Why didn't Japan annex Siberia during the Russian Civil War? (Short Animated Documentary)
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- When Russia was divided in the wake of its 1917 revolution, the Entente powers intervened and occupied parts of the country. In Siberia, Japan sent a very large force and took control over a large chunk of it. But it didn't hang around and fully withdrew after a few short years. So why did it leave instead of trying to hold on to all of that resource-rich land? To find out watch this short and simple animated history documentary.
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The Interwar Period and latter stages of WW1 are criminally overlooked.
Agreed.
Yeah
Facts
@@Anonymouslikemydad cringe
It's frustratingly riddled with an insane amount of myths as well. Myths that are still being taught in schools today that change the entire context behind WW1 and WW2. And as per usual many of them were started by socialists, wehraboos, former German generals, and etc.
The fact that this was land controlled by the Imperial Japanese ARMY instead of the Imperial Japanese NAVY cannot be understated. The IJN/IJA rivalry was unlike any other inter-agency rivalry. At times, Imperial Japan acted more it had two empires, one controlled by the IJA and one controlled by the IJN. The 1920s saw a shift in political dominance of the IJN over the IJA, with one of the factors being continuous assassinations.
This is the most fascinating part of Japanese history.
Is there any sources, books, videos etc you can recommend on the subject?
And neither of those empires was controlled by the civilian Japanese government
This is what happens when you make the armed forces only under the monarch instead of the f***ng state
Very interesting
"The Japanese government didn't trust the army."
I'm sure that'll work itself out.
It's not like the IJA stabbed the civilian government in the back.
They shot it from the front, chopped its head off, and dared anyone to do something about it.
I'm sure the feeling was mutual.
They’ll fix that after they win the next war
also the army and the navy hated each other.
@@Raminagrobisfr With some hilarious/fortunate for history consequences
It's interesting to see how the Japanese government went from imperialistic but more cautious to hypermilitaristic and believing they could roll over Shanghai in three days.
The army was always like that, they just lost control of them
as the video mentioned, the army and the government (and the navy too) were all pretty much independent and constantly trying to one-up one another. The army in marco polo bridge, the navy in pearl harbor, and the government in it's refusal to listen to the emperor's demand to end the war
It's not like the government shifted to militarism on its own. It's more like that the army didn't obey the government and started wars on its own and murdered government ministers.
After crushing Russia in 1905 the sane Japanese military counted their enemies (and economies) and decided that they couldn't win a major war. The ultranationalists (and every country has them) said they were traitors & cowards. "Bravery & honor will triumph against any odds!". Well, we see how that worked out for them.
@@seneca983 yeah it was mainly economomic hardship and military successes in unsactioned wars that let the IJA go off the rails and the government in Tokyo was just about powerless to stop them. The way the Japanese constitution was arranged, any cabinet needed approval from the army and navy to function. If the military withheld that approval, the government would just collapse. This, mixed with the increasingly common assassinations and growing radicalism brought about by the Great Depression, led to quite a bit of militarism very fast.
Huh. I didn’t even know that they wanted to annex it. I know they invaded but not that they actually wanted to keep it. The Russian civil war and all the various factions and invading forces were wild and interesting to read about!
Я Барон Унгермен ! Я вернулся ! Вам всем п*здец ! Слава монгольской империи !
Not to mention that the Russian civil war is barely covered in most Western history books. I remember reading Eastern Approaches, and reading about a British graveyard somewhere in central Asia, from the British soldiers sent to intervene. I was like: what?!
Japan was an Imperial country in the past. It needed to expand because the Japanese mainland had little in the way of natural resources compared to it's neighbors.
And its pretty hard to run an all-expanding empire without important things like metal, oil, and rubber.
Why We Fight(produced in 1947) explains a little bit of why Japan wanted the Philippines(uranium, oil, etc) and their reasoning behind their eventual attack on Pearl Harbor. Though it has since possibly been debunked or discredited; I think it provides a very informative perspective on the matter.
Maybe I’m wrong but surely 9 times out of 10 the reason you invade somewhere is that you want to keep it? Not like they just fancy a jolly good war because they’re bored
Super interesting. My Czech grandfather was evacuated from Russia via Vladivostok in 1920. Once he reached the Japanese held territory, he was safe - for the first time since 1914.
wow, how did he go home afterwards?
