Two of the Best Everyday Watches for Around $1,000 - Seiko SPB167 vs. Tissot Gentleman
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If you're interested in picking up a versatile automatic watch capable of taking on all of life's everyday challenges and have around $1,000, there are a few solid options out there on the market from both Swiss and Japanese brands. In this video, I'll do a detailed comparison of two of my favorite watches in this range, the new SPB167 from Seiko's "Sharp Edge" collection and the always solid Tissot Gentleman Powermatic 80.
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Owned them both! Tissot in black though. Both amazing. The Seiko is as close as you can get to a GS for the money and the case and dial are incredible. The Tissot yes slightly better in movement but more difficult to service. The lume In real life is much better on the seiko. This is the hardest decision in this range....hense I bought them both!
Which do you wear more?
I’ve owned the silver dial Gentleman for a year now, incredible product for the money. Looks great on a leather strap. Of note: Tissot actually COSC certifies this same movement in a different watch they offer, I’m guessing they chose not to for the Gentlemen Powermatic to keep the price where it is.
I’m at work, wearing my Tissot Gentlemen Powermatic 80. See this video and am ready to see what Teddy has to say about it again. The first video he did made me buy it lol. It’s a Datejust/Aqua Terra hybrid in my opinion. Pure class
Great watch, looks even better in person.
The Gentleman is a beauty..a must have piece for a true watch enthusiast
An excellent alternative to the Aqua Terra. I can’t justify spending on an Omega at the stage of life i’m in, but the Gentleman is an amazing watch by itself and definitely a great alternative to my dream Aqua Terra. 🔥
The dial of the presage is a beauty
Crazy photogenic. The presage collection consistently offers the most impressive dial finishing in their price category.
@@TeddyBaldassarre 100% By the way love your videos! Always entertaining no matter what video. And really professional cinematography as well!
Which would you get Teddy ?
@@TeddyBaldassarre I have the Presage 'Negroni' cocktail watch and it also has a dial that is drop-dead beautiful in person. Seiko's Presage line has some really high-end finishes (the enamel and porcelain dials are exquisite, and the Presage does offer the Spring-Drive on some high-priced models).
I have the Tokiwa green Sharp Edge and it is so beautiful it hurts! Far more entertaining than the non-offensive, middle of the road Tissot. Collectors want watches that evoke emotion and a connection to something special - this head to head is a no brainer. I got 25% at my AD so my Seiko was cheaper than the Tissot, too!
Thanks for sharing Teddy, I appreciate your insights. This is a great comparison.
I'd go towards the Tissot as I find that it has a "cleaner" dial. The Seiko dial is nice but seems to be busy and wouldn't be as versatile as the Tissot. But, like you said, you wouldn't go wrong with any of these watches.
Got the Tissot coming at the end of the month for my 40th. Very excited
Why did you sell it?
Teddy, in my relatively young journey into the Watchworld, I find that whatever questions comes to my mind, you have a video on CZcams giving me a comprehensive answer. Thank you so much for the effort. I will try and return the favor in the future by purchasing from your store.
The showdown everyone was waiting for. Great vid as always!
I've had the Tissot Gentleman for 8 months now and I absolutely love it. Accuracy is outstanding. Out of the box -1.7 seconds per day, but after wearing it daily for a few months, it has become even more accurate. From 15th of december to 28th of february -7 seconds. That's just insane! Maybe I just got lucky who knows.
Teddy, your videos are fantastic!
That is more than amazing. Beyond astonishing too. Wow.
i noticed too. powermatic80 will serve best if you wear. but in the box, less accuracy. crazy but true.
My God what are u going to do with -7 seconds 🥸 i know u can play with yrself
People do love it. What did you pay for it?
@@sinesaii I got it as a gift so I don't know.
I'm as impressed with your overall video production quality and presentation as I am with these nice watches. Lighting, videography, editing, audio, your presentation style, etc is spot on. I work in this field, well done!
Nice comparison, I would go for the Tissot because I like the silicone balance spring and service wise here were I live is easier to service a swiss movement. Keep the good work my friend!
