What John Lennon Really Thought About George Martin's Contribution to The Beatles
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- The Beatles' producer George Martin was often referred to as the "fifth Beatle" due to his significant contributions to their sound and success. Sir George Martin was a highly accomplished and influential record producer, arranger, composer, conductor, audio engineer, and musician. He worked closely with the Beatles throughout their career, producing almost all of their albums.
George Martin played a key role in shaping the band's sound and experimenting with innovative recording techniques. His collaboration with the Beatles resulted in groundbreaking albums such as "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" and "Abbey Road." Martin's musical expertise and willingness to explore new ideas helped the Beatles achieve new heights in the realm of popular music.
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I recall in George Martin's book specifically with Strawberry fields sticking the two different parts in two different keys together. John just sort of gave a You're the producer, you'll figure it out. Also you can't judge anything John says. I swear every interview it's something different.
Yeah it's called bullshitting.
John was a bully and a blow-heart.
Yeah he changed his mind often about many topics
@@vickiedunn8380
*blow-hard
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That's the 1st example that popped into my head, and you're absolutely right!
No other producer could have did for The Beatles what George Martin did.
I agree.. he was great
Agree. Without Martin the Beatles would have had a completely different sound.
He really was the fifth Beatle especially
in the early years.
It is so true.
He was a gift to the Beatles.
This is John in 1970. The John in 1973 and 1975 said something totally different about George Martin. George Martin also tells the story that John apologized for his 1970 remarks during a visit at the Dakota in 1980.
Cmon John: George Martin translated your imagery on Walrus, Strawberry Fields, Tomorrow Never Knows and others and helped turn those tunes into magnificent works of art. Give credit where credit is due.
If you want to give due credit, then you have to give Geoff Emerick credit. He’s the one who actually came up with the sound of tomorrow never knows for example. The Leslie speaker, Ringo’s drum sound. The way the strings were recorded and on and on.
@@donengland9140 As far as I understand, GM did the orchestral arrangements in those masterpieces that were mentioned and they are truly amazing, for ex, in walrus they're a huge part of the song, all enveloping and original. The Beatles were very lucky that their producer was a talented musician. Of course, the sound engineering was another topic; they were all inspired!
Why are you addressing him directly as though he is in a position to read CZcams comments?
@@donengland9140 Right, I was going to say just the same about Geoff
I think what John is saying is that apart from an occasional piano solo, George Martin didn’t contribute much to the group musically other than string arrangements and a suggestion to use a horn now and then, which was mostly done on Paul’s songs. The music is more than predominantly just those four guys. As fans we more clearly can tell that most all of Martin’s musical touches were fantastic, though.
Is sad that John doesn’t give George Martin the credit he deserves. If they had a different producer from Day 1 they would not have had songs that sounded so creative and original. GM really was the 5th Beatle and that’s ok
He just did, only it was more on Paul's tunes.
George Martin transformed not just Paul's but so many of John's thoughts and ideas into the songs we know and love. Not least: In My Life, Strawberry Fields, I am the Walrus and A Day in the Life. On another given day, I'm sure John would have acknowledged this.
@@ginghamt.c.5973 your right
@@ginghamt.c.5973. I HOPE , on another day, John would have given GM credit!! I mean, if John could never see and realize what GM did for him and the Beatles as a group, then he was blind as a bat!!!!
@@foofookachoo1136John was there you were not. 🤦
George Martin actually played a lot of instruments on many Beatles recordings. Uncredited. Much more than a producer.
Yes in the early years to mid 60s he did a lot. But 67 onward not so much. By Let It Be he literally stood there and watched Paul do what he did. He didn't even give them advice it seems in those last few years. Especially Let It Be and Abbey Road.
@@adolescentwombat George Martin didn't produce Let It Be. He wasn't hired for it. On Abbey Road from what I understand he was pretty involved with the Side 2 medley-but yeah, not as hands-on as he'd been in the early years.
@@biligator well he did produce it though in the sense that he was in charge of Glyn John's production on it. But didn't really do anything but watch. And then of course John and Allan Klein brought in Phil Spector after the sessions as a last minute decision. I like Spectors flourishes though. Not everyone involved did of course.
Lennon being an arse. Who wrote the string section to "I am the Walrus"? Without George Martin, Lennon's greatest psychedelic tracks would not have happened
He was such a genius that he could afford being a crudely honest arse.
This is John in 1970. The John in 1973 and 1975 said something totally different about George Martin. George Martin also tells the story that John apologized for his 1970 remarks during a visit at the Dakota in 1980.
It's been a long time since I've taken anything John said seriously.
