Robert Park - Arguments Contra God?
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- Arguments that seek to show God does not exist are incredibly important. Why? Because God is not a game. Believing in the existence of God is a massive conclusion about reality and thus a high standard of belief should be set. Moreover, if one wants God to exist than it is critical to be certain one is not deluded.
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I am a God and I'm deeply offended that Robert Park thinks I don't solve any problems. What does he think I do all day?
You listen to prayers and double-check who skipped them. At the same time, you monitor women who don't cover their hair, and you decide if someone should find a parking space quickly or another one should keep suffering as a child refugee, etc.
As soon as the guest refused to provide affirmative arguments against the existence of a god, I cut off the interview and found some more entertaining stuff.
Yup. I think I’m about done with this channel.
good job, you sure taught them a lesson
I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.
- Richard Feynman
I suppose I agree with that as a matter of intellectual freedom, but it doesn't answer where matter came from, nor where the astonishing complexity of living organisms arose.
@@20july1944 we don't know where the energy that matter is made of comes from and that is ok. Attributing it to god is not an answer
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y A russian rocket scientist once said to me that the energy has allways existed it had to because you cant get something from nothing. It was in response to me asking in regard to the first law of thermodynamics that energy is niether created or destroyed. I thought it a good answer though I am a theist
Easy so easy, medium true medium, have the same vaccum equal the vacuum before big- bang. I prove that. In the vacuum God lives.
@@nelsonpinheiro1148 Yeah, naw
*"The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you."
Something being unnecessary does not speak to whether it exists or doesn't exist, be it a God or anything else.*
Means you overrule The Antrophic principle..
golden63, no disrespect to you, and although what you said might sound good to most folks, it is incorrect. The Universe is Governed by the laws of Physics which necessitate that everything which exists exist, and which does not not, like Suat Ustel said "The Anthropic Principle". In other words, diametrically opposed to what you said, if something exists is due to it being necessary, and if if does not, unnecessary.
@@newmankidman5763 my problem this necessary being its essence and this necessary being is an Ex-Gratia how does it amount wither down to a single unity(nothing can create itself including Gods) you theologians conflate its essence and existence contomporeneasly this is impossible as Sarte quieted existence preceded essence if universe come to the fore 13.7 billions years ago its bears out is a thought process, my point is if universe exist , it must have been existing as steady state, God cannot at a whim some point thorough out existence just to say let there be light space and galaxies and earth and humans his doesn't bode with his eternity......
@@suatustel746, you must have misunderstood my comment. I am an Atheist
@@newmankidman5763 well have to be sceptic simply don't wanna be disrespectful other idealogies second even supreme being might exist, he might not be a paragon of virtue, his ulterior motives overrides virtues like benevolence mercy magniluquence justice etc.
The reason I maintain a position that GOD may exist, is that we are ultimately limited in our conceptions of how everything fits together. We are bound by the limitations of survival, as dictated by evolutionary necessity. Perhaps the universe is an operating system on a computer (lets use that analogy) and our operating system GOD, or unified physics along with other unknowns, adds up to a super consciousness. We can call it whatever we want, but at the end of the day we will always be testing the universe, observing and discovering something odd or mysterious. Emotionally, this is the relationship I am having with the universe I suppose. I guess it's "complicated" as is usually posted the FB or social media world.
I agree with you, i feel robert is respectfully missing the bigger picture. I feel as humans we know God to be true as well as mystery our way through this universe probably among the many he provided with science. Religion does change, it should change, individually. Certain people follow really archaic beliefs like you’ll burn in eternity to encourage them to be good and such but really individually you should choose to not take a chance at being at truly evil person. And when u die you’ll find about stuff probably meet the guy
@@pabloespinosa1246 "we know God to be true" Huh??? What kind of God are you referring to???
But is God existing enough for you? You also want the easy lazy life that comes with God?
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies?
That is the God you want, right? Your ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort?
@@rckflmg94 I feel we as humans know God to be true meaning the majority of people believe there is an unseen meaning, creator or simply force that is not on the same level of existence than us be it maybe only because of the sheer force of mass belief in such an entity, not saying it has to be the God so many religions have tried to describe
@@pabloespinosa1246 yes, there could be a deity that created this universe (and others?) but doesn't interfere in any way with the laws and constants of physics. This a popular conception of "God" by many Enlightenment thinkers in the 18th century.
R L Kuhn is intellectually way ahead of his guest, it’s like he’s debating a child.
Can you trust person talking on this subject who never smoke DMT?
😂I’ve got my fist batch of mushrooms growing now. I’ll ask god when they’re done and let you know. 😂
Indeed!
The silliness of this video is amazing.
How do you evaluate a claim on the basis of its utility instead of its objectivity.
Who cares wether you find the concept useful or not, the question is “is it true” ?
More progress would be made if we stick to debate where the theist can put forward arguments for theism and atheist can attempt a refutation.
All he said in this video was his subjective and personal reasons for not being a theist. Who cares about that? Lets stick to objectivity.
Indeed
"Lets stick to objectivity." 13.7 Billion years, god never shows up. There's your objectivity, right there.
Well, if you want objectivity, not much debate is needed, there is no proof of the existence of a god and there is no proof of the contrary. The guy is simply giving his opinion on the subject and that's all anyone can do anyway.
useful means it has explanatory power, if a theory doesn't have any explanatory power you have no reason to believe it
He has no interest in finding the objective truth, only how useful he thinks the concept is.
Whether you believe in god or not you are equally incapable of understanding the nothingness that you have emerged from as the vastness that you are engulfed in.
A man that lives a carnal life will never understand God.
Man that lives a spiritual life will understand God.
May God blessed you all
God is like the love of a mother present even when she is not there! It is a love warm like friendship and makes you never feel alone or lonely.ife,in spite of all theologians,religions or philosopher
I am 83 and I keep God in my heart while living my life like animal do.
I chose God to be and this is a big plus in my l
That's a perfectly logical approach to the unanswerable question of God's existence:
Given that He MAY WELL exist and would be the only plausible source of life after death, there is every reason to want a good relationship with Him, unless you really, REALLY hate Him for some reason IF He exists.
Transcendency is a human creation, we are through our atoms as old as the universe and have lived in all the forms that exist. Eternity and infinit belong to us, when we do not try to understand or explain God.
Very well expressed, God is not exclusive to any religion, just as unconditional love is not exclusive to any mother, God is a spirit and is in each and every person, people may not share same religion or belief but may share same faith.
Eat some mushrooms go and meet her 😁
What should make all religions more honest and more modest is the fact that nobody has ever seen or heard God, but religions pretend in a very dishonest way that they deal with God for any major or minor problem!
Love like motherly love is in my opinion a manifestation of God. It should suffice. When we feel God in our heart we become happy and free, because
We are no longer alone! Lies and hypocrisy fuel hate and war!
I am not religious at all, but I do explore philosophy and religion in a philosophical sense. This videos seems to go like this.
Host: Religious arguments.
Guest: But I don't like it x 1000 times.
Problems run deeper than this. Most of human issues are human condition and religion gets swept into that. I am not saying that religion doesn't have bad sides, but we had wars for many other reasons and not only god. People will fight over any ideology as long as they are weak enough they will follow that bloodshed. My view at least.
That's what I've been telling people who keep on saying that ALL Wars are caused by religion When in fact it is actually more of economics, trade Wars , political Wars , territorial Wars.