I own both of these, but the Seiko in the white dial and the Tissot in the black. They're both really great watches. There are a couple of noteworthy things that the video doesn't mention. The indices and border around the date aperture on the Tissot are finished remarkably well. The indices sit rather tall and give the dial a lot more depth and a more premium look. That's not to say the indices aren't good on the Seiko, they're certainly a step up from what you'd find on a Sarb, for example. The next thing is the dual deployant clasp on the Tissot works really well and the watch wears really comfortably and the flush look of the bracelet where it comes together is really great. Again, the Seiko's clasp is better than what you see on a Sarb or a comparable model, but it's not quite as good as the Tissot. The Tissot is a finger print magnet. The sapphire, the bezel, the polished center links pick up tons of finger prints. The Seiko, with more brushed surfaces and a flat sapphire does a lot better in this category. Finally, the Seiko's super hardened coating seems to be working well. I've had the watch for a little over a month now and normally I would have picked up some swirl marks from my desk on the clasp or the outside of bracelet, however, the watch still doesn't have a single scratch on it. If I had to choose one of these watches to keep, I'd keep the Tissot, but if I wound up with the Seiko I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Just ordered a spb165j for my first decent everyday watch. The wearability on my 7” wrist is perfect and the white dial on this watch is not only eye catching and pleasure to view but also goes with a variety of styles.
Got the black Sharp Edge. Awesome fit and finish. The dial is superb, really plays with the angle and light. At a certain angle, the dial looks solid black then shows its great texture in another one. Just wow.
Did you have to return it to get aligned hands and indeces and chatper ring? or was it good ootb?
thanks in advance
Walked into a Seiko boutique hoping to get my hands on the SPB167, but ended up with the SPB227J1 - that red and black dial was simply gorgeous, and IMHO blew the blue dial out of the water.
I own the Seiko Sharp Edge and I absolutely love it! I chose the green dial because of the hemp leaf pattern. Good comparison video!
That green dial is a real beauty. Congrats!
Going to check out the green dial version now!
@@pschlick4 it’s amazing in person! It looks almost black in most lighting conditions and then it really pops when the light catches it. Enjoy!
@@balesjo Thanks!!!
Own the white dial. Love the fit, size, and weight.
Fell in love with the Hemp leaf. I bought a SPB165J1 two weeks ago, my first automatic !
The dial on the Seiko is beautiful. And the vintage styled angular case design is stunning.
Teddy your videos are always first class. I particularly enjoyed your presentation on how Millennials reacted to watches. Very interesting responses from them and very revealing. I appreciated the way you were patient with their lack of knowledge and I think you converted a few away from their cell phones. I have a friend who could be your doppelganger and it's uncanny. He's your age group and a very successful aviation parts supplier. You two are pretty impressive and I appreciate you both. Lots of talent and bright future for both of you. Finally a brilliant you tuber who isn't showing how to cook ribs for the millionth time.
Perfect! Needed to see a comparison with these two watches. Great vid as always Teddy 👌
I love the Gentleman. I had the blue dial, but needed a silver dial to add to my watch roll. I went to my AD, thinking the Aqua Terra would knock my socks off, and it just didn’t. I bought the silver dial Gentleman and pocketed the $4000 savings and I’m super happy with both of them. A BB36 blue dial and a BBBB and I’m done for now. Super happy with this Tissot, I think they knocked it out of the park and obviously the whole watch market agrees.
I'm debating on the dials, all of them looks awesome but I'm usually a sucker for blue dials
Really loved the look of the Tissot when it came out, but I personally think the Seiko looks so much nicer. Would love to try them side by side on the wrist.
Seiko more beautiful
I just purchased the Tissot Gentleman and I’m simply blown away at the quality. It looks amazing in person and I’ve already received a dozen compliments. I’ve spent easily 5 times as much on other watches and have never had an automatic keep such accurate time. There has only been one worry I’ve had with the watch so far - when hand winding the crown will sometimes become stiff and I can hear the rotor spinning a bit. Probably nothing, but I hope this doesn’t affect the movement. Overall, this is my dream watch and I don’t want to take it off.