Your grandfather was part of the Czechoslovak legion? The one who stole all that Russian gold? There should be a million movies about them
Was he a Czech legionare?
@@falnica Russians got their gold back, legions left without it.
@@falnica there is a movie called Admiral from 2008 about Kolchek that shows that
Now you need to make a video about the following subjects:
1. Why did the revolutions of 1848 fail in Germany and Spain?
2. Why do people drive on different sides of the road in different countries?
I also like to know the Carholic world’s opinion on the French alliance with the Ottoman Empire, especially the Pope’s.
1. It's really hard to centralize a bunch of states that dont want to be annexed
2. The British
3. Jamea Bizzonnette and Kelly Moneymaker: illuminati or rich donors?
@@plarteey1316 More like 2. Napoleon. The British just kept the pre-Napoleon system.
@@adamlakeman7240 right, but most of the countries that drive on the left side of the road have something to do with the British influencing them to do so.
Japan saved hundreds of Polish kids that were in work camps in Siberia . These were Polish families that were deported to the Russian far East by the tsar . A lot of people do not know that the Tsar built the first gulags . These kids were raised in Japanese orphanages and returned back to Poland . While Japan was cruel in many of its conquests this is one good thing they did and a part of history that many people have never heard of.
Reminds me of Putin deporting Ukrainian children to Siberia today...
Russia never changes, does it?
Poland and Japan were strong allies before the outbreak of WW2 which saw them pushed onto different sides of the war and Poland destroyed. Japan was highly critical of Germany’s invasion of Poland but didn’t want to risk losing its friendship with Germany
I love your GTA and Red Dead content, cool to see you are a history buff too!
@@chaosXP3RT I heard he deports them straight to North Korean gulags! But first he makes them hand over their washing machines which are then given to Wagner for use in their human wave tactics.
Man, Russia is so brutal and backward
@@chaosXP3RT Also the fact that he eats ukranian babies now instead of russian ones. Man, he can't keep getting away with it!
This man makes random history videos and i love it
@RmBeast then why are you even watching this video
@@MasterBomer he isn't, he just spams
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I wish lots of luck to those Norwegian scientists in finding the mythical lands of “Denmark” I believe in you !!!
Isn’t it clear that Denmark doesn’t exist? They describe the danish language as someone quote “chocking on a potato”, that’s something you hear from fairytales. It’s pretty obvious that the Norwegian scientists have been bribed by the CIA to lie about the lands of “Denmark”.
I read this as Serbia at first and got EXTREMELY confused
You are not confused becus Siberia is Serbia
Srbija do tokija
About as plausible as Red Dawn.
Fun fact: My history class was doing a roleplay on if we could revise the Treaty of Versailles(The 1919 one), and my group's roleplay character(Italy) went "We want more Austrian land."
The Japan roleplay group went "No we want Austrian land. Give it to us."
PS Germany was invited to the revision in that roleplay.
@@edwinhuang9244 that sounds a lot of fun, you could make a game out of that haha Historic strategic negotiation roleplay? players can only use facts their real counterparts actually knew at the time.
I love that you cover such underdeveloped subjects like Norways search for the fabled city of Copenhagen in Bolivia. A shame this land remains lost to time
What are you talking about
@@tahamuhammad1814 read the articles at 0:46. There is always gold when you read the articles on these videos
Thanks
And such accurate map of Japan...
Where else would Copenhagen be?
I've got a question for you history nerds out there: what are some events during the Interwar period that few people know about? I personally feel like it's an underrepresented part of history and I have been learning about stuff like the Polish Soviet War and the German Friecorps.
The Turkish War of independence is relatively untalked about by the average person
@dobi 223 Definitely. I think it's intentional though since most people don't want risk condemnation from Turkey by talking about the concurrent Armenian, Greek, and Assyrian Genocides.
@Malachi Phoniex Funnily enough, the Turks were supposed to try and execute the perpetrators of the various ottoman genocides but the following war of independence saw that it got forgotten about
@@dobi2236 Which is a shame, because history shouldn't be forgotten
@@malachiphoniex8501 truly
It's nice to see Mitsubishi have mineral rights in Siberia at 1:28.
