I am a Carpenter/Woodworker and I have bought Yonico router bits now for 2 years and they work great and haven't dulled yet with no signs of having rough edges, and mine shows them to be made in the USA Lakewood, NJ to be exact. I think you being a bit hard on the Brand. And I use them almost everyday.
correct me if im wrong, but did i just see 2 varying speeds the cuts were made at? ive used cheap chinese bits for as little as 4 euros per bit and they do what they are supposed to on all different kinds of wood (maple, oak, birch, beech, rosewood, sapeli, wenge, mahogany, etc) without any considerate difficulty. you do have to move along the wood slowly though, otherwise the material will be rather burnt than cut. BUT, unless you are a professional woodworker, there is acgually no need for really expensive router bits. also another upside to using cheaper tools: the learning experience. if youre new to woodworking, using the cheaper bits will inevitably increase your learning curve, hence having to watch for grain direction, cutting direction, rotation, etc.
Yonico are an excellent and inexpensive router bits. They are worth buying. If it breaks, they will send you a new but in a few days. I have made hundreds ft trims and still sharp for acouple more hundreds passes. Anyhow, what do I know, I'm just a weekend warrior and that is just my opinion.
Comment on an old video but still going to say it. If your only problem is the fact the bits are not as sharp then that is no excuse for something that is 3 times the price. You can sharpen the carbide yourself then. American made stuff is not always the best quality so don't go off that idea. They try and use the Made in America slogan and jack up the price for a tool even though its quality and finish is only worth half the price. Mostly depends on your ability to understand the difference between ready to use convince and mark up and a base line quality tool that can be finished and made better. Now aside from that, local business is the best because they need to produce high quality stuff to keep in business and that also can mean the price will be high. They don't have the production volume to go the lower quality but high quantity to keep sales high. These business' can be found in the US as well as many other countries and they do have internet and shipping now over say a decade or two ago. Overall I hate when people use the "it costs way more so its better quality" business idea. Its the reason why the actual good quality stuff that deserves the price is mixed in a market with worse quality stuff that is marked up or the same quality stuff that is over priced just to give the "oh it costs more so its better" effect. That's why i miss in store purchasing of goods cause you could look at it and get a feel if its initial quality before your buy it. Bought many cheap low finish tools that with a bit of finish work and refining became as good as the higher priced tools.
You are right. A good example of that same topic is W-New miter gauge with fence 24 inches fence vs the one from Incra. I paid about $110 for a 100% solid aluminum and steel, no plastic parts at all... and a stopper. Shipping from China included. Incra does that for $235 no shipping included. Tested all angles from 0° to 60° ...perfect. Actually the fence have adjustments left/right (parallel to blafe) and tilt up/down to be flat on surface....can't beat that. Worth the money and wait time.
Not necessarily true, its what kind of carbide used to make the bit as to how often you'll need to grind a fresh side, if it was properly balanced with both cutters cutting edge in the same orientations so they both cut at the same time and how long the tools hold an edge. Usa made bits have 140 years of background into making qulity tools. The Chinese like to pump this trash out and stuff it in a box without any care or thought to qulity cutters. Now if it was made in Japan we'd be talking a different story. Proofs in the pudding. Keep buying that junk and dealing with it ill buy good tools once, you buy 20 sets of junk. Save the carbide, its valuable even if it wasnt made correctly. Real carbide is brittle but holds an edge. Cheap carbide wont hold an edge and is softer. Trust me you get what you paid for. I was a machinest carbide has different grades
Couple passes with a file sharpening up that bit would be a lot cheaper than buying new bits. After 100 linear feet, that Eagle is going to start giving you the same results and you will have to sharpen anyway.
Woodworking Explained those teeth are carbide so make sure you use a diamond file. Btw, you probably should have presharpened it after your first bad pass, as post production sharpening quality is the typical difference with discounted tools, the second is edge retention, but if this is a rarely used profile not a big issue.
@@DBYNOE Kinda what I was thinking, but - what about an extreme close-up of the cutting edges, in order to perhaps give some insight on the REASON there's a difference???
I’m going to buy a small set of the Yonico bits to just check them out in how long they would last for exterior/historical profile painted trim first. Interior fine finish? Being a wood finisher (for well over 40yrs) has taught me that there is no substitute for using the best quality of tool for towards a high finished expectation. (So many memories of having to bring profiles up to speed to take a fine finish...all because of low skill, low knowledge, and high acceptance with marginal workmanship being performed.) Not everything requires perfect but? Thanks for your efforts, eyes and knowledge in clarifying the differences here! It helped.
