Since we filmed, Cloud went ahead and announced that they're going to support Surefire tailcaps with their legacy body. W. More information here: czcams.com/video/H5LTUCJRiio/video.html&pp=ygUPY2xvdWQgZGVmZW5zaXZl
Really love the work you all put into things you don't make products for even! You are super informative and I appreciate all the hard work and information I get from all of your videos! Happy M7 owner and happy to buy anything I need in the future... assuming you have a product that will fit the combo I run for it lol!!
Thanks for the feedback Brandon. These videos are one of the ways we can give back to the community. We have the equipment, so off we go to test. Thanks for supporting us as well! We continue to grow our support for different combinations of pistols and lights, so we can support more people running less common setups. Blessings!
I knew I should've waited for your review on the rein 3.0. Kind of disappointed it didnt perform at the advertised candela rating. Especially from a reputable company. The hrt is a good contender. The torture test will solidify my decision between the two. Thank you! Also, I don't quite understand what the chart is saying at the 6:34 mark.
i have multiple streamlight hlx. If i had the budget for my dream builds, I'd happily go with new Reins from CD. I've heard so many great things about that company.
Just started watching your videos very informative. If I could give you some positive feedback. When you first started off naming the brand of light. You didn't put it up on the screen you gave the data on each light but again not the name. In the future if you could put the name along with the features. That way if you are good pause the video write down all the information at once. Thanks so much keep up the good work
I am thinking of mod light and cloud defensive I do you use cloud defensive mount for the STO7 switch which is a momentary and then the DS07 tail cap which has push button
They're more a novelty than a practical use item on a rifle for most instances. See Brass Fact's thoughts on the subject here: czcams.com/video/7ASwvA7k-6M/video.html
@@freneticfanatic i understand the sentiment, but that video focuses on only one company, and doesn’t bring up the different caps that allow the LEP to have spill aswell as throw. ( czcams.com/video/QPE1GO-Bf2k/video.html )This video has a better view of top lights going head to head, and in the video they show the LEP with caps on
Love the tests you do! All of the lights are basically the same, I have run a OKW for a couple years and I recently bought the SureFire Turbo which I'm happy with because it's SureFire, simple as that
Hello, is premium rifle lights lumen full run time test non stop from turning light on until battery dies or like for example if you turn light off and wait to get cool gonna return to maximum beam power?
Another great video. I really like the Cloud Defense light but am not a fan of the tape switch. The light its self seems to be built the most durable. With that said I just recently picked up a AWLS and I am really liking it. Being able to use a surefire tape switch with it is also a huge plus. Also, Its the cheapest option of the 4.
I'm waiting for the hrt awls to release their own tape switch since all other options don't draw enough amps for the light to give max performance. This is barely noticeable inside the home but the second you step past just 25 yards you can see a huge difference in performance.
HRT really surprised me at a lowlight class; bright white, cuts through smoke and other lights, and has a long throw. The nipple is probably my fav part: I hate the cloud switch.
Can you explain why previous OKW lights meter significantly less than what you report in this video for the OKW? In your handheld video you report 68,520 candela for the OKW but report significantly higher here. In my testing at 2 meters I reported similar numbers as you did in your handheld video. I understand a slight difference due to chip but sn approximate 16.75% increase in this video…? Is you’re equipment slightly off?
For my current usage the HRT AWLS is litteraly the *perfect* platform. I have both the full size and compact. I don't run any kind of night vision setup and was never a fan of actuation through pressure switch. It's 1 piece design keeps it nice and light weight while being extremely tough and out of the way. If you don't like the tail cap you can literally unscrew it and use a traditional button which makes the light body even smaller. No light on the market even compares to size and power.
Shame the HRT is a direct M-LOK mount only from what I have seen. The SureFire and ModLite hole spacing works great with my Unity Tactical Hub and LightWing, and I'm not sure but it looks like the CD REIN 3.0 might be compatible, too.