Religious war is just an excuse …
@@dongshengdi773 it's not that "god" is either "good" or "bad". It's non-existent and therefore this explains why "god" has never interceded to save people with "miracles" and supernatural power.
Amazing - do your not see a King/Dictator/a Putin in the Christian/Islamic God?
Is it too hard to figure out that the ancients that lived under Kings/Dictators made God in their image? "We must get down on our knees, swear loyalty(belief) & obedience, obey only this master and no other, beg for his mercy, hope he is pleased & GIVE us a reward(heaven)"
Simple, primitive ideas of God that even the best of minds seem to blindly follow
Under the effect of our pride we have created transcendency. Feeling God in my heart I try to live like animals do,naturally, no superiority, no race discrimination and above all no war! P.S. I am omnivorous.
@@micheldisclafani2343 But you do look away when your religion preaches Nazi ideas OPENLY!
Billions of Hindus, Buddhists & Atheists will be set apart based on belief alone and will be condemned to gas chambers in hell!
We are talking old people, children, even babies? pregnant women & innocent others being sent to a brutal fate all because of their beliefs?
The same thing that happened to millions of Innocents under the Nazis simply because they were Jews!
There is a Hitler-"God" waiting for us while these creepy Nazis will cheer the Lord?
NOT ONE CHRISTIAN HAS EVER EXPRESSED PROBLEMS WITH SUCH IDEAS! NOT ONE!
The universal fact that I cannot get something from nothing should end all arguments for the existence of a creator.God is all that is.
Why do you think nothing can exist, and if it does, how could anything else exist that obviously does? Universe is not empty, it's only a way we see quantum force fields. Idea itself is a nothing, it came from material head and will vanish from existence after a person is gone. So, what is an idea?
Right
@@xspotbox4400 I'm fine with denying "nothing" can exist, but what would you say MUST exist instead of nothing?
@Trevelle Alexander
"The universal fact that I cannot get something from nothing"
So... by your own admission then, your god could not have created the universe from nothing! Or are you committing the fallacy of special (magical) pleading?
There would have to be something there already then?
The only thing you have to do now is prove that your invisible god-friend exists.
But as we know theism has failed at this forever. It just blabbers fallacies, makes empty promises, and utters vile threats.
We are again at an impasse.
By the way... how do you know there ever was nothing? Science doesn't know that, and never said so. For all we know there can never be absolute nothing. If you think it over, there ever "being" absolute nothing makes no logical sense at all.
Well I was going to comment but the more he said the less intelligent he became. There wasn’t just one thing he said wrong, it was pretty much everything. A decent response to so much nonsense would take too long in this format.
Ridley Scott already explained this in Prometheus: Life was created by the Engineers. And the Engineers were created by Ridley Scott
"did you make us first, after we made you?" - andy partridge
KEvron
if Bill Gates made Windows ,
if Steve Jobs , Steve Wozniak made Apple Computers
if engineers made AI and robots …
so who made us (biological robots)
@@dongshengdi773
your question assumes that someone made us. it also assumes that makers must, themselves, be made by a maker, which turns your question back on itself.
KEvron
Raised by Wolves.....
I would push back on one point. It's the notion religion is the cause of wars. Religion is more like an excuse. It's one amongst many. This includes race, class, nationality, cultural identity, human ego, aggression, economics, geopolitical and resource competition, group identity, ... We live in a largely scientific, secularist age. This has not saved us from wars.
He said we’re heading to get all the answers but will never be there
Superb.
Everybody gangsta against God till sh*t hits the fan in their lives...
Funny that if you child is sick, you take him to a hospital where you expect doctors to use SCIENCE to cure him????? What gives?
I don't see any incongruence between the existance of God and Science.
What a sad era when it's easier to smash an atom than a prejudice- Albert Einstein.
Einstein was racist
@@dimaniak They say Edison was too
scientific method makes it even harder. You occasionally get correct formula from incorrect assumption and then say that you are right (just like Einstein did himself)
@@matterasmachine Yes, Religion is a much better method. You just burn the ones who disagree with you, and send them to your god ahead of time.
@@andreasplosky8516 I think Hitler burned more people in the name of evolutionary eugenics
Question..do the 3 popes pray to the same god...or do they pray to 3 separate dieties...
Schism...and also 3 colored robed alike.....
Red, white, black
The world is in turmoil because of human pathology.
Contrast must maintain but why immense dosages, Dostevesky asked promptly...
Carl Sagan was quoted as saying that " God is a reassuring fable"
So how do you explain the origin of our universe, Mike?
@@20july1944 I think we'll have to wait many more years until science has the tools to figure that out.
Yet never did I hear Jesus Christ say anything about religion, he said that he is the way. So then therefore how aren't those man-made wars? Jesus said about getting close to the time you'll hear of wars and rumors of wars.
There are no copies of the original transcripts. No copies of the copies of the original transcripts. Not even in the original language. Gospels written by unknown authors. Who knows what was actually said?
@@cps_Zen_Run These are also proverbs of Solomon, which the men of Hezekiah king of Judah copied out. It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: But the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:1-2 KJV
You heard Jesus Christ say something?
@@mikel5582 you know there's Bibles with red letters in them which are the words of Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ also spoke my sheep know my voice and they will hear my voice.
Park is very wrong--we are not "even close" to figuring it all out--the more we see, the more questions we have--the bigger the numbers, the greater the mystery.. The scientists keeping growing the universe to keep the "observations" that we already have, in doubt.. Park seems like a nice Man, he appears to be some what rational, yet vacant in his overall philosophy. The facts are, that there is an inexplicable fine tuning in the universe that science cannot explain.. So then they created quantum mechanics which in fact cannot even be explained or proven--then string theory was added to the mix and all that happened was that they philosophically created more dimensions and even MORE questions--and string theory can't be proven--period.. I find the position of the atheists to be nothing more than elitist in nature as they put themselves "above'' the facts--because the facts are, that science CANNOT explain in finality their own propositions--their answer is "we will re-write the books as the facts come in but we will take a firm stance on what we have".. almost laughable to take a firm position without a full explanation/equation and a conclusive final theory.. When pushed for definitive proof, they blame all the problems in the world on GOD instead of talking about all the beauty and the good in life--they don't even consider an either/or approach, they just give a sour note on certain parts of mankind and selective events of history, instead of a full summary.. God/Higher Power to the scientist isn't acceptable if they haven't personally been tapped on the shoulder for a one on one conversation with God and asked for advice.. I appreciate the dialogue but I find the conclusions to be unacceptable.
Really very well said 👏
we can observe more and more of nature and there is still no shred of evidence of an "intelligent power" behind it all
@@rckflmg94 conversely, there isn't a shred of evidence that string theory or quantum math or anything less than the unexplained math of fine tuning caused everything biological--the more we see, the greater the mystery! you are in NO position through science or math to argue against a Higher Power or a God.
@@evanjameson5437 why would your "higher power" allow children to suffer and die young? Oh yeah, He is mysterious! Lol
@@rckflmg94 laughable retort--you focus only on the bad not all the good..there is endless majesty on our planet and through out the Universe..Why are there people who suffer or on a grander scheme black holes that eat up galaxies--so what? It's all just part of the the total creation and if it w reason for the creatifirst place..
Anyway, great work Robert! I am enjoying your exploration for the truth!
Disappointing conversation at the level of new atheists.
*"Disappointing conversation at the level of new atheists."*
...What is a "New Atheist?" Has "the non-belief in any god or gods" definition changed?