I personally believe Martin played a much bigger role than John is giving him credit for. He had a lot to do with the end result of their sound. The circus like atmosphere in the song "For The Benefit Of Mr Kite" was created by Martin. The idea was in John's head, but Martin put it on the record.
That’s Lennon for you. Generous as ever.
...and modest. 😂😂😂
😂yeah right!
And grateful.
George Martin was key to the Beatles success. Martin did not accept the claim that he was the 5th Beatle. I think he was. John had some issues.
He had a lot of issues. And this is from a fan.
In a interview with George Martin after
John's death he said how much he
loved when John would bring a song
and it would just be John singing and
playing his acoustic guitar.George
loved John's voice,his example was
Happiness is a warm gun.
Lennon being Lennon
that is so much bullshit on john‘s part. Anybody who knows anything about the Beatles music knows very well that George Martin had an enormous input there.
John didn’t even know what he really thought about anything. Those are just words he said on that day.
These recorded Thoughts & Interviews are over 40 yrs old. I'm sure his opinion would of been different? If Lennon could speak on the subject now?
Lennon was lucky to meet George Martin at the start.
Four words, John: I Am The Walrus.
Four more: The Walrus was Paul
@@MisterRiversThe Walrus was actually Ringo!!
Goo goo goo joob
Yeah, John, maybe Martin was more “Paul’s style of music,” but you NEEDED him more than Paul did. Paul learned how to do things like George Martin, which is why he could produce his own albums. YOU, on the other hand, treated Martin like a servant, and learned much less than Paul. And yet, Paul gives Martin tons of credit, while you dismiss him. Such ingratitude.
You know, John's been dead for 43 years now. Not sure he's listening or reading much here on Earth LOL
@@bobbyp21 Could be, but apparently, time is a construct of our mortal existence, so what does 43 years mean in the great beyond? (Yeah, I don’t understand those physics, either 😉.)
G Martin made please please me into a faster tune than the Beatles turned up with, he said it was to slow and hey presto 1st #1
No Paul would give specific instructions and John would say “I want to feel the sawdust” or “monks chanting on a hill”. George Martin did one hell of a job with that.
This makes John's orchestral arrangement on Goodnight even more amazing.
I LOVE good sarcasm!
Pp
I hesitate to say In My Life is underrated, because most Beatles songs are, there's so damn many!
These are artists. They will be listening to the Beatles in a 100 years. ❤
George Martin didn’t tell Paul to play the piano solo to In my life in an Elizabethan style. In fact, George Martin played the solo himself. He played on many more Beatles songs than people even realize. John’s memory was never very reliable. As for him not relying on Martin for orchestrations. What about A day in the life? What about Strawberry Fields? What about I am the walrus? Who did the arranging, orchestrating, and producing of those songs? Very ungrateful man with a short memory. However, he’d be quick to tell you that Yoko was an artistic genius 😂
Martin played the piano solo and they sped it up to make it sound like a harpsichord
@@manny4552 Yes, and it worked beautifully. I can’t imagine the song with any other solo. It’s such a signature solo. George Martin was a great innovator.
@@mtp4430 yeah it sounds really great
@@manny4552 👍
But John is not saying George Martin told Paul to play the piano solo to “In my life”.
It sounds like he's being sat on
😀
I never knew what John had against George Martin. As far as I'm concerned, he made some of his craziest dreams come true!
This is John in 1970. The John in 1973 and 1975 said something totally different about George Martin. George Martin also tells the story that John apologized for his 1970 remarks during a visit at the Dakota in 1980.
@@evertvdb000 yes I do recall him apologizing and telling George Martin he was out of his head back in those days, or something to that effect.
@@magneto7930 Yea, it was a half hearted apology.
@@evertvdb000 which would have been typical of John.
strawberry fields, the walrus would be very different lesser songs without G Martin
The master
I wonder if John would still feel than way now if he were still with us? My guess, such as it is, is that he would've had another change of heart. Nothing wrong with that. As times goes on, everyone changes.
This is John in 1970. The John in 1973 and 1975 said something totally different about George Martin. George Martin also tells the story that John apologized for his 1970 remarks during a visit at the Dakota in 1980.
John has just as many songs orchestrated by Martin as Paul.
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That’s what I said George Martin was an excellent sounding board. He opened the Beatles mind to possibilities that they may not of thought of so I think he definitely was being called the fifth beetle.
John gave different answers in every interview depending on his mood. His opinion of people changed all the time too.
John himself admitted exactly this. He said his answers to questions depended on how he was feeling that day. He was honest in that.
