Overrated Plants in Plants VS Zombies 2

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  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024

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  • @jaychen6096
    @jaychen6096 Před rokem +3547

    Regarding fire pea, I think part of the reason that the community rates it so highly is how its damage scales with level. On level one, it does the same damage as a repeater, but every level after that it does more damage than repeater. A level 3 fire peashooter does 100 damage per shot while a level 3 repeater only does 30

    • @sammyhorace7523
      @sammyhorace7523 Před rokem +367

      Because fire pea levels go up to 10 while repeater levels go up by 20

    • @GNVS300
      @GNVS300 Před rokem +373

      I'm part of that camp, it's stupid how quickly her damage increases when levelled, plus the Plasma Peas at level 5(?)

    • @cloverhunter8083
      @cloverhunter8083 Před rokem +65

      blue fire how much damage on level 3?

    • @xxizcrilexlxx1505
      @xxizcrilexlxx1505 Před rokem +113

      @@GNVS300 you can use the the torch and duplicate again the damage (using the main example of the original coment 3 firepeas do 300 damage at lv3 and 3 the repeaters do 90x2 aka 180 but 2 repeaters with a a torchwood deal 60x2x2 aka 240 still less so xd this was supposed to show how repeater is better but is not lol) showing how is objetibly better than the firepea (is not lol this is just a joke about how at the start of this comment i thought repeater with torchwood could be better than firepea but it wasnt)

    • @JoseViktor4099
      @JoseViktor4099 Před rokem +46

      I always though It was for the pretty good design , despite being another peashoter It has the best peashoter design imo and expectation, I remember this plant was mentioned since 2014 in Dark Ages update

  • @Nightmare-fe9hr
    @Nightmare-fe9hr Před rokem +2016

    Iceberg lettuce is a plant food sink that also stalls for setting up sun production, not a spammable staller. In the "story" levels of the game, it fits in nicely with the meta

    • @seanwang596
      @seanwang596 Před rokem +125

      and as It levels up to more than 16+ it now does aoe freeze insted of single targeting

    • @peteriliev5225
      @peteriliev5225 Před rokem +77

      Also in Eclise it is absolutely insane with nearly 100% uptime

    • @memelurd7341
      @memelurd7341 Před rokem +26

      Ice bloom might do better as a late game screen freeze tho

    • @melvint-p9500
      @melvint-p9500 Před rokem +22

      How is it not a spammable lol it stalls zombies and it’s free

    • @pinesapp
      @pinesapp Před rokem +85

      @@memelurd7341 how do you realistically get ice bloom before beating the main story

  • @snakesmartyt4433
    @snakesmartyt4433 Před rokem +1453

    I believe Pepper pult is not popular because it takes what feels like a wall-nut long to refresh the seed packet

    • @RGC_animation
      @RGC_animation Před rokem +246

      And it's also just a slightly stronger cabbage for twice the price, which is bad.

    • @SF3L
      @SF3L Před rokem +171

      @@RGC_animation I’ve always wondered why a literal flaming pepper would only be marginally better than a ball of leaves while costing so much more

    • @Squared_Table
      @Squared_Table Před rokem

      Does anyone else think that this guys takes just suck?

    • @tezereth
      @tezereth Před rokem +9

      It deal AoE too

    • @Darkpq1742
      @Darkpq1742 Před rokem +34

      ​@@tezereth Yea its not that good eather lol, You get more Value whit Repeaters

  • @blazie42069
    @blazie42069 Před rokem +975

    The electric blueberry problem is that there is no reason to use it or any other random instakill plants over caulipower, as caulipower instakills and hypotizes, which allows you to snowball the zombies into a hypnotized board. And even if the caulipower instakills the wrong zombie, hypnotized zombies have a lot of value as they can deal extra damage.
    And yes creeps even if its way too broken, I find it very satisfying to get enough caulipowers down to straight up win any level

    • @8thFurno
      @8thFurno Před rokem +34

      I think what would’ve made Electric Blueberry better is if it was more like Banana Launcher allowing you to target zombies. To balance that out, the sun cost shoulda been higher.

    • @sythrus
      @sythrus Před rokem +43

      @@8thFurno well, since the electric plants are often associated with aoe they could have given it some form of chain/splash effect

    • @yonghong4832
      @yonghong4832 Před rokem +9

      ​@@8thFurno i think making electric blueberry prioritize stronger zombies but slightly nerfing her damage will work

    • @JustAnotherCommenter
      @JustAnotherCommenter Před rokem +6

      ​@@sythrus Maybe the splash/chain damage could only be a bit higher than lightning reed's, but I do agree.

    • @8thFurno
      @8thFurno Před rokem +2

      @@yonghong4832that would’ve worked too.

  • @normalchannel2185
    @normalchannel2185 Před rokem +487

    Regarding iceberg, the main reasons why people think it's good are
    1: at the start of the round, it can stall hard enough for you to add one or 2 sun producers before worrying about kills. This comboed with a insta kill like mine or bean allows you to focus on sun for a long time before you truly focus on damage.
    2: its plant food is OP

    • @gaerekxenos
      @gaerekxenos Před rokem +70

      Exactly this -- Iceberg lets you focus on sun so you can straight up place heavy hitters a whole lot earlier, which ironically means... you don't actually have to worry as much about number of plant slots, since you basically only need that heavy hitter down on each lane, then keep reinforcing those lanes. Very contrary to what the video was saying about it being a waste of slots

    • @normalchannel2185
      @normalchannel2185 Před rokem +32

      @@gaerekxenos and its plant food is op in every world except frostbite caves
      And it can stun gargs

    • @eclipse9727
      @eclipse9727 Před rokem +24

      To be honest, I thought people overrated Iceberg Lettuce was due to it's previous availability.
      Can't exactly say for certain now-a-days, but back then Iceberg was pretty dang early in Ancient Egypt; and that and it's competition pretty much being world clears at the time made it much. Much more accessible and thus much more usable.

    • @suki-artsanimations807
      @suki-artsanimations807 Před rokem +11

      Exactly why we use it especially from zen garden. That thing just mwah.

    • @Wishkeirs
      @Wishkeirs Před rokem +9

      True, its in my opinion,a pretty good plant while youre in the early part of the game,where you dont exactly have that many stallers to pick from.
      Other stallers might outclass it,but for the while you have it,it does its job well,affecting Gargantuars and niche torch zombies.

  • @ClonedGamer001
    @ClonedGamer001 Před rokem +593

    I think the reason Fire Peashooter got its reputation is because the plant people compared it to the most was Pepper-Pult. Who worked fine as a heater, but as an actual offensive plant was sort of...not great. Like you said, Fire Peashooter was basically just a cheaper Repeater that could also heat plants. Well, Pepper-Pult cost the same as Repeater but also recharged slowly, attacked less frequently, and did less damage per shot (yes, it had splash damage, but that rarely made up for everything else). So when compared specifically to Pepper-Pult, the plant easiest to compare it to, Fire Peashooter seemed super powerful.

    • @RenShinomiya121
      @RenShinomiya121 Před rokem +64

      Fire Peashooter got it's reputation because when considering leveling the plants, Fire Peashooter's damage scales so high with it's level. Compared to the repeater, which has the same damage as Fire Peashooter in lv1, Repeater at lv3 has 60 dmg, while Fire Peas has 100, that's a huge jump in damage with each level up.

    • @ClonedGamer001
      @ClonedGamer001 Před rokem +53

      @@RenShinomiya121 Also that. But even before leveling was a thing there was this consensus that Fire Peashooter was insanely good.

    • @memelurd7341
      @memelurd7341 Před rokem +14

      Nah it's because fire pea is a female

    • @thewierdone8063
      @thewierdone8063 Před rokem +28

      @@memelurd7341 you learn something new every day

    • @toxic_shr00m
      @toxic_shr00m Před rokem +1

      why are you using past tense words

  • @januszpolak254
    @januszpolak254 Před rokem +425

    You missed the most important reason why Iceberg is considered so good.
    Its PF is literally Ice shroom making it superior staller to Stunion and Stallia if you can afford using plant food on it or you have it boosted from Zen Garden.

