Installing OEM Paddle Shifters on Alfa Romeo Giulia / Stelvio with MultiECUScan explanation
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Many thanks to those who helped me out along the way.
Below are some useful links to guides, products, and parts and further explanation of instructions that weren't very clear.
GiuliaForums Guide: www.giuliaforu...
SGW Bypass Plug ('18-present): shopeurocompul...
MultiECUScan: www.multiecusc...
MultiECUScan User Guide: www.multiecusc... -- Page 56 through 60 explains how to run a proxi alignment after changing adjustments
iDiagnostics Alfa Romeo OBD Cables: idiagnostics.c...
ELM Drivers:
www.idiagnosti...
Lower Steering Column Cowl 6CV10LXHAA: parts.moparonl...
OEM Switch Assembly: parts.moparonl...
-- Clarifications --
1) With the three connectors, you need to individually disconnect each of them. They are not all held together.
2) After reconnecting the three connectors plus the fourth paddle shifters connection, then you can reconnect the car's battery. When you reconnect the battery and start the car, you will get a lot of fault lights. What seems to work is just turning the steering wheel lock-to-lock and the car will go back to normal.
3) Explanation of installing the lower cowl was quite vague and I apologize for that. It took me forever. There are two posts that aren't on the same place on either side and you need to get the cowl to clip just above and then lock into place using the posts. Once it's locked into place, then the top part and click down and be secured. Knowing, this, should only take a minute or two.
4) MULTIECUSCAN INFORMATION: Make sure you are on the BODY -- CAN SETUP PROXI ALIGNMENT option, and then press connect. Once you have changed the paddles to 'present' and confirmed/completed, scroll to the top of the list of things you can do in MES, then press "PROXI ALIGNMENT PROCEDURE" and the process will begin.
Please let me know if you have any questions, I am happy to try and help.
Great vid. It helped a bunch. For those using the original lower trim, Dremel 3cm down from the top near the stalk, go 2.5 - 3cm forward and then 2 cm back up. It looks pretty factory w/ these dimensions. For those asking about cost, the prices of these parts has gone up considerably over the years. The more people that learn about how easy this is, the more the price will keep going up.
Awesome video MaxFerriswell! Quick disconnect on the negative battery terminal works very well, super easy once you figure it out! Removing the negative terminal is recommended as that is able to touch the body or any other grounded point without causing sparks/damage.
Great, thanks. So removing the terminal was the right idea in this case?
@@ferrisschueller3984 If it was the negative terminal, yes, same as what the quick disconnect does.
Great video, proxy alignment was a pain but all sorted in the end, just need to find the lower cover with paddle cut outs.
Great video ! thanks for taking the time to explain the whole process step by step 👍👍
Exactly what I needed, we just got a 2021 Stelvio for a great deal. Unfortunately it was not the ti or sport so missing the paddles.
Beautiful Speedmaster.
Great video. Did all this with the same parts on my 19. Needed sgw bypass. Proxi errors out from DSCM and flashes my odometer.
Hey I’m adding paddles to my 2019 as well. Need help with SGW bypass and turning them on using the software. Can you help me out?
wonderful!!! thank you for sharing
Thank you 🙏🏼
Hi Ferris, thanks for the extremely helpful video! I also have a 2017 Giulia Ti (same as yours) and was able to successfully add the paddle shifters. (I used all your recommended equipment.) After I finally got (after so many attempts) a successful proxi alignment..my check engine light, start/stop failure, low battery, and service engine prompts all show on my dash. I also have no drive modes even ensuring/changing the switch type to a Type 2 DNA. Otherwise the car drives fine. Getting a bit desperate, any help would be appreciated! Thank you!
Did you turn the steering wheel lock to lock once you reconnected battery? Otherwise you can go ahead and just clear the DTCs through MES
@@ferrisschueller3984 Thanks for the response! I didn’t but I was able to get all the dash lights to go away but restarting the engine twice after resetting the ABS through MES. Happen to find the tip on a youtube video on adding the Race mode DNA switch. Happily clicking through the paddles now! Guess there are now at least 2 17’ Giulias with the Rosso Competizione and brown interior combos I know of now ;). Grazie!
Thanks for posting. Is it safe to assume that I can install the paddles and then program them at a later time ?
I’m having a problem where I execute that the paddle shifters are now present and the next box it gives me just says “Completed” it does not tell me that I need to run a proxy alignment or anything. 17’ Giulia. Any help would be great.
