Nima King Chisau with another Wing Chun Sifu in Hong Kong
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- čas přidán 5. 02. 2019
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This is from a few years back. 99% of the time I (Nima) Chisau in a defensive way but in this clip I played the aggressor. This night Sifu Ken (the guy I'm rolling with) and I decided to step it up a bit cause the older fellas who were sitting down watching asked us to :)
Ken is a great guy and a very good all-round martial artist and has been practicing for close to 3 decades (He's a black belt in a couple of arts). He actually runs a Kung Fu school in HK 10mins from my school. His father (an old student of CST from the 80s) is his Sifu in Wing Chun and they ran a school together in America before he moved to HK 6 years ago.
Ken and I are friends and we hugged it out and had a beer after the roll. He still visits my school and spars with my guys every now and then.
Anyway found this video on an old hard drive and since there has been a few posts about doing Chisau with someone from a different lineage/style, I thought I'd post this up.
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
thanks. You too 😊
Well sifu nima , despite u got hit u still did not try to edit the parts u got hit. Truly humility from your side . I don't see many teachers out there doing that! God bless!
cheers bro :)
It was fun to watch...good job.
Thank you SifuPonce.
This was great to watch. Hardcore. Nice force and structure. Thank you for sharing.
Cheers Dave :)
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As always. It was cool to see the stylistic differences. He seemed to have unique wrist movement and elbow placement was different at times (attacked at a slightly higher plane?). I love the exchange where he tries to attack your base but you maintain your stance so well he breaks on your structure. That is NOT easy. CST would be proud. Your channel is a joy to watch. Thank you.
Yes indeed great to watch.
Definitely the takedown was effortlessly done. That's what I want to be able to do.. Move effectively and effortless.
Thanks for the support David and glad you're digging the channel :)
Yeah Chris, effortlessness is the ultimate. Not many martial artist understand or even believe that power can be generated through minimum use of brute force. But hopefully in the next decade the fake "internal" masters and styles will get exposed and the remaining ones with real skill will be taken more seriously.
Good for everyone to do Wing Chun with other schools.
June 13th Chi Sau Club opens post Covid. Surry Hills Sydney.
Getting back into it. Awesome
Mark Spence has the good oil knowledge like Nima.
Both are notable students of Chu Shong Tin.
Yep I second that. Mark is an amazing teacher of this lineage and is like an older brother to me
I like the counter to the reverse sweep, was that a choke slam you did? He deserve it by the way, well done Sifu Nima!
haha, choke slam from WWE
I think this would be better understood by people rolling with you rather than commenting on how it looks, it looks scrappy and awkward but so what, I've trained 25 years and know that looks can be deceptive, good thing with you is I've never seen you take liberties on a student to look good, neither did CST. Good on you for putting this clip up, I really enjoyed it
Cheers man. Glad you enjoyed it.
Always nice to see more dimensions in chi sau...
Yeah mate I think its necessary to raise the intensity every now and then both in Chisau and in sparring. As long as its all controlled and none gets hurt. I wasn't expecting Ken to fall down that bad. He actually just bounced off the stance but I should have held him.. Lucky the floors are soft wood :)
@@MindfulWingChun When you play the games. You kinda expect a few knocks. He seems like a good bloke and excepted it... Lol I was expecting a revenge knock back. Good stuff matey.
Awesome display on both sides did the other Sifu also study with Chu Shong Tin
Thanks for the comment Leo. Yes the other guy (Sifu Ken) is also from the Chu Shong Tin Lineage. Ken is a great guy and a very good all-round martial artist and has been practicing for close to 3 decades (He's a black belt in a couple of arts). He actually runs a Kung Fu school in HK 10mins from my school. His father (an old student of CST from the 80s) is his Sifu in Wing Chun and they ran a school together in America before he moved to HK 6 years ago.
@@MindfulWingChun I didn't know that! Cho Shu Tin was one of the best traditionalists and the oldest student of Ip Man. William Cheung was about 4 years behind him and Bruce was about 4 years behind him. That was why he was able to sweep Master King because he used the angled footwork to get to the side of his structure to break it and get the sweep.