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC It is not just about gods no more. A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think. It became prettymuch a ultra right wing idiology.
@@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC Just like religion …
Yes, every Atheist has his own definition of a god that He Does not believe in.
like Buddhists who believe in the existence of life after death , or the existence of a Spirit ,
like the Atheist Sam Harris who believes in spiritual enlightenment but a Spirit that dies together with the body .
like atheists who didn't believe in God because they believed that the universe is infinite or fixed state.
But now that Big Bang has been proven , they have changed their definition of god that excludes the initiator of the Big Bang .
there are countless more …
@@dongshengdi773 Your logic is tautological. Of course a concept needs to be defined before a person can decide if he thinks it to be true or false.
Just to be clear, I'm referring to objective reasoning here, not feelings.
@@fortynine3225 *"A modern atheist is convinced that matter is all there is. All you are is a piece of meat with the ability to think."*
....Isn't that the same way that "old atheists" thought as well? Again, what is the difference?
If we are in a simulation, the code tells us to believe in god . Would be considered rogue code if we questioned ?
If we're in a simulation, it is ultimately God's simulation -- so it doesn't matter much. I'm fine with us being in a simulation.
You were born an Atheist. When it comes to other religions besides your own, you are an Atheist - so it is the reverse - the code actually says there is no God
How far is past and future.
Presented.
Creation...is just like how I view dimensions..... creation...comes from a single angle of light , then application of mathematics cultivate from shadows and shades of the angles of light....now the question is....cognitive animation....we know forces bring animmation...motion to matter..objects....but what bring living concioys thought behavior......God? The mind? Do you govern your mind or does a God govern your mind......
Personally I think God is fundamental. Perhaps I'm making a semantic argument but, whatever is fundamental, by default, is God, no? He makes a good point, the idea of this human-God is there to be abused or to manipulate.
There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy & Santa
How is God fundamental? Yet we have no evidence of such a being?
@@ramaraksha01 As I said, the argument becomes semantic. What do you call everything? I call it God.
@@futuregenerationz That is the Brahman in Hinduism - but Brahman is unintelligent, not alive! Are you comfortable with such a "being"? There are no magic men, of course, no "Gods" as such though there are Hindu Gods - the Buddha was one
If you don't believe that he's intervening right now but still letting you breathe with mercy and Grace ,and to even intervene on people to soften hearts, if you choose to listen, or you can choose to close off your ear and harden your heart.
No evidence for your assertions, your statements are also indicative of self reinforcing delusions, the most primitive and childish cognitive errors a person can make.
where is the (specific clear) evidence that we are "messing up the atmosphere"?
Have you ever heard of something called 'smog'?
When I said I was agnostic, people thought I still had some gullibility left. I have none. That’s someone who understand the concept of god and has no reason for it.
You’re no better for not understanding something
@@pabloespinosa1246 we live in an era where people define the world by their ignorance and are proud of it...
@@pabloespinosa1246 I have forgotten more than you will ever know.
@@anthonycraig274 What is your explanation for the origin of the universe?
@@20july1944 I don’t know, nobody does. Who say they know is a liar.
God bless.
You guys need to look into dispensations, because there is a first coming ,and a second coming ,the first coming is the suffering servant like Jesus Christ ,and then the second coming ,you would rather be coming with him, than see him coming, unless you're a Jew or endured to the end, and did not take the mark, nor worship the beast or its image.
I've come to similar conclusions.
If it goes to an all out fight, though.
I think his frustration answers why he doesn't think God is real
Men desire darkness rather than light hence the need for this form of idle entertainment.
Universe is awfully dark, maybe that’s are truer form.
Everything can be explained given time, explaining is not the truth to the one who caused
I can explain does not mean I should take credit for making it too.
Wow, that was aggressive
The Einstein INCH equation is Closer to the Truth 😏
We are hardwired to believe in a higher power...........
According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts,123, or 6.98%, had religion as their primary cause.
Yes, the old over-statement that conveniently omits the 20th century. Lol
Would it be more accurate to say that greed, power, lust, revenge etc is more of a cause that religion.
So what? Is that evidence against God? I don't think so.
@@richardc861 yes, very true. But atheists think humans are pure and innocent until religion puts the evil into them. Very wrong indeed
@@RAMnnn1892 Mic drop!
By claiming that science is "taking us closer" to explaining everything presupposes a belief in a telos, thus purpose to existence.
Thats an assumption on your part that there is a purpose. OK. Question. What is the purpose? In your calculation, include over 7 million children under 5 dies who each year.
@@anthonycraig274 I've learned from the iron-clad logic of some commenters in these videos that those kids used their free will to choose the path of evil over righteousness; so our all-loving creator punished their short lives with immeasurable suffering.
And, of course, the story wouldn't be complete without adding that those commenters, by virtue of their own unimpeachable moral superiority, have chosen the path of righteousness and have therefore earned the favor of the creator.
@@mikel5582 Sorry, you have thrown a curve ball. You think a comment is evil when your bible said that slavery was OK, not only it was OK, but for slaves must obey their masters as they would their god. And you have the gall to call others evil. 😂 give me a break.
@@anthonycraig274 Yikes! Reread for sarcasm (or maybe I'm missing yours?).
I wouldn't agree that the ability to approximate explaining everything presupposes a telos.
I'm a Christian and thus a theist and I DO believe in a telos, but I wouldn't use that argument.
For an Atheist this guy surely likes to keep bringing up god in a science channel. It’s tiring.
He is no Atheist - just another highly educated but religious nut
Dear Robert Park, can a paper clip can come into existence on its own?
A clip, to clip what, who could have any usage for such item?
We probably made the first paperclips
@@pabloespinosa1246 _"We probably made the first paperclips "_
Question is whether or not a paper-clip can come into existence by its own, answer is no.
If then intellect only can come from intellectual being, the God is the infinite Intellectual Being.
Please keep the standard of this series. Did not gain anything from this interview.
Agreed, this was vacuous.
Yes, there is an argument against God. Billions of people think that the almighty God is HERE NOW. But this is impossible. The problem is that God is supposed to KNOW THE ACTUAL FUTURE. You could maybe have some hypothetical futures, but ONLY ONE WILL ACTUALLY COME TRUE. Well, God is supposed to know THAT ONE FUTURE. This seems to be a good thing, but it's exactly the opposite. Since that ONE future known to God is the ACTUAL one, the one that will REALLY come true, (God cannot make any errors), then God must JUST STARE and let IT UNFOLD exactly like it is, NOTHING CAN BE TOUCHED: God could not even slightly change the weather of tomorrow. GOD in other words would be like "BLOCKED". Even worse, God would be obliged to EXACTLY TAKE THE GOD'S ACTIONS included in that known ONE future: also his own actions would be absolutely unchangeable. What is the solution to this problem? When God knew the whole future He simply COMMANDED his power "SO IT SHALL BE (but without me)". That's all. By doing so, God avoided LATER OBLIGATIONS to PERSONALLY and EXACTLY take all the God's actions set out in that WELL-DETERMINED future. Thus, God got immediately free from any further obligations.This means that the God's actions are taken here now by NOBODY, this is why God is meant to be just a "spirit".
Believe in God helps people find Pease. If you take that away, what will you offer instead? So true or not, God is useful. Rulers always find a way to make wars, with God or without God. God is as big as it fits in your head.
that's a load of crap. people need to find meaning and joy for themselves and stop clinging to an imaginary security blanket
Good lock. do you know why most profits were Sheppard? They learned people act like sheep, even today, cave rules apply to economy and human behavior. You remove god from people, they will find another even worst.