Can you answer how the rein 3.0 compares to the arisaka defensive E2HT or E2XT heads? I can't decide between any of these 3 three options for general purposes
E2XTL is an incredible light, it tough, and I love it and it’s the 18650 version of the E2XT if you need the candela though and you’re not willing to get a surefire, then get the cloud
as of now for having both the rein and the hrt, (yes i got both), they work great. my main one is the rein, its just the better all around. hrt is still a fantastic pick.
Nice to see that the 3.0 lives up to what CD claimed. The 2.0 seemed like teaser for the 3. Unfortunate for those who bought the 2 then the 3 dropped 6 months later.
I think the rein 3.0 is an awesome light however I think they dropped the ball with only being able to run the proprietary pressure switch. They should have made the tailcap compatible with surefire. I can't run any dual switches with any ir lasers. And I have that big cloud pressure pad on my rail taking up to much space. Awesome light output but dropped the ball on that one. Could have taken over the market
@theflypilot the cloud pressure pads aren't very good in my opinion. I wanted to be able to use other companys switches. Now I have the cloud legacy body with the surefire ds00 tail cap with axon dual switch to my light and to my ngal. I just hate when a company makes a product and limits you to there product only. The best way to take the market over Is to make an awesome product and make it compatible with stuff the people already have.
I run sure fire scout lights mini scout light pro on a short barrel and 500 lm is good enough for myself and the other like that I use is also this year fire it’s dual fuel that uses the rechargeable battery which gives you 1500 lm and you can use to CR 123s using that you get 1000 lm so I’d rather have a 1500 lm I am somewhat conflicted on should I have a shorter working light on bye 14 five or my short barrel bow both the 500 lm and 1500 lm when fully charged works amazing and will definitely if you have say a home invader or what not it will definitely give you a One or two seconds which is very very I’d say important because .1 of a second can basically the give you the upper hand as especially at night they’re gonna flinch enough time to break You’re shot
Does anyone know if the wires coming out of the body in the CD REIN 3.0 are removable? I.E could it be used as a very powerful handheld duty light? I like its size and output for this particular application.
I just checked for you... the REIN3 head fits on the MCH body. In particular, I put the head used in this testing on a MCH-HC. I swapped the heads, and each light worked fine -- the REIN3 body with the MCH-HC head, and the MCH body with the REIN3 head. The REIN3 head is both a little wider and longer than the MCH head that I tested.
The new Olight Javelot Tac would be my choice. I took the Cloud Defensive OWL off of my 300BLK SBR home defense rifle and replaced it with the Javelot Tac. The OWL just sits on a shelf now.
I’ve got the javelot tac and micro rein 2.0 on two different rifles. You can tell the cloud is higher quality but beam pattern and output is basically a wash. Cloud is a warmer tint that I like. Cloud has a smaller pressure switch which I like, but the momentary button is very hard to press and can flicker if you don’t press it hard enough. Threw an arisaka mount on the javelot tac since the stock mount wouldn’t allow the pressure switch mounted next to the light. Love the magnetic charging ability of olight but hate that you have to use the proprietary 18500 battery that can’t be charged outside the light. For half the price, can’t go wrong with olight for casual use.
I am also interested to see what Shan's results are with the Javelot Tac. My garage gear shows it to be pretty on-spec: almost exactly 1000 lumens and 80000 candela. Olight doesn't specify the beam intensity in candela, but the 600 meter throw translates to 90000 candela. Even though that's an 11% difference in candela, the beam distance is only off by 6%.
There's 3 disc that you can use to make actuation much more deliberate and if you still are worried about accidental scenarios then the cap can be easily removed which reveals a recessed button underneath, keeping the extremely high power while significantly reducing its size.
The stream light protac 2.0 was a serious disappointment. I was able to over look the proprietary battery I just bought 2extra. But, the new plug they use is crap. I have it on a 5.45x39 ak. I shot about 100 rounds of 7n6 2 different times hosing the gun down really well after each time the gun has 0 rust anywhere on it. I unplugged the switch the other day to find it full of corrosion meaning that oring does not seal the port adequately. Really disappointed. I should have bought the original. I tried new products on that right and every one of them is garbage. The PSA Soviet arms sa30\31 is a zenit clone and it wiggles now. Lesson learned.