That's great stuff!
cheers 🍻
Nina your structure is so well integrated. Just see how much the other sifu's spinal posture had flaccid tendencies.
Cheers man. This is from around 4years ago so I'd like to think that I can perform a lot better than I did in this clip. But yeah I felt in control when rolling with Ken in this clip cause I felt had control of his balance throughout. Ken is very good though and does well against other teachers of the same lineage...
Completely different skills and mind set.
Mr Nima has unbelievable control and nice ethic while not humiliating opponents by not touching palms to his face.
Opponent obviously has fire and intent to show his skills he touched his face.
It’s like while one side is minding own, other side works extremely hard to win and lose most of time.
Wing chun like other internal martial arts, it’s about power generations, maintaining power back to opponent center, chi sao is like bulls fights with relaxations and not really touching or hitting like Ipman
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Thanks for the kind words, and you have s good eye for reading the situation and intentions 👍👍
That was awesome to see.
Cheer Matt 😊👊🏼
This video is a favourite of mine.
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Wow that's cool he did look like he was also non movable with his WC maybe you can post a video with a Sifu or a very good WC practiocioner so we can see the difference between structural WC and internal WC just and idea thanks again for your time
Cheers Leo. Actually Ken IS a Wing Chun Sifu who runs a school in Hong Kong. You know its hard for people to be open to getting filmed while training with high intensity so that's why we don't usually see 2 teachers gong very hard at it. But I'm always very open to it and if you know someone I'm game. Of course I'll be very respectful and both parties need to show control so that it doesn't turn into a real fight (unless it's agreed from the start to be a fight) . Nima
Nice to see this footage sifu. Where did your partner train ? I would have thought CST’s students would be better.
Actually his dad was an old student of CST who started in the 80s. Was probably around when you visited, or maybe not as he moved to the States sometime in the 90s I believe. So he mainly learned from his dad in the States and he did many other martial arts too since childhood. He visited HK with his dad back and forth every few years and in around 2010 he moved here permanently and opened a school a year after Sigung passed.
His face is familiar but I certainly don’t believe I met him. Possibly met his father.There were only about a dozen students I met on my visits. Doesn’t matter. He could benefit from more training with yourself . Nice to watch you in action 🙂
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so intense
Hahah, it was great fun. And I believe it's necessary to go add some intensity every now and then :)
nima excellent skill dude
cheers man 👊
sifu nima it was nice that aplication of force in the take down ¡¡¡ im about to subscribe to your online school ¡¡
Thanks man. Hey if you are about to subscribe try to do it before the end of this month because we have a Easter promotion which ends at the end of the month. The promotion code is : EASTER2019 it gives 12% off all subscriptions 👍
@@MindfulWingChun thanks sifu ¡¡ i will do it ¡¡ only i have a question sifu , the online program in the future includes chum kiu , biu jee and the wooden dummy forms?
Sweet!
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If you pause the clip it 0.37 seconds and look at that guys position when he goes for the sweep he was always going to lose that one. He had to really overstretch to get he foot around and essentially broke his own structure in the process. I think I bit of ego crept in the make him go for that move. But like they say "the man who never made any mistakes didn't make anything"
Yup, it was a silly attempt to go for a takedown like that. Also the floor was a hard surface so not sure why he went for it. I think you're right re a bit of ego creeping in but it was all in good fun and am glad he didn't get hurt when he landed on the floor
That leg sweep recover was insane. Good job to both of you.
Haha, cheers mate. Your taking the time to comment is much appreciated
and up against the wall twice in a row (after he seems to show hes prepared ). No shade thrown. It looked like a great moment!
Yes it was! Sifu Ken had the better angle and was able to keep his structure while breaking Master King's.
Congrats! Great work out. However, I beg to differ with respect to the leg sweep "recover." Sifu Ken got Sifu Nima and actually stopped from going through with it, as a humble practitioner might.
Genio!!
haha, cheers!
Sooo.... I feel like this is not the point of chi-sau... My understanding is that Chi-sau is not a fight, but rather a sensitivity and reflex development drill?.... When participants start pushing this much, isn't the point of the drill lost? I appreciate the honesty in this video. I appreciate it being shared. What was actually being worked on here?
