Accident Case Study: Lake Renegade
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2020
- Link to certificate of completion and ASI transcript: bit.ly/ACSLakeRenegade
On July 27, 2017, a Lake Renegade amphibious aircraft arrived at the Oshkosh seaplane base for an afternoon during AirVenture week. After a brief stay, the pilot became anxious to load his two passengers and depart. Due to choppy water conditions on Lake Winnebago, the seaplane base staff repeatedly warned the pilot of the danger of taking off on high waves. The pilot ultimately chose to depart, which resulted in a fatal crash while attempting to get airborne.
In this accident recreation from the AOPA Air Safety Institute, we follow the events of the day and seek to understand the circumstances that led to this ill-fated takeoff.
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"If your day is beginning to sound like an ATSB report, stop what you're doing right now"
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“Pilot became argumentative...”
@@Bankable2790 "You can't stop me from leaving with my aircraft."
"No, but that buoy your aircraft is tied to can."
You'd think that part would be at least a little humbling.
So never fly?
@@Bankable2790 "Won" the argument, lost his life..As well as that of someone else'
Everyone on that dock could see the NTSB report unfolding. Short of chaining the plane up, they did everything they could to save him from himself.
Exactly what I came here to say. His ego got him killed. Too bad he betrayed the trust of an innocent passenger and took them with him.
Maybe they could have pulled the passenger aside and reiterated just how dangerous it was, and did she want to stay back and they'd help her find another way home? (Easy to say in retrospect, of course).
It make me wonder how he got someone to tow him out.
The two fatalities do rest squarely on the PIC, but as an A&P, I hope I would've also recognized the death wish and refused to make the airplane airworthy, and to encourage any other A&Ps he might call to do the same. Sometimes A&Ps need to look past the airplane and ask themselves if they really want to get that phone call from the FAA, even if they aren't at fault.
Yup. That’s why there was the photos of the incident. They helplessly looked on as this macho idiot was casted for the starring role of this video.
I drove trucks for over 40 years. If I felt like things were not going to "work out" at that moment, I parked until I felt safe enough to put 40 tons on the road. I went my entire career without a chargeable accident.
Ive been trucking for 5 years and counting. If i have 3 other truckers and 2 random dudes telling me that my idea is bad, ima re-evaluate my thinking.
I was a janitor for many years. If I felt like things were not going to "work out" at that moment, I leaned the mop against the wall till I felt safe enough to put 4 pounds back on the floor. I went my entire career without a chargeable accident.
@@TheCabledawg1 😅
@@TheCabledawg1 Underrated comment. No matter how many likes it gets. 😂
New title "Stubborn Boomer Gets Grandkids Killed"
"Why don't you just get a room and stay the night?"...."I'd rather die". Well, there ya go.
I hear that!
@@d.t.4523 MIne didn't have audio? (grimace - levity).
That wasn't a poor decision...that was a 'You're not going to tell ME how to fly a plane' stubbornest. What a preventable tragedy.
So true... I now fly a desk but it is so evident in so many other jobs. Can’t believe I am part of that BOOMER age group that 99% of the time are arrogant and declare they know it all. Such BS attitudes that unfortunately killed his passenger. So preventable. So Sad.
The starting to taxi while still attached to the buoy was a "This is a lighthouse. You move to port" moment. That would have gotten me out of the aircraft at least until the next day, even if the weather was fine and the aircraft was airworthy and everybody on the ground was confident it was an easy takeoff.
Danni anti authoritarian mindset
"that was a 'You're not going to tell ME how to fly a plane' stubbornest."
Reminds me of: Don't tell me to wear a mask!
@@johncatty6560 Masks are a sign of subservience and fascism, they don't do shit for stopping viruses.
It's amazing he lived long enough to become an old pilot.
I suspect becoming an old pilot made him the way he was.
@A Captain thank you: that was the mantra I was thinking of. Pax
We took Granddaddy's car keys away at that age, tbh. ❤
Well he wasn’t the classic
‘Old and Bold’…
More like…
‘Old and Belligerent’
Wisdom comes with age. Sometimes age comes all by itself.
Arrogance and ego comes with age a lot more than wisdom does.
Love it!
I was there when this happened. It was heartbreaking watching people on shore rush to boats to help. Fantastic well made video and I hope people learn valuable lessons so this doesn’t happen again.
Is it only me ? But didn't anybody notice the left elevator trim in the FULL UP position in all the videos?
Do you know what the cause of death was? Impact? Were they wearing shoulder harnesses? The plane was still intact and I'm surprised this crash was fatal.