Alex, the Protac 2.0 is in our test set for the budget lights. Please email me at lab at werkz.com with any pictures or details. I'm also interested to see if I can replicate the issue in my torture testing. Thanks for sharing.
Cloud defensive sucks ass. Long story short I had a mch hc edc and mch duty. Every light flickered. It's a huge problem in their fb page group. 3 posts daily about their light flickering. Cloud kept sending out tail caps. That was just a bandaid to a bigger design flaw in their lights. 2 months later they would flicker again. Funny I was on a call clearing a house with 2 other officers. I had to stop and fart arohmd with the duty light to get it to stop flickering. Had to unscrew it take the battery out and fart around to get it to not flicker anymore. That was the last straw for me. I got all new tail caps and sold the lights off. That's whete I draw the line. Been a flashlight enthusiast for years and none of my other lights do this. Something to do with the battery not making full contact in the light there for the flicker. I believe the batteries are too short. They need to figure their crap out
But why must Cloud continually lie to customers with their inflated values while Surefire and Modlite continually tell the truth, if not under spec. their products.
@harisyoung4110 put your cloud in an integrating sphere, and it will not match up to Clouds specs. Put an M640 Scout light in, and it will be spot on to what SF specs.
@lcusatis I don't care if it matches up to their specs. What I care about is it being the brightest, best wml on the market, which it undoubtedly is. Couldn't care less what Cloud claims the specs are, I want the best of the best and Cloud is it
Since we filmed, Cloud went ahead and announced that they're going to support Surefire tailcaps with their legacy body. W. More information here: czcams.com/video/H5LTUCJRiio/video.html&pp=ygUPY2xvdWQgZGVmZW5zaXZl
Curious how these legacy bodies with SF caps stack up against standard 3.0 in lab tests. I wonder if the output curve and runtime is -10% throughout
Excellent work once again guys! Looking forward to the rest.
Thanks Dustin! So am I!
Great videos as usual, thanks guys
What a solid video! Just found you - awesome stuff Mr. Werkz, this light comparison was exactly what I was looking for.
Really love the work you all put into things you don't make products for even! You are super informative and I appreciate all the hard work and information I get from all of your videos! Happy M7 owner and happy to buy anything I need in the future... assuming you have a product that will fit the combo I run for it lol!!
Thanks for the feedback Brandon. These videos are one of the ways we can give back to the community. We have the equipment, so off we go to test. Thanks for supporting us as well! We continue to grow our support for different combinations of pistols and lights, so we can support more people running less common setups. Blessings!
Fantastic video, very informative.
You guys are the only source of objective data in this space! Looking forward to the destructive testing
Thanks! That's what my intent is... be unbiased and just provide the facts. I'm looking forward to destroying these lights too!
@@WerkzHolsters appreciate your work!
Im a Surefire guy and have the full size turbo x 2 but great work Cloud Defensive!!!
Great video underrated channel.
once again, awesome content that directs my spending decisions.
Thanks much! That's exactly what we hope to do -- help people make informed decisions with objective data.
Thank you ! a very useful !
My top pick for weapon light reviews.
I have the cloud Rein 3.0. If you have any doubts just get it. I had the Rein 1.0 and upgraded to the Rein 3.0. Amazing light.
Great information Shan! Thanks and Blessings!
Blessings to you and yours as well!
@@WerkzHolsters 🙏
I knew I should've waited for your review on the rein 3.0. Kind of disappointed it didnt perform at the advertised candela rating. Especially from a reputable company. The hrt is a good contender. The torture test will solidify my decision between the two. Thank you!
Also, I don't quite understand what the chart is saying at the 6:34 mark.
Mod light boys are feeling down tonight 😂
Excellent video, I would love to see a comparison with plhv2 next time.
Thanks! We have a comparison of the Modlite heads on CZcams if you want to check that out.
Thank you !!!🙏
you guys don't get enough use for the quality of work you do
I enjoy making the videos. It's one of the ways we can give back to the firearms community. And we get to geek out on gear at the same time!
Great video!
Thanks!
Best informative videos on the web
Thanks for the encouragement!
Thanks for the data
You are most welcome!
i have multiple streamlight hlx. If i had the budget for my dream builds, I'd happily go with new Reins from CD. I've heard so many great things about that company.