Yes, I poorly explained that in the video. On the same screen, CAN Setup / PROXI Alignment Procedure, where you enabled the paddles, you will scroll to the very top and in blue, is PROXI ALIGNMENT PROCEDURE -- click on that, and then press execute
@@ferrisschueller3984 man, thank you so much I will give it a try!
my Stelvio is protected with SGW.. i can't activate the steerwheel paddles..
Speedmaster?
I have a question can this be done with a iOS MacBook
MacBooks are not run on iOS. But if you're using macOS (or OS X) you could get this done by emulating, creating a virtual machine using Bootcamp or Parallels most likely
Great video, many thanks! I have bought some used paddle shifters. Installing them will be a cool adventure! I do not believe the used parts I bought have the screws to screw them into the steering wheel. Do you have any idea if these screws are already in my car, even if I have a car without the paddle shifters? So I can just get those screws out and put the paddle shifters in there and then "rescrew" the screws? Or do you know which screws I would need to purchase for this if I do not have them? Would be very happy with an answer, thank you in advance!
The car without paddles does not come with the screws, you will need some. I wish I could tell you with confidence the exact dimensions of the screw, but there is nothing in the parts catalog that seems to divulge its dimensions
I have some on hand (only three), and they are Torx T8 and appear to be 8mm long. Not sure on the diameter or pitch of the thread.
Do you know by any chance, if car has to be on a leveled ground, when you do the proxy alignment, or it doesn't matter?
No, not necessarily. When you are performing your EPS recalibration after reconnecting the battery, that is when you will want to be on level ground.
In device manager, there’s no ports for me
Italiano perfetto ! Complimenti! Io ho una Giulia Diesel 2.2 150 cavalli super del 2017 proverò a montare le palette senza togliere il volante ! Le farò sapere altre cose che ha effettuato sulla sua giulia? Grazie ancora
Grande. Sì, con le palette è solo una questione di software. Essere in Italia forse hai sentito parlare di ENG Custom: li installano su molti Alfas in tutto il paese per i clienti. Ma puoi farlo da solo come ho fatto anche io.
Altre cose che ho fatto alla mia auto: ho disattivato il controllo di trazione / ASR abilitando "Dyno Mode" nel modulo ABS, in modo da poter giocare sulla neve. Uso anche MultiECUScan per verificare il degrado dell'olio e i dati della batteria. In realtà ho diagnosticato la mia batteria da solo e ho detto al rivenditore cosa stava succedendo tramite i dati nel BCM: è stato verificato vero e mi garantiscono una nuova batteria (raro, era anche una batteria di 3 anni). Questo mi ha permesso di risparmiare 400-500 USD.
A parte questo, non modifico molto la macchina. Ho alcuni accessori originali dal catalogo e distanziali per le ruote che sembrano belli.
@@ferrisschueller3984 Sei un genio! Volevo chiederti quale version del MultiECUScan è necessaria per reinizializzare la corsa del pistone freno posteriore con freno elettrico dopo la sostituzione delle pasticche. Grazie d'anticipo.
@@trinacryo Grazie. Se ti riferisci alla versione gratuita rispetto alla versione a pagamento (50 euro), vorrai la versione a pagamento. L'ultima versione è 4.6 e funziona bene.
@@ferrisschueller3984 Grazie mille per la rapida risposta.👍👍👍
Great video! Can you update the product links?
Thanks. I updated them. And market prices for the paddles, used, have definitely gone up since I made this video
Hi and thanks for posting this video. I'm about to do this on my 2020 Stelvio. Is it safe to assume that this can be done, if need be, in two steps. meaning installing the paddles and then programing them at a later time ?
Tom
Yep, correct.
@@ferrisschueller3984 would you happen to know the size of the torx screws that attach the paddles to the steering wheel stalk ? the paddles i bought did not come with the stalk assembly and therefore no screws...ugh
@@TomDiGiovanni not sure unfortunately. Perhaps people on the forums have discussed this before if I recall correctly. No longer have the Alfa and ended up selling it with the retrofitted paddles
Thanks
That is a great video！but i eant to know how to install front parking radar sensor.my car is giulia
Thank you for your video! I correct install all. I want to buy a new lower steering column cover and click the link it didn’t show me the correct page. How can I find it?❤
Thanks. Looks like the part is currently on backorder, that is why the link isn't working correctly. You will have to find a used one on eBay, maybe
That’s awesome man!! Any videos on how to reset maintenance lights with the MES tool?