    • @leotheyoshi151
      @leotheyoshi151 Před rokem +46

      ​@Dumb Blob you get shadow shroom right at the end of the game most of the time, I'm not certain about most mods. Plus, they serve two different purposes. Iceberg lettuce's plant food freezes zombies across the board, halting movement and stalling zombies, which also has the bonus of not calling the next wave. Shadow shroom affects every plant with a damage over time effect that will call the next wave, perhaps even before everything's dead, which can be deadly depending on that next wave

    • @Rodrigo-kq3js
      @Rodrigo-kq3js Před rokem +4

      ​@SkillEsauits freeeeeeee

    • @leotheyoshi151
      @leotheyoshi151 Před rokem +33

      ​@Dumb Blob still doesn't change the fact that shadow shroom isn't a sufficient replacement for iceberg lettuce, regardless of what your opinions on how good it's plant food is. Also, plant food isn't that rare. I've been able to find around 3-5 on an average level

    • @mathematiciantim3439
      @mathematiciantim3439 Před rokem +22

      @Dumb Blob plant food is definitely quite plentiful in vanilla. Before you unlock shadow shroom, iceberg is probably your best option for a plant food sink, unless you’re playing BWB, in which case you’d want infinut.

    • @Magmatic07
      @Magmatic07 Před rokem +3

      I tend to use iceberg as a potato mine substitute in the early game and as a budget ice bloom in the endgame, after I save up plant food. I prefer stunion otherwise.

  • @RealSpaceCatFallout
    @RealSpaceCatFallout Před rokem +24

    0:03, SPOLIER WARNING

    • @linplant7391
      @linplant7391 Před 19 dny +5

      Holy shit thanks for the spoiler warning. I can't believe creeps didn't give a spoiler warning smh

    • @cheese3764
      @cheese3764 Před 9 dny +2

      NOOOOOOOO

    • @TM_Em0lga
      @TM_Em0lga Před 2 dny +1

      I nearly had a heart attack because of that

  • @helpkirbyhasagun_2047
    @helpkirbyhasagun_2047 Před rokem +449

    I bet you at some point pvz2 is gonna add a cherry bomb style plant but instead of killing, it instant hypnotizes every zombie in a 3x3 area

    • @milkmonstrosity
      @milkmonstrosity Před rokem +163

      It needs to also have some pointless secondary trait, like making hypnotized flying enemies move faster.

    • @paul_particularlyunhappynut
      @paul_particularlyunhappynut Před rokem +52

      goddamn that would be broken. and it would make hypnoshroom even more useless

    • @helpkirbyhasagun_2047
      @helpkirbyhasagun_2047 Před rokem +26

      @@paul_particularlyunhappynut
      Yeah but……..Arena ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @denz8ty648
      @denz8ty648 Před rokem +5

      @@paul_particularlyunhappynut cherry bomb:

    • @s.o.k.1393
      @s.o.k.1393 Před rokem +20

      Nah, that would be too useful. Instead they need to add pokra clone #57

  • @joselee9605
    @joselee9605 Před rokem +247

    Actually the best part of lightning reed is that it ignores all gimmicks, like shovels, umbrellas, changing lanes, jesters etc. It absolutely does not fall off in late game, since you can easily get seed packets to upgrade it. The one problem is that in challenges outside of the main game, it’s far harder to level up after lvl 3, but challenges are pay to win anyways

    • @huntercoda4887
      @huntercoda4887 Před 10 měsíci +4

      He is soooo overatted that he is underrated

    • @loudwhispre9406
      @loudwhispre9406 Před 10 měsíci +26

      If you need to level it to keep it from falling off, then it fell off. You can use most other attackers that you unlock after Reed or even that you unlock in the same world as Reed without ever leveling them, and they never fall off. If you need to pull out the leveling mechanic to make Reed "just meh", then consider what will happen when you level a plant like Melon-Pult or Laser Bean.

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@huntercoda4887 How does that make any sense at all?

    • @Quilquala
      @Quilquala Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@KhajaSodhu what do you not understand all he is saying that if a plant needs to be buffed to be useable, its bad.

    • @user-bm8is3zg6c
      @user-bm8is3zg6c Před 7 měsíci +1

      Lightning reed is bad when a zombie gets too close they only attack the zombies who are close and it's litteraly bad at frostbite caves

  • @GNVS300
    @GNVS300 Před rokem +168

    Only disagreement is Fire Peashooter. Before the Torchwood buff she was a flat-out upgrade to Repeater and can reliably tear through medium-health zombies. Also I'd definitely consider her the single best plant for thawing; the Lava Guava demonstration you made feels counterproductive to me as it renders Guava's main attack pointless, while Fire Pea can attack as normal _and_ warm plants around her.
    Also, I was surprised to see Infi-Nut on here, and while I don't disagree I definitely think it's fair he was above Sun-Shroom on Flag Zombie's community voted list. In fact, I'd consider Sun-Shroom to be one of the most overrated plants in the game due to its sun production being very minimal early on in levels, which is especially lacking in the later worlds when levels are very fast-paced.

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem +20

      Torchwood did get buffed, so I would consider repeater torchwood superior, although fire peashitter is better for thawing due to infinite range and fast recharge. I would consider snapdragon much stronger tho, and it can still thaw.
      I disagree on sun-shroom. Sun-shroom is much cheaper than primal, which is I assume what I assume you're comparing it to. So you can plant more down quickly, thus getting more sun production. If you spend 75 sun on a primal sunflower, it'll give 75 sun production. If you spend 75 sun on sun shrooms, you'll get 75 sun initially but quickly get 150 sun.
      Looking at the sun-shroom growth rate, it does have less sun profit than primal sunflower in general. If it produces sun during the first 18 seconds, it'll have a sun production about 50 less than primal sunflower in total. From 19-21, it'll be 25 less. Anything after that has the same production. But since you can get more sun shrooms earlier, it'll make up for it. Sunshroom can also stall gargs, distract fishermen/octos, and block anklos easily because of how cheap it is.
      From my experience, primal and shroom are basically identical in performance.

    • @wuahahaintel6949
      @wuahahaintel6949 Před rokem +13

      ​@@louiscarl7629 you forgot about the leveling system, it easiest to wait 7 days before farming gems and buying fire pea, but before in game fire pea was better than snapdragon cuz dragon didn't warm plants and short range, the thing with fire peashoter is that he is more independent but ratter than that leveling him is pretty good, since it becomes a lot better(like any plant)

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem +5

      @@wuahahaintel6949 I did not forget, I simply don’t care.

    • @silverpotato4272
      @silverpotato4272 Před rokem +10

      Sunshroom is extremely powerful if you stall the early game, which isn't too hard to do

    • @Tari_10_Editz
      @Tari_10_Editz Před rokem +2

      @@silverpotato4272 he just doesn't know how to use regular potato mine correctly
      Or stallia
      Or celery stalker

  • @itzastro_0352
    @itzastro_0352 Před rokem +138

    For fire pea, i think most people say it’s op when it’s leveled, which it pretty much is, but most plants are to be fair
    Also an underrated plants video would be very cool! Great video as always

    • @mixamasl
      @mixamasl Před rokem +9

      + it was good even before leveling system was added.
      Cuz' even tho it costed some crystals to buy, in the end you had a alt repeater with -25 sun cost (originaly repeater - 200 sun, fire pea - 175 sun), heating for ice levels and a plant food attack that as was already said - burns down entire lane at the same time like Jalapeno instead of shooting down zombies one-by-one with a pea barrage.