Sadly they ended up being a Mirage.
"The government didnt trust the army"... knowing what will happen to Japan later on, that sentence gave me chills.
Japan's national identity was safely preserved, and tragedies like Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan were avoided.
The colonies were wiped off the face of the earth, and the abolition of racial discrimination that Japan had proposed at an international conference in 1911 was adopted by the colonial empire in 1965.
@@21goikenban17 What?
@@21goikenban17 Still not a proper excuse for Japanese war crimes.
@@angkhoanguyen6114
The speech-controlled nations of East Asia still teach such lies.
It is the cause of civil wars that have lasted for more than 80 years.
Japan has never been asked to pay reparations for war crimes.
Nor has any national leader been punished for war crimes.
This is a question I never asked, but one that that as soon as I saw it needed to be answered.
Great videos, keep it up.
Awesome! Actually at 0:30 'random peasant' that actually did happen. The delegation was on its way to negotiate with the Germans and realized they needed a peasant to have a proper representation of the revolution. They then snatched one from the streets. During diner this peasant made an impression on the Germans who were bewildered by his table manners.
I knew that they invaded Siberia but never knew they controlled all of that land. The Interwar period is incredibly fascinating
It was incredibly dangerous for Russia, too.
Japan has control of its army and gives up some land to maintain other gains: Profit.
Japan loses control of its army and has to keep picking more and more fights to get more lands to fuel more fights: Oops.
“You’re a Land Rover, I’m a land expander.” Ivan the Terrible
As usual the small captions on peasants and the newspaper headlines are hidden gems, but the pun in the name of the ship from the sailor's cap was expected, and awesome. Well done!
A different one in different scenes, at that.
Must be my screen resolution because I am having terrible trouble reading this one
0:45 "Pictured Japan"
That caught me off guard
It's a relief to know that the search for Denmark is still on. I want to believe!
The Americans want to buy it when found.
The newspapers on these videos are always such great highlights of them
Like "search for 'denmark' continues" is probably one of the funniest things in the video
2:00 Greetings from Japan. Hiilarious picture from gunboat diplomacy days. This channel is awesome!
Read on British sailor caps
HMS Floaty Boi 0:52
HMS Ship and Slide 1:05
HMS Ship to be Square 1:35
Skye Chappelle told Japan to not bother. Maggie Paskowski and Spinning Three Plates unilaterally agreed.
It was soon afterwards occupied by a James Bissonnette-led coalition
Sparing the government vs. army debate/rivalry, this is one of the few events in WWI history that I’ve heard, where a nation makes their choices based on regional stability, rather than self interest.
Japan was characterized by having a pragmatic diplomatic approach on its way to making an empire. That is until Tojō came to power and decided that going 1v1 against the US would be easy
No, it lost control of it's military in the 30s, way before Tojo ever came to power.
@pottman101 the military was still pragmatic, it was Tojō who started making the dumb decisions that all the japanese high command hated. But they weren't able to do shit about it because Tojō was the emperor's BFF
No, sir.
Tojo's cabinet was formed to prepare for war because the U.S. ended all peace negotiations in order to force Japan to attack the U.S. first!
It is an American tradition to let the other side attack first if they want to go to war.
The U.S. government understands that this method is effective for the people.
@21 goikenban it is true that FDR and his cabinet wanted an excuse to pass in congress a war declaration. But how does that contradict what I'm saying
@@mastrorick
You incorrectly view Japan's self-defense against the West's colonial race and American aggression against Hawaii, China, Manchuria, and Japan as Japanese aggression.
Japan's military was designed to counter the aggression of the West and Russia.
The West decided to invade Japan, Germany, and China, and declared the termination of peace negotiations to Japan.
The West and the Soviet Union supported the Chinese version of IS and the Chinese version of the Taliban on the Chinese mainland, bringing disaster to China.
It is only natural that the Japanese military would seek to declare war on the invaders, since without oil, Japan would have no way to resist Western aggression!
Naturally, the Japanese people supported it.
And it was the British and French who declared the invasion of Germany first.
My great grandpa served onboard HMS Ship and Slide, i'm glad one channel finally honor that my great grandpa's legacy
Japan: Can Japan has Siberia?