Thanks. That is super easy. You would go to Service --> Service Interval Reset --> Adjustments and then make changes from there. If you've done an oil change during that service, you will go to Engine --> Marelli blah blah Injection --> Adjustments --> Oil change. This will get the oil degradation function back to "oil life: 100%" and it'll decrease thereon out as you use the vehicle
I will make a video on this for the future I think, if not done already. Good idea
Ferris Schueller yeah man this is literally the first video I see someone using their MES on the Giulia! Also are you in the US? I’m trying to find where to buy the MES here in the US? Thanks!!
@@thepiners6279 Check the link in my video description, you only want to buy it from the official site -- PayPal converted it to USD no problem for me. Yes, I am in the US
Great video!! Do you know if Giulia 2019 can be retrofitted using the same process? Thank you!!
Yes, just would need to use the SGW bypass.
Hey Ferris.
I have a 2017 Stelvio, I want to be bale to turn off the ESC.
Can you make a video to show how it is done in the MultiEcuScan. :)
Any shops in Florida know how to do this??
Hi,
did you remove the airbag? Actually I got the shifters and the MES equipment, but I'm not sure to remove the airbag by my own.
Hi -- No, I specifically did not remove the wheel nor airbag, it's not necessary. Instructions paraphrased from service info below
To remove wheel, have wheel straight, disconnect battery cable, remove airbag (to do this, locate the access hole in the steering wheel hub trim cover below the two vertical spokes, push flatblade screwdriver in and hold, pull off the airbag module, disconnect the harness connectors), then, disconnect the wiring harness connectors on the wheel itself, removing the wheel nut cover, throw away the wheel nut (must get a new one) and retorque to 33 ft lbs when reinstalling
@@ferrisschueller3984 Thank you for this information. I just got the information you have to remove Airbag/Steeringwheel to mount the shifters. So I try it the way you did. Do you remember the type of screws you used to mount the shifters?
@@torstenweber9072 They are Torx T8 screws
@@ferrisschueller3984 THX Ferris...I succesfully installed the peddals. THX for your support
So you can do all of this with the car completely disconnected from the battery? Also if you don’t take off the steering wheel there’s no way an airbag would go off right? So is unplugging the battery optional is what I’m asking. Thank you, doing this tonight.
Any time you are fiddling with electrical connectors or touching these things, you should always disconnect the battery. It is a very easy step that is how we ensure things like airbag deployment doesn't happen. Official dealer service procedures always begin with disconnecting the negative terminal. When you're physically installing the paddles, have the battery disconnected. Obviously when you are using MES and enabling them (software), the battery is reconnected of course
Thanks
do you have any guide on how to install the SGW bypass plug? I'm confused and dont know how to install them.
Much appreciated!
Yes, for Giulia or Stelvio? Giulia is a bit easier, it looks. I have personally done neither.
For Giulia, the official method is to remove the front seat (for space, I would assume), remove instrument panel silencer panel, left side knee airbag (I think you can leave it, IMO), release the fastening stud on the air duct to move it out of the way, then you reach near the steering column to find the SGW module which has two wire harness connectors. You take those two connectors and plug them into the SGW bypass plug and there you go. For service requiring diagnostic scan tool in the future, leaving the bypass plugged in causes problems. You will want to disconnect the bypass plug and return it back to stock once no longer needed
@@ferrisschueller3984 thanks for the guide! Just a quick question: is it okay for me to leave the plug on all the time? Or do I HAVE to remove it to make the giulia back to normal?
@@reftwong7968 No problem. You probably want to disconnect the bypass plug for future service. Basically, if you ever take the car to an authorized Alfa Romeo dealer (or other brands within FCA network), they will use Micropod II or some type of J2534 scan tool for diagnostics, and through wiTECH 2.0, FCA authenticates use of that scan tool for the technician with the vehicle. If the bypass is plugged in, there is probably an authentication error of some sorts that would not allow them to access the modules with their tools. I recall it's been a problem noted on some forums and groups
@@ferrisschueller3984 thanks a lot for the info man! Appreciated!
I have removed my steering wheel and put it back. I'm 100% sure that I put it back correctly (allignment). But now the the steering wheel isn't 100% in the centre when I drive. How to fix this? Does it have something to do with steering wheel angle reset in MultiEcuScan?
Did you turn the steering wheel lock to lock, then dead center, then ignition off once you reconnected the battery? A common problem is that people do this procedure on ground that is not level -- it needs to be perfectly level, tire pressures correctly inflated, etc. You do not need to do anything with the steering wheel angle reset in MES for this procedure.
@GANG SHEN, I am getting emails that you've asked where to buy the paddle shift assembly, but they never appear in this comments section.
Ebay is a good bet, but also parts.moparonlineparts.com/alfa-romeo-parts-genuine-alfa-romeo-module-steering-column-6kd43lxhaa?parent=1001 -- updated link.