@@Alex-dw9im modern, secular societies function quite orderly and peacefully without constructs like "god"
I like that point of the science books being totally OK and have been rewritten and revised so Manu times.
Science self corrects. Theism takes 100 years to even admit being wrong.
It's odd that you find that to be a flaw. I'm more curious how you're getting a network connection on your stone tablet in your cave.
Science is all about collecting what folks in science considers to be facts. Anything beyond that they are in denial about. In christiany it is al about the sciptures. Anything beyond that they are in....
@@fortynine3225 Wrong. Science makes observations and uses reasoning to draw conclusions. Those conclusions, and even the observations themselves, might be incorrect; but the track record seems pretty good so far. The technology you're using to post your incorrect assertions, the medical care you receive, the transportation you use, etc., etc. all result from the application of scientifically-obtained information.
Based on your "logic", we should give equal credence to anything anybody dreams up since we can't trust observation and reason to separate the wheat from the chaff. Thanks for that remarkable insight.
@@mikel5582 You are wrong yourself since my statement is 100% correct.
Not-So-Close to the Truth and Robert Parks, you're NOT gullible. No way! You're way too "smart" to be gullible. And you're NOT deluded either. You're both so HUMBLE. Do you believe me? LOL
Let's assume that God intervenes in the basic transformations of matter into life like the valence of atoms to form molecules. She must have a reason for making the first living cells and then waiting millions of years to take the next step. Along the hesitant journey, God makes all kind of things. If there is little oxygen, She makes anaerobic critters but if there is plenty of oxygen, then aerobic beings. But what a minute! Who sets oxygen levels? It must be God also. If we are to conclude that God being God controls all the levers of the universe, then why She did not make humans from the beginning? Assuming that there is an explanation, why such a powerful being would be annoyed by the type of movies I watch?
You're not supposed to ask questions Carlos. Just be blindly obedient to the beliefs of people whose unshakable faith requires your faith as well.
These people really don't care for God but what comes with such a belief - an eternal life of ease & comfort
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies, not doing a lick of work, live a life of ease & comfort
Such a life is what is promised for eternity!
Every time I have asked - what does one DO in heaven? Why would a super being need anything to get done? Theists run away from such a question!
What is shocking is to see even the highly educated NEVER ASK SUCH QUESTIONS! NOT ONCE! THIS INTERVIEWER WILL ASK ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS BUT NEVER SUCH QUESTIONS THAT WILL MAKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE UNCOMFORTABLE
Like what is the point of such a "life" - a lazy, idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity!
Meanwhile their loved ones down on earth could be facing terrible times - sickness, poverty, hunger, homelessness, war, pestilence - but again NOT ONE EDUCATED PERSON WILL ASK ABOUT THEM!
Tell me - how many times have you heard of the question - Will I see my loved ones again in heaven?
BUT NOT ONCE THE QUESTION I POSED ABOUT THE LOVED ONES DOWN ON EARTH!
Why? Because religious people are more than happy to talk about the dead loved ones being very, very happy and comfortable and guess what, you will be joining them too! how wonderful!
Questions about loved ones starving down on earth while the dead people enjoying a party in heaven doesn't go so well
THE EDUCATED, THE MEDIA & THE MORAL - ARE ALL IN THIS - PERPETUATE THESE FANTASIES
Neither have shown that either have reached the standard. Because believing that God does not exist is a massive conclusion about reality and thus a high standard of belief should be set. Moreover, if one does not want there to be a Creator (remember cause and effect? Science?) then it is critical to be certain one is not deluded. So far, your reasoning exposes your delusion. Peace
They really don't care for God - what they want is the afterlife of a life of ease & comfort
Like the life that prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here, shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies
That is how they view God - their rich Sugar Daddy who will keep them in cozy comfort - keep them in a bubble away from facing the big bad REAL WORLD!
Believing there is no God is no different to Believing we don't actually exist......yet we are here🤔. The concept of what God is and our desire to destroy ourselves isn't the fault of our creator but ourselves.
That makes no sense. Please explain
@@AlejandroFernandez05 If you believe there is no God then you and everything can't exist, everything was created or nothing would exist. The question is who was the creator of everything or did everything create itself?.
More people have died over religion than any other cause but who directly told people to kill?, our creators direct words or MEN who claimed to be divine?. Men have done the complete opposite of what most religions teach but claim to act in accordance with their faith?.
The transatlantic slave trade is an excellent example of supposedly CHRISTIAN countries and religious institutions (Church of England and the Vatican) willingly participating in acts of evil but they claimed to be subjects of God and the faithful????. The Church of England believes Queen Elizabeth is mankind's direct link to God???......where in any Holy Scriptures is that written?. John 8:32 "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". What is the truth.
@@equinox95 why are you assuming that there has to be a god in order for the universe to exist?
If everything has to be created, then god had to be created.
If god didn’t have to be created, the same could apply to the universe
@@AlejandroFernandez05 God wasn't created, nothing existed before God, only God itself. We have cars, phones, houses, planes, ships and every manufacturered goods you can think of. If those goods were never designed and made would they still exist?.
We have DNA that has a Pacific sequence that results in us or any other living lifeforms that have their own sequence that's results in them. Who designed the DNA or was it random. DNA structure has been compared to computer coding.....who designed the code as code cannot design itself without external input.
@@equinox95 again assuming things you don’t know. What’s the point of making things up
It seems to me our universe operates on cause and effect. God must be outside our universe, maybe infinite. your thought are appreciated.
What do you mean by causality, how do we know that principle is a universal truth?
@@xspotbox4400 I would say causality is universal unless you have specific contrary evidence. The logic of causality is plain.
I have one - THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR ANY SUCH BEING!
These two have a very limited understanding of the capacity that God might have. I think they're arguing a very narrow band of low level evangelical belief in which God is a finite entity operating within and infinite universe and the silly notion that man is made in the image of God as a biological creature. True understanding is that God knows everything, is everywhere at once, and has control of everything at once. This implies that God is everything (information), so God is The Infinite. If God is the universe, then that means that we are just small sub entities operating within that framework. So in a manner of speaking we are just a small piece of God as well, in that sense we would be made in Gods image.
Why stop here, we can go much deeper than that. There's that thing called intelligent self awareness, it is like electricity, but not only a force. Once we have this aetherical entity, the spirit itself can make molecules move and design whatever material body it likes.
Obviously we're made in God's image, everybody must wear nice and clean clothes in public.
just ignore the millions of innocent people who die in pain every year. nothing to see here. "praise God" Haha
@@rckflmg94 Who said praise God? See you are projecting your own limited understanding of what you think God might mean to me, and in doing so you are assuming that God has to think and feel like you. IMO that's a little narcissistic.
@@travsb1984 instead of accusing me of being "narcissistic" why don't you provide some evidence to support your grandiose claim that "God is the universe" and "God is The Infinite" and "we are a small piece of God" whatever the heck those statements are supposed to mean.
"the theory of evolution works so well" ... And something that work so well is up by chance ? Pure randomness (because if your remove an higher consciousness only randomness is still on the table) created evolution by chance ? It's like he start always a step too late, like many materialists anyway...
Evolution involves both Randomness and also design through Consciousness.
For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage.
Evolution of mimicry.
it is clearly NOT Random.
All of his answers Are wrong because its premise is that religion Does not answer His Questions.
most religious people believe that there is No conflict between science and religion because they complement each other . Science answers the how and religion answers the why.
