Chisau's BIGGEST Misunderstanding - Wing Chun's 'Forward Force'
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
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Everyone that practices Wing Chun has heard of the concept of 'Forward Force' or 'Forward Intention'. This is developed in the 1st form Siu Nim Tao and put to practice in Chisau, techniques and sparring. However perhaps some have misunderstood this concept which has led to leaning and pushing forward at the point of contact with the opponent's arm.
In this video Nima explains the difference between the common way that people work on Forward Force and the way it should be practiced. Of course there is a lot more info required in terms of the 'how to' practice and develop the correct way but this video will hopefully give students a basic guideline of what not to do and what to aim for achieving.
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The principle called Lut Sao Jet Chung which refers to a continuous forward force is not about pushing or even leaning forward but about continuous forward intent.
Indeed. Nice one and happy to see others also think the same...
I think the word force is too strong a word and can imply a rigid forward action or even pushing. This description can lead to a hard pressure which is not nearly as quick or responsive as lighter energies. Therefore, I prefer the words ‘forward energy.’ The action is light. It is just light enough to ‘stick’ to an attacker’s arms but not too light to lose touch. When the way is free, we spring forward. This is my experience with my training anyway. Can't wait to touch hands to show you.
Thansk for sharing big DT. looking forward to it too. See you next week!
Hi David. Yes that is what Nima is trying to describe, as you have described it. As you know, there are no words to perfectly describe this internal force or energy. Force implies a wilful pressure, Energy implies some mystisism that can be outside most peoples grasp if they havent experience it. Ill give it a go...... It is what it is, and that is, the bodies natural ability to protect itself. When its on, its a bit like a balloon, if someone pushes into a balloon they feel force, but I would feel this springyness that the body can absorb or bounce off. Each molecule in the balloon equally absorb some of the incoming force, but all naturally repel the force as well. The entire body can absorb the incoming force or choose to repel it . Its more like an emotion than an idea, and hence the words "force" and "energy" are debated. Sigon used the term "forward force", hence its carried through a generation. Im ok with both descripts, and I understand your point. I think for beginners its acceptable and for the more seniors its something for them to work out. What we need is the science, which isnt there yet. Nima is awesome if you get the chance to roll with him. With his skill, and passion to teach, he is the future for Wing Chun.
Very nice explanation Kev. 👌🏼
and thanks for the kind words about me. But future of the art? Feeling the pressure man! 😅
Forward Force I like it, it's like just like the force from Star Wars. May the force be with you Sifu Nima, thanks for sharing!
haha, maythe force be with you my friend
Thank you for the information as always, you have been saying to un -cramp the joints like your words exactly "the straw for your drink as long as you are pinching it with you finger the flow is interrupted." we see that concept in every move not only in Wing Chun but also in every aspect of our movement,
I really think that you need to animate the way of how to relax the joints the right position of the spine and the shoulders this would help us to check and recheck ourselves.
my pleasure. And yes I think by animating and giving analogies and visualizations at first, it will help students gain a 'feeling' of their skeleton and after that once there actual and tangible feeling there is no need for visualizations as we can work with the reality of the body directly.
Brilliant video. This is a very difficult idea to convey. Please correct me if I'm mistaken. This is what I "heard" from what you were teaching [?]. I may be wrong:
The shield is useful, but a defensive idea by nature; it "obstructs", and it more like a ball or plate. This energy often stops at the contact point.
True Wing Chun focus of force is not just a triangle but a spiral cone [a wedge on every vector]; this is how I try to describe it [feel free to correct me on this if you disagree].
First, we must learn to "place" [occupy center] and "connect" our mass [as one], but our energy should not fight force on "contact", but respond with "focus" and "pressure" [like a hose filled with water]. Sometimes focusing less on the opponent and more on attacking their center frees our bodies to respond to the "idea" force [mind directing inner energy/Chi].
The elbow [and the knee] is what transfers "weight" and mass [linear]. The wrist redirects [circles], but the elbow is the "line". So the line should always be pointed [as you say] toward their center mass, rather than the contact point. If we are truly relaxed and our "idea force" can flow through then we can strike through from any position even as the opponent attempts to break through our structure.
Is this accurate or am I missing something?
Thank you.
[Love the added idea of checking our proper structure by ensuring we are "free" to kick under pressure. I call this "splitting" force when teaching my children: each joint separate, yet "connected". Great exercise!]
Cheer David. And yeah can't disagree with anything you mentioned there and nicely summarized 👌🏼
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Thank you. Few cover this topic; it's great to see you speak of this so clearly. I appreciate it! God bless you.
Very good video and great explanation. Thank you for sharing. I hope to get your course one day to train at home with.
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Thanks Nima. Another pearl. . Did you ever ask Sigung about ground fighting or Ip Mans abilities when fighting from the ground. I had heard grandmaster Ip was as well equipped when demonstrating whilst on the ground. Of course there’s no footage to support this.
Cheers Rob. No he didn't talk about Ip's ability in ground fighting. But I did ask him about his opinion on best position when on the ground and the opponent is standing and how best to deliver power with kicks from a the ground etc. so we spent some time on all that one night.
Having started to learn BJJ now, a lot of what he was talking about is what is done in Jiu Jitsu
Very clear sir...
Thanks alot for explain...
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"...not me, but him." Haha that was good!
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I'm an idiot sometimes...
nice job ! keep up !
Cheers Seb, will do 👊🏼
Very good very well explained. Pitty other teachers dont do this.
Thanks for the kind words and glad you think so 🙏🏼
Wich school are you from? Thank you
Hi Marco. Mindful Wing Chun in Hong Kong. We also have an online school www.mindfulwingchun.online
Sifu Nima, how do you pronounce the highest level in chi-sau?
you mean in chinese? there's no particular term for it
Are you teaching a beginners class here?
yes, this was a beginner's class...
Dont work..
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