Hi 👋🏻 great video!
Do u know if i can enable paddles and do proxy alignment only with ELM327 Bluetooth?
(i haven’t Blue or Grey cables)
THANKS
Hi -- thank you
No. Firstly, the Bluetooth diagnostic lead will not work, you need the wired version, and secondly, you will need to use the blue/grey adapters for completing a proxy alignment, as well.
Thank you
Nice job. Please can you send me a link for the paddles?
You either buy them used on eBay, or purchase the entire assembly via a distributor, such as this one
parts.moparonlineparts.com/p-genuine-alfa-romeo-module-steering-column-6kd43lxhaa
Thanks for the video! Do you know where I can get the steering column lower cover the link in the description doesn’t work anymore. Thanks
Sorry the link went away, they changed the URL.
parts.moparonlineparts.com/alfa-romeo-parts-genuine-alfa-romeo-shroud-steering-column-6cv10lxhaa?parent=1001
Here is the same parts distributor, same part/part number -- new url -- updated description as well
Best regards,
Thanks! it works now, I’m buying all the stuff to retrofit my Giulia as well
@@lewiscalderon8972 Great. Let me know if you need help setting up MultiECUScan or anything else. I use the paddles all the time now that they are fitted
@Ferris Schueller Thanks a lot! I have a 2019 Giulia so I would need to install the bypass to make it work right? But what if I take it to the dealer after I install the paddles do you think they can enable them for me?
@@lewiscalderon8972 they need to change the sales codes which they might not be willing to do, or not know how to. It is easier DIY, the dealer shouldn't really get involved with this
That's not the whole process, i'm afraid. There are two black philips screws that go through the large holes on the padles, the stalk assembly and fasten behind into something. They are already there holding just the stalks. You need to undo and reinstall after adding the paddles. Then also add the T8 screws you mention.
There is no way you can do this with the wheel on tho. To remove you need to poke something into the hole on the back of the wheel to release the airbag, then undo connectors and then there's a 24mm nut.
I see. I've bought and sold 5 or 6 sets of the paddle shifters with the indicator stalks and clockspring and not once seen what you describe. Usually I have to remove a few extra screws, but it's been a while and I forget where. I guess they get removed when removing from a vehicle? These screws are fastened somewhere in the steering column area, to the vehicle, not the switch assembly?
I have the factory service manual and see that the SCCM is one unit and not meant to be separated so I don't see any info on it. Of course for the purpose of retrofitting, we separate it. I've had the paddles mounted to the car since October 2019 and they've not come loose or anything. So I don't think the 2 black screws you speak of are as critical as using each of the four T8s. I did not want to remove the airbag and wheel if possible.
I'm struggling with a blueTooth elm327 trying to connect it with my Alfa 159 , they won't connect. I' try an older one v1.5... my plan is to calibrate the clutch (is a selespeed)
Hi David,
Chances are you need a wired ELM 327 cable, in my opinion, the Bluetooth won't work. But I have no personal experience with the 159 (never even seen one in person unfortunately, let alone worked on one)
@@ferrisschueller3984 Thank you, I'll get the wired elm317 first then as you are the second person to point that. ;)
Hi ! Fantastic video.... I have a question 🙄❤️ why do you need coloured cables? On that web site there are many types of connectors ,many colours... with gray and blue can you access every functionalities of MES software ? Many thanks!,!
Hi, thanks for the comment. The blue and grey adapter cables are what's needed to access every module with the Giulia and Stelvio in MultiECUScan, but the program works for many other Italian cars. The other colored cables are often used for Fiat vehicles. Since I do not have a Fiat, I did not need to buy anything other than the blue and grey
Ferris Schueller perfect! Many many thanks
Grazie della risposta ma occorre cambiare anche il devio luci? Si può montare anche senza togliere il volante?
Non è necessario cambiare gli indicatori di direzione / tergicristalli (si scusa se tradotto male, dagli Stati Uniti) - e no, non è necessario rimuovere il volante. Avrai solo bisogno di strumenti più piccoli per raggiungere le viti, è stretto
So the only screws I need for installing the paddles are the t8 screws?
Yes
@@ferrisschueller3984 thank you!
do all alfa romeos come with the connector that is taped off with the brown tape? even 2019’s?
Honestly can't confirm, but I believe so, should be part of normal wiring harness. Are you trying to install yours, and don't see it?
I finally purchased some paddles but can not find where to purchase a lower cowl. Says out of stock/discontinued.
Do you know if anywhere?