SAR must have been waiting for him. Everyone could see this was going to happen except the pilot.
Did anyone talk to the passenger to let them know of the risks they were about to take?
@@Austinmediainc Whiplash
It’s not how many hours you have that make you safe...but how you handle the next hour ahead of you.
As a non pilot, I often think, why the hours of flight are so many times stressed? I ride motorcycles for years. Not until I hung around tracks and got a racing license, did I realize I was operating the bike incorrectly for years.wish I knew then, what I know now!
Finally someone came out and said it. So true.
The hours behind you mean nothing if you leave no more room for any ahead... Sad and avoidable deaths. A reminder, that everyday is indeed a school day.
This is so true.
It’s amazing to hear that so many high hour and very experienced pilots wind up dead because of basic errors.
I would imagine this pilot flew for a major airline, and perhaps had military experience beforehand. He would have encountered a lot of different situations, but he would have had support from a CO, captain, dispatch, and volumes upon volumes of manuals and SOPs and top notch training.
Maybe he felt that he was good enough to make decisions on his own? Maybe the leash broke and he was unable to restrain himself without an actual authority figure above him telling him to stop?
Complacency and overconfidence can affect us all, and we must always be on guard. I always take stock of risks and if there are too many of them all at once... I scrub the mission. He had a leaky float, a missing panel, bad weather, inexperience in this type of aircraft, several mistakes as a result of haste that foreshadowed forgetting a critical checklist item, and the irritability that results from too much stress or fatigue.
Very well put. 😉👍👍
This guy was determined to get killed; too bad he took a passenger with him
Why do you think he was foresaw that? Its seems moreso a case of "don't question the caption" pompousness that in retrospect shoulda been called out..
@@akeemlawrence9750 He was the only one at the base that day who didn't see it.
@@dpeasehead I think we're saying the same thing but just getting there different ways. Yes, he was blinded by his own arrogance but im sure he genuinely thought he could pull it off. Sad nonetheless.
Using the Swiss Cheese Model and the study of failure as a point of reference is not something most going along for the ride have a concept of. So, while Individuals dealing with high stakes failure scenarios might see the impending failure and run like hell the average passenger, likely not. Now why the CFI did not throw out the safety flag and run like hell.... That is an interesting question.
@@akeemlawrence9750Complacency killed him. This can't have been the first time he'd disagreed with objective advice, as so many people spent so much time trying to talk him out of this. It hadn't killed him in the past when he ignored such advice, so he knew it wouldn't kill him this time.
How’d the passengers agree to get on this plane is my question. I can’t imagine watching an incompetent pilot go all 5 year old mode and then decide, “Yeah, he knows what he’s doing.”
I love this series. I’m not a pilot at all and don’t want to be. But I learn so much sobering life lessons from these videos. And the narrator is amazing, as well as the rest of the channel. Thank you so much!
Yes, truly baffling.
If I was a passenger and I heard 5 people say that it is not safe to take off..... I'd party that night and catch a ride with someone else.
@@dagmastr12heck if I heard like two people say it’s not safe I wouldn’t get in the plane.
If the passengers had no idea about aviation and the dangers.. And, let's pretend they might have even been intoxicated enough for the "trust me flight".. That is kind of understandable.. The CFI has NO EXCUSE.. Not sure why it is confusing about passengers..
WOW! I am a former US Navy aviator, flight instructor, and Alaska air taxi pilot, former owner of a Lake Buccaneer (4 seater). I have to wonder how the pilot ever accumulated 33,000 hours of flight time with an attitude like he demonstrated. Really hard to believe he could have ignored so many red flags and the advice of so many experienced pilots trying to look out for him.
He owned an aviation business since I believe the 1950's. So provided CFI, crop dusting, etc. You can log a ton of hours over that time. They may not all provide relevant experience. I was surprised he wasn't instrument rated despite that huge number. Maybe he got lucky over and over. Or maybe something changed. Mental deterioration. He seems to have been held in high regard (is in the Minnesota Pilot's Hall of Fame). Very sad for all.
@@JP-vs1ys Right. Not saying that this is the case but I wouldn`t even be surprised if the hours werre forged, simply because it is a well-known issue amongst pilots to hasten qualifications for jobs.
With 33k hours, he must have thought he was god.
@@encinobalboa That's exactly the issue. 33,000 hours is an unbelievable amount of flight time. There's no doubt he was skilled, but the arrogance that he paired with that was ridiculous here. This was basically a suicide and a murder.
The 33,000 hours actually worked against him. Some pilots think that with enough hours you gain magical immunity from the laws of physics.