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      @@mixamasl the heating and sun cost don't make it better that much

    • @valentinoalan3816
      @valentinoalan3816 Před 2 měsíci

      People say fire peashotter is better than repeatter but I disagree because the problem with fire peashotter is that he/she cannot be buffed by pea vine making repeater better (peavine and torchwood buff repeater)

  • @abhajn
    @abhajn Před rokem +236

    Chard guard is truly a very unique and great plant and I am glad it’s final starting to get the popularity it deserves.

    • @pvz2darren_g
      @pvz2darren_g Před rokem +14

      Chard Guard is really useful in Penny's Pursuit regardless of Zombies' level. The more I use him, the more I love him.

    • @quinsysquid2562
      @quinsysquid2562 Před rokem +36

      isn't chard guard always popular?

    • @AppledirtArchive
      @AppledirtArchive Před rokem +17

      One of two "wall" plants I actually use, the other being (surprisingly enough) Spring Bean. PvZ 2 has so many insta kill zombies, that the fact those two counter them (although one much more than the other, spring bean skill kinda sucks) is very important

    • @ultradragon999
      @ultradragon999 Před rokem +3

      ​@@quinsysquid2562 most people always prefer Primal Wall-Nut or Infi-nut over it,
      Personally I do the opposite

    • @thefunniestmomentsofalltime
      @thefunniestmomentsofalltime Před rokem +1

      Or you could just upgrade stallia and do the same exact thing better and for free

  • @KR_Kosmik
    @KR_Kosmik Před rokem +18

    14:00 when you said "low risk, low reward", my headphones said "low battery, power off"

  • @Void-rj3sq
    @Void-rj3sq Před rokem +43

    I use all 3 early game stallers together so often, I didn't really think to compare them all
    Sure it takes a lot of seed slots, but having two full rows of fully grown sun-shrooms before the first conehead can make magnifying grass even more stupid than it normally is
    But yeah, between the three, stallia is probably better. Though stunion really isn't better than iceberg lettuce. It's more versatile sure, but that small sun cost can slow down early game sun production by a lot

    • @Raid_NRogers
      @Raid_NRogers Před měsícem

      Stunion is as cheap as it can be for it's ability, not to mention the 50 sun meta PvZ2 runs on which makes the cost difference even more minimal. Plus, stunion is capable of pulling his own later in the level due to his longer stun time and 2 tile aoe unlike Iceberg who is merely single target and has less freeze time.

  • @testerwulf3357
    @testerwulf3357 Před rokem +14

    My problem with these lists and rankings is just that no one considers newer players..is this LATE GAME plant better than this EARLY GAME one? Yea! Doesn't make the early game one horrible or anything..y'all acting like I should of hardcore researched the game first before picking it up to selectively play certain worlds to build the best team asap..nah I'm just playing through them blind going from left to right on the world screen doing them "in order" I guess. How good a plant is, is irrelevant if I can't get that plant yet especially if you have to max it out to be good (which will take ages with free piñatas and seed packets from completing levels) 💀If this were a competitive tierlist I get it, but most opinions on the plants (like people enjoying iceberg or lightning reed) are based around playing the game level to level not selectively choosing world to build an op army of plants to kill the rest of the worlds with or straight up spending money to start off with the best of the best..people grow to like and appreciate a plant that's found early because their carried them til they could find a better plant, in a way that gives the plant more value to them because even though it's not the best it was good for most of the game which inflates how they view it.

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      Damn that's deep

    • @vivelenapoleon1927
      @vivelenapoleon1927 Před 9 měsíci

      You can always go back and look for guides on your level, or how a wise spongebob character once said, go back to the ice cream shop of the little ones.

  • @gaylimulus7129
    @gaylimulus7129 Před rokem +60

    I think this is all because popcap was all about powercreep on most updates. For example, iceberg lettuce was the best on the start of the game, but instead of keeping its place, popcap just released stallia on lost city and stunion on frostbite caves. It happens a lot, honestly, and the best example is primal plants (expect peashooter and maybe sunflower), wasabi whip to bonk choy (now can be said about pokra beating wasabi), missile toe and banana launcher and others. Most of the times its simply better on premiuns to make people buy them. Its kinda dumb, and one of the reasons why mods are so popular.

    • @CrazyQuilman157
      @CrazyQuilman157 Před rokem +8

      Ironically, Stunion was part of the "Lock and Key" design PopCap keeps using in PvZ. Celery counters most everything except MC and Glitter in early NMT, for example, and it seems, at first glance, like Bowling Bulb was meant to remove Surfboards and Octopi in BWB. Stunion just happened to, eventually, be better, overall.

  • @psychicjellyfish9466
    @psychicjellyfish9466 Před rokem +115

    I've always laughed at the notion of Lightning Reed spam when Rotobaga spam is more fun and effective in my experience

  • @shadowsoul2778
    @shadowsoul2778 Před rokem +26

    11:46 Wolfy would like a word with you.
    Great video as always.

  • @puppetfan4634
    @puppetfan4634 Před rokem +37

    use rotobaga in hordes, kinda like puffshroomsz spam it as much as you can (preferably near the front like column 5 and 6)

    • @paul_particularlyunhappynut
      @paul_particularlyunhappynut Před rokem

      It also helped me understanding it's attack pattern. Roto is, diagonal up, diagonal down, diagonal up backwards, diagonal down backwards. While star fruit is, diagonal up, diagonal down, straight up, straight down, straight backwards. The diagonal up, and diagonal down, projectiles are the most important and effective, as they're the only ones that go forward
      I know this might seem obvious, but for me, it's attack pattern was confusing at first. You know where to place it where the projectiles will actually land and hit the zombie, once you understand. bh yeh spamming helps too

    • @CoolyCools
      @CoolyCools Před rokem

      ​@@paul_particularlyunhappynutif you ever used starfruit at pvz 1 and used it to full potential (spamming it) you would immediately know where rotobaga would shoot too

  • @Bladesdie190
    @Bladesdie190 Před rokem +15

    Honestly we can't really do anything about a plant being overrated

  • @CrazyQuilman157
    @CrazyQuilman157 Před rokem +11

    My "Overused" Plant was Snapdragon. This was while you still had to get world keys individually and the worlds were still being released.
    Also Spikeweed handles chickens and weasels so much better than Reed...

  • @pizzaboi8226
    @pizzaboi8226 Před měsícem +2

    15:30 Infi-nut's plant food is kind of weird to compare to having a bunch of walls spread across a lane, because it's individual rather than split into pieces. It's more like having a tall nut (+2000 hp) spread across the entire lane.

  • @onwithmarie6769
    @onwithmarie6769 Před rokem +75

    I think it's altverz that turns electric blueberry into something I like a lot more just by swapping its priorities. It focuses down special zombies before going for any standard ones, so it's there to specifically remove those. Combined with walls and some stalls, you can weed through basics while having it deal with high hp specials. It's fun to come up with setups with.

    • @DLN_0.5
      @DLN_0.5 Před rokem

      Eclise was the first mod to come up with that idea

    • @jessetime159
      @jessetime159 Před 2 dny

      I agree. This makes her more consistent, not only due to specials in Altverz being relatively common, but also due to her not wasting her attacks on weaker enemies often.

  • @itzlinquwlinquw7373
    @itzlinquwlinquw7373 Před rokem +18

    i think the real use of the iceberg lettuce it's on early game when building the sun producers, at least that's how i use it, but still suits on the "training wheels" idea, gives you time to build sun producers, but i think with experience, you can do that without. I used to ALWAYS pick lettuce, but when i got attached to snapdragon, i started to feel his downsides, not being compatible with fire really hinders some builds, what pushed me back on using stunion was the 25 sun, but when i started to use it, it really felt good, at least for me, who uses a lot of fire setups for fun.

