Is the United Methodist Church Guilty of Apostasy?
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Yes, the UMC has become apostates. We should conform to the Word of God, not the culture.
Amen!
Yes, exactly.
Amen
The UMC was always apostate.
@@synergyb3926 Yes sir! They were also for the KKK.
“The church does not determine what the Bible teaches. The Bible determines what the church must teach.”
-Charles Spurgeon
Ironically the same spurgeon thinks that Calvin and Calvinism is greater than the Bible
@@Dilley_G45 1 Corinthians 12:13
King James Version
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
@AaronBailey-uw7lg Well, praise God for the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on Calvary! 😊
@@nickshively1192 good job quoting the Bible. And how does that relate to my post?
@AaronBailey-uw7lg So how do you square the fact that Paul converted the Ephesians, Corinthians, Cretans, Greeks, etc.and never made use of ANY of the Old Testament? I've got news for you, these Gentile converts wouldn't hear about Moses until about 300 years after Paul's death. They wouldn't have any knowledge about the 10 or any other old Testament commandments for three centuries, at LEAST. Why would GENTILES know anything about Jewish law? Paul did not preach Judaism, Jewish customs or traditions to the people of the Eastern Roman Empire. And yet they were baptized and made Christan. just as much as those in Jerusalem who HAD been Jews.
It is not a “change in policy.” It is a declaration that to the UMC God’s word is no longer authoritative.
The UMC has always been apostate. It never followed the word of God completely, only the convenient parts.
The Bible was written by men, fyi
@@reallysomebody
That's your opinion troll
@@RoyCyberPunk No. What you just wrote is an opinion. What jdc4483 wrote is a FACT. The UMC has clearly stated they don't accept the Bible as authoritative.
@TulsaSooner1979
I wasn't replying to the OP but to an obnoxious leftist troll under the name @reallysomebody. 🙄🤷🏾♂️🙄
Yes, they are apostate. They are blaspheming and need to repent for the sake of their souls.
1 Corinthians 3 verse 16. They believe they can hide behind a church here on earth. This verse is critical. 'They' will give an accounting DIRECTLY to Jesus. 'They' need to be made to understand this otherwise, there is a chance 'they' were not saved and will not be saved.
More churches wanted to leave but couldn’t afford to buy their property from the church. We left the Methodist church
Maybe they should start house churches/communities. That's how it was when Christianity started anyway, families making up small communities.
Simply leave and find a Church that doesn't condone sin. Orthodox, Catholic, Confessional Lutheran...
get out of that church for the sake of your soul.
They've taken over Hollywood, the media, the government & now the church ! It must be close to the end. 🔥
I left, found a new church strong in the Gospel
And Every. Other. Church. While you're at it.
@@reallysomebody
And why don't you go drink water from the toilet after you take a 💩 without flushing after all water is water.
@@RoyCyberPunk so that's how you do communion at your church?
Lust of the flesh is not love Jesus taught us … Jesus will tell these people I never knew you . Lord please open their hearts to see you and know you more and repent .
Amen!
So sad. They are so lost. They have been on a slippery slope for MANY years. I was raised a Methodist and saw how they twisted God's word (once I actually read the Bible myself) I left. I saw a denomination not showing me where I was wrong. They left me in my pit. Praise God the truth of the word convicted me, and Jesus pulled me out of my pit.
Are you saying they don’t teach about repentance? I’m not familiar with Methodist doctrine.
@@NoNameNumberTwo they have accepted LGBT etc as not a sin. They are even allowed to be ministers.
John Wesley is turning in his grave..
& Charles
George Whitfield. I remember reading about Wesley's Holy Club. This UMC is Sin. Period 😇
He sure is rolling his in grave. My great grandparents d’ be horrified. 😿. If they were still around.
The UMC should abstain from using the Methodist name. If there's any honesty left among them , then, they should use a new name, one that declares their beliefs such as "The Damned Church of the Apostasy."
Why is he in the grave?
Yes,, the UMC is strongly embracing apostacy. They have chosen politics over the Bible. Run from the UMC 2024.