The superior pilot uses their superior judgement to avoid the need for their superior skill
I hadn't heard this before but dang it's good
Could not have said that better. Training and superior skills are gold. Yes having them lets you avoid using them. No one else was interested in trying to take off and even tried hard to stop him. that is why they are alive and he, unfortunately, took innocent lives with him. Like Beau said... Superior judgement trumps all else.
I'll have to give that a try.
I love the Kings.. :) (Is that where you heard it, too?)
That was the first thing taught in ground school...the very first lesson...thanks Beau
*There is an old Nordic proverb that seems to fit this idiocy:*
_"If 4 sober men tell you that you had too much drink; maybe you should lie down for awhile"._
Hah, that's awesome. I've had this thought kind of but this conveys it very well.
Even if you're sober.
Another one: _If 10 people say you have a tail, sooner or later you have to turn around and take a look._
@Coma White Really take notice?
that’s awesome!
For those talking about flying hours , read this .
Whilst still young I was fortunate enough to have been on many commercial flights and as such flying never bothered me , until that is , I spent the summer with my uncle.
He had a small single engine plane and I was eager for him to take me out in it .
The morning was cloudy but my uncle agreed to take me out.
As soon as we took off I realised that this was nothing like commercial flying , the little plane was getting flung about this way and that way . I wasn’t sure wether this was normal or just bad piloting , I was going to raise the issue with my uncle but fate stepped in , there was a loud bang and then suddenly the engine went quiet . I could tell that my uncle was worried as we started to lose altitude , he glanced at me and said ,
“Don’t worry son I’ve got plenty of flying experience “, in an attempt to keep me calm, I however replied in a manner that only comes from a young mind, I said,
“Uncle, you might have plenty of flying experience but how much experience do you have in crashing”
My Uncle calmly replied ,
“I tell you what son, ask me that question again when we are both back on terra-firma “
The ground was rushing up to us quickly and were barely over the tops of the trees, he told me to brace myself and I can remember thinking ,”This is going to hurt”,
Miraculously though my Uncle managed to set the wounded plane down in a small clearing, I didn’t even realise that we were on the ground safely , I was still hyperventilating waiting for the inevitable “bang, Crash, Wallop”.
My Uncle looked at me and said,
“Flying experience , loads , Emergency Landings , one , crashes , Zero “, we then both burst out laughing . It wasn’t until later that he told me that he only had partial control of the plane as some engine parts had ripped through the plane.
This event never left my mind every time I boarded a commercial flight after that and something my Uncle told me was always in the forefront of my mind ,
“It’s not how much flying experience that makes a pilot but how much experience he/she has of things going wrong”.
Lastly, I recently hired a small plane so that I could scatter my dear Uncles Ashes into the clouds that he so dearly loved , I said to the pilot “How many crashes have you had”,
He paused and then said, “None that were actually my fault”, he looked bemused when I replied “You will do”.
RIP Uncle .
Full power within 2 seconds of start - yeesh. Welcome to Angry Geezer Airways
"Welcome aboard. Your flight will reach a height of 6 feet & last a several seconds."
Yep...absolutely no runup checks...on a single engine aircraft too.
OK Boomer Airlines
@Damen Ted The PIC bears the burden and all responsibility for the safe operation of the aircraft regardless of the circumstances. This accident occurred due to improper adherence to the standard operational rules for this aircraft and generally accepted guidelines of Aeronautical Decision Making. The pilot had a difficult day, was angry, and clearly distracted. Under those circumstances he should have relieved himself of the duty to fly as he clearly wasn't able to make rational decisions at that moment. Sadly, his lack of clarity cost not only his, but others their lives. His inability to maintain focus on the task of flying the aircraft was a major gap in this pilots competence. It is an undisputed fact that most accidents are the result of a chain of events and/or decisions that lead to a failure to aviate. Unless a catastrophic failure has occurred, most flights have the capability to terminate without loss of life - as pilots we train and hope to deal with difficult challenges in a manner that at, the very least, leads to the safety of all on board and on the ground.
@@1compaqedr8 Do you know how run-ups are done in a sea plane? You pitch up so that the tail of the plane digs into the water and the drag allows you to check the mags and what not at a normal run-up RPS setting. Seaplanes don't have brakes so this is how they do run-ups on the water. Of course, I don't know if this guy did a runup or not but that's what it seems like he was doing when he added power after leaving the dock.
The friggin harbor master warned THREE TIMES said "hey you are stilled MOORED by rope to the dock" what an unfortunate fatality by thickheadedness.
and the sad thing is people will say he was a good man, a good pilot, and loved life and flying. which I say is the total opposite on all accounts. was an arrogant asshole,who murdered his passenger.