    • @purplevanilla
      @purplevanilla Před rokem

      Agreed, iceberg lettuce is awesome at early game. But its bad when you use it on arena mode because arena mode is just full of hordes

  • @Evil_Incorporate
    @Evil_Incorporate Před rokem +12

    I like how, in the thumbnail he puts the shadows of the plants overshadowing the others. Really nice details!👌

  • @Nuxenity
    @Nuxenity Před rokem +19

    In my opinion inf-inut is also really good on plan your defense levels because it lets you defend every lane and you can spend more on attackers

    • @silverpotato4272
      @silverpotato4272 Před rokem +2

      spending 50 sun per lane isn't exactly expensive tho

    • @kylemuncal7047
      @kylemuncal7047 Před rokem +5

      ​@@silverpotato4272youll save 250sun and can use more expensive attackers that way for plan your defense

    • @-R-40
      @-R-40 Před 10 měsíci

      Dd

    • @-R-40
      @-R-40 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@kylemuncal70479:25

    • @Xavix0024
      @Xavix0024 Před 3 měsíci

      ngl i never used infini-nut as the pf never thought that useful to me
      Oh and if your'e asking how i got through lv 28 on BBW.... idk the heck you asking me.

  • @andrewcook8300
    @andrewcook8300 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Creeps forgot the most important part about ice burg lettuce: it’s cute

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 3 měsíci

      What?!?!
      THIS COMMENT IS SPONSORED BY RAID SHADOW LEGENDS!

  • @AmGaming-qd8vo
    @AmGaming-qd8vo Před rokem +11

    Personally, Infi-Nut is a very useful plant for me. Especially in the "Generate X Amount of Sun Levels". Primal Walnut is better, but I like Infi-Nut for its shield and regeneration.

    • @suki-artsanimations807
      @suki-artsanimations807 Před rokem +2

      Well you forget about sunbudget levels where you can only have around 2500 sun.
      If a primal wallnut ges destroyed it soon becomes 125 sun later mathematically while infi nut stays at 75 cuz it doesn't die.

    • @cybergamer__
      @cybergamer__ Před 7 měsíci

      It doesnt die, but it has low hp so the zombies get through your defenses pretty easily@@suki-artsanimations807

  • @puffycat9498
    @puffycat9498 Před rokem +6

    I hate Electric Blueberry. I was playing the Electric Blueberry level in Neon Mixtape Tour and there was a Gargantuar so close to the home, and a weak zombie far away from home. Guess which one she targeted...

  • @slimebucket642
    @slimebucket642 Před rokem +6

    I loved how you mentioned using Fume Shroom as an alternative choice to Lightning Reed, because I was actually using both of them together for most of my first playthrough of PvZ 2.

  • @walugusgrudenburg3068
    @walugusgrudenburg3068 Před rokem +9

    I love Iceberg, but it's mostly a sun-production setup staller. I find I get much more use out of it in AltverZ than vanilla usually though, especially since it gives chill without levelling there, plus Stallia is 25 sun. (those are the only two I've played so far.)

    • @GB-sr9kv
      @GB-sr9kv Před rokem +1

      is alterZ a mod? because if it is, i find it dumb that they’re trying to make ice better than stalia for whatever reason

    • @Lizombiez
      @Lizombiez Před rokem

      ​@@GB-sr9kv it is

    • @suki-artsanimations807
      @suki-artsanimations807 Před rokem

      Or sun budget staller like infi nut.

  • @s.o.k.1393
    @s.o.k.1393 Před rokem +7

    Fire peashooter is THE heater. Unless you are desperate for splash damage, pepper-pult is completely irrelevant due to its 30 year recharge, high cost, and slow attack speed. Are you really gonna put lava guava or snapdragon in the second column?

    • @GNVS300
      @GNVS300 Před rokem +2

      For real

    • @sandy_nes31
      @sandy_nes31 Před rokem

      I CAN understand Lava guava because of it's plant food, Snapdragon tho.. Yk you can use it to defend your house but like.. use instants or smth

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +1

      What's the problem with putting lava guava there?

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@Ladengoat cuz its an instant

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      Yes

  • @deificatom3332
    @deificatom3332 Před rokem +7

    Thats a nice agruement with good points, but since I disagree I will now make a meme where I depict you as the soyjack and me as the wojack and post it on the internet. Consider your reputation over.

  • @funnyeh1298
    @funnyeh1298 Před rokem +5

    The reason Iceberg lettuce is good is because of its ability to stall for sun, early into the level and story, as you get it in early ancient Egypt.

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +1

      But stunion and stallia do that much better

    • @funnyeh1298
      @funnyeh1298 Před rokem +1

      Can you get Stunion and Stallia in the first world of the game?

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +3

      @@funnyeh1298 you get stunion in the fourth, and those first worlds are so easy you likely won’t even need it

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem

      @@Ladengoat I'm personally playing them in what I was thought was "in order" so I do not have those plants you speak of yet, Idk what all the plants do so I'm not skipping around in worlds just to get certain plants..that's something someone more experienced in the game would do, for newer players Iceberg does just fine till you get those better plants later

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem

      @@testerwulf3357 but all worlds before neon mixtape tour are easy, so you likely won't need it

  • @Scrimbini
    @Scrimbini Před rokem +10

    Hey creeps, have you considered making a video on Phat-Beat? Would love to hear your take on it if you can find enough content to talk about it lol

  • @shellpoptheepicswordmaster755

    Lightning Reed feels powerful, and that's why I use it sometimes.

    • @IWishYouTheBest
      @IWishYouTheBest Před 4 měsíci

      I use him all the time except in jurassic marsh

  • @Thiago_Rodrigues30
    @Thiago_Rodrigues30 Před rokem +84

    Creeps,you are criminally underated,in my opinion

    • @Lazekillerwhale
      @Lazekillerwhale Před rokem +8

      No he objectively isn't 💀

    • @SerperiorChaos
      @SerperiorChaos Před rokem +12

      His opinion is treated like God's 10 Commandments what are you talking bout?

    • @elevated6941
      @elevated6941 Před rokem +7

      ​@@SerperiorChaos dude, are you serious? You say that because he crap talked a plant you like?

    • @fortnitesexman
      @fortnitesexman Před rokem +9

      best part about him is that he actually uses a mic
      it's seemingly a rare thing in this community for some reason

    • @paul_tomate1612
      @paul_tomate1612 Před rokem +2

      our opinion

  • @nutmegdoesstuff1339
    @nutmegdoesstuff1339 Před 9 měsíci +2

    The strongest aspect of Infinut's plant food effect isn't just the fact that you get a multilane wall, but rather the amount of things that wall counters. It fully blocks things like fishermen, keeps you protected even if things like wizard or octo zombies come and poof the base plant, ect.

  • @CoralReaper707
    @CoralReaper707 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I always hated that iceberg could only freeze one zombie on its tile instead of freezing all zombies on the tile. The lack of a chilling effect until higher levels also doesn't help matters either. While I still think it's a solid plant, it does have flaws that annoy me.

  • @sanstheskeleton679
    @sanstheskeleton679 Před rokem +5

    Funny that you never said anything about Iceberg being an ice shroom that costs plant food instead of sun

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem +2

      He did mention it in the video, and it's not even good like come on there are so many plant with plant food ability that pretty much kill every zombie so who care about stunning them

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem

      @@s0ullessness Stunning can be good at the start of a level when you're still gathering sun or for later in the level if you're overflooded with zombies and need to stall them before they wreck your lanes, it has it's uses it's not exactly useless

  • @chris-tianmothman
    @chris-tianmothman Před rokem +3

    In the words of GNVS, if a plant needs to be spammed to be good, it isn't good. Lightning Reed, while mid on its own, isn't worth the hype even when spammed. It just can't keep up, and arena/arena plants don't help with that.