CD are the only lights I buy
Just started watching your videos very informative. If I could give you some positive feedback. When you first started off naming the brand of light. You didn't put it up on the screen you gave the data on each light but again not the name. In the future if you could put the name along with the features. That way if you are good pause the video write down all the information at once. Thanks so much keep up the good work
I am thinking of mod light and cloud defensive I do you use cloud defensive mount for the STO7 switch which is a momentary and then the DS07 tail cap which has push button
Great vids, i hope you can add weltool and z bolt to the next test!
Thanks for the feedback! We have products here from both companies... so many lights... so little time!
They're more a novelty than a practical use item on a rifle for most instances. See Brass Fact's thoughts on the subject here:
czcams.com/video/7ASwvA7k-6M/video.html
@@freneticfanatic i understand the sentiment, but that video focuses on only one company, and doesn’t bring up the different caps that allow the LEP to have spill aswell as throw. ( czcams.com/video/QPE1GO-Bf2k/video.html )This video has a better view of top lights going head to head, and in the video they show the LEP with caps on
Gonna have to go snag a Rein 3.0 now 👀
This compelling produced and shot video must have convinced you!
Love the tests you do! All of the lights are basically the same, I have run a OKW for a couple years and I recently bought the SureFire Turbo which I'm happy with because it's SureFire, simple as that
Sounds like you have experience with some of the best lights out there!
Best low light data available
That's my plan!
Out here doing the lords work.
Hello, is premium rifle lights lumen full run time test non stop from turning light on until battery dies or like for example if you turn light off and wait to get cool gonna return to maximum beam power?
Another great video. I really like the Cloud Defense light but am not a fan of the tape switch. The light its self seems to be built the most durable. With that said I just recently picked up a AWLS and I am really liking it. Being able to use a surefire tape switch with it is also a huge plus. Also, Its the cheapest option of the 4.
Thanks for sharing your feedback!
I'm waiting for the hrt awls to release their own tape switch since all other options don't draw enough amps for the light to give max performance. This is barely noticeable inside the home but the second you step past just 25 yards you can see a huge difference in performance.
I’m just gonna say, you should include Malkoff devices
me patiently waiting for weltool, and malkoff light test
BEST LIGHT VIDEO EVER!!
Great review! Which manufacturer is the Bronze AR from? It looks awesome!
Seekins Precision. They're made only an hour south of us too!
@@WerkzHolsters Thank you very much for the fast respond. Greetings from Germany!
HRT really surprised me at a lowlight class; bright white, cuts through smoke and other lights, and has a long throw. The nipple is probably my fav part: I hate the cloud switch.
Yall are a cool company
Thanks much!
Thanks
Glad it was helpful.
Can you take a look at Goonbeam? I am interested in their assault lights lineup
I'll talk with him about it...
Let's see the mch duty from cloud lol grapphs and all!
Can you explain why previous OKW lights meter significantly less than what you report in this video for the OKW?
In your handheld video you report 68,520 candela for the OKW but report significantly higher here.
In my testing at 2 meters I reported similar numbers as you did in your handheld video. I understand a slight difference due to chip but sn approximate 16.75% increase in this video…?
Is you’re equipment slightly off?
For my current usage the HRT AWLS is litteraly the *perfect* platform. I have both the full size and compact. I don't run any kind of night vision setup and was never a fan of actuation through pressure switch.
It's 1 piece design keeps it nice and light weight while being extremely tough and out of the way. If you don't like the tail cap you can literally unscrew it and use a traditional button which makes the light body even smaller. No light on the market even compares to size and power.
Shame the HRT is a direct M-LOK mount only from what I have seen. The SureFire and ModLite hole spacing works great with my Unity Tactical Hub and LightWing, and I'm not sure but it looks like the CD REIN 3.0 might be compatible, too.
You can use the torch head from the awls on both modlight & surefire light bodies.
Can we make a video abou te new fenix GL06 ? tks!!
I have a couple under test right now!