I second Silent Ferret : You are right. A good example of that same topic is W-New miter gauge with fence 24 inches fence vs the one from Incra. I paid about $110 for a 100% solid aluminum and steel, no plastic parts at all... and a stopper. Shipping from China included. Incra does that for $235 no shipping included. Tested all angles from 0° to 60° ...perfect. Actually the fence have adjustments left/right (parallel to blafe) and tilt up/down to be flat on surface....can't beat that. Worth the money and wait time.
Very nice video, I've played the router bit game over the years too. I've finally settled on the orange CMT router bits. Made in Italy for a decent price. The Eagles you're using are top notch too
I normally buy American products because I know I will get better quality, but i'm looking at buyers reviews online and the American made router bits have 3 stars and a tone of bad reviews, compare to the Yonico. I guess ill try to find a different American company to go with but thanks for your review.
+Oscar Cortes I've used Whiteside bits. They're made in the USA, and have similar quality to Eagle America. Fine Woodworking did a test several years ago, and they scored high in the review. That's how I found out about them. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Yonico factory is in Lakeside New Jersey so unless New Jersey suddenly moved to China Unico is an American made bit. I have over 100 of them and not one of them chips out like this guy did. He is doing some thing to fudge the review guaranteed he’s being sponsored by Eagle or getting some kind of kickback for getting their bits to sell. I have done edge profiles and engraving in inlay using the Yonico bits on woods, varying from Pine, mahogany, maple, curly maple, teak, oak, walnut, and many more and never had any chip out or a situation where I would have to deform the profile by sanding. All had a finish smooth surface. I am sponsored by no one every bit is utilized and bought with money out of my pocket and earns back. It’s money without any excessive extra work or any other issues.
Lighting across the surface instead of from in front will bring out the defects so they can be seen on camera. Pros seem to think that DIYers can accept lower quality, Not all of us will!
I don't get why you wouldn't compare a proper European QUALITY bit like Freud, instead of comparing American and Chinese knockoffs. If you're going to spend premium prices, why not get premium quality?
What kind/brand of router table do you have? My routers are older and only 3 amp and 6.5amp; rather weak in capability. Thank you for your time and attention...
Yonico is an American company and work great. I have done crossgrain cut in almost every wood and are smoother than 600 grit sandpaper could get a piece of wood. Quit spreading misinformation and get your facts straight. Plus if you’re going to compare stuff. Keep the speed of the router, the same.
I think you're mixed up. Most DIY customers are their wives, for whom you want absolutely top quality. No other customer ggives your work that level of scrutiny.
not a scientific test as the yonico was used on the end grain where the eagle america was used with the grain. Any cutter has a hard time with end grain
Both bits can be purchased as part of a four piece set. Here's the link for both brands: Links for Router Bit Sets: Yonico 12401: amzn.to/2mkt5d3 Eagle America 199-1815: bit.ly/2hjMm83 Let me know if that answers your question. Thanks...
My mind has been made up, Yonico seems to "burn" rather than shear a clean cut. With the added time of sanding the corners, my project time will be cut in half. As a new comer to woodworking, I think I will go for Eagle America router bits from now on.... That's for a well needed review.
Router bits can be sharpened with diamond stones. Some of mine I sharpened up to 1500grit. C2 & C3 carbide have to meet a minimum standard right so how well a bit cuts is dependant on its edge. Save some money and learn how to sharpen
Think again about Mercedes over Toyota's. The Toyota will outlast the "over engineered German plastic". Search ( Scotty Kilmer )n on CZcams. Listen to what he says about the European cars.
I am a Carpenter/Woodworker and I have bought Yonico router bits now for 2 years and they work great and haven't dulled yet with no signs of having rough edges, and mine shows them to be made in the USA Lakewood, NJ to be exact. I think you being a bit hard on the Brand. And I use them almost everyday.
correct me if im wrong, but did i just see 2 varying speeds the cuts were made at?
ive used cheap chinese bits for as little as 4 euros per bit and they do what they are supposed to on all different kinds of wood (maple, oak, birch, beech, rosewood, sapeli, wenge, mahogany, etc) without any considerate difficulty. you do have to move along the wood slowly though, otherwise the material will be rather burnt than cut.
BUT, unless you are a professional woodworker, there is acgually no need for really expensive router bits.
also another upside to using cheaper tools: the learning experience. if youre new to woodworking, using the cheaper bits will inevitably increase your learning curve, hence having to watch for grain direction, cutting direction, rotation, etc.