  • @bylobat6822
    @bylobat6822 Před rokem +10

    >"overrated plants"
    >lightning Reed in the thumbnail
    Instantly subscribed and liked

  • @ThePlayDoc
    @ThePlayDoc Před rokem +2

    I'm konestly surprised that Electric Blueberry is popular because this plant is ASS. Although yes, it does instant kill zombies as long as it is alive, EB takes WAY too long for it to recharge. And even then, it is very inconsistent on what zombie it wants to target. For example: if there is a zombie that is about to enter the house, if there are zombies at the end of the lawn, it is a all out casino if EB gets that zombie near to the house. And it can only target one zombie at a time until it has to recharge again. And to top that off if being outclassed by not only Caulipower, but pretty much almost every single instant in the game, and yeah, you have an unreliable plant to deal with.

  • @atreidesson
    @atreidesson Před rokem +17

    That's kinda dumb how you miss that the Reed is a main attacker and stands at the back of the lane while the Fume shroom, Snapdragon et cetera are melee and thus cannot be massed, which is always done for Reed

    • @crisptain6356
      @crisptain6356 Před rokem +4

      The fact that you need more than 2 columns of lightning reed for it to do anything is kind of a problem, though.

    • @Vlad_Tomai
      @Vlad_Tomai Před rokem

      Infi-nut pf + 3 rows of snap dragons and you're set

    • @atreidesson
      @atreidesson Před rokem +4

      @@Vlad_Tomai and the first zombie which is not basic, cone or bucket kills you. But if there were 3 rows of Reeds...

    • @Vlad_Tomai
      @Vlad_Tomai Před rokem

      @@atreidesson cones are melting so you need to deal with bucketheads only

    • @thefunniestmomentsofalltime
      @thefunniestmomentsofalltime Před rokem

      This is a very specific scenario

  • @fortnitesexman
    @fortnitesexman Před rokem +8

    why didn't you focus on how good iceberg is at stalling early game? it's the entire point of it, it's not really meant to be that good afterwards
    alone, and especially when combined with stallia it can allow you to save up for expensive plants like winter melon with relative ease

  • @winz4418
    @winz4418 Před rokem +2

    Creeps was on gun point when making this video. That’s why corn didn’t show up, or else the cult would start rioting

  • @demianpryima1015
    @demianpryima1015 Před rokem +11

    Your logic is flawed regarding the seed slots. On harder levels, the sun is the problem as waves of zombies almost immediately start to attack you. You don’t need many attackers or sun producers, one of each is enough. The other seed slots are effectively support, helping you in every which way to build up your defense. Costing zero sun and stalling the early game for that little bit longer is incredibly valuable especially for 0 sun. The plant food is also one of the best. I think it is pretty well rated as the value the 0 sun plants provide is exceptional for what they are worth.

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem +1

      If you're actually struggling to get at sun then having to spend 25 less ain't gonna cut it

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem

      You’re saying that like stallia costs sun (also 25 sun is not a lot if you place your sun producers well)

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem +5

      @@s0ullessness They're talking about the beginning of a level before you can start mass producing sun 💀ofc they're struggling for sun when the first round just started. I can hardly slap down 2 sunflowers before zombies start walking down the lanes with 0 offensive plants
      a 0 sun cost stall plant is decent for the start of a level, especially early game when the plants you have are quite limited in selection

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      @@testerwulf3357 Wow so hard to get 25 sun

    • @m4rcyonstation93
      @m4rcyonstation93 Před 5 měsíci

      i mean primal potato, stunion, stallia, even stuff like chili bean exist

  • @imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961

    Funnily enough, you should *protect* infinut plant food shield instead of, you know, use the plant specifically designed to be wall in the intended way.

  • @eldarisss1613
    @eldarisss1613 Před rokem +5

    As an iceberg lettuce user that has 8 seed slots I use both iceberg lettuce and stallia even if stallia is way better both of them almost infinitely stall one zombie which massively delays the first zombies that spawn when I’m trying to plant 2 rows of sun producers at the start of the game. Even if it’s use in my deck is minimal I sometimes bring plants I don’t even use because there’s not a lack space for me specially since I only have like 1/3 of the premium plants. Even if in the late-game of a match it’s massively outclassed it’s one of the best free stallers at the start of the match.

  • @liber2350
    @liber2350 Před rokem +7

    I feel like lightning reed is good, but its definitely a support plant. Unironically, its probably great with electric plants- citron and electric blueberry come to mind here. However, its easy to just get enough for it to be good against one zombie to where it is always good. I think a balance for it would to make it cost less, but lose damage on bounces. Maybe then it could have more bounces as well? It would be nice to have a light supportive attacker in pvz2 and I feel lightning reed would be great for that, maybe we will see a change like this in pvz3?

    • @gaerekxenos
      @gaerekxenos Před rokem +1

      Yeah, lightning reed is good, but the damage drops off on later maps. This is remedied by the power tiles when you clear 'the Future' map, which is where you ramp up tons of Sun to spam a lot of tiles to drop plant food on. Which is where the low cost of Lightning Reed comes in handy since you basically finish up the basic set-up pretty quickly so you can focus more on sun production to spam Turnip. Since I haven't played in ages... can't really say with the new meta and all that
      But lightning reed is a good opener to ease into harder hitters as the map progresses. It just isn't good enough as a solo flood unit later on

  • @matthewspawn5916
    @matthewspawn5916 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I don't think you acknowledge why infi-nut is quite amazing. Ofc its not the greatest wall, its not supposed to be, its a temporary one for considerable less sun with the intention that you don't allow zombies to eat at it for too long. For 75 sun right from the get go with a plant food you can have a full set of barriers protecting every lane, and then you can dedicate everything else into offenses that will kill any zombies before they can overpower the simple wall, not to mention you only needed the one patch of grass to accomplish this. You need only place 1 infi-nut for the whole game to have a successful defense. And its cheap price allow for flexibility if you do decide to spam it. Truly an S-tier plant

  • @Cool_Kid95
    @Cool_Kid95 Před rokem +5

    Does anyone like Lightning Reed? I only enjoyed it after I buffed it in my mod.

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem +1

      Pretty much more than half of the community do

    • @Cool_Kid95
      @Cool_Kid95 Před rokem +2

      @@s0ullessness oh...

    • @IWishYouTheBest
      @IWishYouTheBest Před 4 měsíci

      It's one of my favorite plants in the game but not always reliable

  • @DexyD20
    @DexyD20 Před rokem +3

    I think everyone uses lightning reed wrong and falls for the trap of using a lot of them because it's ok, when they work best with powerful plants, effectively chipping enough health off at a global range so the powerful plants don't need to hit stuff as much. Like yeah sure other plants do that will too and it's still not OP but I still think everyone is using it wrong.

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem +1

      Yea I don't use it as a main attackers, more of a front row support? It's cheap and easy to throw down for chicken defense (people say to just use spikeweed but that costs a lot more meaning it's as useful if chickens show up earlier than I have spikes on every row for 'em) and decent at chipping away health so my stronger back row plants can kill them much easier and my defensive plants don't get munched as much..idk if they can sometimes insta kill things? But sometimes they straight up electrocute zombies to a crisp which is more helpful than not ig. Are there better plants late game? Yea! But are they good for a big portion of the game? Yea. So I wouldn't say they're that bad

    • @DexyD20
      @DexyD20 Před rokem

      @@testerwulf3357 exactly!! And their plant food buff can comes in handy sometimes since it destroys a lot of zombies before it goes away and moves all across the map, so you don't have to worry about it not being in the right lane or having a lot of them to compensate! I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's used wrong!😅🤣💜 And also what plant doesn't do a good job in a group of the same kind of plant? I think judging it like that is weird for that reason too!😅🤣🙃 I think using a lot of them is a noob trap, but I guess it's also a pro trap aswell😅🤣🙃 also using them as a group either works or it doesn't, there's no in between, but using only a couple of them with other plants can work in so many more situations😅🤣🙃 I've thought about this a lot because it's my favorite plant too😅🤣💜 Right behind Spike weed since it can hit anywhere on the map but Spike weed only hits whenever something's directly on top of it, but they both do good chip damage which is what I think they're roles really are, it's basically a globally ranged spikeweed😅🤣💜

  • @katelundberg2029
    @katelundberg2029 Před 6 měsíci +1

    I've run iceberg lettuce and stallia in the same comps and it really shows the specific niches they both have. Iceberg has an insane plant food effect and can keep some problem zombies in place keeping them from causing more issues even if they were slowed, while Stallia is the spammable slow that you can just throw on a group to buy more time. I generally like to have 1 iceberg lettuce in my main defensive core just for plant food and throw the rest of the stallers around where I need them

  • @JTB-1
    @JTB-1 Před rokem +4

    I would like to say that infi-nut is also useful for the fact that it saves you sun on having to plant more wall-nuts. You are essentially spending that 75 sun to guarantee that lower-level zombies do not demolish your wall. Yes, I understand plant food works the same, but A. you might run out, and B. You are capped at 4.