@@ejdiii333 "...he died doing what he loved."
Having to tell someone you're still tied up whether it's a boat or plane is a bad sign...
@@michaelmccarthy4615 And worse he got his passenger killed too and injured his Copilot. You can risk your own life but do not risk other's with yourself. I just wish there was a way to read their minds - was the man in a hurry? The passenger? The co-CFI did not seem in a rush but too weak to speak up against a strong minded determined pilot.
@@sacuW9ep ...he died doing what he loved. Killing an innocent person.
Grew up in NH...these lovely seaplanes frequent various New England lakes. Was lucky enough to ride in them... one pilot described them in colorful terms: Most dangerous plane he ever flew, worst boat he ever sailed and the most fun he ever had.
Condolences to all who lost loved ones.
I would've also talked directly to the passengers to explain the danger. The Anti-Authority, Macho, and "Get there itis" attitude by this pilot is incredible. Even worse, the CFI in the right seat was "ok" with continuing the flight as well. Lack of checklist procedures, listening to sage advice from several others, etc. Another PREVENTABLE accident that ended in tragedy. Sad.
They might have done, but the kind of "friends" an overbearing person like this has, will follow against their better judgement.
Yeah I was wondering too if the passengers were made aware how seriously dangerous the situation was, I guess we'll never know.
It sounds to me like the right seat CFI has some culpability here, and he may not have been forthcoming in the interviews afterwards. How about "ABORT!"?
I was wondering this too. It sounds like loads of people had long conversations with the pilot about the dangerous conditions, did anyone have similar conversations with the two other people getting in the plane? They also should have had the chance to get a place to stay for the night and a flight home with someone else.
If I had been a passenger on this flight, I would have appreciated having the danger explained to me as well, so I could make my own determintation whether I wanted to continue on with this guy on that day.
I remember being at Oshkosh when this happened. My instructor said to me years ago when I was a student that when the moment you think you know it all that plane will turn around and bite you in the ass. That has stuck with me through all these years. This particular situation was totally careless and reckless on the pic.
Back when I drove truck I had a trainer tell me the day I thought I knew everything was the day I better turn in my keys because somebody was going to get hurt. Those are very true words. Every day on the road I found myself in a situation I had to think my way out of. Your never to old to stop learning something new.
Macho, anti authority, impulsivity, invulnerability, resignation (CFI passenger), this case has got them all. RIP to the other passenger.
I remember during my instrument rating, a CFI friend of mine allowed me to take a ride with him, for him and his commercial student(who was also a friend of mine). When he was doing the passenger briefing, he told me that “just because you’re in the back, doesn’t mean you’re not still a pilot. If you see anything that could cause harm to the airplane don’t be afraid to point it out.” As cringy as it is, even on commercial jets, I’ll sometimes do a quick inspection of whatever wing I am looking out of, if for anything to see if there’s anything that I know for sure is out of place(youtuber phlydaily actually had a scenario where he did this and caught something that would have been chatasthrophic). It gets me in the habit of always watching out for things even when I’m not flying,
A&P here. I do the same thing.
How would one convey the issue to the flight crew? I was on a commercial flight where they didn't extend the flaps until RIGHT BEFORE the takeoff roll. I was frantic the whole time we were taxiing but didn't know what to do.
Lisa Murphy you simply scream „no flaps! No flaps!“ Cabin crew can contact the cockpit immediately. Catching something like that could have saved Spanair 5022. (BTW, if cabin crew does not react: unbuckle and get up.) There is a big BUT to the above: No flap takeoffs are possible and perfectly legal in some Airbus, Boeing, etc. airliners. So in the end you might end up being responsible for aborting a takeoff of a properly configured aircraft which most probably result in at least a ton of paperwork. So unless you are sure the aircraft you are on is not capable of no flaps takeoff, it‘s going to be a hard descision on what to do.
Is there a video about the phlydaily situation?
From the aircraft he described tho, it was actually normal. The md-80 series control surfaces are not hydraulically powered, they use control tabs, which require airflow. The ailerons would of returned to the neutral position on take-off.
I've only watched half of this video and I can say that if I was a passenger and heard what all of the other people said and the pilot STILL was stubborn and wanted to fly, I'd tell him to go on without me. I'll find my own way back.
It wasn’t clear to me if the passengers were aware of everyone telling the pilot not to go.
Some “strong willed” guys take any resistance as a challenge to their authority - more resistance causes more of an absolute need to continue.