Yonico are an excellent and inexpensive router bits. They are worth buying. If it breaks, they will send you a new but in a few days. I have made hundreds ft trims and still sharp for acouple more hundreds passes. Anyhow, what do I know, I'm just a weekend warrior and that is just my opinion.
Cousin Justin If it’s for occasional use, or even for just one project, and ace cooper likes it, then I’d say it’s you that knows nothing.
Comment on an old video but still going to say it. If your only problem is the fact the bits are not as sharp then that is no excuse for something that is 3 times the price. You can sharpen the carbide yourself then.
American made stuff is not always the best quality so don't go off that idea. They try and use the Made in America slogan and jack up the price for a tool even though its quality and finish is only worth half the price. Mostly depends on your ability to understand the difference between ready to use convince and mark up and a base line quality tool that can be finished and made better.
Now aside from that, local business is the best because they need to produce high quality stuff to keep in business and that also can mean the price will be high. They don't have the production volume to go the lower quality but high quantity to keep sales high. These business' can be found in the US as well as many other countries and they do have internet and shipping now over say a decade or two ago.
Overall I hate when people use the "it costs way more so its better quality" business idea. Its the reason why the actual good quality stuff that deserves the price is mixed in a market with worse quality stuff that is marked up or the same quality stuff that is over priced just to give the "oh it costs more so its better" effect. That's why i miss in store purchasing of goods cause you could look at it and get a feel if its initial quality before your buy it. Bought many cheap low finish tools that with a bit of finish work and refining became as good as the higher priced tools.
You are right. A good example of that same topic is W-New miter gauge with fence 24 inches fence vs the one from Incra. I paid about $110 for a 100% solid aluminum and steel, no plastic parts at all... and a stopper. Shipping from China included.
Incra does that for $235 no shipping included.
Tested all angles from 0° to 60° ...perfect. Actually the fence have adjustments left/right (parallel to blafe) and tilt up/down to be flat on surface....can't beat that. Worth the money and wait time.
Not necessarily true, its what kind of carbide used to make the bit as to how often you'll need to grind a fresh side, if it was properly balanced with both cutters cutting edge in the same orientations so they both cut at the same time and how long the tools hold an edge.
Usa made bits have 140 years of background into making qulity tools.
The Chinese like to pump this trash out and stuff it in a box without any care or thought to qulity cutters. Now if it was made in Japan we'd be talking a different story. Proofs in the pudding. Keep buying that junk and dealing with it ill buy good tools once, you buy 20 sets of junk.
Save the carbide, its valuable even if it wasnt made correctly.
Real carbide is brittle but holds an edge.
Cheap carbide wont hold an edge and is softer. Trust me you get what you paid for. I was a machinest carbide has different grades
Couple passes with a file sharpening up that bit would be a lot cheaper than buying new bits. After 100 linear feet, that Eagle is going to start giving you the same results and you will have to sharpen anyway.
I'll give it try. Thanks for the tip.
Woodworking Explained those teeth are carbide so make sure you use a diamond file. Btw, you probably should have presharpened it after your first bad pass, as post production sharpening quality is the typical difference with discounted tools, the second is edge retention, but if this is a rarely used profile not a big issue.
@@DBYNOE Kinda what I was thinking, but - what about an extreme close-up of the cutting edges, in order to perhaps give some insight on the REASON there's a difference???
A file won't touch it. A card sized diamond stone would be the right tool for sharpening carbide.
I’m going to buy a small set of the Yonico bits to just check them out in how long they would last for exterior/historical profile painted trim first. Interior fine finish? Being a wood finisher (for well over 40yrs) has taught me that there is no substitute for using the best quality of tool for towards a high finished expectation. (So many memories of having to bring profiles up to speed to take a fine finish...all because of low skill, low knowledge, and high acceptance with marginal workmanship being performed.)
Not everything requires perfect but?
Thanks for your efforts, eyes and knowledge in clarifying the differences here! It helped.
great video. Unfortunately I've just found the bit I need made by that Yonico
I second Silent Ferret : You are right. A good example of that same topic is W-New miter gauge with fence 24 inches fence vs the one from Incra. I paid about $110 for a 100% solid aluminum and steel, no plastic parts at all... and a stopper. Shipping from China included.
Incra does that for $235 no shipping included.
Tested all angles from 0° to 60° ...perfect. Actually the fence have adjustments left/right (parallel to blafe) and tilt up/down to be flat on surface....can't beat that. Worth the money and wait time.
Just be careful, Eagle America does have a "price cutter" line that is not made in the U.S. So know what you pay for!