    • @suki-artsanimations807
      @suki-artsanimations807 Před rokem

      Especially when it comes to sun budget levels they become crucial. Only being 75 sun compare to wallnut that may cost 200 every time per row destroyed.

  • @honkhonk9089
    @honkhonk9089 Před rokem +4

    1:44 lvl 10+ it stuns in an area, it becomes the better stunion at that point, also the plant food is decent

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem +1

      If you can get a plant to level 10 then you ain't gonna need staller anymore

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +1

      He is arguing about level one plants

    • @testerwulf3357
      @testerwulf3357 Před rokem

      @@Ladengoat No he's not? Multiple times in the video he mentions maxed plants..so no. He isn't arguing about level 1 plants (most plants when only lvl1 suck honestly)

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +2

      @@testerwulf3357 then why would you use a level ten plant to do what another plant can do at level one

    • @mydogghost
      @mydogghost Před rokem

      @@testerwulf3357he mentions it’s at time but he literally says at base

  • @TheConzTheConquer
    @TheConzTheConquer Před rokem +6

    Wait, electric blueberry is overrated? I thought we all agreed it was garbage.

    • @Lisek_Mapping
      @Lisek_Mapping Před 21 hodinou

      Im stuck in 2018 so i thought it was op

  • @maxchess6734
    @maxchess6734 Před rokem +6

    One defense for infi-nut : using it in middle game to stall a bit before putting the early attackers (i often use bonk choi) is pretty useful, and can help me save up for my sun when i go for set-ups with banana launcher. Also, banana launcher can deal with hords quite well, which helps infi-nut's plant food. Obviously, infi-nut doesnt go well against gargs or some other one-shot zombies, but it is still a very viable strategy

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem

      I think that base wall-nut is better for that because it's cheaper and has more hp.

    • @maxchess6734
      @maxchess6734 Před rokem +3

      @@louiscarl7629 my issue with wall nut was that stalling with a wallnut, i would have to wait a long time before getting all wallnuts ready again, and having to heal them back (so replanting) if i have to stall any zombie. On the other hand, primal wall nut did do good in jurassic marsh, because i don't have to wait to plant one and i can easily react with a wallnut if something goes badly.

    • @silverpotato4272
      @silverpotato4272 Před rokem +2

      viable, just not a top 10 plant

    • @maxchess6734
      @maxchess6734 Před rokem

      @@silverpotato4272 yup

    • @whydoesthethebrainignoreth6273
      @whydoesthethebrainignoreth6273 Před rokem

      Well Infi Nut is good for stalling zombies even without PF effect due to his projector like Turquoise Skull and Hair Metal Gargs so it's basically essential on some Endless Zones

  • @SamenPvz
    @SamenPvz Před rokem +10

    Iceberg isn't good because of its single target freezing, it's broken because its plantfood stuns every zombie for 15 seconds.

    • @melvint-p9500
      @melvint-p9500 Před rokem +4

      *10

    • @milkmonstrosity
      @milkmonstrosity Před rokem

      Being a Plant Food sink isn't exactly grounds for being a top tier plant, especially when getting Plant Food is not an assured thing in every level.

    • @berdwatcher5125
      @berdwatcher5125 Před rokem

      @@milkmonstrosity but, plant food is in literally eveery level

    • @APersonThat
      @APersonThat Před rokem

      @@berdwatcher5125 Some levels barely have plant food… unless you have power lily. But I rather use something like inf nut or use the plant food for extra sun

    • @puzzlemaster_6797
      @puzzlemaster_6797 Před rokem

      If a plant needs to have plant food to be good it's really not good. Why use iceberg plant food when you can have primal potato mine to clear the field whilst still being usable without the plant food

  • @thunderred5263
    @thunderred5263 Před rokem +4

    But iceberg lettuce can stall the first few zombies when you dont have an attacker in every lane in the startand you can freeze gargantuans so they become much less scary

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem

      But stallia and stunion do that better

    • @ZombieMiraculer74
      @ZombieMiraculer74 Před rokem

      Just use early destructive plants like Potato Mine and Chili Bean.

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      @@ZombieMiraculer74 potatoe mine sucks

  • @melvint-p9500
    @melvint-p9500 Před rokem +5

    How is Reed not good in NMT? Most zombies there are pretty frail.

  • @crimson9378
    @crimson9378 Před 8 měsíci +2

    Does no one realize that iceberg lettuce can freeze a 3x3 area when leveled up enough at a 100% uptime?

  • @justsomerandomboi5390
    @justsomerandomboi5390 Před rokem +4

    Ngl, the most overrated plants are most of the sun plants. Like they dont even do any damage.

  • @Thatguyishere1
    @Thatguyishere1 Před rokem +4

    Your setups are more inconsistent than modern day, there’s no symmetry!

    • @melvint-p9500
      @melvint-p9500 Před rokem +2

      Despite what redditors will tell you, symmetry is actually completely optional.

    • @Thatguyishere1
      @Thatguyishere1 Před rokem +3

      @@melvint-p9500 it’s the unwritten rule, if it is unsymmetrical you only half won

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      @@Thatguyishere1 Not really

  • @ryelo5448
    @ryelo5448 Před rokem +3

    Fun fact: i hate using fire plants in eclise so much that i only ever use lava guava as a heating planting and nothing else.

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      Can snapdragon not heat?

    • @ryelo5448
      @ryelo5448 Před 9 měsíci

      @@KhajaSodhu i dint remember for eclise, but lava guava is a good heater

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      @@ryelo5448 Ok

  • @lamenwatch1877
    @lamenwatch1877 Před rokem +2

    10:22
    The lack of fire pea splash damage makes PvZ2 feel so much more lifeless than PvZ1.

  • @gusfringfromfortniteuwu1648

    Counter argument: oneshotting gargs with eberry is funny

  • @ellusiv5121
    @ellusiv5121 Před rokem +4

    Infinut also cover sun limited levels and you don't need more than one of it to win a level, just make sure you don't rely on a wall to begin with. I do think it's the only thing here that deserves the attention.

    • @crisptain6356
      @crisptain6356 Před rokem

      If your defense hardly needs a wall to begin with, is it really worth spending a whole plant food on a wall?

    • @melvint-p9500
      @melvint-p9500 Před rokem

      walls shouldn’t be used in limited sun levels anyways

    • @APersonThat
      @APersonThat Před rokem

      @@melvint-p9500 I only use inf nut for plant food + snapdragon or cold snapdragon spam… it’s pretty op

    • @melvint-p9500
      @melvint-p9500 Před rokem

      @@APersonThat yeah, that’s a pretty good use of it, actually

    • @suki-artsanimations807
      @suki-artsanimations807 Před rokem

      ​@@crisptain6356don't need to, infi regeneration for a wall needed stradegy will help out endlessly. Staying at max of 75 per wall compare to the normal wallnutd or even primal wallnut in a sun budget level.

  • @pvz2darren_g
    @pvz2darren_g Před rokem +10

    Speaking about underrated plants, I genuinely think Shrinking Violet is way underrated, perhaps overshadowed by Imp Pear. Without Plant Food, Shrinking Violet shrinks multiple zombies which can be blown away by Draftodil, while Imp Pear is applied to only a single target.
    Most of us love Imp Pear because of its Plant Food effect, which can boost the score in Arena, and because it's free and have faster recharge.
    Both are good plants, but in different ways.