Entente: We have Siberia at home
"Siberia at home" = Mariana, Caroline, Palau and Marshall Islands
Japan: UwU
At least it's warmer than Siberia...
MUCH better land. Barely needs a garrison, expands Japan's Maritime influence, and a lot more whales for...scientific research.
@@andrewklang809 delicious scientific research
@@andrewklang809 And the land has no resources, no population, minimal landmass. I mean if you want tell me that a bunch of backward tropical islands are better than the most resource rich region on earth filled with almost infinite amount of lumber, precious metals, oil and gas and even grazing land for animals then i would disagree.
@@popaog6786 Which makes them even better as naval outposts for further expansion.
This is actually a major plot point in "Oil!" But Upton Sinclair kind of just stops talking about what the Japanese are up to when the other allies withdrawal. Thank you for resolving that for me.
Who frankly, weren’t the nicest. This Channel Is So Good At Making really Dark Things Hilarious.
Is this a call out to Ungern Sternberg?
@@alanpennie Probably.
Just wished they kept North Sakhalin only for the sole reason as because it looks better in a map
it would look so good on a map honestly
This channel makes me think I should have far more questions about history. It's good not only because I learn something that helps me connect the dots but mainly because when I do learn more I will ask questions I didn't tend to before. We gather too much history from consensus and honest to god from vibes. I just wish it cited sources.
"More in page 1776"
That reference was bananas 👌🏻
"HMS Ship to be Square" I am dead.
1:33 Nice little nudge to Huey Lewis. xD
As a European, I find it very interesting to learn more about the rich history of Asia. So big thanks for these videos!
New subscriber! My favorite part of each video is when someone happily skips through the flowers LOL
Thanks for your attention to detail on the rifles. Considering they aren't the main focus of your video and its animation you did a great job.
Heres a question pertinent to the topic - Why was the allied intervention in the russian civil war so ineffective?
No plan beyond occupying the ports. They were hoping the White Army would soon put the Reds down, but popular will swung heavily against them and the Red Army beat the pants off the Whites in the interior, so the White Armies couldn't link up. Controlling the ports meant nothing if you couldn't use them to deliver arms, and the Red Army didn't need them since their supplies came from the inland cities and Petrograd.
War fatigue. The intervention came about less than one year after the end of WW1. Everyone who joined the intervention aren't in their best, both morale and support wise. The Royal Navy force sent to the Baltic was forced to withdrew partly because the crews started to act a bit mutinous due to war fatigue and Commies having a better rep amongst them...
After WW1, no one was willing to commit so many resources for a mostly lost cause, you could even argue that Germany would be the one benefitting the most from that.
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131
Also, Russia is a nasty place with long cold winters, and no one wanted to be there.
Why is it anyone's business what Russians do in their own country?
Oh right, have to invade to make sure those bank loans get repaid. Banks. It is always banks.
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Keep it Up
Would love to see a live-action version of one of your videos. I’ll be the guy hopping in a field of daisies.
Subscribe to the "Squire" videos if you want your history acted out.
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The big problem for Japan was also that the Entente were all there for different reasons.
France owed JP Morgan's consortium a staggering sum (something like $1.3 *trillion* US in today's money) and had been sending most of it as aid to Tsarist Russia, it looked to both of them like they were going to lose that cash which would have sent the USA into a huge fiscal Depression. The US had already really entered the war to make sure their debtors didn't lose after the shock losses of the 1916 offensives (and you thought it was the Lusitania) and now Russia went belly up owing everything, and the Soviets promptly reneged on the payments.
Britain was there because, well, if there's anything they hate more than a Russian it's a communist Russian. After all, they might charge down in a red tide into India! (The perennial fear of UK planning from Napoleon until the mid 1950s)
So when the Czechs seized the eastern Russian treasury they gave it to the USA as a way of getting out of Russia, they hadn't been all that useful and were as often a choke point for supplies as they were a guarantor of them arriving. They then handed over the leader of the Whites to the Bolsheviks who took him down to a riverbank and shot him as the Czechs and the US sailed away. The British had really no reason to stay (try reading the 'Evacuation of Russia 1919 address to the House of Commons, it's the best example of official excuses in one place I've ever seen and it could easily have been used for the recent debacle in Afghanistan as written).