Cali Valley MLCS is their budget line
Very nice video, I've played the router bit game over the years too. I've finally settled on the orange CMT router bits. Made in Italy for a decent price. The Eagles you're using are top notch too
I've also heard good things about CMT and also Amana bits. I usually buy Whiteside and Eagle America bits when they run a sale. Thanks for watching!
7:19 And that's indicative of a shh(itty) dull carbide cutter.
Nice bit
maple is a bugger with any bit
I normally buy American products because I know I will get better quality, but i'm looking at buyers reviews online and the American made router bits have 3 stars and a tone of bad reviews, compare to the Yonico. I guess ill try to find a different American company to go with but thanks for your review.
+Oscar Cortes I've used Whiteside bits. They're made in the USA, and have similar quality to Eagle America. Fine Woodworking did a test several years ago, and they scored high in the review. That's how I found out about them. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Yonico factory is in Lakeside New Jersey so unless New Jersey suddenly moved to China Unico is an American made bit. I have over 100 of them and not one of them chips out like this guy did. He is doing some thing to fudge the review guaranteed he’s being sponsored by Eagle or getting some kind of kickback for getting their bits to sell. I have done edge profiles and engraving in inlay using the Yonico bits on woods, varying from Pine, mahogany, maple, curly maple, teak, oak, walnut, and many more and never had any chip out or a situation where I would have to deform the profile by sanding. All had a finish smooth surface. I am sponsored by no one every bit is utilized and bought with money out of my pocket and earns back. It’s money without any excessive extra work or any other issues.
Yonico may be made in China, I don't know. but it's an american company.
American Eagle, what other name do you need to sell in the states, not that I am saying its not good but 'hey' they know how to market a product!
Lighting across the surface instead of from in front will bring out the defects so they can be seen on camera. Pros seem to think that DIYers can accept lower quality, Not all of us will!
Thanks for the review. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for.
I totally agree with you. When it comes to tools, there's a reason for it being cheap. Thanks for watching.
Not always, there are some really good quality products in Harbor Freight believe it or not.
I don't get why you wouldn't compare a proper European QUALITY bit like Freud, instead of comparing American and Chinese knockoffs. If you're going to spend premium prices, why not get premium quality?
Maybe because Eagle American and Whiteside bits are considerably superior to Freud? Freud is the bargain-priced brand of premium bits.
What kind/brand of router table do you have? My routers are older and only 3 amp and 6.5amp; rather weak in capability. Thank you for your time and attention...
I currently use 2 1/4 hp Hitachi and Triton routers in both my tables. They have sufficient power and are very affordable.
Why not test and compare bits with the same or very similar profile?
Why not Amana, and Whiteside bits?
Buy the best tool you can afford and if its top of the line you'll only buy it once.
Buy cheap youll spend more money.
Cmt made in Italy 🇮🇹 is the best router bits in the world
Can i used this bit with my dwalt 616 ?
different bit speeds, clear bias towards American made...
Yonico is an American company and work great. I have done crossgrain cut in almost every wood and are smoother than 600 grit sandpaper could get a piece of wood. Quit spreading misinformation and get your facts straight. Plus if you’re going to compare stuff. Keep the speed of the router, the same.
I think you're mixed up. Most DIY customers are their wives, for whom you want absolutely top quality. No other customer ggives your work that level of scrutiny.
not a scientific test as the yonico was used on the end grain where the eagle america was used with the grain. Any cutter has a hard time with end grain
Both were used on endgrain and with the grain watch all of it.
Which router bit did you use to get this edge pattern?TIA!
Woodworking Explained Thank you 😊 for the quick response....It does not appear that is a bit that comes in a standard set...
Both bits can be purchased as part of a four piece set. Here's the link for both brands:
Links for Router Bit Sets:
Yonico 12401: amzn.to/2mkt5d3
Eagle America 199-1815: bit.ly/2hjMm83
Let me know if that answers your question. Thanks...
My mind has been made up, Yonico seems to "burn" rather than shear a clean cut. With the added time of sanding the corners, my project time will be cut in half. As a new comer to woodworking, I think I will go for Eagle America router bits from now on.... That's for a well needed review.
Router bits can be sharpened with diamond stones. Some of mine I sharpened up to 1500grit. C2 & C3 carbide have to meet a minimum standard right so how well a bit cuts is dependant on its edge. Save some money and learn how to sharpen
I buy only German made - simply the. best
Until you are rich enough, do not buy a Mercedes but to stick with your Toyota, it gets you to where you wanna be.
Think again about Mercedes over Toyota's. The Toyota will outlast the "over engineered German plastic". Search ( Scotty Kilmer )n on CZcams. Listen to what he says about the European cars.
Do not buy bits from china.