What color of dial do you have for your Tissot Gentleman?
The quality of your videos are fantastic! Well researched and thought out.
Really appreciate this! Thanks for watching.
Just want to second this spot on comment, your content really is 1st class Teddy.
Thanks for all your hard work.
I am partial to the Seiko. At the beginning of the video, it caught my eye right away. I love the design on the dial! That being said, the Tissot is just classic, and you can't go wrong with it. I would be happy to pick up either one, but if I had to choose, I suppose it would be the Seiko.
They are both gorgeous. I slightly preferred the dial and more minimal looking bezel on the Seiko, but for a dress and non dress situation the Tissot might be more versatile...maybe it's better to have both!! Great comparison!👏
Just on Thursday i purchased the Gentleman.
I‘m truly deeply madly in love with it.
Teddy, your camerawork made the watches look so beautiful.
I fell in love with the powermatic 80
I truly like the simple design of the Tissot.
I don't have one in my roster of watches and this one seems to be a good one to have as an entry-level luxury watch.
Thanks for your insight ... you mostly made good points for both therefore made it more difficult for me to pick one 😉
Thanks for sharing.
I got the blue Tissot a year ago based on Teddy’s first review and really happy with it. I have found lots of different straps to substitute for the metal when I want to change it up so the 21mm wasn’t as big as issue as I thought. It keeps amazing time. 1 - 2 seconds per day.
Interested in your opinion on what kind of straps best fit with the blue dial
Just bought my gentleman and am looking into buying a aftermarket strap
great production and information as usual, but the balance of the Powermatic 80 does NOT have to be removed to adjust the rate. It can be done in situ by simply turning the screws in or out depending on desired rate. Mass out = slower rate, mass inward = faster.
Just bought the Seiko SPB167 as my first piece. Thank you for getting me in the watch game Teddy!
Refreshing to see an AD g in be such a logical unbiased review well done young man. Big fan!
I saw the seiko on a local store the other day...and wow! if you think it looks beautiful on camera, i tell you, i doesnt even make it justice. What a spectacular watch!
Good choices to compare. Thanks for another interesting and well structured video.
Just love your videos !!! The best so far - simply mind blowing
Great video! Thanks. I loved the opinion on the Tissot dial as "less threatening". The Tissot has a much sober dial than the Seiko hence I would incline to a sober design, its less risky of getting boring. Your SARX045 would be a better option to compare it with. In general I find sober/classic designs better as, one get less tired of them. Innovative designs generates an initial hype but eventually you lose it and shortly you just change the product for a newer innovative design. WDYT?
well definitely the Gentleman! i will look at it at your site close to the summer as I would like that to be a treat for some results I am expecting ;) brilliant watch. thanx for that review!
Another great video! Really like that Tissot. Thanks Teddy.
Great comparison. For an everyday watch, I'll go with the Seiko for it's looks and reliability.
Beautifully filmed review as always Teddy! My choice in this comparison is the Seiko, that dial is cool......
Me: googles how to over leverage my entire financial being to continue buying watches
The cinematography is incredible as usual!
Haha thanks Henry!
@@TeddyBaldassarre wassup teddy!!! 😎✌️
@@BPFACTS88 I was making a joke but thanks for the advice, I might need it
Great comparison video. These two compare well. Seiko looks much better but can't go wrong with either
Both really amazing watches for everyday use. My preference goes to the Presage for superior detailed finishing and angular design.
The hard coating with that dial combined with easier regulation makes the Presage a watch that could be passed down and last beautifully
Another outstanding video! Man..Love both of these,but id side with the Tissot as I'm going to pick up the Presage GMT later in year. Seiko does look great though👍
Good review. Personally, I like the Tissot. It would be great if you can do a side-by-side comparison between the Tissot and the Aqua Terra. Although, they are of a different league but it will be great to see them how they fare in design and maybe, movement. Keep it up!