Those people usually are best delt with (assuming you can easily tell they don't have a gum on them) by whispering a threat into their ear to make them hostile and then using the bear spray you have on you to put them on the ground. Works great at the gas station when people won't stop smoking while pumping gas. Then we get them taken away by police as on security cam they assaulted me after I was just trying to enforce the safety rules. The amount of fires I have to put out from idiots filling up gas canisters with a black and mild in their mouth and then we have to shut the whole gas station down and call for an ambulance because they set themselves on fire astounds me. Bear spray burns for a while, gasoline flash fires permanently disfigure you
Yes…but imo this guy was dealing with dementia or something age related. There’s no way he was this cavalier with safety during a 33K hour lifetime. Would’ve been killed 100x over.
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@@33moneyballYeah I feel like he was having some kind of health issue or was under a lot of stress due to something else going on in his life.
This is what happens when you have a bad case of 'Get there-itis' mixed in with a massive ego and lack of experience
This seems way worse than average 'Get there-itis'
i knew some bozo would chime in with the overused "get there itis" phrase....just as suspected someone did lol
@ Mark F.
It’s not overused if it’s accurate. There’s absolutely no other reason that pilot wanted to depart, and in a hurry.
Completely wrong attitude.
lack of experience? tens of thousands of hours. Ego proved more strong than experience.
Not a pilot but I really enjoy these for whatever reason. Thank you.
Same here.
You should try gliding. I hear it's awesome.
You should try wing suit flying. It’s a ton of fun.
Poor decision? That is a very generous recounting of events.
As a college kid with a PPL who flies his friends around all the time, that last line hits me so hard...
When the air ops manager told the pilot not to takeoff due to choppy water I Immediately knew where this video was heading.
The arrogance of many older high time pilots is staggering and dangerous... they think they know it all. I'd rather fly with a training kid in many instances. They'll usually make better 'no fly' decisions.
This was a relatively low time pilot though. 30,000 hours is like barely any flight time.
@@sloth6765 for airline pilots, but for general aviation it's a lot imo
@@rer-cilantro4008 I think he was being sarcastic... just a little.
That's around 3 5 years of your life in the air. Life goals...
@Tomias Thexder
RE: "I'd rather fly with a training kid in many instances. They'll usually make better 'no fly' decisions."
Not necessarily. JFk Jr. had only recently gotten his pilot's license and was only rated for VFR (visual flight rules). He took off in weather that was marginal at best and he found himself "boxed in" by fog and low light conditions.
"The official investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) concluded that Kennedy fell victim to spatial disorientation while he was descending over water at night and consequently lost control of his plane. Kennedy did not hold an instrument rating and therefore he was only certified to fly under visual flight rules. At the time of the crash, the weather and light conditions were such that all basic landmarks were obscured, making visual flight challenging, although legally still permissible."
Reference: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_Jr._plane_crash
This announcer's voice scares me, because whenever I hear it I know there's trouble ahead.
During my time as a general aviation mechanic before working for the airlines, people that owned this particular aircraft were hands down the most difficult and hard headed to deal with. I wonder why......
Knew a guy, can confirm. Stubborn and often dumb as they come.
I know a guy at the local airport I fly at who flies the Buccaneer…wonderful bloke and definitely not this type of guy
Dear Lord, what the heck? Not just this guy, but all three had to be a bit loony. If I saw that flack between a harbormaster and others discouraging flight, as a passenger, I'd be like, "Um, yer batshit crazy, I'm staying here."
Yeah, sometimes I think it might be more effective to try discourage the passenger then the pilot, but I can see how it could be perceived as a bad etiquette and if you have to work with that pilot it would make relationships really unpleasant...
Inverted Narcissism... look it up.
This is just a guess but the female passenger was likely the wife of one or the other of the pilots. As such, she probably wouldn’t have had much say in the outcome of two guys whose common sense was trumped by too-big egos.
The fact that they towed him out was amazing. They should have just said, no thanks.
@Brisdad53 it's not about authority. Its about just not doing it.
@@freepilot7732 Sometimes you have to take a stand and worry about "authority" and the consequences of overstepping it later. If I understood the risks he was taking with a load of passengers, and I towed him out anyway, I would feel very bad about it even if I wasn't considered or held liable for it.
@@dpeasehead that's what I meant. I think how I replied was confusing. I meant that the boat operator should have just not done it. That's what I meant. Its not about the "not having the authority" to say no to the pilot. It's the point the towing should just not have been done I'm tnt first place.
Actually, they do have the "authority". They own the boat.
Tim McCoy here wife's account.
Boat won't start. Shucks.