They have chosen God's children and I applaud them. Love is love.
@@reallysomebody😂😂😂
@@Dave-if5qj men wrote the bible, not god
@@reallysomebodymen wrote the Bible inspired by The Holy Spirit (God) 🕊 🕊 🕊
@@reallysomebodyGross 😝
The UMC has been guilty of apostosy for many decades. Consequently, many of their 'churches' are closing their doors. Very sad. "Your Word Lord, is a lamp for my feet, and a light for my path. "
UMC, ELCA, PCUSA, ABCUSA, UUA, TEC Fallen
@Brucev7 I am honestly asking what churches do you think are still bible based?
@@user-ol1hq2zs9e Calvary Chapels go through the Bible verse by verse.
@fibonacho thanks for the reply. I'll have to look into it. We go to a church now that's good, but it's non-denominational.
@@user-ol1hq2zs9eThere’s nothing wrong with being non-denominational you just need to be watchful for things that run counter to scripture and doctrine which clearly you need to do with even denominational churches too. In the area I’m in there are many non- denominational churches that are scripture-based and spiritually sound. Some have ecclesiastical coverings and some don’t. You have to take it case by case.
The Gospel written in the Holy Bible cannot be changed. Sin is sin. Penalty is spiritual death and condemnation in hell.
LOVE is LOVE. Why do you hate it
@@reallysomebodyThese kind is arguments are empty. If I justify adultery or polygamy or even incest by claiming love is love it makes no sense. Once you begin to scrutinize any of these relationships it becomes clear that there is a righteous and holy love and something else parading as love. Just claiming something is love doesn’t make it so.
@@reallysomebody
Water is water so why don't you go drink water from the toilet after you take a 💩 without flushing?
BTW is not hate to tell the truth and if a church disavows the Bible and its guidelines then its no longer a Christian church anymore than a KFC restaurant no longer serving the KFC menu is a KFC anymore.
@reallysomebody
And water is water so why don't you go drink water from the toilet after you take a 💩 in it without flushing?
@@reallysomebodylove is love? Toilet water is still water. Why judge it if I bring you a glass on ice?
It is truly a shame that after all these years, my wife and I have to find another church .
No you do not. Ask God, and He will lead you to the congregation where He wants you.
It’s not a shame. God wants good things for his people. For the people who love God. It’s a blessing
@@sonyaberry9805 God wants us to turn away from our sin. scripture is very clear that we are to love the sinner but hate the sin. To condone someone's sinfulness goes clearly against God's word. To put people in leadership who have not turned away from their sin and repented for it is a disgrace.
May God have mercy on those who pervert the Holy Bible 😢
You mean the way Trump did
I wouldn't pray that God has mercy on them.
@@reallysomebody By endorsing the Bible that was created to memorialize the 20th Anniversary of Sept 11th? You are warped.
@@fibonacho you picked trump as your lord and savior and you should be embarrassed. He is everything Jesus wasn't. And you wonder why youth are fleeing the church.
@@reallysomebody I didn't realize I was talking with a smooth brain who only regurgitates the same old lame script. Matthew 7:6 applies here.
It is no longer a church
Nope 🙅 unfortunately not. 😿.
“Avoiding exclusively male language for God…”
I find it most ironic that the progressive woke have decided not to honor God’s preferred pronoun of Heavenly Father.
The UMC has chosen to put other gods before Father God Almighty.
Has not the Presbyterian Church been similarly apostate? Ordaining homosexuals.
Episcopal too.
Yes, there are also men in dresses in the church and drag Queen story hours!
UMC, ELCA, PCUSA, ABCUSA, UUA, TEC Fallen
@@Lonesoul9791 UMC, ELCA, PCUSA, ABCUSA, UUA, TEC Fallen
All denominations are apostate. The Catholic Church is, too. You have to look high & low to find a church that actually follows God’s word completely.
The ‘falling away’ must happen!
Amen, it's been prophesied.
Amen. And I thank God for opening my eyes to the truth about this church.