@@dongshengdi773
Please give some examples of this “Why Answers”..!
...I have yet to hear of one....
Ultimately; the only truth is “Scarcity”...
...Belief in this so called Ultimate Consciousness” does change
“Scarcity”...
...therefore it is useless..!
"Pure randomness"
You do not understand the theory of biological evolution at all. The theory of biological evolution is so surprising and magnificent BECAUSE it shows us many kinds of proof for the fact that evolution is NOT pure random.
@@dongshengdi773 "For Example, an animal wishes to look like a Plant for camouflage , and vice versa , a Plant wishes to look like an insect for camouflage. "
No that is not how biological evolution works at all. I can not believe you are saying this.
I have a huge problem with how you formulate this. The term "WISHES" is absurd in this context.
Have you ever studied evolution? I have an entire library of more than 80 books on the subject.
No textbook, or paper will ever say something like that.
@@andreasplosky8516 you are missing it my dear. You have to take a step back... The pure randomness is about the fact that "biological evolution" exist. Why in an universe that for a materialist exist by random chance have to include "biological evolution" ??????? They got it from the box of "create your random universe" ??
great arguments, i love the fact we can ask ourselves these questions
It is very sad to listen to a old person and a scientist with no wisdom. We can understand from its words that he wanted an utility God, someone to be at his service. To believe that science will solve all our problems when science is the main guilty of destruction of our planet is really ridiculous. All said by a man that worked in science to build weapons.
Very very true
His argument wasn't particularly well-presented or supported but where did he say science will solve all of our problems? Your argument seems to be a strawman.
@@mikel5582 He asserts that verbatim at 7:36
Roger argument show hin hasnt Scientif hipotesy in agnostic. When he says God Not exist otherwise GOD exist, is tautoligy. Contradict hinself .Weird old nerd.
Where's the proof that people are getting closer to finding anything out.im not taking some person's word on anything.people don't know as much as they put on.
God is nature nature is god , these are nouns not worth quibbling over.
God is not an entity. God is existance itself. God is All that IS. The question "Does God exist?" is illogical since it translates to "Does existance exist?" Creation and evolution are both aspects of existance.
One cannot in truth be an atheist. The prefix "a" negates "theist" and denotes a complete knowledge - that one knows there is no God. One cannot know that. Here's a simple experiment to prove this: take a piece of paper and place a bubble on it that indicates your personal knowledge in relation to the universe. Most people put a dot, one guy thought he was smart and drew a circle. Now, place a dot anywhere outside your mark which represents knowledge you do not have and the knowledge of God must be included. So unless you possess all knowledge you cannot be certain God does not exist
Knowledge is only what you know, not what you don't know. You started with a wrong premise, by saying to know anything is normal and can be scaled, it is not. The very existence of a useful knowledge and a model leading to understanding is the reason why we understand there's no need for supernatural and divine.
DNA from were
complexity of a cell these r not explained n I don't see how evolution can explain them
I hope not to offend anyone but I think something is happening during all of your videos that detracts for the intended purpose. I am sure you are trying to communicate ideas but there is a very big distraction. It is the camera work. The camera person is part of every video you make. The are constantly moving and zooming in and out. It is very distracting. Sometimes they zoom in like a point is going to be made but it turns out it is just another random camera movement. I am not a Director or even someone who likes to take a picture of anything but I am someone who is trying to understand your conversations. It is an almost impossible task doing so because I am on a Virtual camera ride of the immediate surroundings with the videographer.
Why does political government try to act and behave like what people understand God to be?
If you search for a study "The amoral atheist? A cross-national examination" you'll find that atheist have very similar moral compass as believers (I could say better, because it cannot be tainted by sometimes obstinate teachings of some pastor or priest). So the argument at the end, that science cannot exist without religion moral guidance is silly. We actually have more problems on the global scale because of religion and it's infallibility.
I don't want to sound as a fighting atheist, but religion is often a cause of war, hampers education and trust in science. Spirituality is a core human impulse for some, but should stay "private" and not interfere with societal and scientific progress.
similar moral compass as believers? wow! what have you been drinking?
Are we talking the same people who mass murdered innocents for not sharing their beliefs?
Native Americans, Mayans & so many more - tortured, brutalized & killed till they gave up their way of life?
Even to this day threaten people with hell unless they believe?
Billions will be set apart - Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists - old people, children, even babies, pregnant women - will all be dumped into gas chambers in hell?
Just the same as Jews faced under Nazi Germany?
These are moral people? Where do you see any morality?
Honestly, has religion brainwashed even Atheists?
And how does one get Heaven? You can't earn it - you get it, why, the same way as you get things done in Corrupt/Communist countries - know the right people and get ahead!
These religions are corrupt!
Again how dense are Atheists?
and evolution is the process of infinite world creation by god
Science has not answered most of the Big questions in nature because Science has limitations to what it can do. Professor of Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University, mathematician, broadcaster and author Marcus du Sautoy in his book, . He took over this position from atheist Richard Dawkins in 2008.
Scientific model doesn't need to explain everything, only what is obvious and present in the reality of every human.
@@xspotbox4400 Same thing with religion. it is not supposed to answer why the Battery's electrical energy is used up .
RELIGION IS NOT FICTION:
Religion teaches Morality and Spirituality , they are not fiction . They are called moral and religious truths . There are also many theologians (Religious Studies) who earn Phd's just like other sciences. Science and Religion-Spirituality are philosophies on both sides of the same COIN. (The old name of Science was the Philosophy of Nature, and when you get a PhD degree in Physics or whatever field of study, it means Doctor of Philosophy.) … …
Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.
@@dongshengdi773 It's not that simple.
Religions are organized around ideas, and ideology is a fiction.
Ideology makes many people seriously believe the worst nonsense, hurt others and themselves, because they really became like that. They don't fake their insanity, ideology actually makes them go crazy. Could be from many reasons, like tough childhood or tragic accidents, but most of the time they became fanatics because they love the power of the herd. They enjoy the church, just like people who get their kicks on a rock concert, except they usually understand the concert is only for a show.
Ideology can't produce good, ethical and rational individuals. Every monster can say for himself, he is the man of God. The only way to know who is who, comes with experiences trough socialization. But every so often, corrupt individuals support each other and gang against the rest of the community. It doesn't need to be religion, every isolated society is receptive to mass hysteria, populism, tribalism...
Then entire communities get force to comfort with a group, their voices are silenced, reasoning about daily stuff becomes impossible, until lies and nonsense completely take over their culture.
What can you do, when logic and objective facts are not enough, most presumably good people are not fighters and don't want to resort to any form of violence or rage. And they're not so good if they can watch innocent individuals suffer injustice and pain, caused by lunatics on power.
I'd love to hear some reason to believe in gods.
Faith doesn't exist for me.
faith and believing to a possibility are two different things btw. At the end one have to chose between only two options. And both require a leap of faith or a logic conclusion to support one option more.
Let's stick to science. Has something always existed, in your view?
Militantly agnostic here. I don't know and I know that you don't either. The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing, and the constraints of the universe being bound by precise numerical values, which changing the values breaks the ability of the universe to exist. Looks like a plan. Looks like it went wrong. So not omniscient, or just not caring about what happens? If there is a BIG consciousness, then we are probably a small fragment of that. Just out here doing anything to keep from being driven insane.
