The Wheel of Time Season 2 Review - It sucks
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- Amazon's The Wheel of Time Season 2 Review - It sucks
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37:48 - "It's pretty weird that a character so despicable of a human being is the show-runner's favorite character..."
If you really think about some of the show-runner's tweets... he sounds a lot like Egwene... so, no, not weird...
In fact, I wouldn't be even remotely surprised to find out that she's also his "self-insert".
Might explain a lot!
It's mindboggling they would invest so much money into these shows, while people in critical positions, director and writers, are incompetent, unproven amateurs.
Quality of a product isn't as important as the advertising, I suppose.
I think it's about the kind of people who are good at climbing hiearchies in large organizations. They tend to focus on surface appearances and less on functionality. It seems like a consistent theme in companies, governments and bureaucracies throughout history. Then eventually things get too fucked up, a company crashes, or a disaster happens, and they have to look around for people who can actually get things done.
Their goal is political and cultural propoganda. Not to make quality content. It's Marxism at work
@@SilverMont Changing culture is most important to them. It's pure propoganda
@@justinah7400100% correct. It's all about the social engineering 👍
I almost think they want to do a surprise ending where Egwene was the dragon all along.
I was thinking the same thing.
So depressing seeing all my favorite IP’s being ruined :(
I’ll just sad and angry. I had so much hope for this show and even still remained foolishly hopeful after season 1. I can only eat so many crap sandwiches though for a book series that means so much to me. Oh well…back to the books for me.
It's a shame that some of the best fantasy series (Lord of the Rings, Wheel of Time, etc.) are being brutalized by Amazon.
True... but not just Amazon... look at The Witcher.
It basically has the same woke-turd agenda...
Put the gals on pedestals... and dig trenches under the guys.
One of the ironies is that this almost always results in DFC's... disgusting female characters... instead of SFC's... "strong" female characters.
While it's SF, instead of Fantasy... it's worth noting that LucasFilm went the same route, and Marvel has been going that way, as well.
Have you considered the possibility that this story was intentionally destroyed to ruin the memory of the millions of people who loved it?
Why would anyone want to do that? I would ask, but I've experienced first hand that some people simply enjoy annoying other people or inconveniencing them. I still don't get why, though.
@@SilverMont It's a form of psychological warfare being waged upon us by people who despise us, and it's being done in many different ways.
The forms of attack are all very nuanced, and each serves multiple goals within the overall framework of hobbling us in a spiritual sense.
If this hadn't been done, you'd have spent the rest of your life with purely good memories of those stories and the attitudes you hold that the characters in those books helped to shape in some way.
Now, all of your most recent memories of this story are tainted by confusion, sadness and anger, and you will never experience the pure joy you once felt regarding this story ever again.
That is their goal, to destroy us spiritually, to beat us down psychologically, for us to become used to having our favorite things tortured and destroyed before our eyes while we can do nothing except seethe and cope.
The more you complain, the more you cry, the more you look to the sky and demand to know why, the happier they become.
They are your enemy, but have not declared themselves to be so.
That's EXACTLY what happened. The channel creator must be thick as this exact thing has happened to Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, Marvel etc etc
@@Unsalted667Absolutely spot on mate. How others don't know this I'll never work out. Literally brainless
@@josephsalmonte4995 I think that a lot more people know it than would ever want to admit it. No one wants to believe these things because it means you have to do something about them, and so the human mind conjures endless excuses.
Few people are able to reject their own knee-jerk reaction conclusions, and many are heavily invested in the lies of "society".
I haven't even read the books and it was just a huge mess. the final episode especially just felt so haphazard and stitched together, felt like we missed so much lol.
Yeah I am curious how nonsensical this show must be for non-readers. Like... it's garbage and nonsense to me, but I at least know what SHOULD be happening so I have background context etc
The season finale was off the scale for contradictions and nonsense.
If you think it was a nonsensical mess full of plot holes up to this point just wait until next season which will have literally skipped over an ENTIRE book! it is supposedly going to be covering book 4 while season 2 was pretty much exclusively book 2. The claim made about combining book 2 and 3 for season 2 was a brazen lie as book 3 was completely absent. Condensing material is one thing but In what instant was there ever an attempted adaptation of a book series made that actually skipped an entire book??
@@Dave3Dmanto be fair, I could see them doing book 3 in two episodes. A quick trip to Tear to do the thing Aiel need then off to the waste and a possibly Emond's Field.
Whoever made arcane should have been allowed to adapt the Wheel of Time.
Two quick things. First if people are trying to sell you this is a different turning of the wheel. Then they’re proving your point, which is the writers of failed utterly in their presentation of this material. Secondly, SEMI RHAGE was the one who would always wear black in direct opposition of LA NFEAR.