    • @thefunniestmomentsofalltime
      @thefunniestmomentsofalltime Před rokem

      but shrinking violet on its own is mediocre when instead of making zombies weaker just use cherry bomb and get the job done early

    • @ZombieMiraculer74
      @ZombieMiraculer74 Před rokem +2

      ​@@thefunniestmomentsofalltime how about on zombies that can still survive a single explosive plant? Shrinking violet can weaken them.

    • @Lissy_YT481
      @Lissy_YT481 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@ZombieMiraculer74sure, it can be useful for gargantuars, but still I think there's just better options in general.

    • @NOWNVATTU
      @NOWNVATTU Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@Lissy_YT481 It literally weakens enemies severely plus plant food what better option is there? Premium plants? Who tf waste money on this game

    • @Lissy_YT481
      @Lissy_YT481 Před 8 měsíci

      @@NOWNVATTU if that's going to be your only "argument" then you can gtfo already.

  • @penguindoor3776
    @penguindoor3776 Před rokem +2

    for eletric blueberry it feels like it will always target a singular imp, even if there is 50 gargantuars next to it, for caulipower it feels like it targets the gargantuars, and after a bit the imp

  • @kemosonicfan123lbp
    @kemosonicfan123lbp Před rokem +1

    The reason fire pea is rated highly is not because people think it's super good, but it's because how utterly garbage pepper pult is.
    Pepper pult has an extremely slow recharge, but more importantly? It is a pult plant. This means it isn't shooting its projectiles into the ice to melt it faster, it's firing over it. 9 times out of 10 you would rather the ice melt first before zombies are dealt with, since if the zombies are dealt with too quickly, more ice waves will appear.

    • @victoriagrubb8853
      @victoriagrubb8853 Před rokem

      The reason fire peashooter has a high reputation is the leveling system which makes fire peashooter pretty good, damage wise

    • @kemosonicfan123lbp
      @kemosonicfan123lbp Před rokem

      @@victoriagrubb8853 fire peashooter had a niche cult-like following pre-level system

    • @victoriagrubb8853
      @victoriagrubb8853 Před rokem

      @@kemosonicfan123lbp I don’t want to ask why

  • @keebymania0911
    @keebymania0911 Před rokem +4

    You should make a video about underrated plants.

  • @ultradragon999
    @ultradragon999 Před rokem +3

    Virgin Infi-Nut vs Chad Guard

  • @RealLordDonut
    @RealLordDonut Před 10 měsíci +1

    something about iceberg lettuce is that once you level it up enough it does get an area of effect and can freeze multiple zombies at once. to go along with this, at a certain level, iceberg lettuces recharge is up at least 2 seconds until the zombie is unfrozen. this is huge for endless levels like level 20 where multiple gargs can be spawned as the very first zombies for that level. so grow up and realize

    • @CowpokeScav
      @CowpokeScav Před 8 měsíci

      Okay, yes iceberg lettuce can be upgraded to become good, but upgrading makes the game unfair, so he prefers to analyze the plants in level 1.

  • @adamxue6096
    @adamxue6096 Před rokem +2

    Chardguard remains one of my favorite plants.
    It helped me discover the Blover thing and that was when it really clicked, and I just brought it with me everywhere I could.
    Lightning Reed + Snapper was just very fun to do, and satisfying to watch, but it was sad to see how badly Reed falls off.
    Infi-nut is def a counter pick type of plant, but yeah, there is always Chardguard which you can, with blover, one shot a garg easily.

  • @blacklight683
    @blacklight683 Před rokem +4

    This is the "I dont use this plant a lot and here is why you are wrong" video

  • @GNVS300
    @GNVS300 Před rokem +14

    Before watching the video I already agree with the two on the thumbnail as a result of Flag Zombie's community ranking video so hoping they're on the list
    Edit: And it's the #1 thing he's basing the list on lol

    • @yes3410
      @yes3410 Před rokem +1

      Also lightning reed is garbage in pvz heroes too

    • @yes3410
      @yes3410 Před rokem +1

      Also Wolfy would love to disagree with lightning reeds placement here.

  • @Willthe20dollarbill
    @Willthe20dollarbill Před rokem +2

    i only use iceberg at the start of a game to gain extra sun

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 9 měsíci

      Have you unlocked stunion

  • @thatonecrimsonecho
    @thatonecrimsonecho Před rokem +2

    I’ve been playing these games for almost 10 years at this point and never knew Stallia’s name was supposed to reference how it stalls zombies
    Kill me now, I am not worthy

  • @SupremeCalamitas789
    @SupremeCalamitas789 Před rokem +3

    Dam, I loved Infinut, and I havnt even used it Plant food usually
    Also I believe Blueberry+Lightning reed kinda works

  • @Darkpq1742
    @Darkpq1742 Před rokem +3

    I dont know a Single person who thinks Electric Blue Berry Is OP.
    At best its a Secondary Attacker

    • @iszybrawl2466
      @iszybrawl2466 Před 3 měsíci

      At least in the spanish community,everyone thinks it's one of the best plants in the game

  • @SF3L
    @SF3L Před rokem +2

    I honestly don’t understand how some people enjoy electric blueberry, it’s beyond inconsistent and I’ve lost the lock and loaded level that forces you to use them several times cause of the randomness. Even a plant like lightning reed has better consistency and performance than electric blueberry most of the time. There is no real value in an instakill if it’s more likely to target a wave of basics that just spawned than a garg 2 tiles away from getting pass your entire defense

  • @herrera5966
    @herrera5966 Před rokem +2

    lightning reed and iceberg are the only plants that I use every day and every level. And paring them is so op, lightning reed for aoe damage, while lettuce freezes an enemy, and reed can also pierce which is good

    • @Ladengoat
      @Ladengoat Před rokem +1

      But why not just use fume shroom and stunion

  • @ozthebeeman
    @ozthebeeman Před rokem +3

    I don't usually find myself limited on seed slots (except for eclise) so I never really minded quite the opposite actually whenever I have an open seed slot ice is probably a choice I can never go wrong with. Don't get me wrong, if I need the seed slot, then I will remove iceberg without batting an eye. Stalio is probably still better but depends on the mod

    • @silverpotato4272
      @silverpotato4272 Před rokem

      Yea I think that applies to most people that play vanilla. Mods are where you really start to feel the lack of seed slots

  • @awkwarden4
    @awkwarden4 Před rokem +2

    The thing about Firepea is that it snowballs with each level. It gains +20 damage per level. But that's just my observation anyway. I don't think it's that overpowered, but I can see why people praise it

    • @realpvzdamemes
      @realpvzdamemes Před rokem

      firepea has only 10 levels to level up to while most other pea plants have like 15 or 20 levels to level up to so obviously there's a difference on the rate of damage increased when leveled up.

  • @fjnv
    @fjnv Před 11 měsíci +1

    iceberg lettuce is really useful for overfarmers, like 10 sunflowers because when you overfarm, you need a way to stall the enemies while spending the least amount of sun which iceberg lettuce is used for. it can also be used for example, when you are farming and a lane isnt defended, you can just use iceberg lettuce to delay any zombie in that lane until you defend it

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 11 měsíci +1

      25 sun won't make a difference to your 10 sunflowers.

    • @fjnv
      @fjnv Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@KhajaSodhu it does when it has a cooldown

    • @KhajaSodhu
      @KhajaSodhu Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@fjnv Yeah and stunion stuns for 12 seconds instead of 10

  • @mapu1
    @mapu1 Před rokem +1

    Okay, Infi-nut is pretty good, especially with plant food.
    Its good cause it's really cheap way to stall things, and set up your ealygame sun production, while stopping nasty stuff in all lanes, meaning you have extra slots for limited maps (like beach), and it has huge melee synergy, giving 4 lanes of double damage(or sun production). That or the 2 Infi-nut permastall, or projectile protection, and staying up against wizards or octopuses.
    Honestly, Infi-nut is underrated against most obscure zombie abilities, as it has interaction with most of them.