*"The thing that gets me into creator ideas is that there is anything instead of nothing..."* ... Why does it have to be an *either/or* situation? Maybe Nonexistence and Existence, Something and Nothing, Positive and Negative, and *0* and *1* are as rudimentary as consciousness allows you to conceive?
The 'something rather than nothing' argument just kicks the can down the road. If the mere presence of something requires a creator then the next obvious question is, what created the creator?
I also don't agree that a universe couldn't exist if the physical constants were different than they are as we understand them. It would certainly be different but not necessarily impossible. A question that _is_ interesting (i.m.o.) is 'how did those constants come to be'? I think we'll eventually crack the "matter from non-matter" challenge and we'll do so through our understanding of physical laws, but the question of where those laws came from will remain.
Bob! you are a creator, for sure, each one of you is one, and you will end with the one you love: for those who love light, they will end with light, those who love AI aka Satan, they will end with him, and those who are not decided yet, well, you will be given more time to figure it out! It is very simple in fact.
From the religion has mass murdered more people than all other religions put together
Condemn innocent people to hell unless we believe as you do
Billions of Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists will be set apart like Jews under Hitler and dumped into gas chambers in hell!
God seen as the ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort
Live like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - they too "love" their sugar Daddy, sing his praises
Sounds familiar?
You can't live in fantasies - you have to live in the REAL WORLD that God created for us
God made this world, this earth, gave us this life
Life is a Gift from God
God is not a ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort - God is no Sugar Daddy keeping billions of prostitutes/leeches in cozy comfort for eternity
THIS IS IT! THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD! THIS ONE!
Metaphysics
Good (god) is the exact opposite of "greed" and it's ignorance (hate).
Question. Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love their neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"?
Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires (greed).
God is within us. Trying to prove a God concept that is outside is bound to fail.
"Trying to prove a God concept that is outside is bound to fail"
That is most likely because it is a nonsensical claim.
"God is within us."
You would need to prove that claim too.
He sure has a lot of confidence in the theory of evolution!
because evolution has universities full of evidence. Every biologist takes evolution into account when explaining biological phenomena or fighting against pathogens.
The way i see it, there are only two problems modern science must resolve before we can abandon all gods once and for all.
Why do we see the entire history of the universe in the light coming to us from a past, and what is that substance we can experience as real, hard and solid stuff in our dreams?
Because if there's a mechanism in physics that can define the very essence of what God is, then this is not a question of yes or no anymore, but we have a serious problem that calls for a completely new approach.
How can't God be relenting, forgiving, merciful, and graceful? And yes the Bible is locked in it is stated about an early chastisement proverbs 13:24 and the fact that he'll give you over to your choices look how he gave Pharaoh over to his hard heart. And since this Earth has a curse in the word that is locked in in the book of Revelation chapter 21 the new heaven and the new Earth for the first Earth in the first heaven have passed away jump down to verse 5 and Jesus says behold I make all things new. And with faith in Jesus you can be made new.
Religion is to God what education is to knowledge. But with that being said you’re supposed to suffer in this life to teach you about overcoming. What would be the use of an afterlife if everything was perfect in this one ? As far as evolution and Darwin I think it takes a little more so-called science to just say that because everything looks similar they must’ve come from the same species . Or that we are all designed to overcome our very design and change into something else- all on our own. That our design is designed with a self-destruction sequence to change species. But you don’t have to believe in the concept of God, just believe in the future, believe in hope for the future, and that’s basically believing in a God without a name or a concept
@Donza Thompson
Do you believe the God who created this infinite universe subject mercy and salvation upon crime against humanity in the killing blameless Jesus(pbuh) ? As you know not killing Jesus means there isn't a "salvation" waiting for Christians.
Killing Jesus was a good thing or bad thing?
@@rizwanrafeek3811 Like I said before, religion is to God what education is to knowledge. I don’t know what that being of Light is or even if Jesus existed, but from what I’ve heard from people who seen the other side -it is real . Also I believe the eternity of time reduces good and evil to simply His pragmatism. But if I could get more specific, I think that God and eternity is a real place yet it exists as an eternal extension of our beliefs and expectations. The heaven we believe in already exists in our timeless minds
@@MrSanford65 I am a Muslim by faith. So i am not disputing with you your very post on this thread or whether or not God exists.
So please read through my post above and answer my questions kindly.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 I think the killing of Jesus was a planned sacrifice. According to the doctrine , Innocent blood needed to be shed Because only that which is most pure and innocent has room left to absorb the sins of the entire mankind
@@MrSanford65 _"which is most pure and innocent has room left to absorb the sins of the entire mankind "_
You believe in this?
This is the meaning of freewill,on your brain's faculties,there is one area,that knowing is innately proportioned to realities,but you have to search for this area and know that specifics of reasons to everyone or every existence, is the coexistence on the universal consciousness,whenever you have reach the connective alignments of infinitum continuum boundedness that Perfection is ruling,you will know that Life is connected with WISDOM'S reaches, therefore,pros to cons,the CREATOR'S ingenuity reigns and knowing the unknown would be an adventure,that one lifetime to other lifetimes are gestures of perfection and GOD is the only one that has Time and Time meridians and Time variants, therefore galaxies are naturally linked, to our own totalities and innately only by GRACE we can succeed.
What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. Studying phisiology and anatomy is astonishing. Our immunity system, brain, genes and so on... I agree that Darwin theory is wonderful and makes a lot of sense, but the fact that it happened to different criatures dying, borning, dying, borning makes everything harder to "save" these changes on the genes.
I strongly believe our only chance to find answer during our lifetime is to meet another advanced civilization which might know more than us...
"What keeps me suspecting that god may exist is the complexity of human body. "
What makes me know for sure that there is no such thing as a sentient creator, are the many debilitating errors in biological beings, including humans.
If there was a god he had to be the biggest moron in the universe.
@@andreasplosky8516 I also think about it! Some people say you start to believe in god when you study physiology and stop when you study pathology...
@@leopereirafilho1456 Well said. I am going to remember that line.
The appendix ?
You’d only call the advanced aliens atheists.
Evolution happened, but the science says that Darwin's "Tree if Life" concept is dead. So the mechanism of evolution was not random mutation and survival of the strongest. If mutations were NOT random, then... Huston, we have oportunity! :)
The Bible isn’t ”locket in”. This does not have to be true. Neither is the Interpretation of the Bible, as it can be moved around. It’s a BIAS that cause some former Bible readers to choose atheism.
I wish these talks were dated.
Vedas have given solution to this problem 5000 years ago.
There is no fool like an old fool.
🤣🤣
It takes one to know one. 😝
(just following your argumentum ad hominem approach....)
It's interesting that in recent years and decades, the implication has become that the world has so many problems because of God and the salvation of the world is in the hands of humans.
God is not the problem - it is the idea that we can run away to pleasure land in the sky and religions use that carrot - eternal life of pleasure is yours but wait, only if you believe in "OUR" God. God is like Putin, any tin-pot Dictator demanding loyalty & obedience and rewarding/punishing accordingly
Supporters of Putin, knowing that as long as he remains in power, they get the good life have raped, tortured and killed any threats to him
And we see religious people doing the same - Islamic countries are the worst - killing people if they "insult" their God! Christians freely use threats of hell if you don't believe as they do
What is amazing is that the very same educated, media & moral person who thinks Putin and his supporters are evil will gladly join issuing threats of hell or will completely ignore it!
God is not divorced from science or reality. God knows the Einstein Rosen bridge equation. We will get the equation when we earn it and God knows we won't just fling garbage at it. Lchaim
There has always been a god-shaped whole in our understanding. Simply because the concept is amorphous.