Mhmm... and it already is. I get the sinking feeling, that we've only, in reality, seen the start of the "Great Falling Away", and that it's only going to get much worse.
2 Thess 2
Just not in my home. 😉
And just as they did not see fit to recognize God, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do the things that are not proper,
Yep. Romans 1 world. Sure wish we could all turn the page on that one and get to another chapter!
Romans 1:16-32!
What in the world...Praying for the Methodist church! Sin is sin no matter how we look at it & the Bible is clear about this & any sin! 👍☝️ God made Adam & Eve, that is Truth! You shall know the Truth & the Truth shall set you free!
What happened to ALL of god's children
Not everyone is a child of God
@@michaelstaab6209 I would venture to say none of the Christians commenting on here are worthy to call themselves that
@@reallysomebodywho are God's children?
Everyone is not a child of God. There are those who may think they are. God's children adhere to scripture. Those that stay in UMC are not doing that.
I was convicted by the Holy Spirit to recognize that my UMC was going against the Word of God. The Holy Spirit has led me to a Baptist Church that teaches directly from the scriptures. I have been blessed.@reallysomebody
Matthew 7:13-14 New International Version (NIV)
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Yes, yes it is. I am grateful my Grandfather, a Methodist Minister, has not lived to see these days.
Same here with my great grandparents they d’ be rolling in their graves.
Arent you Christian?! Theyre in Heaven. They are watching. Lol
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.
Acts 20:29
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Gods design for marriage is between one man and one woman . There is a reason the Methodist Church was founded on basic biblical principles. These principles did not change. When these principles did not fit certain lifestyles they somehow decided they had the right to rewrite that portion of the Bible. They chose to listen to the world instead of Gods word. They worked their way into positions of authority in the church against the book of discipline with NO CONSEQUENCES. No longer Methodist.
Even if the world is changing, God's principles can not change. In due time, He will judge all! This action is a sign if apostasy!
May God help us to stand for His truth, unchanged and unashamed!
Knock the dust off your heels and leave.
The whole church is apostate if you consider the focus is on biblical times and seasons.
Since when does any pastor think going against the Word is okay?
@@DJ-769 "YOUR" church???? If it's your church then it was never part of the body of Christ. Period.
I have been attending a small United Methodist, a beautiful old church with elderly people; maybe about 15 in attendance each Sunday, many in their 80's. They have gone all their lives to this church as their ancestors, this old relic of a church, being built in the 1800's. Then, about 3 Sundays ago, a letter was read by the minister affirming what this article shares, which my bonus granddaughter heard.... (We raise her & a long story, but I have known her only about 3 years, and church has not been a part of her life before me.)
We are all sinners, and church is a hard place at times to enter because of life choices, which is sad too.
When I became 'Born Again', 'my sweet friend, witness of Jesus' wrapped me in Jesus' love without uplifting my sin. I heard His Words - sin no more....
And it has taken time, but how grateful I heard 'love & sin no more...'
My point is this: when talking with a board member & pastor, I was told I was judgemental because I objected to the Church Governing body, changing, ignoring the Holy Words of God we all have lifted in prayers together; it is so sad.
I can handle this because l know His Truth... my granddaughter does not.
I have a home church I have gone to for years, but due to moving, I have attended this little church because it is right around our country corner.
But so many caught off guard, so many believing the words "you are judgmental."
Please pray for our little church, the elderly here, and sadly the defense of the church by accusing those who object as being judgmental...
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We ARE supposed to judge what is being taught against GODs word. If a church/pastor is not in sync, we are to flee.
Judgement starts with the house of God.
My parents left because they had a woman pastor who would get on social media and cuss and promote homosexuality. She eventually left her husband and is now with another man. What is wrong with this church, letting someone like that be a pastor?
church in Indiana now has a female pastor
We must repent of our sin and turn to god and share our faith about Jesus ✝️🙏👑
Let’s pray for those Methodists that want to follow the Word, but may now not have a building to meet in or are meeting with different fellowships. May the Father, Son and Holy Spirit bless them and cause their churches to grow and prosper even in the apparent chaos and sadness.