    • @whydoesthethebrainignoreth6273
      @whydoesthethebrainignoreth6273 Před rokem

      Don't forget Infi Nut is still really good even without PF effect. It blocks Hair Metal Gargs' shockwaves indefinitely, Rodeo Legend Zombies can't get past the defense in anyway. MC Zom B's microphone spinning attack also gets stalled. Turquoise Skull also doesn't instantly burn the projector on Infi Nut

  • @ThatOneTechy
    @ThatOneTechy Před rokem +3

    Now do Underrated plants
    Im not asking. Do it

  • @judetaylor2400
    @judetaylor2400 Před rokem +4

    Reed is so good, I don’t think it’s overrated, if used right (what’s not very hard) it can destroy most levels

    • @berdwatcher5125
      @berdwatcher5125 Před rokem +1

      true, lightning reed has litterally only 1 counter and its cheap too

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem +1

      Tf do you mean "if you used correctly" the only way to use it is literally spam

    • @green_whited
      @green_whited Před rokem

      @@s0ullessness Average braindead take

    • @s0ullessness
      @s0ullessness Před rokem

      @@green_whited hmm yes let me only put 1 lighting reed as my main attacker, surely I can survive with it because putting more of it is such a braindead take

  • @Musunami
    @Musunami Před rokem +2

    Lightning reed is an balanced plant bruh if it dealt same damage as a peashooter it would be the meta

  • @radranvr9645
    @radranvr9645 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Creeps: i cant believe people like infinut so much, so overrated
    Also creeps: infinut is a great wall and here's why

  • @louiscarl7629
    @louiscarl7629 Před rokem +4

    I disagree on lightning reed. Reed can destroy levels in big wave beach, it easily hits the octos and fishermen hiding behind the horde while you place sun producers in front of it to protect it from octos and fishermen. It also stops surfers from dropping their board, which is insanely good since surfer is the worst zombie in big wave beach. As long as you play it properly, it does well. It also beats neon mixtape tour quite well because its range protects it from the threats of the world, and said threats generally have low hp and are dealt with easily. Jurasic marsh does hard counter it, and it isn't the best in dark ages due to knights having so much hp, and modern day isn't a real world, but it is still good late game. However, dusk lobber is much better. Surprised you didn't mention it. Infinite range, multilane damage, with obscene dps and boosting sun production. Lightning reed also does well in last stand levels since you can't use moonflower. But moonflower is much better overall, absolutely clears almost every world, and is good on arena if you don't have many premiums or leveled plants like me.
    Iceberg lettuce is weaker than the other staller units, but still useful for building up sun earlygame. If you combine it with the others, it is especially effective. But yeah, the others are better, except considering the plant food, iceberg clears there.
    I agree on infi-nut, but it also shuts down pirate sea swashbucklers which is great for the expansion levels, especially that one last stand level. Chad guard is obviously much better.
    Firepeashitter is worse than torchwood + repeater. 1 repeater and a torchwood is a bit more expensive than two fire peas but has more defensive utility. 2 repeaters and a torchwood has the dps of 4 fire peashooters, 6 when plant fooded.

    • @DarkCT
      @DarkCT Před rokem

      so you also like lightning reed, but Dusk Lobber is much better? would you ever recommend upgrading lightning reed, and to what extent?

    • @puzzlemaster_6797
      @puzzlemaster_6797 Před rokem

      But why use lightning when rotobaga is an option with superior DPS that can actually deal with tankier zombies. In your scenario in BWB, rotobaga would completely invalidate the entire mechanic of the world and fisherman actually makes the rotobaga spam even better, you could also deal with fishermen with cherry bombs

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem

      @@DarkCT Lightning reed is pretty broken even at level 2.

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem

      @@puzzlemaster_6797 Rotobaga is placed at the front, which makes it vulnerable to big wave beach, which constantly spams zombies and ambushes that destroy front line plants. Lightning reed just sits behind your sunflowers and keeps attacking. Rotobaga is actually best in Jurassic marsh imo.

    • @puzzlemaster_6797
      @puzzlemaster_6797 Před rokem

      @@louiscarl7629 but you don't have to place it all the way at the front. Just spam rotobagas and let the zombies get close and even a buckethead dies in one tile, and because it's cheap it doesn't matter if one gets eaten if the zombies don't die while eating it. It is just that good in any world.

  • @johnhowardz9524
    @johnhowardz9524 Před rokem +5

    There's no other pvz youtuber that is making more interesting videos than you, mark my word. You not only feed us raw hour gameplay, but these type of documentary-essay type videos with such unique and interesting topics are just top notch.

  • @gold_hev_suit
    @gold_hev_suit Před rokem +2

    no, i think infi-nut isn't That overrated, to the point that Primal Wall and Chard can be considered "straight up better" i think those plants are more versatile but Infi-Nut excels in space and time efficiency.
    75 sun, one recharge, one space. one plant food.
    it's obviously essential to keep the weaker zombies away from the forcefield because they'll sap the hp, so you need stalling/crowd control, primal pea/snapdragon works really well (and you can stack more because the wall doesn't take up space), winter melon is an obvious stall/crowd control, lighting reed alongside a plant that actually does damage to high hp zombies, dusklobber if it's available,
    you say that 10k isn't a lot across 5 lanes, but when you take out the smaller hp zombies which wear it down quick enough, it will put in the work.
    primal and chard are amazing, and are definitely underranked on the poll results, but infi-nut has upsides that primal/chard just don't have.
    and it works well in last stand / limited plants / limited loss objectives, at least better than other walls do.
    oh and also it can regenerate hp but the force field is what you bring it for

  • @rafaelpereiragomes1735
    @rafaelpereiragomes1735 Před rokem +2

    10:01 Actually, it is kinda hard. Sure, it might start off easy with the 1st 10 days, but after that, it gets hard, with a few easy days thrown in. But Fire Pea is the savior here. Well, that's until Weasel Hoarder comes into play. Then, it's just torture again.

  • @lmva
    @lmva Před rokem +3

    only took 2 seconds to say 'shockingly enough' this video lol

  • @foreskineater
    @foreskineater Před rokem +8

    Creeps when the community uses a plant he hasn't made a 40 minute analysis video of (they clearly have no idea how to play this game) : 😡

    • @blueyandicy
      @blueyandicy Před rokem

      but he's already made a 40 minute analysis on lightning reed and infinut dude...

    • @foreskineater
      @foreskineater Před rokem +4

      ​@@blueyandicyhe praised infi-nut in that video but now he has the exact opposite opinions? When comparing infinut to chard guard and primal wall nut in that video he said that chard guard is an instant and not a wall and that primal wasnt nearly as interesting. I don't know how many hard drugs he was on while making this video. Maybe he is just fucking with us.

    • @louiscarl7629
      @louiscarl7629 Před rokem +1

      @@foreskineater The video on infi-nut was more on the plant being well designed. He never claimed it was op, in fact he mentions that chard and primal nut is better. Chard guard being more of an instant than a wall doesn’t mean creeps thinks it’s bad, neither does primal wallnut being boring.

  • @ShyGuyShow
    @ShyGuyShow Před 6 měsíci +1

    The amount of sun you can collect by stalling with Iceberg lettuce and Potato mine are worth it

    • @Quilquala
      @Quilquala Před 5 měsíci

      Using just potato mine has the same effect aside from one modern day level where the flag happens instantly, so iceberg isn't even useful. There is a limit to how much you can slow down the spawning and potato mine alone achieves that

  • @velp7718
    @velp7718 Před rokem +1

    Also when zombie dies before eberry hits it the cloud just dissappears unlike cauliflower which just attacks another zombie