Agreed. A different turning of the wheel doesn't have everyone with the same name born in same place etc. it just means the larger events fit a similar pattern. Plus we know people reincarnate.
It's true that embracing the source is not a thing in the show. Probably to cringy to do...
I can't place whether you love the show or hate it. You seem to be in every comment.
@@ArthurSullivan-cq4uw as long as what I say makes sense, does it matter?
@@ArthurSullivan-cq4uw Bidosessi has generally been pretty critical of the show -- as I've been interpreting it.
Wtf are you talking about? They mentioned embracing saidar/saidin every other bloody page 🤷♂️
@@josephsalmonte4995 I'm going to assume that you didn't read what I wrote correctly, and give you another chance to read it again.
Like disney amazon is all about girl power. Forget what's in the books.
The books have plenty of girl power moments, although they are typically earned, which I suppose is the difference. Like that awful Mulan live action where she just sort of had magic powers and didn't need to actually do any work.
Bit unrelated to the show but i'm curious about your opinion on last three books that were written by Sanderson after original author passed away. Did he do a good job wrapping up based on notes he was left with?
I think he did a decent job, but I listened to them rather than read them, as I figured hearing the same voices would make the transition less jarring. Some characters definitely felt a little different, but by and large I think he emulated the style better than say... Eoin Coifer(sp?) did with Douglas Adams. Which felt more like a parody, the characters all flanderised.
Lanfear and Semirhage were combined that is why she wears so much black.
Rafe said polygamy with the 3 women wasn't good anymore but polyamory would be explored instead. So instead of Rand ending up with 3 beautiful women everyone is going to be a slut and sleep with a lot of people...
They changed Logain's ability to see Ta'verin because they glow to he can see men channeling as glowing. They basically made Saidin into Saidar for many things. It gets worse when you realize they made Mat glow in season 1
It's very distressing!
Not arguing with any other point, but polyamory is not being a slut, and polygamy as in having two partners (not as in being officially married, that's a law thing) falls under the concept of polyamory. It just means having a relationship with more than one person, which fits
Uno is totally legendary at cussing :)
His scene with Nynaeve was always a fave
With the ignoring of the the horn they should have just done book three and move the seanchan to tear. Mat could have started with his escape and everything would have been more on track.
I am unable to even "hate watch" this series. On a good note, it prompted me into a complete re-read of WoT, which is infinitely better than the woke drivel Amazon produced.
That's how I felt about Rings of Power haha, I couldn't even bring myself to look at it. Wheel of Time was a little different as I had never actually finished the books - I read all the ones Jordan wrote, when I was a kid, then he unfortunately passed and I never touched them again (not sure if I was even aware Sanderson finished them, until much later) and then after watching S1 I was like "huh I don't remember the books being garbage." So I read 'em all again and finished them this time!
@@SilverMont I'm with you on Rings as well. I watched a couple episodes, gagged, and stopped watching. Not sure Amazon is capable of bringing books w/strong canon to realization. Them temptation to filter them through a "modern" light is too great for them to pass up. I though Sanderson did a great job wrapping up WoT
I completely agree, it was necessary to make an animated series. Even if we take the first Castlevania from Netflix as an example, the film adaptation would be an order of magnitude better than what they filmed. And it wouldn’t be worth even half the budget they announced for this series.
If we talk about the full budget, then they could do something on the level of Arcane or hire some legendary anime studio.
In terms of duration, the entire plot of The Wheel of Time would take 50-200 episodes of 20-25 minutes each, depending on how the plot was cut, maybe 300, but it would be worth it. I even agree with the interpretation of characters from Japanese book illustrations; it’s still better than what actually exists.
Supposedly they are creating some animated movies for WoT (not the main series, but spin-offs) I'm very curious how they turn out. I hope they don't use that netflix CGI style, which I personally find kinda ugly. One day if I ever get Elon Musk levels of rich, I'mma buy the rights to WoT and get a proper animated version made. I'll also purge amazon's version from the annals of history.
38:11 The bond is a tied off weave, stilling wouldn't effect it, for the warder. For the Aes Sedai It would only effect the ability to manipulate it, and probably drive their sense of loss.
Hmm... I was under the impression that being stilled severed the bond, but the exact mechanics of warder bonding are very mysterious haha
@@SilverMont I understand a stilled Aes Sedai can't feel the bond, because Siuan Sanche didn't suffer the loss of her warder while stilled. However she got hit with it when she was healed. If the bond had been truly 'severed', that shouldn't have happened. As you say though, it's a complex topic.
@@SilverMontstilling does severe the bond and least in a way that still triggers warder frenzy. After dumai's wells several warders of stilled Aes sedai had to be restrained as to not kill others or themselves even though their Aes sedai where still alive.
Since they seem to bev making the dagger mounted on the pole into Mat's signature polearm weapon (which he does not now get from the Finns), so the "lightsaber" aspect is to justify what it does to the Tower of Ghenjei. Except that was not why it acted like that and will Mat even need to go to the Tower of Ghenjei in the show?