I hope the devil doesn't take over any more churches 🙏
@@buttercup4123same here.
Yes, that should be readily apparent to any Christian.
Yes! They are no longer a church as they decided on being a social organization and follow their own path! They went secular and that's that!
That is so very wrong against God’s word
The Methodists have sold out ! 💰
Methodist will be spewed out for lukewarm.
I would say ice cold.
Church of Laodicea in Revelation 3. Overcomers get promoted to the Throne.
For agreeing with an abomination
Yes, but there are other Methodist Denominations like the Church Of The Nazarene and the Global Methodist Church. May the Lord bless them to carry on the torch
They all conduct marriages beyond the one of one's youth so Proverbs 2:16 Marriage is a covenant with one's God a covenant vow.
The Lutherans are going through something similar. Same for the Church of England.
Not all Lutherans. Please don't lump us all together.
Not only, UMC, ELCA, PCUSA, ABCUSA, UUA, TEC Fallen
@@tamianderson3977 Correct. Last I checked, The LCMS was Biblical. Not the ELCA.
Here in the Philippines, a church established by USA evangelical missionaries like UMC, Presbyterians, Congregationalist, etc in 1948 and named as United Church of Christ in the Philippines (UCCP) is now on the verged of conflict of division and break up because of Un Biblical teachings such as liberation theology-social gospel, tolerating LBTQ...lifestyles of church members...etc.
I left the Lutheran church 30+ years ago after the pastor refused to marry me at 19. He didn't feel like our marriage would last more than 5 years. We are still happily married to this day.
Yes they're bringing the apostacy.
There moving forward to joining the coming one world religion.
Wrong they are. They will stand before the great Judge, our Lord Jesus Christ. Heartbreaking! Pray.
God did not create the Methodist. He gave us Jesus His Son to grow in. UMC is devlish and humanistic and its precepts and the influence behind it will burn in hell. Subscribe to Jesus and a personal relationship eith God thru Him, not a denomination. This is a great example of what happens when you look to people and not the Word of God.
@zmoore5555 Paul preached on that in the Word. "Who is Paul, or who is Apollos?" (1 Corinthians 3). So, now I ask what is methodist? What is Lutheran? What is Calvinism? This is blatant disregard and disobedience to the Word of God.
Everyone in the congregation is a sinner so no one in church is "better" or more holy than anyone else. However, condoning sin by incorporating and legitimising it is not biblical. So yes, they are guilty of apostacy.
Bro they will have a baphomet statue on their church soon watch.
Modernist theology has the same modus operandi every time: it begs for a seat at the table, then it argues to be at the head of the table, then it demands that everybody else leaves the table.
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. We in the RCC are going thru the same misery. His Holiness has one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel, at the most he has 5 more years to a pontificate that will not be fondly remembered except by the Rainbow crowd.
Buh Bye UMC. So glad we left. The exit franchise fee was exorbitant but we are out!
I knew it would be a matter of time before they took God's will out of the church. 🔥
There are still Bible churches in the US.
I have lost my desire to go to church because of all the unbiblical nonsense going on in churches today.
Please don’t let the satanic church win. Please know that there are many other people who are faithful Christians.
You will NEVER find a perfect church.
We have “all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”.
So follow Jesus. Not a denomination. Not a church. Not even a pastor.
I used to start at a new church as a pastor and say “Don’t trust anything that I tell you. Lord willing, I will NEVER lead you astray, but your soul is more important.
Trust in Jesus the Christ only. 🙏
Every day I realize my decision to become Orthodox was God gift to me. These people want to modernize Christianity, the thing with that is the world is forever changing so there is no end to what they may change in the next 10 years. 🤦♂️
'Eastern, Russian & Greek Orthodoxy Consists of Idol Worshipers Venerating Pagan Icons & Images'
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Throw all your titles out and worship Jesus. Otherwise, you’ll be very disappointed when your denomination does likewise. Denomination means nothing. Denominations don’t go to heaven. People do, 1 at a time. You follow Jesus and don’t worry about what your neighbor is doing. Your neighbor will always disappoint you. But Jesus won’t.