I own a LAKE-4-200 and have over 300 hrs in it. I live in Beaufort SC and landed once in one of the rivers here. Upon takeoff approached the spot where two rivers came together. 2 foot waves and had to really use my skills to get her out. Iwas taught very well and bounced several times, Made it out safely, but was another learning experience. Word of wisdom, full flaps and drive it onto the waves. Did not soil my britches. N32DQ
The pilot dealing with the mooring reminded me of a flight instructor I dealt with years ago. He was very haughty and had a bad attitude. I had just tied down and was walking into the terminal when I saw him start his engine. I noticed that the nose wheel was still chocked with those steel heavy duty "you ain't goin' nowhere" chocks. I motioned to shut down and pointed at the nose wheel. He shut down and opened the window and asked me what the hell my problem was. I said, "I'd like to remove the chocks for you." He said, "I'd like you get the hell away from my airplane." He restarted and I just stood there and watched him apply power and go nowhere. He had to shutdown and glared at me as I laughed at him. He stormed around to the front of the plane and removed the chocks. We could all use a little humble pie here and there; it's not a contest.
If I saw a pilot do what he did, I would never fly with them. I've actually been in that situation taxiing out as passenger, and declared I wanted out (I saw the pilots general bad attitude) - the pilot said no he didnt want to turn around, so I asked him to break to a stop. I unlatched the canopy and got out at the runup bay, and wished him "good luck".
I don't understand "Get off my lawn" types, live a happy life, enjoy other people who are your friends or are being friendly , live life to it's fullest, even if you can't afford a night's stay at Oshkosh (which they implied).
@@dabneyoffermein595 also, waterways are all public property.
@@dabneyoffermein595 If the guy could afford to fly his own plane to Oshkosh, he could afford room rate. Finding an available room, however...
@@BigBlueJake Sleep in the plane for a night. I've done worse. And if he was worried about getting a hotel room for more than one night, well...that was just piss-poor planning.
The real victim was the female passenger, the other 2 pilots were clearly told the risk they were undertaking, guess the surviving pilot has to live with this fact, not a place i would want to be in, in any way.
"Passengers put a lot of trust in the pilot's judgement"
Yeah - we passengers do. Pilots, captains, bus drivers, train drivers, taxi drivers, we put a lot of faith that the operator wont screw up.
Plus the survivor's guilt at not being able to help the others get out.
Halcyon Outlander yeah but no reason to speed up the clock.
@@halcyonoutlander2105 So I guess risk assessment and mitigation is worthless then?
She's a victim, certainly, but if she was aware of all those people desperately trying to dissuade her pilot friend from departing in those conditions, then I'm afraid even as a non-pilot she has to accept some responsibility for boarding the craft in the face of all that good sense.
Incredible production and break-down of the incident. Keep up the valuable content!
until the end when the video or re-enactment quality went to the toilet on the take-off. I reckon we're supposed to guess what happened.
I was there that day and watched the whole thing unfold. Really sad.
Did anyone ever find out why the pilot was in such a hurry ?
Was the non-pilot passenger warned directly about the danger she was in? Also, why was someone willing to tow him out?
I am shocked everyone didn't have their camera phone out.
It isn't every day you KNOW you will see a plane crash.
Those videos are so good, honestly! The production quality is on a very high level and there's always something to learn. Thank you!
These videos are critical for pilot training and safety. Thank you for turning a tragedy into something that can help others
Another FANTASTIC case study. I am so impressed by these. They are so well done, super analyses, informative, and logical. A great benefit to pilots, I would readily imagine (I'm not one). And the case studies/videos are always fascinating. I thought that the artwork even in this one was first class.
Best narrator of these documentries on CZcams
I just did my first exploratory flight in a Cessna after years of dreaming about it and Haven't been able to stop watching these videos since, I plan on watching all of them multiple times. Going to get my license for sure, thanks for posting this resource on CZcams for free!
Did you get your license
How’s it been going? Finished my written.. closing in on my ppl
Thank you for bringing this series back, the topic can be unsettling but is very educational.
I wonder if the non-pilot passenger was aware of all the concerns expressed by the locals on the decision to take off? Also, it takes an amazing amount of arrogance to think you know better than the many people who all had a different opinion of the situation.
Maybe she was the one pushing a schedule. We don't know why they were so intent on getting out of there. Plus, I think the pilot was POed about finding his plane anchored-out and not at the dock where they left it. That may have started the whole pissy dynamic right there.
@@grecco_buckliano yes, something triggered. Clearly it was 'on' between these parties. By the looks of it by time he left was raging hard as rocks. What did the group do in those few hours prior must be asked any alcohol yes or no? Did the investigation determine?