George Martin not helping on The White Album may have been his most important contribution. He allowed them you basically create 4 mini solo albums together and gave it that raw and individualistic quality!
Love John Lennon , love the Beatles. All you have to do to see George Martins did for a song. Just listen to the demo and then finished product. That was George Martin The Producer.
Paul was way ahead of John in regards to talent. This is John trying to explain his lack of talent.
In fact was paul - Martin connection that changed the pop music and the main reason because the Beatles never be forget as the pinnacle of innovation and organic creativity ever put on LP before and after
That's exactly what a producer does.
Lennon accomplished covering up his weaknesses by being a twat. A creative genius who can’t speak the common language makes everyone’s participation unnecessarily difficult.
Imagine what he could have created if he was fluent in music, like George Martin.
Well he was indeed a genius
@@manny4552 Indeed
John: ....because I'm very shy....yeah, sure John
John ❤ is my favouite Beatle and I wish he was still with us but he really did talk a right load of old bollocks in many of his interviews.
What yr was this clip from? It could really put John into perspective...he had his ups and downs...so to speak. Esp with Billy.
1970
You mean he was a proper professional producer John. You’d never have been heard of if it wasn’t for George Martin.
You seem to gave coveniently forgotten the beatles sound man geoff who with the beatles created all the new sounds . All of witch george took full credit. Read geoff's book - here there and everywhere". An awsome read!!!
Lennon feels threatened.
I'd like to see how far he would have gotten without GM, universally known as the fifth Beatle. Look at America and all the other top acts Martin produced for!
Hate to tell her this, Funny, but there's more music in 'Pepperland' than 'Strawberry Fields Forever'!
Would have been interesting to see what FORD could have offered?
There’s more to art being created, packaged and disseminated than everybody involved being nice all the time, saying nice things about each other and being happy with
each other all the time…
Often, great art and great artistic relationships emerge out of
personal differences and dissonance
Halfway through this video I started to think, "hmm...I think Paul had a much different opinion and relationship with George Martin. " And sure enough, John's last comment here confirmed that thought.
Shy? John? Nah 😂❤️❤️❤️❤️
This stuff hardens people's attitudes to John, because he -- like all of us -- was apt to say something different from interview to interview. People have pointed that out in these comments and they're correct.
But the main reason is that John involuntarily surrendered the right to change his mind in December 1980.
John is so full of it
According to George Martin, John basically told him to, "fix" Strawberry Fields. Three different keys and time signatures woven seamlessly together into the masterpiece we know today by Sir George Martin. I guess John forgot about that one.
without George martin getting attributed credits, I would imagine he got no royalties for his amazing contributions
Might have been true when he was still in the Beatles, but he didn’t have GM or Paul to help him out on Double Fantasy, in 79 or 80, that I know of , anyway!! And every one of those songs ,( of John’s songs). We’re GREAT!!!
George Martin rra genial
John said Paul made Granny Music.
John calling himself "very shy" surprised me. He acted just the opposite. Full of piss and vinegar, at least on the outside.
thats to hide his shyness.
and John wasn't vinegar at all. did you see Get Back?
"Yeah, George Martin was around, but he didn't do much, y'know.
There're also some guys like Paul, George, and Ringo, but it was all me. "
probably said something different and to the contrary about GM a few days later
John was hot and cold
Except in "I am the Walrus" and "Good Night" where he let George Martin run loose with orchestral arrangements.
He lied about that!
I'm not sure the Beatles would have lasted all these years without GM.
Hard to take a drug addict, or someone that thought Yoko Ono was incredible seriously.
Pail McCartney was a drug addict as well .lsd, marijuana, pills ...you better not take him seriously either
Noticed you didn't want to touch the Yoko part.
@pnichols6500 I didn't want to?? You know my thought process now do you? 🤦
Take another shot of Jim Beam and move on.
That ringo
That's brutal. George Martin thought much more highly of John.
i can't believe john would disresrecp george in retrospect like this, nobody is perfect
I have always thought that John was the best artist in the Beatles, but Paul was the best musician. Comments like the ones found in this video confirms a little more that idea...
Jealous because Martin did a lot with Paul. Maybe because Paul was always working.
nah, John worked as much with Martin as Paul.
BS. According to Martin he pretty much gave Martin the lyrics to Mr. Kite and told him to create some music for it.
George Martin was the Beatles AI
This must be from the 1970 Rolling Stone interview in which John set out to bust a few myths.
which he later regretted, and apologised for to Martin in 1980.
John Lennon had a horrible side to his personality. George Martin was instrumental in bringing The Beatles to a standard where they could have hits.