@@kciwner I choose to follow the ways of the Orthodox Church in relation to the other, but yes you are correct. The focus is always on Jesus my brother 🙏
@@Kris_413 Amen
Many shall depart from the faith Come lord jesus come
They're lost. Apostacy. They tainted the word of God.
@@DJ-769
It's obvious that he meant that they are no longer teaching what's on the Bible.
Yes, yes, and yes the UMC is guilty of apostasy.
This is NOT a church!
And Jesus said I never knew you
As a former UMC pastor told me when I said that they went apostate, "You have to be a Christian before you can become apostate from being Christian!" The UMC ceased to be Christian long before this!
Romans 1:18-32
2 Timothy 4:3-4 and
Jude 1:17-19
They are no longer a faith, but a club. They should have the decency to remove the cross from their churches.
This is why Apostle Pal warned about letting women lead. They lead by feelings and not by the Word of God.
Yes, actually their downward slide to apostasy is complete. Whenever you remove God, humanism fills the void. I watched several video clips from the General Conference, it was a celebration of man, not God. We see Romans Chapter 1 in action. I pray that their eyes will be open but alas the god of this world has blinded them.
Yes! You are absolutely right. I attended a service once, and it was about man's ability to "do good", and the service was filled with "social justice warrior" cries. NO talk of Jesus as Lord, submission, or atonement for sin. They don't even believe in sin anymore. To them, its about morality and all men have "good" hearts. I'm actually surprised that they are just now getting publicity about this. It's been going on there for years!
2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
"For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires," 2 Tim 4
Yes as most churches are not preaching or following the whole Word of God. Most think God's commands were abolished. Which is a lie.
I don’t think that most people think that. Rather, they are fulfilled in Christ.
@@kciwner Fulfilled means to be made full, not to abolish once satisfied. So, if one is fulfilled by their spouse, does one say, ok, we can be unfaithful now. No, That's a misinterpretation of scripture.
@@cheryls3777 I didn’t say abolish. I said he fulfilled it.
@@kciwner Well most teach it that way, that we aren't under law but grace, which is abolishing His law, no matter how you twist it.
@@cheryls3777 we are under grace because the law was fulfilled in Christ. This is what Paul said from beginning to end. But that isn’t a license to sin. Nor in my lifetime have I ever heard a preacher say otherwise. I am 59 years old. I don’t know where you are from that you think most churches are teaching this. I’ve never seen it once. As far as not following the whole word of god, I’d say you are correct. Raising the dead, casting out demons, healing the sick, and praying for mighty signs and wonders are less common. Mostly just a lot of talking followed by no action. Maybe a few charitable works. End of story. I’m describing the North American Church. Across the ocean, a completely different story.
The UMC in Australia is dead too. Most of their churches have closed and their buildings sold off to other churches. The few that remain have small congregations that are dying off too. This is what happens when the UMC embraces sin to be "socially relevant".
Please, Please Please in Jesus Name if you Love the Lord run from these Churches that deny Scripture and live in Un-Confessed open Sin. Find a Church that teaches God's Word of Love, Salvation and Repentance.
Run from these churches folks. You stand accountable before God for your own walk. The preist or Pastor can't save you. God will say unto you in that day, depart from me I Never Knew you.
UMC has gone off the rails!! Sad part is when someone disagrees they are abused!! Beware, breakaway from this Apostate and twisting of Gods word. Global Methodist is a better way. I hope this is a lesson to all denominations.
They will not turn, they like what they are doing. God has turned them over to their own deception
They are not Christian!
They deceived and lied!
Yes. Unless they repent their final destination is clear.
Lol
@@reallysomebody
You are one persistent troll ill give you that now go drink water from the toilet after you take a 💩 without flushing after all water is water remember?