You'd think the pilots was running to get away from a couple of bike peddling Jehovah witnesses.
Bob O Pretty sure the NTSB report said no drugs or alcohol were detected, unless I’m thinking of the last ASI video I just watched. I know I thought the same thing as you and was curious.
Autopsy showed no alcohol or tested drugs in bloodstream.
These accident case studies are amazing. Thank you for providing them.
Ive watched a few of these today and they are a great reminder of why even way back in my 20s while taking lessons I was nervous about the idea of taking passengers up after I completed my license. I always understood the immense trust be placed on the PIC and how most passengers would be completely at your mercy.
The tragic part of that is not only how often pilots forget that responsibility but how often drivers do as well.
This is incredibly well made! I love the drawings! Good job, hopefully this will save lives in the future!
It's been awhile since I've seen a video from y'all in my subscription feed. I'm glad y'all are back
The production value of these videos is off the charts!
Such great content. I hope everyone stays safe but please keep these coming. Such valuable lessons.
Is there a specific reason why we’re not mentioning that the pilot was 84?
Hard to factor in exactly but obviously had something to do this crash. He essentially fought them to get his chance to take off.
DAMN
Does sound like a form of dementia.. 🤔
Wow. I saw people arguing that age has nothing to do with flying, obviously had to throw in my two cents there, but I didn’t realize he was that old. I don’t care how sharp someone’s grandpa is at 90, cognitive and physiological decline is inevitable at this man’s age
I've seen 23 year olds make decisions just as bad with similar results. Age was not the problem here, personality disorder (arrogance) was.
Invulnerability combined with a big ego... is a deadly combination.
Did you see this 3 hours ago? Clear things up
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Thank you AOPA. These videos always reinforce using safe judgement.
Miss your wonderful narration on this channel.
GORGEOUS graphics. Thanks for this from a CPL in training!
I just want to say the visuals / picture story on this one is amazing!
The Sketches and Animations are truly well done, along with the style…
I absolutely love this channel 110% keep making these great videos I’m sharing with my friends and family
Some of these pilots get so many hours they just dont care anymore.
This is a brilliant metaphor for our current times.
I appreciate these case studies...always learn valuable information from them...thank you AOPA
"So often poor decisions, easily identified in the aftermath are camouflaged in the moment" I'd say there was no camouflage in this instance. I would hope that if I was one of those guys trying to talk him out of flying that I would at least warn his passengers.
Yes! Love these!
Thank you!
These videos are such a great learning tool, I have used them test my own decisions and also the decisions of our pilots. doesn't matter how much time you have you should always be willing to adjust your decision making process based on other peoples experience. " learn from other peoples mistakes, because you won't live long enough to make them all yourself
this series is incredible
These accident case study videos are great and bring a lot of things to learn from. Hope to see more
Just like a drunk at a party, I would have taken the keys or disabled the plane in some way. I would also explain to the passengers emphatically that they WERE likely to die if take off is attempted.
Some call me a little nuts sometimes, but in this case it would have saved lives.
440 likes and zero dislikes, I can watch these all day
Thank you so much for these valuable videos! Please keep them coming.
These videos are truly excellent. Thank you.
The arrogant person is just like a drunken person, his judgement is flawed and impaired.
See the 1977 Tenerife crash.
Sounds like an old chinese proverb
He sounds like every 60+ year old former/current ATP pilot I know that owns a fancy plane like this seaplane. The infallible boomer. Horrible generation.
Early signs of dementia. I've seen it firsthand. He thought people were trying to stop him out of spite. He was extremely bull-headed and wouldn't listen to reason.
He had no business piloting that plane or even driving a car.
@@TheBandit7613 Sounds like most baby boomers honestly.
My dream plane! So sad to see someone not respect the dangers of such a unique aircraft....
..me too, but I am grateful to have learned that these Lakes aren’t quite as “dreamy” as I had envisioned.
Mine too, next to my moony 231
The production quality on these videos has improved greatly from a few years ago. Great narration also.
these are outstanding documentaries. please keep making them!
Lake Winnebago is a rough lake. I use to take my boat out there when I was 15 but never once did I ever go out if Elmer the old timer on the lake told me not to. That lake can be a beast. 28 miles long, 10'5 miles wide, 21 feet deep.
A combination of “Get-Homeitis” and “I have 33 bazillion hours. I know what I am doing”
Also 84 years old. Jesus.
Great report. Thanks.
These are so well done! Keep up great work!
The pilot was 84 years old. I wonder if senility has a part to play.
Was it joe Biden?