Can you answer how the rein 3.0 compares to the arisaka defensive E2HT or E2XT heads? I can't decide between any of these 3 three options for general purposes
E2XTL is an incredible light, it tough, and I love it and it’s the 18650 version of the E2XT if you need the candela though and you’re not willing to get a surefire, then get the cloud
@shootintheshtpodcast thanks friend
as of now for having both the rein and the hrt, (yes i got both), they work great. my main one is the rein, its just the better all around. hrt is still a fantastic pick.
Nice to see that the 3.0 lives up to what CD claimed. The 2.0 seemed like teaser for the 3. Unfortunate for those who bought the 2 then the 3 dropped 6 months later.
I also have a video in the can with full data on the 1.0 versus 2.0 versus 3.0. So stay tuned...
2.0 is still a great light. If you can find one cheap (under 300) it’s a great option.
@@lailer1975 no doubt, but I couldn’t justify dumping my 1.0 for it. Then they popped out the 3.0 right after it.
Yeah i dont know why they even bothered releasing the 2.0 if the 3.0 was that close
they do sell the head separate
I think the rein 3.0 is an awesome light however I think they dropped the ball with only being able to run the proprietary pressure switch. They should have made the tailcap compatible with surefire. I can't run any dual switches with any ir lasers. And I have that big cloud pressure pad on my rail taking up to much space. Awesome light output but dropped the ball on that one. Could have taken over the market
They actually have what they call the Rein Legacy light body. It is a Rein 3.0 compatible light body that accepts surefire tailcaps.
@@quetzocotal36 I just got told about that and ordered one. It came in yesterday actually. Now it's an awesome light
@@JohnSmith-he4xn What's the benefit of a compatible tailcap? I'm new to this.
@theflypilot the cloud pressure pads aren't very good in my opinion. I wanted to be able to use other companys switches. Now I have the cloud legacy body with the surefire ds00 tail cap with axon dual switch to my light and to my ngal. I just hate when a company makes a product and limits you to there product only. The best way to take the market over Is to make an awesome product and make it compatible with stuff the people already have.
I run sure fire scout lights mini scout light pro on a short barrel and 500 lm is good enough for myself and the other like that I use is also this year fire it’s dual fuel that uses the rechargeable battery which gives you 1500 lm and you can use to CR 123s using that you get 1000 lm so I’d rather have a 1500 lm I am somewhat conflicted on should I have a shorter working light on bye 14 five or my short barrel bow both the 500 lm and 1500 lm when fully charged works amazing and will definitely if you have say a home invader or what not it will definitely give you a One or two seconds which is very very I’d say important because .1 of a second can basically the give you the upper hand as especially at night they’re gonna flinch enough time to break You’re shot
Does anyone know if the wires coming out of the body in the CD REIN 3.0 are removable? I.E could it be used as a very powerful handheld duty light? I like its size and output for this particular application.
I just checked for you... the REIN3 head fits on the MCH body. In particular, I put the head used in this testing on a MCH-HC. I swapped the heads, and each light worked fine -- the REIN3 body with the MCH-HC head, and the MCH body with the REIN3 head. The REIN3 head is both a little wider and longer than the MCH head that I tested.
@@WerkzHolsters thank you, kind sir! Did you get the same output? Arent the batteries different?
@@lucasrosa5912 MCH-DF uses either 18650 or 2 x CR123 batteries. I use it for EDC and a MCH-HC for work.
Surefire is sad. Great video.
Thanks! We put a lot of effort into these so people can make an informed decision for themselves.
The AWLS head is Surefire compatible but the tailcap is NOT. It uses the same thread as the head because the body is reversible.
Thanks Tony for challenging me on this! Sounds like you might have one... if so how do you like it?
🔦
Any chance the TLR-1 HPL will make it into the second tier of lights?
The budget lights do include a Streamlight... Video is being produced, so should be out "soon".
The new Olight Javelot Tac would be my choice. I took the Cloud Defensive OWL off of my 300BLK SBR home defense rifle and replaced it with the Javelot Tac. The OWL just sits on a shelf now.
You're the second person to mention a light we have in our budget light testing... stay tuned for our data on your choice!
@@WerkzHolsters excellent. I look forward to seeing how they stack up. I loved them so much that I now have three.