If two people walk up to a door they have never been through and person A. Says, "I don't know what's behind the door." And person B. Says "I know what's behind the door." Who is right?
Science says about the unanswered questions "we don't know" and religion says "it's God". Who is right?
We DO know this, for sure: it is a mathematical fact that religion is usually wrong, since no one religion has constituted a majority. And they all disagree.
Factually either almost all religion is false or all of it is. Uncertainty about reality is not proof. Certainty about your viewpoint is also not. These seem to be the two categories of data.
There just isn't a compelling reason to believe. There are numerous reasons not to.
The God of the gaps is the only God there has ever been as far as I can see.
Reason why belief is stressed so much - take a long time ago some guy started spouting off about God, magic, miracle people being miraclelly healed, wonderful land of oz after death etc etc of course all this works until some smart guy asks for evidence. What a party poop!
And so all the good stuff will happen only if you believe!
Only the believers will get heaven!
Of course the guy asking for evidence is kicked out of the room and now the guy has eager listeners and supporters
Gain enough numbers and now you can go after the guy asking for evidence - labelled a heretic, Satan worshipper - he can be tortured and killed!
Still happening sadly in the 21st century
So many educated are the believers that's the problem
@@ramaraksha01 my other observation is that the propensity for miracles is adversely related to the quality of the recording equipment. Nobody seems to walk on water when everyone has an iphone in their pocket. Just sayin'
@@MelFinehout These magic, miracle ideas appeal to the weak, the lazy & the coward - get things done without doing any work! Just say abracadabra and bingo it's done!
As Children we are weak, unable to understand how things get done and so we put in magic & miracle, unfortunately the weak continue to believe in such tales even as adults
And religions are more than happy to exploit this weakness - magic man did this, did that - all he wants you to do is believe in him & support him & no other, of course, he will be pleased & GIVE you eternal pleasures of the flesh!
Amazingly not even the brightest are able to see a Putin, a Saddam who reward their loyal followers and supporters and abuse the rest!
These same brightest call Putin & his supporters evil, disgusting yet once brainwashed by religion, behave EXACTLY the same way!
Amazing, simply amazing!
7:08 I'd never heard that joke before. I love it.
Any theist argument that utilizes the notion that the unlikely chain of events that resulted in our existence proves the existence
of God demonstrates the weakness of this notion. We have obviously learned a great deal about the cosmology, chemistry, and biology. But no responsible thinker could possibly believe that we know everything . This universe we dwell in is indescribably vast and complex...we happen to be fortunate to evolve under a set of conditions that resulted in our existence. To believe that this could only happen once is completely unsupportable.
If belief in God(s) makes you feel better, then please do so.
It would certainly be handy if somebody else was running the show, but that doesn't prove anything.
Trying to understand and explain God using human's mind...
Although our human minds are inadequate, they are all we have to address this vital question.
You're confusing God with Religion, two different things. By the way , what we named god is not a he.
NTS grt/100
Soco na cara cada argumento.
So when science discoveres more and more, it's very easy to "hijack" it all and say "God is great, look at evolution for example. God did it". There's just no end to the religious claims
God gave you free will so that you could write that. He knew that you'd write that because he knows everything, but you could have written whatever you wanted to; even though he knew what you'd write.
Moral of the story: don't try to find logic in the illogical.
@@mikel5582 so... I'm talking about science and you talk about a delusion. A make belief figure, and you're telling me I'm illogical?
@@heavymeddle28 My goodness, does nobody on CZcams get sarcasm?
Even without the sarcasm nothing was said about _your_ logic.
@@mikel5582 I can see that I was wrong about your comment. Apologies to you. Woke up 3am and wasn't really properly awake. My bad
@@heavymeddle28 No worries. I may have stretched too far mocking god and free will in one joke. 🙂
How does evolution explain life?
Perhaps consciousness created the universe and in our little area, it created the solar system and in turn earth. On earth it then created a rocky, lava world which then turned into plant life and animals, then dinosaurs, then humans (US) and then after us, something else and after that thing, something else after that.
Firstly it isn't just evolution. There is more than one theory of evolution. It is similar when one says God, because the first question one should ask whenever God is mentioned is which God? Evolution is similar, because the first question one should ask when evolution is mentioned is which evolutionary theory? Generally speaking, when one mentions evolution they mean Natural Selection, but it is best to be specific. What Natural Selection explains is complexity, most importantly complexity from simplicity. When one looks at Stonehenge, or the pyramids, or a catapult, or a birds nest, or a beaver dam... The first thing Homo sapiens assume is that these structures were built by something more complex than the structure itself. This is how the notion of God began in the first place. Homo sapiens argued that if a tree or a wolf or any life exists, something more complex than the life form itself must have created it. This theory lasted until the 19th century C.E. What Natural Selection proves is that it is possible to have complex structures arise from simpler structures. Natural Selection does not prove how the very first life form, bacteria-esque single cell life, began. But what Natural Selection does prove and explain is that once you do have a simple form of life, more complex life forms can derive and evolve through Natural Selection. No prime mover, more complex entity is required. This is why Natural Selection is such a powerful proof, it is the only mechanism ever proven to create complexity from simplicity.
@@DarwinsStepChildren Actually it is not the same as evolution, because from any logical deduction people can derive at God being as infinite=not defined=not limited=uncaused=necessary entity with true/total free will, and that does not requires any religious doctrines involved, The other concepts of Gods and nature of God is from religious doctrines, which are just added colours to the plain canvas of a being that is infinite and with will by humans. Any concept before multiplying into myriad forms has to be ONE. That is the common sense.
Stonehenge, and Pyramids are simple and basic shape of arrangements, nothing complex in it, so the one arranging them could be simple itself, why are we assuming complexity is required for anything that is arranged in forms?
The notion of God does not come from that assumption, it comes from the notion that a cause cannot give what it doesn't have which is now known as principal of proportional causality. Early humans saw people, animals and plants being born and dying, so they came to conclusion that something gives life which makes them animated and then takes it, after all life and death is the first experience any individual experience. And that is how Animism also began.
*What Natural Selection proves is that it is possible to have complex structures arise from simpler structures.*
Yes it is self-evident that simple shapes can create complex patterns, but that does not explain, what is limiting and defining these simple shapes. Finite limited objects cannot consciously limit themselves nor define their own functionality.
@@iznij3284 I have no idea how you define logical deduction, but you are including desire into your deductions, which is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with logic. All that is necessary is the universe. Infinite and free will is not a logical deduction from the necessity of the universe. As an example, even if some deity did create the universe, there is no reason why this deity could not have created this universe and then stopped existing after the universe was created. Also, even if the universe was created by a deity, there is no logical path to deduce that this deity must have free will. Adding the attributes of free will and infinite to this deity are simply attributes you desire the deity to possess, there is no logical deduction that takes one to this conclusion. Also, you have just proven that it is the same as evolution. You have defined a deity, you have defined a deity to be infinite and to have free will. You can call this Izni J's god, which still falls into the category of which god when you are talking about god. The principal of proportional causality is meaningless, because you always end up with the question: What caused, created god? This is the argument Carl Sagan gave. No matter what your answer is to what caused, created god, can also be applied to the universe itself. If you answer that god wasn't and didn't need to be created, then you can also answer that the laws and energy that formed the universe always existed and didn't need to be created. If you are going to answer that what created god was X, then you can also simply say that X created the universe, and there was no need for God. God is an unnecessary step that is included only through Homo sapien desire, not through logical deduction.