Man, this was tough. Seiko for me by a hair due to the edgy look. It's just a bit more modern and playful, yet still classy if not *quite* as versatile. Bracelet is also nice enough to keep and the friendly 20mm lug width can't be denied.
Love the comparison format and hope to see more. Especially the Tissot rose gold Gentleman Powermatic w/silver sector dial. It's also worthy of some careful consideration as it has a 20mm lug width and is real rose gold at a competitive price point.
They are both nice. Very good review. You are very clear and give details. Thank you.
Got the Seiko! I love it, thanks for the review!
New subscriber and loving the videos. Would love a comparison between one of these watches and the $1000 Ball Fireman Enterprise as an everyday
Good comparisons. Interestingly I looked at both of these recently,but with the white dialled Seiko. The dial definitely wins that part of the contest. As for the overall, its close.
Maybe a similar one for the 1-2000 range would be good.
I am definitely going for Tissot. My opinion after your review it's the best bang for your buck. Tissot has been around a long long time and I think this is a great watch. I have requested this watch from my wife for Xmas. 🙏. Thanks for the review Teddy.
I would probably just go for the Tissot because it is a little more watch for the money movement-wise, I like the dial a little better (although it isn't as decorated) and the brand name is probably more interesting for the money as well. Idk about value retention for each, though. Also, id love to see videos about where you get your clothes from, Teddy. You always look sharp!
Great review, I love bang for buck watches. A while ago eyed both these watches ánd the Sinn 556 ib. Got the latter and never looked back! (The Sinn is a littlebit higher priced though)
I like the Sieko. Looks fantastic but their SPB149 is the watch that I am currently looking for. Such a beauty
I like them both but Seiko is the clear winner IMO. Great video! And I like your taste in watches which is hard to propagate if you are a dealer and have to sell many different ones.
I am in the exact position of choosing one of these two watches, slightly inclined for the Seiko after seeing this video.
Why?
While the Tissot has the silicon hair spring, Seiko comes with the proprietary SPRON 610. Both are antimagnetic, elastic and resistant. I couldn’t find any article comparing both, but for sure the two watches are aligned with the antimagnetic trend.
Both are made of 316L stainless steel with the Seiko coming with the added hard coating layer. Yes this protects against scratches, and I have read favourable reviews on the web about it, but have two downsides: adds to the cost of the watch and when they scratch polishing is possible, but difficult.
The guilloche type of dial of the SPB167 also adds to the cost, so it comes to appreciating it or not. I do appreciate as, I suppose, Teddy does.
When buying a mechanical watch precision is not that important. What one has to have in mind is the manufacture’s specification and if this specification suits your requirements. I found a little misleading the comparison provided in this video, because two different instances of these watches could turn out completely different. Statistically this comparison is said to be anecdotal.
I will be happy with either watch. I can understand the difference in price (a small difference at the manufacturer can turn out in a substantial one when factoring in margins up the distribution chain ) and appreciate aesthetically Seiko’s timepiece.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks Teddy for excellent review! I just subscribed. I strongly consider to get this Tissot as my second automatic watch.
One thing I have been a bit doubtful about is the large lug to lug size of 48mm, because I have only 17cm wrist. But on the video it seems to be ok on 16cm wrist. And I measure my Citizen BN0191-80L to around 48mm as well and I have not felt it's too big, so it should not be a problem I think.
By the way: please include the weight of the watches in your reviews! That is often excluded in watch specifications in general and I don't understand why, because it's good to know as well.
Amazing quality video and pictures... As allways. Nice job and interesting vs.
I've contemplated both, but haven't pulled the trigger on either. What kills me on the Sharp Edge Seikos is that you can get the SARX055 for around the same price, but you get a titanium case and an interesting but more subtle dial aesthetic.
Seiko all day for me out of these two as its a brilliant all rounder with a better fit on wrist for me. Tissot have an annoying habit of extending the central section of the end link which doesn't sit right to my eyes, both watches have great dials though!