So as this mess was resolving itself the Japanese now didn't have the excuse of a coalition (a loaded term these days) to cover their imperialism and as said in the video it was made uncomfortable for them to stay.
Now the *real* question is: what the hell were the Greeks doing in Sevastopol?
Greeks: …uh, things
Greeks sent troops because the Allies promised us assistance in Asia Minor in exchange of our participance. Also, historically Crimea and surrounding areas have been first settled by Greeks (hence the -pol in Sevastopol, Mariupol etc.) and still to these days host a big Greek speaking population (sadly, many have also been also deported to Central Asia ans beyond)
it used to be greek... like a reaaaaaally long time ago
@@417Owsy ...but they still hold thousands of Greeks. I never said it still is Greek
Greeks havin' a bit of a trip down memory lane is all
"Japanese politicians didn't agree with the army"
We see how nicely that plays out in 20 years.
At 2:54 that looks like a type 99 short rifle because of the full hand guard and the recoil lug on the side of the stock, which was not introduced until 1939.
Such a good channel with great simple explanations
This channel answers questions I never realized I had
0:46 Missed the opportunity to call it a "land war in Asia," which is the #1 classic blunder
They didn't want it because James Bisonette wasn't living there
Great video
Another amazing video
Make a video about Romania please
When did the descendants of the Roman Empire who spoke Latin stop understanding each other entirely?
I asked because in your video regarding Romans becoming Italians you brush on the subject of those living in Italy transitioning from Latin to Medieval Italian, so were Medieval Italian speakers able to understand Medieval French speakers barring some differences or were they still separate languages like today.
I love this channel lmao always a banger
Great video!
Have you ever considered doing a video on how Sakhalin ended up as part of Russia and not Japan? I feel like that's probably something a lot people wonder when they look at a world map.
Well because Japan has always been really isolated and their leaders also have been isolationist, they really started their internationalism ik the 1800s when Sakhalin was already claimed by Russia
@@mel1s218 Yeah but there was a back and forth between the two countries over it, and they ended up splitting it and then Japan finally lost it in WW2. Its a pretty interesting story.
@@unknownsoldier9438
Yes it is.
The island was originally claimed by Ming China which set up a very intermittent form of government, but then, in the nineteenth century, Japan and Russian also began claiming it, or parts of it.
the southern part of sakhalin belongs to Japan it call karafuto prefecture but after Japan surrendered in WW2 they need to give it to Russia the same with Germany need to give up it eastern territories to Poland and Russia.
@@peoplesempireofchina6839
Yep.
Japan no longer claims any part of Sakhalin though it does claim the four most southerly of The Kuril Islands to the east.
I look forward to these videos every week! ❤
Cool stuff. 👍
I live for these vids. I just wish the format would go back to the longer form essays.
1:33
"To be square" as in "be there or be square" and they weren't going to be there. I love these stupid jokes in your videos lmao
Dude, keep up these videos, they're amazing.
0:45 I paused for a while to read the article on the fabled lands of Denmark. Great writing whoever came up with it!
Another great video ❤🎉
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The West does colonialism
Japan: takes notes
Japan does colonialism
The West: No, not like that!!!
I'm in the shout out at the end of the video!!! 😄
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Because James Bisonette is a member of the Navy faction.
Yup, that definitely is Japan pictured in the newspaper 😂.
It's those little details that make me love this channel so much.
No way that was Japan. Pretty sure it is Greenland.
Great video.
About time this thought got noticed. Great job 💯
1:00 interesting pronunciation of Vladivostok
I had to rewind back to hear that again too.
I suspect that one of the most politically powerful groups in Japan, that being the IJN and its supporting industrialists,would have bitterly opposed the occupation of Siberia. It would have regarded aland war with the Soviet union as an existential threat, to the IJN. You can't bomb pearl harbor with tanks and you can't reach lake baikal with battleships. Japan didn't have the resources to build massive numbers of both. Committing Japan to a land war with the Soviet union would have ensured the ascendancy of the army and reduced the navy to a coastal defense force. No battleships or aircraft carriers. Land based naval aircraft and patrol craft only.
What fleet admiral wants to fly his flag from a patrol boat?
This was actually something I wondered about a lot
Great vid
Love your content !
