't plugged into the CHL as he is in college. I asked him about a couple players he never even heard of him
Like who?
I wish you explained why demidov is FAR better than michkov. That is not a popular opinion
Demidov’s a better skater
(edgework AND speed)
Demidov is taller and bigger.
Demidov has hands that are
LIGHT YEARS
above Michkov’s hands.
Demidov has a better vision.
Demidov is a better playmaker.
Demidov has better passing abilities.
Demidov backchecks 😂🤣🤷♂️
Demidov is more competitive along the boards.
Demidov works harder overall.
Michkov has a better shot
& better goal-scoring instincts
So what is that ?
11 to 2 for Demidov ?
@@moviestoshare813if he's so great, then why Michkov played in the KHL? While Demikov played in the MHL?
@@bigpopa8751They clearly explained why. Your listening skills are obviously terrible.
@@JohannesS And your socials' are over the top! 😅 Have a good life bro.
Yea, I'm a leafs fan. Good idea,draft another Euro..So far it's been working
The hockey in Russia is seriously depleted of talent. It is no wonder Demidov dominated. Foreign players and even Russian people fled. The KHL has never been weaker
If you can't get The russian player then I will Coal izerman
Sorry buddy.....this is a bad list. Like really bad but you do you and continue having a good time.
If Buff gets Berkly Catton at 11 they will be 🎶 small.
Savoie 🤢
I think savoie is traded of never play in the NHL if they draft catton.
Calgary gives us 9th an a top prospect for 5th and we draft Eiserman
Eiserman future Mike Hoffman
@@moviestoshare813you a scout and certain of that lol??? I find it real funny some people are so quick to compare him to Hoffman and write him off. On the other side of that coin Eiserman could be the steal of the draft and become a Caulfield 2.0 type player.
I'd rather Habs keep #5 and draft Iginla.
@@HabsFan1978 honestly im hoping for the same, just wanted to explore that scenario
Among all the terrible terms and phrases that have become popular among hockey commentators, the most puzzling is "unicorn." What do people mean when they call a player this? I think they think it's the same as saying "one of a kind." Or, as you say in this video, "rare." A unicorn is a mythical animal. It's not rare; in fact, it doesn't exist. The problem with these kinds of silly terms is that they don't actually communicate anything. You might try and just tell us what you mean using regular words. It's like calling a player a "Swiss army knife" instead of saying he is versatile. So tiresome. Also, what do you mean by "a huge green flag"?
when are people going to realize that 5'11 175lbs is an undersized player?
Weight at 18 pretty much means nothing though height is the only important factor because you can’t change it.
@@benozkleenex definitely means a lot. An 18 yr old at 240 is and will be a much bigger man than an 18 yr old at 175. The different is 65lbs or 37%
@@chrisbrotsis9041 5’11 can be 175 at 18 and can be 210 at 21. Glad you wanted to show me you can do math but you totally missed the point.
All Love from Columbus but We Taking Lindstrom or Silayev... Unless we get Lucky🫣