I think this was generally a thorough and balanced review, but I think you could have addressed some of the serviceability and repair issues the silicone hair spring on the Tissot Gentleman potentially brings.
Great video, Teddy…as always. Truly torn between the two before watching the video…still a little after watching…arghh! I’m slightly leaning towards the Seiko though; never owned one. I have two Quartz (your videos on the quartz vs mechanical options are great…I’ve learned a lot) Tissots which I love; so the draw of an automatic Tissot is strong. So many things to consider that you’ve (as ever) so clearly covered in crystal clear clarity. First class.
great video as always, Teddy.
Thx
Love these type of videos!
The seiko is beautiful stunning dial but can't go wrong with either
Spunk yes
Tissot looks a lottle better imo.
My favorite seiko looks are rhe sportier ones, or the grand seiko ones for ehrn less sporty looks.
Great video. Very informative. Both watches look outstanding. That Tissot is just calling my name.
really can't go wrong with both of these watches, but the Seiko dial is absolutely stunning!
I’ve seen a The same dial in brown, and it is wild gorgeous.
A three way comparison with the Sharp Edge, Gentleman and the Longines Conquest would have been ideal IMO. I have been following your channel for some time now and i love how passionate you are about the camera work and macro shots. Definitely one of the best watch channels for enthusiasts on CZcams.
I got the Tissot Gentleman and I love it the dark blue dial is beautiful and simple only complain I got is, the watch scratches really easy
tomorrow I will take the tissot gentelman in my hands I am a super happy 😍
Enjoy that beauty!
Great choice.
Always beautiful content !
I just purchased the Tissot Gentleman with a green dial. I’m absolutely in love with this watch.
Hey Teddy, how about a video with the same price point but watches with a GMT complication. Thank you for the videos Teddy
Ditto!
I got the tissot powermatic gentleman blue because of you. Loving it soo much!
I got the same a few days ago. Awesome watch!
Any problem with glare ? I am afraid light reflection could be annoying ...
@@ep7164 Yup thats the common issue with the sunburst effect. In darker areas it appears black. But in well lit areas like offices and malls, it looks too good.
This is the video I've been looking for.
Like these 2 comparison, hard to choose, if I were to sit at the Starbuck reading a book and spending some alone time, the Seiko would boost the vibe occasionally, but for everyday watch, I might go for Tissot Gentleman.
The SPB167 has a very interesting dial and a more elegant bracelet. I am a longtime fan and owner of Tissot and Seiko, but in this case the overall proportions of the Gentleman seem more balanced to me.
I'm a little hammered and I have decided to get the SRP167 (SARX077). Thank you for this vid.
I’ve owned the Tissot for a few months now.
I’m very happy with it.
Nice comparison. Well done and complete. But after owning these and the Longines Conquest, the Conquest is the best at this price point.
I purchased the Seiko and wanted to learn more about it. My comment is in regards to the review. I appreciated how fair it was despite you only selling the Tissot when it came out. Well done…
Nice one Teddy, I have both and I would mention that the Seiko does have a Spron 510 mainspring, which is also non-magnetic but arguably more durable than silicium
....commendable, while all that matters it's the hair spring, which is Silicium made at the Tissot. And how is the durability known since the silicium entered just few years back. Considering it is a nanotech material made of homogeneous Cristal lattice and virtually zero corrosion, I'd put money on Si.
Seikos are great for dials even in budget category. But the Tissot Gentleman blue dial is so versatile. And the tissot being an upmarket brand is surprisingly the cheaper one.... So my pick is going to the Tissot Gentleman, for sure.
A fascinating comparison, and honestly much closer than I expected. The Tissot is my preference, but I can definitely see the Seiko being the better choice for some. I think it comes down to four factors; design, movement, fit and value.
I think design goes to the Seiko. There are more than a few people that use photos of the Tissot Gentleman to treat their insomnia; for those people the much more interesting dial, case and bracelet of the Seiko is a big plus. I also appreciate that the date window matches the dial on the blue dial (the date matches on both black dial variants); the white date on the Tissot was almost enough to push me towards the black dial at first. That said, the sunburst blue dial on the Tissot looks beautiful in person, and I prefer the hand/marker design. Point to Seiko.