Doubtful, or if he does, it'll be for a completely different reason. I suspect Moiraine won't be leaving the show for half its duration, at least. As it happens, I have a knife that was given to me by a Finn. In that it's a traditional Finnish hunting knife, it's mighty sharp.
If not, how will he lose his eye??
With this level of stupidity just bring Rey Palpatine in, she'll bypass the seals and destroy the Dark One. At the end she'll become Rey Skywalker Al'Thor.
oh man dont give 'em ideas
Thinks having three wives is icky, so has dude sleep with one chick after another.
I did find that kinda funny, considering it's a fairly big part of the books, Rand and the three girls worrying over that. But now I guess it'll be, "you slept with a forsaken!?" Only I don't think they'll ever bring that up.
I think I’m done watching this show it’s really bad it so sad just red the boooks hopefully 🤞🏿 they animate this series and I hope they stay faithful to the writing ✍️ of the books 📚
I can’t believe how bad this show is . I can’t believe people got paid for the writing , it’s so unreal
The writers and whatever producers ok'd the writing are all nuts, for sure. Even I could write a better show from scratch, let alone adapting something where most of the hard work is done for you and all you need to do is make it work in a different format. Square in the square hole situation.
I hate that stupid flaming sword!!!!!!
I know its called a magic system. But its basically manipulating the elements as they exist in nature.
Rands flaming sword is not a sword its a flame in the shape of a sword.
Or am i wrong?Does the one power power just fxuking conveniently conjure shit out of thin air. Like that fcuking fire dragon moirianne /Dumbledore /Gandalf produced to proclaim the dragon. Am i wrong. The way thus show is going is making me question my whole life at this point.
Rand's sword is fire in the shape of a sword, yeah, we assume
Egwene is stronger than Rand, Egwene is stronger than Shai'tan...Egwene is basically the Wheel of Time!😂😂😂
She'll transform into a huge wheel and roll around crushing every dude in the world, no doubt.
@@SilverMont 😂
While I agree with the rest, I'd just like to mention that it's not actually wrong to say that the world is "still broken". Sure, it's not in the *active* process of being literally broken into pieces by mad channelers, but the world is very much in decline, stagnated at best and in many places barely hanging on. There was not only the Breaking, but also the Trolloc Wars and the War of the Hundred Years after Hawkwing's death which completely devastated the lands and the kingdoms and there are several areas of total wilderness that are just straight up unclaimed by anyone because they have no practical means to keep control of them or even enough people to settle there. There are countless forgotten monuments from kingdoms that were established after the Breaking but have already been destroyed and forgotten and people barely remember history apart from the Brown Ajah who dedicate their entire lives to studying it.
I dunno, I think other than the Aiel war, the last 20-50 years were pretty stable. And look at the Seanchan, they had a huge empire that was stable enough to launch an incredibly large scale invasion. Things aren't perfect, like the blight is getting larger, and obviously the seals of the dark one are weakening, but even Hawkwing is practically ancient history by the start. Geographically and politically, Randland was stable enough
@@SilverMontStable, yeah, but stagnant at best and in a slow but steady decline at worst, I'd say. Though granted, I should've been more specific that this was mainly the case in the Westlands which is partly why the Seanchan were able to dominate them so much in battle initially. In a lot of places the people have simply been surviving and sitting in their small niches that have been steadily shrinking. There are no grand monuments being built apart from Galldrian wanting to excavate the Choedan Kal, the Jenn Aiel died out and the rest forgot why they were guarding Rhuidean in the first place, the numbers of the Aes Sedai are in decline and apart from some perpetual border skirmishes pretty much all of the current kingdoms have no resources to do anything with their more remote parts which have been completely deserted. The Topless Towers of Cairhien are still not repaired after twenty years, the Blight is swallowing more and more of the Borderlands and so and so on. Whenever the characters trek through the world it's always just so empty and desolate with scattered remains of better days everywhere. My view is that the events of the books are what kickstarts a new era of advancement again after this period of stagnation. There are finally more channelers being found, old weaves are being rediscovered, Rand establishes his school for technological advancement and most importantly, the male channelers are brought back into an active role, finally fulfilling the important theme of the books that men and women need to work together for true greatness.
Yeah that's true, things are declining slowly
What I don't get are the people who like the show so think it's actually good, when it's not. I have liked different shows in the past for whatever reason, but I can realize that those shows over all were not good. There are elements to the show that are entertaining, but for the most part it just has too many inconsistences, too much teen drama like dialog, too many screens that are too small in scope, magic rules that they set, then don’t follow, and that’s just a few of the many problems.
Indeed!