If they kept it. That would've made a very interesting timeline for sure. It might've stopped/delayed an invasion of China in the thirties. Thanks for the upload as always.
Almost definitely. China was their alternative choice for new land, though they would’ve likely tried to subjugate it in other ways.
It would certainly have a major impact on how WW2 would unfold regardless if Japan was able to hold on or not that's for sure. On hindsight maybe holding on to Siberia may not have been such a bad idea for Japan if they did. Considering that Trotsky (inapt) was in charge of the red army at the time and they had their hands full quelling the nationalists.
If they'd been even able to hold it, it would almost certainly meant war with the soviets in the 30s at the latest. Can't see Stalin just writing that area off.
@@OnionChoppingNinja It wasn't Siberia though. It was just the far east.
China would probably be a domacracy today if they weren’t attacked by Japanesse in WW2. China would probably have time to subdue it’s rogue warlords and maybe completelly finish of communist rebels. After this would be done China would probably wait a bit and let allies weaken Japan before attacking itself to retake Manchuria
I really enjoy pausing/replaying to see stuff like: "peasant, do not touch" Oh, and learning cool/important stuff w/o checking out books. And then, of course, smashing the like button...that's not painful at all.
The Royal Navy cap ribbon names are a nice touch
Japan be like: I'm something of a coloniser myself
I'm surprised we didn't see Stalin with a sign saying saying to the Japanese "Soon."
Pretty interesting indeed!
Woah. I’ve always wondered this
Japan still had plans to annex Siberia after the civil war too, but a war with the Soviets followed by a treaty convinced them to pivot towards China instead.
Battle of Lake Khasan and Battle of Khalkhin Gol if i'm not mistaken on their names, the latter saw the rise of the famous Soviet general Georgy Zhukov.
@@Gabriel-sdf That wasn't until 1939. Russian civil war and Japanese invasion of China was 20 years earlier.
*Entente Powers:* "Hey Japan! Would you like to do a bit of invading??"
*Japan:* "Hmm... Ask us again in about 12 years."
It is harsh to treat Japan, which has never invaded and declared itself as its own country or built a colony since the 20th century, as if it were a Western country.
@@21goikenban17 “japan has never invaded”- someone who desperately needs to open a history book
@@gloverfox9135
I wrote: "Japan has never invaded another country and declared it its territory."
Please don't tamper with it.
All of Taiwan, Korea, etc. acquired by Japan since the 20th century have become Japanese territory according to the rules of the world.
Taiwan was transferred to Japan by the Qing as compensation for the war it started.
Korea went bankrupt like North Korea, so Koreans offered Japan to bail them out by annexing them.
Since Japanese territories were in line with world rules, Taiwanese and Koreans at that time are still treated by the world as Japanese.
@@21goikenban17 How do you think Japan acquired those territories? By invasion you idiot.
Japan invaded Korea in 1592-1598 and failed then, so they tried again in the 1900s and succeeded and they annexed it in 1910.
Japan invaded Manchuria, China, the Philippines, Indochina, Burma, India, Laos, Cambodia, all of south East Asia really, hundreds of islands and was threatening to invade Australia.
Only Japan was stupid enough to attack the US and reap the consequences for their actions in the conquered territories.
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0:46 is a news paper clipping. I live for these 3 seconds while on screen... so much humor in such a brief window
I love this news channel
Could u do an episode about why why modern Egypt wanted to annexe the Sudan, but failed.
Because James Bissonette was a cautious general, you know
1:56 OMG 😂😂😂 That was a brilliant Matthew Perry summation!
I am so glad Boogly Woogly remains a patron. I keep listening to the patron read on each of your videos just to check that you still have to read their name out. It's like a post-credits bonus scene.
This just in: Traces of Denmark found in Bolivia.
& Western Australia.
@@Ggdivhjkjl
Should have said India.
The Danes actually had some colonies there.
George V: "Russia must absolutely have a Tsar. A Czar is a half measure that will simply not work."
"HMS Ship To Be Square"
Genius
Thank You for adding little details in the Newspaper! I hope the Researchers at Norway find Denmark Soon! 😄
Please do an episode on why Namibia isn’t part of South Africa. Pretty please 🙏🏼