Everything you mentioned is trying to be worked on here with the addition of doing it under real pressure. Every now and then, it's good to test our chisau under this type of intensity. I would say maybe 5% of the time, the other 95% should be practiced with less intensity so that it's easier to work on the things you mentioned...
@@MindfulWingChun What are you testing? How would you apply this outside of the chi-sau environment?
@@caseynoblefitness1395 testing retaining structure under proper pressure, challenging the stance and posture under proper pressure, being able to coordinate the mass to deliver strikes, balance retention under pressure, and having fun 😊 All of these are skills needed for combat
nima tried to proof he is better and indeed he in is. The other guy just try to trade hit though i still think nima is at advantage.
It was great fun. Sifu Ken is very good as a martial artist, but he shouldn't have gone for a sweep on an internal CST Wing Chun man, hehe, jokes!
Why would you even post this?
Not sure I understand the question. But if I do, my answer is: for people to watch 2 people having some fun together...
@@MindfulWingChun And to show the differences in the two systems, one modified, the other, traditional.
I enjoy Chi sau more when its dynamic and things get a little feisty.
He went for the leg sweep and it almost looked like he bounced off you and slammed himself to the floor with his own force!
Yeah man. I didn't do much in the counter to that takedown attempt. I get why he tried cause from experience sparring with other Wing Chunners, they are usually very easy to sweep as they lock their stance and are 'rooted' to the ground. But in this lineage, we do the opposite and the result was as such :)
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That’s cool!
We can see which one is using right structure (from stance and hands when attacking the sparring friend) and semi-structure.
And here we can see the structure doesnt have any beautiful techniques or others
Wow it's a great legacy from GGM Chu Song Tin. I wish i can meet you Sifu Nima King.
Hi Kevin, thanks for taking the time to comment. And I hope we can meet one day too. Please let me know if you are ever in Hong Kong.
Stay safe 🙏🏼
He was one of the best! But Wong Shun Leung does have the best modified system and it still works on the streets, unlike Moy Yat's system or the LAUGHABLE PRINCE OF FRAUDS AND SHYSTERS, Leung Ting!!
@Thetraveller Lightbringer It's the crappy 70/30 stance instead of the much better and balanced 50/50 stance. The 70/30 stance sends your energy backward, not forward, as it should. This allows your opponents energy to over run yours and his strike, kick or take down will get through. It also means, it's real easy to jam his techniques by just stepping in..
Look at your foot work. Just watch your feet placement, do you think this is good?
Never said it was good 😅😅
Thanks for actually taking the time to comment... These things are much better felt than watched. My seminars are open to all and happy to touch hands and try chisau with anyone, anytime... Nima
@@MindfulWingChun chi said is a learning tool not a contest. As soon as it becomes a contest you lose what it was meant to be for.
@@jedi77palmer CST also said that once practitioner has reaches a certain level, they should pressure test and work on attacks. He highlighted this to be done maximum 10% of the time. This, was one of those 10% of times of our training caught on tape. We dont chisau like this all the time
@@jedi77palmer Also we dont work on 'footwork' in the CST method. we move from the Center of mass to position the body so perhaps that's why it looks very different to what you have been taught or are used too. again, this needs to be felt...
@@MindfulWingChun don't worry a lot of people disagree with my opinion of how to use chi said even at my school. I just think that trying to 'defeat' your training partner achieves nothing. No matter what your level of chi sau you can ALWAYS score a strike against your partner. This is pointless.
That blue shirt guy is just not gentleman. Trying to be funny. He deserves to be thrown by lima. GOOD JOB! LIMA
Its was all in good fun. Sometimes when the training gets intense people's egos come out, especially if its in front of other people. Sifu Ken is actually a nice guy and a friend of mine but on this occasion I think we just both wanted to raise up the bar and have a little fun. Thank you for your support mate!
@@MindfulWingChun ahh.. sorry for my rudeness and my straight-forwardness in comment.. I was taught a way to recognize fine skills through gentleness. Sifu Lima king and friends ~ you're too kind~♡ respect☆
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really bad Chi Sao - stiff limping around the room and then this throw - absolutely irresponsible to throw someone on the ground so easily but how would fighters not know that?