@@hines862009 Is he dead? 😳
Early Alzheimers will make you more argumentative if you have the tendency already.
What the heck was an 84 year old doing flying a plane? The FAA is WAY too lax on this and it costs lives.
Nah...old Joe would've listened to the experts. Now your guy would've done exactly what this guy did.
I knew the pilot personally and had just taken a ride in the EAA Tri-motor with him in the right seat a few weeks prior. He made some terrible decisions that day for certain, but please don't judge him as a person or a pilot for one terrible day. He was a great instructor and DPE and taught hundreds, probably thousands of pilots how to fly safely. I'll never forget that day. Never be too stubborn to listen to the advice of others. Especially when it's coming from multiple people and the lives of others are in your hands.
@yolanda jerginson I bet you've never flown when you shouldn't have.
What the heck would have set him off that bad if he was normally a more reasonable guy?
Well made. Good animations.
These are so powerful and well made. Please do more.
How that guy still had a medical is beyond me.
Have to wonder if early dementia was part of the equation, what with the pilots age, argumentativeness, and at times not really grasping that he was moored or being towed.
Lets not use dementia be an out for someone who has been an asshole there whole life, I worked at a museum with an 82 year old guy who told me once when a few elderly volunteers were causing all kinds of problems, that for me not to think they got this way because they are old, but that he grew up with them, and they have been working on it there entire lives. I would say this about this arrogant asshole, who refused to listen to anyone, and it resulted in him being a murderer of his passenger as well.
just my opinion but past 80 is too old, even driving.
Jeffrey Kim I disagree I knew of a pilot who is 90 and still flew pretty well
It is true that being a dickhead also takes a lot of practice. By the time someone is 80 they have mastered that craft to perfection.
@@jiggleyeff how old are you?, and when you get to 80 you will be fine so you could carry on, young mothers with children in the car can be dodgy as can middle aged office types with somewhere to go, as can youngsters driving beyond their ability, as can, as can, and the list goes on so don't pick on the elderly just because they are older than you.
Well made video! Thanks!
Great video. Well explained
Ah man, duct tape to hold the plane together? I KNEW this was not ending well
Duct tape was used to hold a piece of aluminum over a missing inspection panel. Not quite the same as using it to hold the wing on. Still, I get your point - and agree with it. What concerned me even more was the leaking float, which the pilot seemed mostly obilvious to ("Ah, I'll just drain the water out of it, that'll be OK).
If you have a CFI sitting in the copilot's seat, why wouldn't you have them act as a copilot and do things like RUN DOWN THE BLOODY LIST? That alone might have caught things like the flaps. Although, this sounded like the pilot's own hubris got in the way.
Yep, lists are good but if you are always right then you don't need them. Problem is no one is always right, hence the discipline of lists.
@@Ps119 No one's always right, especially sitting in the left seat?
the CFI was probably just sitting there shocked that all of the previous events even happened. All of the attempts to keep them from doing the impossible / improbable. It was all a big distraction and thus, a nightmare unfolding. I hope the NTSB interviewed him thoroughly. But I suspect the guy was holding back info to protect his friend (just a wild stab in the dark)
That fact that there is so much footage and photos shows how everyone knew that this wouldn't end well..
Thank you for making these videos.
Can we get some more of these? It was like four years since the last accident case study. It’s something I definitely want my AOPA dues going towards.
"I definitely want my AOPA dues going towards."
When there is the AOPA head plus the four dept directors each with an assistant director what do expect? Nice boardroom.
This is like the opposite of a mystery. You wonder how some of the other accidents on this channel would be understood if the pilot had to talk to this many people.
I really enjoy the quality of the editing in these videos
Excellent video!
Breaks my heart every time I read about bad choices by a pilot killing innocent passengers. And the passenger CFI should really have done more to help avoid the situation
High time arrogance. I have an ex Navy pilot friend like that & I will not fly with him!
That's a shame. I've 20,000 hours plus but am always suspicious and always learning!!
friendship is bourgeoisie
God bless our military and its consistent lack of desire to hold pilots accountable for mistakes and reckless behavior. Better to just wait until a pilot with a problematic background crashes a B-52 or C-17 to do anything.
NZ Salt Flats Racer I also know a high time Air Force and airline pilot that I only flew with one time. I don’t even want to be in the air at the same time
@@CIARUNSITE I know about Bud Holland in the B52 and his preposterous ill-fated wingover attempt at Fairchild AFB in 1994, but what’s the C-17 reference ?
Dude is such a great narrator. He could make paint drying suspenseful.
That's a cool way to put it. But you're right. Fantastic narration.
Amazing production