When they became more experimental in the studio George Martin was able to translate their ideas into reality . Listen to the middle part of " A Day in the life " . That was the genius of George Martin.
I think George Martin was a little in and out of doors for that "white" album- there were parts where John, Paul, and George were all in different rooms of Abbey Road doing different things. He couldn't have been working all three at once. So it has been said even by outside Lennon sources that The Beatles did a lot of that with Geoff Emerick. Then Let It Be I think Martin wasn't there at all. He said he was but I think he's the ONLY one who says that. Although I have to admit I didn't see Get Back or Let It Be so if someone wants to chime in they can.
and then Geoff walked out on them during let it be sessions
John's style of music is yoko ono
A day in a life....could of been a boring day if Martin and macca didnt lend a hand John.
This 1970’s Lennon is really someone to hate.
After the Beatles, Paul and Ringo worked with Martin. Lennon and Harrison did not.
You cant go by that horrible "Rolling Stone" interview from 1971. John was mad and very drunk.
true!
John was angry, disappointed, frustrated after the split up. he was a human being.
the things he said about Martin after 1972 are all 100% positive.
Oh please!!! What happened to John. No
Me me me.
well, no one has ever accused JL of being intellectually generous.
actually, John was incredibly generous. but not in his 1970 interviews, just after the break up.
@@evertvdb000 He could be generous. He could also be petty. I think it's just a byproduct of that British bluntness.
According to Paul he was a monster, then became a "lovable monster" postmortem.
By the way, he was my favorite Beatle And I love the beatles.
@@aldonapolitano5979 George: John wasn't an angel, but he was.
For some reason in the latter part of the sixties the Beatles liked to pretend that they did it all themselves. Didn’t need a producer, didn’t need a manager, even tried to Direct their own film. It was a deluded hippy ideal but they bought into it and denied that they relied on a team of professionals to turn their ideas into successful product.
John dishing out his usual self-loathing disrespect at other artists he felt threatened by. Meanwhile praising Yoko Ono's cat screeching and feigning confusion why it's not more popular with the fan base.
Really? John was shy? 😂😂😂
George Martin was an ok producer who gave the Beatles a chance, and that's about it. There is no evidence he contributed anything significant, creatively, to the Beatles songs. He basically did what he was told, made a few suggestions as any producer would do, and stayed out of their way.
If you don't believe me, watch the films. Further evidence it that his career before and after he worked for the Beatles didn't amount to anything; but the Beatles had a large following before Martin, and each had very successful solo careers after him.
There was no fifth Beatle. The only one who came close was Brian Epstein. He recognized their talent, and cleaned them up enough to have mass appeal; but nor did he do anything creatively. That part was all them.
You make some good points and of course the real genius persons were Lennon and McCartney.. but martin was really good at his profession too and the Beatles would not have found anyone better
of all the things i've read about Martin and the Beatles, this is definitely the most inaccurate one of all. full of your imagination and devoid of facts. what "films"? there are no films of them in the studio before 1969. "he did what he was told"? nobody told Martin what to do, including the Beatles themselves. he made unique contributions to the arrangements, scoring things himself and sometimes playing it himself. this comment of John is arrogant; even his early songs [long before violins appeared in Beatle songs] were arranged by Martin. In general John had very little capability of putting what he heard in his head onto a record; he was even more dependent on Martin than Paul was. your comment in general also indicates that you don't understand the basic difference between arrangement and production in the music industry. Martin did both, tastefully and expertly, and unselfishly, getting paid his standard EMI salary, nothing more. His expertise is why he was eagerly sought out by other artists after the Beatle years. those artists understood what you don't.
@@pkoven You say "John was arrogant".
Well John was there, you weren't.
Don't go by what Martin claims he did, go by the writing credits and what you observe. You don't hear these claims from the other Beatles or the engineers.
Look at the hours of films that ARE available, do you see Martin contributing at all to the writing or creative process?
Then compare the post Beatles accomplishments. As solo artists, each of them had far more successful careers without him than he did with other artists.
If he was so good at making something of the Beatles who "weren't very good" as he first claimed; then surely he could have found similar success with someone else in the 30some years he was working after the Beatles.
@@kerry9125 Ok, The last time I tried to be tactful and brief and let you figure out your mistakes on your own. But you persist.
I’m not going by what Martin said, I could care less about what he says about himself. I’m going by what others said about him and the data freely available on the Internet.
It’s obvious that not only aren’t you a musician, but you also don’t know Beatles history very well. By 1969, yes the Beatles had learned a lot from Martin about arrangement and production. But in 1962 when they met Martin they were a live band, the best in the world, but the knew NOTHING about how to make a record, arrange it and produce it. they didn’t even have knowledge of other instruments.