I don't understand it either. I think some may be like my husband who doesn't remember specifics from books he has read. They read the books after they were done and went from 1 to 14. They didn't do the rereads right before each new book came out and look up characters on the wiki to remind themselves of who someone was.
They are like me and The Magicians. I just didn't remember the books well and loved the TV show. I reread the books after the show and thought the main story did follow the books good enough and besides, I loved the TV show so I didn't care.
Some are just so happy to get a show they don't care about the differences. And the dramatic moments look cool. And they want to be surprised.
The way magic was weaved in a discovery of witches was far superior to how the show depicts the one power
I don't think I've heard of that show
If you mean how they tested for witches in Monty Python and the Holy Grail I 100% agree, that was more well thought out than this trash.
I thought it was better than season 1 at least
Hmm... I suppose in a sense, I liked it more than the first, but it's so hard for me to think of anything positive I took away from either.
Why make the mcs so unlikable? I still think they're going to have a Mary Sue ending
The woke showrunners hate the actual books and their complusion 1984 fellow travelers are the only fans of this mess. For the rest of us, seeing another Jake Skywalker throwing away the light saber to die of a heachache is not what we wanted but that level of treatment was what Rafe has done for Rand. The show is a hate letter and Brandon Sanderson recently tore the show up as well.
"It's woke" isn't valid criticism
@@acorns-r-us It is. Jordan had more realized female characters but Rafe said he was going to come at the WOT from a feminization standpoint. What did we get because of Rafe's choice in doing so? Healing tears in s1 ep 8 and Egwene/Nyneave stealing Rands scenes in the gap and a s2 ep 8 dropped plot of Nynaeve which was her book 2 arc and the total change of Egwene's book 2 arc to both no longer need help and to become like her enemy in killing in cold blood which book Egwene never did.
Okay
You can totally come at the WOT from a feminist lense and it also be good. It sounds like Rafe made something bad and then said it was feminist to thwart criticism, or at least redirect it.
@@acorns-r-us To say that the show is 'misandrist', however -- is a very valid criticism.
The race-swapping, misandry, forced diversity & huge changes in the lore make ths whole series a complete abomination. I'd question anyone's sanity who enjoyed this hateful crap. Bitter feminists maybe but nobody normal.
WoT has a 81 for S1 and 86 for S2 by audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Most viewers haven’t read the 14 book series so judge it on what’s presented which they seem to enjoy.
Rotten Tomatoes isn’t owned by Amazon btw so that blows that theory. What is it they say- opinions are like bungholes everybody has one.
I wasn't talking about RT, but IMDB, which is owned by amazon.
All ratings sites have been corrupted & are clearly paid to hide awful shite like this show. How do you not know this?
I really enjoyed season 2, and I’m a huge book fan whose favorite character (ever in any media) is Rand 🤷🏻♀️
I can't understand how, but I'm glad if someone got some enjoyment out of it!
I have to ask since you've read the books... Why do you like season 2? It feels like the male characters never do anything of their own choice. They never really defeat their enemies. They seem to always been manipulated or lead into situations. Rand is looking to learn how to use is powers and thinks he is in full hiding, but later we learn that the whole situation was arranged for him and he's been tracked the whole time. Perrin seems to have not really developed as a character. We see him use powers, but we see no change in his thinking, mentality, goals, or ambitions. It never felt like the guys in the show could be badass. It seemed to only be women(both good and evil) that actually got things done, fought, had amazing fight scenes, and could defeat their enemies as they wished. Back to Rand, it feels like he's done nothing to move the story forward. He just...exists in the show. That sad for what's supposed to be the main character, even in an ensemble show.
HOW can you like this hateful, sexist drivel? My god your standards for quality must be low. Smh
Oh come on, season 2 is not that bad. Its far from perfect and 8 episodes is not enough room to fill in the cracks missing from the books. Season 1 was utter tripe, but I kind of enjoyed season 2.
It's virtually as bad, to me.
No no no. I cannot get behind the changes. I am one of the few that was almost ok with season one until the last episode. I thought it followed the books as much as I expected. I didn't like any of the changes though. I would have made different condensing changes. Season two went completely off the rails and even scenes that seemed faithful like Nyneave and the arches learned the wrong lessons. After season two, I decided that season one was worse than I thought. I was trying to be forgiving for it.
Since you hate the Wheel Of Time TV show so much, you won't be watching Season Three then? Please don't so we don't have to be subjected to such negativity. Thank you.
You don’t have to be subjected to anything. Plenty of other channels which seem to like it.
I don't understand the problem with negativity, as you put it. Elaborate?
So... people can only post and talk about positive view points in your presence. I can tell you like living in an ideological bubble.
Please take your toxic positivity somewhere else. Thank you
Please take this ridiculous view of yours elsewhere, thank you
I like it. It's an 8 out of 10.for.me
I'm glad you liked it, even if I hated it haha