Fit is entirely subjective, and therefore a draw. If you have smaller wrists (
What if you can get the Seiko cheaper? I currently live in Japan and you can get the Seiko 100 bucks less
@torotot246 Well, if price is similar, then that's a draw, too. Everything else was close enough that I only used the Tissot's price/value as the drawbreaker. If that's no longer the case, just pick the one you prefer.
@@gpearce11 thank you for your response. I am losing sleep bc of this lmao
@torotot246 If it helps, I love my Gentleman (blue dial), but again, you can't go wrong. My advice is to try them both on first, preferably side by side, and one of them will probably end up feeling more right on your wrist.
That's what happened when I finally got to try the Gentleman and PRX on together, as I knew I wanted one of those two, but I'd only tried on the Gentleman. Once I tried on both at the same time, the Gentleman felt like it was made for me, so I went with that one.
@@gpearce11 unfortunately, can’t try them side by side. But I went both stores and to be honest, Gentleman felt more premium. Only downside I would say is it’s more expensive out here and the bracelet.
Love the video. You should also check out the cocktail time range from the presage series. Especially the SRPE45J1. Just picked it up and my god that dial :)
I would say the Ball Fireman Enterprise as that can be bought for the same price as the Presage. Furthermore it has 904L steel, tritium tubes and a far better strap. The Ball 1103R (ETA2824-2) is also a solid performer which is easy to maintain.
I love the finish on the Tissot but love the dial on the Seiko
Just bought this exact Tissot last week!
I am actually just right now considering buying the Tissot. I saw the quarz version of the watch and loved it. The price is 350 US more or less giving the exchange rate. So I startet looking online and found out about this version of the watch. And I am absolutely willing to pay the extra. The diference in quality are really worth it. I think I might get myself a nice birthday present.
Great video Teddy, and well executed. If I had $1000 I would go for the Seiko
Best two watch to date ! I know more to come! Colors and more choices!
Fantastic comparison! I think the dial is JUST enough to make the price bump worth it for the Seiko. For either of these, I'd prefer a 50 hour power reserve to bump up the bph to 28,8.
Hemp leaves are popular in my culture too, especially after 10pm with a bag of munchies.
My man
The SPB Seiko in white! Great job Teddy
Wow Teddy, chosing beteeen these two would keep me awake for a couple of nights. I'm a Seiko guy, and Seiko would be my obviouse gut instinct , but as you very clearly point out from the movement side I would nudge to the Tissot. I will not take the price in concideration. Great review, great looking watches.
... between* ... obvious* gut instinct,* but ... consideration* ...
As an owner of the Seiko, don't even think about the Tissot. But get a green Sharp Edge and thank me later 😉
I’m currently in the same situation here 🙊
Great comparison. For me, they are very evenly matched, with the price difference pushing the decision toward the Tissot.
Would you please consider doing a video of similar type watch but in $1000 to around $2000? Another video idea, top 3 tool and diver (every day wear) watches. Emphasis on tough and robust movment watches at different price ranges. For example the omega diver 300 - I would expect it to be the best everyday wear watch in that price category? Or is there a more robust diver for the same price?
Tissot is making the right moves ...This Gentleman,the new PRX...and I bet they have something else for 2021. Great vídeo,as always,Teddy.
Both Seiko and almost anything in the Swatch group are awesome,more brands do have to go this dress/WR route as it really is the best of both worlds IMO
These two watches have been on the top of my "Next Watch List". Now, if I had the $1000 to spend, I'd probably lean for the Seiko strictly because of that dial. It's a real attention-grabber. The finishing, as I remember, uses some techniques that gravitated from the Grand Seikos, and the bracelet, each link is composed of five individual pieces. However, I also gravitate towards the Tissot because of the movement and the price, but I have a small wrist so the slightly larger case is a negative. Either watch would be great, the Seiko maybe leaning towards slightly dressier.