Thanks
That part is currently backordered due to supply issues these days (like everything else)
It appears there may be one for sale on eBay, used (link below)
www.ebay.com/itm/154563636500?hash=item23fcb5ed14:g:oUcAAOSwItBhEYMk
@@ferrisschueller3984 This part would be the same for the Stelvio?
@@19mati67 I believe it does work but the Stelvio specific p/n is 6NG04LXHAA. The Stelvio version is a little longer. Some have used Stelvio cowls in the Giulia for example.
did this workout long term without issues?
Correct, never any issues. The car has been back to the dealer for normal servicing/updates to various modules too, never a problem with the retrofitted paddles.
Great video thank you does it matter if pedall Shifter is from RWD because mine is AWD
Thanks. Nope, not at all. Mine were from a Giulia Quadrifoglio. It doesn't even matter Giulia/Stelvio specific either, they should all be the same parts across the Giorgio platform in this regard.
@@ferrisschueller3984 thank you brother much appreciated and again thank you for this great video
@@ferrisschueller3984 me again quick question do I need SGW BYPASS PLUG
@@iggyiggy2641 What mm/yy is the car? Open driver's door, look at the sticker. If it is "2/18" -- Feb '18 -- or later, you will need it
@@ferrisschueller3984 got it it's 11/17
Hi! Do you mind if I can borrow the cable from you? I'm in TX, need to code the DNA-R selector in my 17 Q2.
I respectfully decline, the cables can be purchased from iDiagnostics as they are in stock for ~$35 after conversion. Link below
idiagnostics.co.uk/product/11
@@ferrisschueller3984 No worries! Did you remember how long it took for you to receive it?
@@samuelliu4933 About 2 weeks is the norm I think. UK ships reasonably quickly compared to others, for international. I buy stuff from Italy a lot and it takes 1-2 months these days
@@ferrisschueller3984 Do you think that other Elm 327 devices would do the job? I already have an older version.
@@19mati67 Other ELM327 interfaces can do the job, if they are designed for compatibility with Alfa/Fiat/Lancia vehicles usually. On a lot of cheap knockoff ELM devices, there are resistors and capacitors on the circuit that work in a way that makes the device incompatible with Alfa/Lancia/Fiat vehicles which causes problems, long story short. I am not an electrical engineer so I just made sure to buy an ELM 327 interface known to work.
Conosco benissimo Eng è il migliore! Quando farò il lavoro te lo dico! Cosa ne pensate della giulia in America?
Giulia negli Stati Uniti è fantastica. I nostri modelli "base" sono i 280cv 2.0 4 cilindri con AT8, che è un ottimo propulsore. La gestione è incredibile. La nostra rete di rivenditori non è la migliore, e manca la conoscenza del marchio nonostante la sua storia. Vedo circa 1 Giulia o Stelvio al giorno, che vivono in un'area urbana.
Salve complimenti è difficile montare le palette? Digito dall Italia
Ciao Alessandro
A mio avviso, montare le palette non è troppo difficile. La parte più difficile era avere gli strumenti corretti delle dimensioni corrette, se non si desidera rimuovere il volante. Se riesci a rimuovere il volante, è molto più semplice.
Could you do it for me
Bene sono contento da italiano ma soprattutto perché è veramente una macchina unica nel suo genere la guida è una cosa eccezionale hai gli interni uguali ai miei con cosa curi la pelle?
Ho l'interno in pelle marrone chiaro e uso Lexol ogni 6 mesi circa, dopo una delicata pulizia con un panno umido per rimuovere eventuali detriti. Se ricordo bene, solo il coperchio della console centrale e le parti su cui ti siedi (i sedili) sono in pelle, mentre il resto (come i lati dei sedili) è in finta pelle. Non ho il cruscotto in pelle però
can u talk about total price？
For me, total was about $390 all in.
@@ferrisschueller3984 where i can purchase the padel
@@koreyoshiyt9946 US p/n 6KD43LXHAA at authorized Alfa Romeo dealer, or eBay for used. Explained in video and links in description provided.
When I try to execute the proxy alignment it fails
Are you using the same cables as me? Try restarting your computer too
Ferris Schueller yes I have the same exact cables and I programmed them but now my check engine light is on and my odometer is flashing
@@Ian-zu9pn Yeah the flashing odometer just means the BCM has sent a proxy configuration code that the networks don't agree with. This prompts a DTC to pop up (in your case, the CEL). If three ignition cycles don't clear it, I would attempt the proxy alignment again. The flashing odometer is the telltale sign of a proxy configuration discrepancy, but your mileage won't be affected (in case you were concerned)