I’m talking about the 7 years of incredible music accumulated before 1969 when I praise Martin, and by contrast you keep obsessing about 1969 only.
You keep stubbornly relying upon the “hours of film”. that’s your “proof”. But what you obviously don’t know is that there is only ONE film in all the 8 year endeavor of all the Beatle’s recording process, the Let it Be sessions from 1969. Based upon those particular “hours of film” you think you’re an expert, but you only expose your lack of Beatle lore to those of us who know better.
The whole Let It Be concept was to create a “live” album in the studio, stripping down the music to a live act as in Liverpool days, albeit in the studio, without lush production. and then make a movie of that endeavor. That’s why they had to add Billy Preston to the album, bec by that time their music was so advanced they needed a fifth musician to round out even the live act. That’s also why Martin was mostly absent, because it was supposed to be “unproduced” as it were.
But that’s also why Let It Be is considered by the Beatles themselves and others as their WORST album, which was then ruined by Phil Spector’S production, because Martin himself refused to touch the mess the Beatles created on their own. That’s why the surviving Beatles re-released the Naked Let It Be in the 1990s, to strip it back down to their original intent.
The ultimate proof that you’re totally in water too deep for you, and lack fundamental Beatle knowledge, is that a few months after the Let It Be fiasco, in late 1969 the Beatles BEGGED Martin to return and produce Abbey Road, which is an incredible album, the last one.
you continue to write nonsense and unfounded criticism of Martin. you also use your imagination to create facts and criticism instead of taking the necessary time to research, learn, to read plenty of info freely available on the Internet. just read the entry about Martin on Wiki, and you’ll see just the opposite of what you fabricated about their solo careers and his post-Beatle work: Both Paul and Ringo used Martin as their producer in their solo careers; other artists came to him.
and by the way, John, George and Ringo did not have stellar solo careers. All 3 had ups and downs; john didn’t do anything for 5 years between 1975-1980. He raised Shaun instead. even Paul had some quiet years here and there as a solo artist.
Paul, the one Beatle who probably needed Martin the least as his producer as a solo artist, still used him decades on. And made many programs with Martin re-creating the production process. Paul obviously doesn’t agree with you.
john himself gave another interview where he spoke differently of Martin. Here is the link:
czcams.com/video/lrRl065BR2w/video.html&ab_channel=AntPDC
you should also read the comments there.
so yes, John was sometimes arrogant and unappreciative. Great Artists tend to be like that.
I suggest that you write less, and read more. And please stop making up things from your imagination. It’s embarrassing already.
You are so wrong. Do some research on GM's contributions. The straight forward facts will surprise you.
John and another example of his Beatles revisionism.
And “ I was shy” ?? Yeah sure John, we all know how shy you were.
George martin primary role was there to make sure the Beatles deivered all those albums and singles non stop so EMI would make millions.
Remember the Beatles made very little thanks to Epstein
The Beatles also LOST a lot less and kept on track under Epstein! They admitted that they badly needed the influence of “someone in charge”, so much so that 3 of them were monumentally stupid enough to demand Allen Klein manage them.
Yes but due to Epsein they made everything. No one believed in them like he did Christopher.
In the early days John was not much of a musician,is why he was shy of speaking up!!!
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John downplayed others a lot. He knew better. George helped craft their sound.
That's his insecurity and low self esteem.
His insecurities speaking again. He struggled to give praise, especially to the two George’s. He recognised Yoko Ono’s vast musical talent though!
What a joke. How many John songs did George Martin help make timeless with his contributions? A Day in the Life, Strawberry Fields, All You Need is love, I am The Walrus, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. He improved more John songs than Paul songs probably. John did NOTHING on his own.
That is not John Lennon's voice. It's someone impersonating him. Are the words invented then?
Lennon talking here dismissing George Martin this way partly explains his taste in Women..
Yoko Ono.. ugh
This has nothing to do with this video clip, but I wanted to let everyone know that there is a Little Golden Book on The Beatles! I didn't know myself until a few days ago. Taylor Swift ain't got nothing on The Beatles! 🎶❤️
Hmmm,…this from the guy who referred to Yoko as an “artist” and “musician”.
Clearly he was not qualified to judge people.
NO George Martin = NO BEATLES, luv. Without him you'd be fucking Gerry & The Pacemakers.
Yeah I’m sure A Day in the Life is all John…🙄🙄🙄
Goes to show that John wasn't quite as skilled as George & Paul...