I’ve got the javelot tac and micro rein 2.0 on two different rifles. You can tell the cloud is higher quality but beam pattern and output is basically a wash. Cloud is a warmer tint that I like. Cloud has a smaller pressure switch which I like, but the momentary button is very hard to press and can flicker if you don’t press it hard enough. Threw an arisaka mount on the javelot tac since the stock mount wouldn’t allow the pressure switch mounted next to the light. Love the magnetic charging ability of olight but hate that you have to use the proprietary 18500 battery that can’t be charged outside the light. For half the price, can’t go wrong with olight for casual use.
I am also interested to see what Shan's results are with the Javelot Tac. My garage gear shows it to be pretty on-spec: almost exactly 1000 lumens and 80000 candela. Olight doesn't specify the beam intensity in candela, but the 600 meter throw translates to 90000 candela. Even though that's an 11% difference in candela, the beam distance is only off by 6%.
👍🏻
I liked Modlite until they hit menopause.
Imagine a rein 3.0 with a 21700 battery
Imagine a CD product actually producing what they advertise for output 👀😂
pew pew pew
The HRT switch looks very prone to accidental discharges, seems like a terrible idea
There's 3 disc that you can use to make actuation much more deliberate and if you still are worried about accidental scenarios then the cap can be easily removed which reveals a recessed button underneath, keeping the extremely high power while significantly reducing its size.
The stream light protac 2.0 was a serious disappointment. I was able to over look the proprietary battery I just bought 2extra. But, the new plug they use is crap. I have it on a 5.45x39 ak. I shot about 100 rounds of 7n6 2 different times hosing the gun down really well after each time the gun has 0 rust anywhere on it. I unplugged the switch the other day to find it full of corrosion meaning that oring does not seal the port adequately. Really disappointed. I should have bought the original. I tried new products on that right and every one of them is garbage. The PSA Soviet arms sa30\31 is a zenit clone and it wiggles now. Lesson learned.
Alex, the Protac 2.0 is in our test set for the budget lights. Please email me at lab at werkz.com with any pictures or details. I'm also interested to see if I can replicate the issue in my torture testing. Thanks for sharing.
@@WerkzHolsters will do
@@WerkzHolsters sent
Cloud defensive sucks ass.
Long story short I had a mch hc edc and mch duty. Every light flickered. It's a huge problem in their fb page group. 3 posts daily about their light flickering. Cloud kept sending out tail caps. That was just a bandaid to a bigger design flaw in their lights. 2 months later they would flicker again.
Funny I was on a call clearing a house with 2 other officers. I had to stop and fart arohmd with the duty light to get it to stop flickering. Had to unscrew it take the battery out and fart around to get it to not flicker anymore.
That was the last straw for me. I got all new tail caps and sold the lights off. That's whete I draw the line. Been a flashlight enthusiast for years and none of my other lights do this. Something to do with the battery not making full contact in the light there for the flicker. I believe the batteries are too short. They need to figure their crap out
yall should have waited one week.. modlite is releasing its HOG rifle light that would probably put these to shame.
There always seems to be something around the corner, right?
still waiting for the death match...
We're working on it!
But why must Cloud continually lie to customers with their inflated values while Surefire and Modlite continually tell the truth, if not under spec. their products.
Did u see the difference n light?
What did they lie ? my cloud rein flashlight is clearly brighter if compare side by side with my surefire scout light.
@harisyoung4110 put your cloud in an integrating sphere, and it will not match up to Clouds specs. Put an
M640 Scout light in, and it will be spot on to what SF specs.
@lcusatis I don't care if it matches up to their specs. What I care about is it being the brightest, best wml on the market, which it undoubtedly is. Couldn't care less what Cloud claims the specs are, I want the best of the best and Cloud is it
@wollsmoth69 It isn't, though. The Modlite PLHV2 has higher candela, longer runtime, and more lumens.
These stupid expensive lights need STROBE!!!!!!! SmH
your warehouse test is fuckin creepy bro
how much did. clout pay you to say this
Yeah they paid him. Ignore the data and work CD put into their light lol that he's taken the time to measure and show us.