Yes! This is part of the great falling away. Pray, Pray, and Pray some more that God intervenes and gives them a new heart and puts His Spirit in them. God is merciful, let’s ask God to have mercy on them🙏🏽🙏🏽
According to the Almighty God in the Holy Bible-- YES! YES!! YES!!! REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was raised in this church and 30 years ago I sent a letter to revoking my allegiance to this garbage can! Many should come in my name.
We are out of UMC & a bible based, bible believing, & bible preaching church. Praising God we got out with our property to continue spreading the gospel!💒
My church also made it out with our property and are moving forward.
I have thought and reached the Word for 50+ years and have found it safer simply to stick with exactly what the Word says. If you don't trouble will follow. In these "latter days" we need to heed Jesus' warning in Matt 24:24 when He says that "even the elect, if possible, will be deceived". Stick to the Word and you'll be OK!
I'm praying that missionaries from Africa come to America to preach the Gospel.
“Giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.”
And it’s going to get worse.
As the apostle Paul warned us in the Scriptures....in the last days some will apostate from the truth.
Yes, without question. I hope the Southern Baptists don't head that way.
What I told my friend years ago “ These are not my opinions - this is what God says about homosexuality “. Talk to God if you have a problem with His Word.
They are also a dead church. The holy spirt is not present with the members anymore.
"Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons." (1 Timothy 4:1)
The message to God from the United Methodist Church is that He had better keep up with the times if He wants to remain relevant.
God does not play favorites and He cannot be manipulated. He sent the way and there is no other. Lift up Jesus not sin.
This is crazy against scripture
The UMC is over.
True Christian:
-Loving
-Holy
-Righteous
-Pure
-Refine
-Genuine
-Avoid earthly pleasure
-Follow Yeshua and taking up the cross and be citizen of the Kingdom of Yeshua
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They should be considered apostates
Yes, indeed they are quilty of Apostasy.
Short answer, yes. Long answer, very much so, yes.
But this is the inevitability with protestant churches.
Change your title of this video. Easy edit! Move the word, "is" from the beginning and move it before the word, "guilty!" The UMC IS guilty of Apostacy!
Apostates, and any UMC member who leaves might be considered Apostates by the UMC..
United Methodist Church: Because finding our identities in Christ just wasn't good enough.
They are waking with the world, not God's Word. That's how Sodom, Gomorrah, Babylon, Ubar, and others countries fell from grace.
It is tragic! The word of God is the final authority. These people are playing with hell’s fire.
I loved how the C of E originally took a position of, to paraphrase "we understand how life is difficult for you, how you find yourself unable to change, come, be welcome. We turn nobody away. We can't rewrite scripture, or ignore it, but we can invoke the commandment of love and compassion." I loved that.
Sadly, that seems to have morphed into the rainbow radicals taking over the whole liturgical structure.
Now the Methodist Church have gone down the same road.
That’s terrible; this is so disgusting… 🤮👹🤯… how can you mix the bad with the good… 🤯
I just returned from a Global Methodist Church midwest conference in Sioux City, Iowa and wow, what a relief. All the nasty backstabbing filthy protest, slimy arguing, and fighting you always had to put up with in UMC is now gone. The drag queens the flamers pronoun argument gone . We only worship Jesus with prayer and wonderful music what a wonderful experience. If you haven’t changed get it done quickly. I don’t care what it cost. It’s worth every penny to get out from under all that sin. God is blessing GMC.
Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals." He was a community organizer, who would join a community, to include Churches, work his way into positions of leadership, and than start advocating for Non-Christian things. Hillary Clinton was a follower of Saul Alinsky. She also talked about wanting to be a Methodist Pastor prior to the split.
As Christians we are to be of "One Mind." (Philippians 2:2) Major conflicts over politics and theological concepts would be a spiritual crisis. What spirit was someone of?
Just joining our new Baptist church, we've been included in conversations about leaving the SBC. They are putting it up for a vote 8/4. I believe the majority supports leaving. We have shared our experiences with UMC. We still have friends at the UMC we left. They just heard the pastor with their own ears say that the Bible was written by man and not the Word of God. They hightailed it out of that 'Bible Study'.
One million percent. They just don’t care.