@@DarwinsStepChildren
logical deduction, which is the route for deductive arguments, if a general rule is self-evidently true then conclusion is necessary true, it does not have anything to do with desires like you mentioned or I should say, you assuming about my statements. Logic is independent of desires. And no universe is contingent thing, a possible thing, hence it is not a necessary thing. As universe could have been otherwise if the dispersion from big bang was later or earlier, faster or slower. And any astrophysics can confirm this by creating computer simulation of particle distribution after the big bang. By saying universe is necessary, what you are doing is called appealing to necessity in logic, based on what? what is your basis for making universe necessary, in logic necessary means something that does not have cause/dependence for its existence, as a necessary thing it should exist due to necessity of its own nature, and we all know universe is a caused reality for us, because there was no universe before big bang.
*deity could not have created this universe and then stopped existing after the universe was created.*
Your understanding of concept of God seems very, very shallow. A God by nature is infinite, and infinite being creates infinitely, meaning God creates perpetually, as every event is a new creation, where particles and sub-atomic particles are newly created into existence with their defined properties, every instance. Just like one draws picture flip-book.
*Also, even if the universe was created by a deity, there is no logical path to deduce that this deity must have free will.*
Yes there is, and this is how you logically deduce, all one has to do is avoid logical fallacies like appeal to necessity and infinite regress:
There are only two possible explanations to anything that is finite and limited you observe in universe,
1. It is a result of building blocks more fundamental than itself which are also finite and limited or
2. Something that is unlike itself and non-finite or limited gave them their defined properties,
If you go by route 1 then it results in contradictions as non-finite, temporal, limited things cannot infinitely exist backwards, it results in regress of events and present existence will not be there. As to form a single molecules there would require infinite amount of mechanisms, and infinite has no beginning nor end, therefore a foundation/starting point is imperative and essential.
If you Go by route 2 then that leads to necessary existence, that is non-finite = uncaused = infinite=exist necessary due to its own nature, with will to initiate and give properties to everything defined. That includes universe itself. This necessary existence is the God, deduced by many philosophers and theologians . And this does not require any religious doctrines to come to a rational deduction to know existence of an entity called God.
How do we know necessary existence has will/intent:
There are only three possible explanations:
(1) something internal mechanism inside of it, forces it to create universes
(2) something external cause outside to it, aids it to create universe
(3) It initiates by its own free will
A. So, if we take first possibility (1) that there is internal mechanism in that necessary cause, the question arises, so what is making the internal mechanism make universes, does it have more fundamental smaller mechanisms? And more fundamental mechanism to that too? Basically, the necessary cause is compelled to create universes due to the mechanisms more fundamental to itself that are pushing it towards making universes. And if we have to wait for these infinite mechanisms to take place for universe to exist then this will lead to regress of internal mechanisms which is contradiction to existent reality.
B. Now, if we take the second possibility (2) that this necessary cause (Nc) has some external aid or cause outside it to make universes, then that makes this external aid as a first cause (Fc), and what is causing this Fc to aid the Nc? It is another essential cause (Ec) and this can go on ad infinitum again. Which is again a contradiction to existent reality.
C. If you take the third scenario, that this necessary cause has ability to initiate action itself, it chooses freely to make universes, without any prior internal or external cause. This is what we understand to be true free will.
As humans we have external and internal causes for our ability to choose, we cannot validate true free will, but we still understand it, as it is not something outside of human scope of comprehension, just like concepts of infinite, uncaused, eternal, necessary. They cannot be validated but comprehended. so (1) and (2) get you to infinite regress again, whereas (3) gives necessary existence with true free will.
So, just by omitting the logical contradictions, anyone can get to a conclusion that God is an/a uncaused/infinite/necessary cause with true free will, regardless of any theological biases or doctrines. And this is not a deistic god, a God with will has purpose for its creation.
*The principal of proportional causality is meaningless*
That is your subjective opinion which can be falsified by real life example. Give a blind person a palette of color and tell him to select sky blue and draw sky, without telling or giving hints where the color is located or what sky is. He will not be able to because a blind person does not have experience in him, to perceive color, or what sky is. So since He does not have that knowledge, he cannot give that to what he creates on canvas. That is a practical example of principle of proportional causality. Another example would be if I say nimpocoopus is sitting beside me, you will not know what that corresponds to because you have neither heard that name before nor have any knowledge of its attributes for you to imagine what it could possibly be. All you can infer/know is that it can sit, and it is a limited/defined entity.
*What caused, created god? This is the argument Carl Sagan gave.*
And I can say Carl Sagan is wrong, because he never seriously thought about logical fallacies such as infinite regress. His assumption is that God is of same composition as universe hence follows same physical restrictions, which is a fallacy of begging the question, We know that universe is composed of defined particles, they are defined because we can measure them. We cannot measure anything beyond universe, as there is no method to do so. Hence anything that exist beyond universe is infinite by default. If it is finite then the question is who defined it, and to define means to give limits, boundaries, and properties to something. Universe is finite because we can measure and label its fundamental laws. God isn't because god is unlike universe by logical deduction by avoiding logical contradictions.
A robot made by you will not be of same composition like you, although it is made of matter, it will not have blood, cells and will to do things on its own. So assuming that a deity will be of same composition as universe is again would be fallacy. And that is what Carl Sagan did, and most atheist still do. Saying that a deity has a cause does not negate the existence of such a being to begin with. It just creates infinite regress. As explained in the deduction above.
*If you answer that god wasn't and didn't need to be created, then you can also answer that the laws and energy that formed the universe always existed and didn't need to be created*
Energy in universe can be measured and it is not infinite, Because it is measured to be as 0. And infinite is something that cannot be measured. So on what basis are you saying that universal energy which is maintained at 0 constancy is not being done so by a will. After all universe and its laws are not conscious. This is you again making appeal to necessity.
The post is getting too long, I will let you digest this first.
I hear no good reason not to believe in God from this guy. All his reasons are easily knocked down.
@Rafa Towers The extraordinary claim is god and there is no evidence for that.
@@anthonycraig274 Why do you assume that Atheism is the default position?
@@speakbigtruth9383 I think this is worthy of a honest answer.
If a child brought up without an idea of religion or god, the idea wouldn’t be approached if the child was given a good education. Children are not born religious, it’s taught.
My mother was a Christian, and brought my siblings and I up to believe in god. It never stuck, even after reading the bible.
I have studies history and many of the dead and classic religions, including
The history of Egyptology and their gods.
What I found was the idea of the of gods was copped and rehashed stories from many cultures, and countries. Even the idea of a single god came from one of the Pharaohs Akhenaten, the cult grew to what we know now as Judaism.
Just like Afairyism, Adragonism, Aleprechaunism, AUnicornism, just like you don’t believe in Sunday, the god of the Sun, gods of Moon god Monday, Tiu god of war from the name Tuesday, Wednesday… I think you understand.
Hundreds of thousands of religion has been killed off one way or another, how do you know that the true idea of god hasn’t been destroyed. How do you know the god you are worshiping is the right one. How do you know there is a god when the more we know, the less evidence there is one. Surly it would be the other way round.
@@anthonycraig274 What reason do you have to believe that if a child grows up with out being taught about God the child wouldn’t think there was one? Evidence shows the opposite. Look through out history the people from all over believe in God. Also psychologist have confirmed the idea of a creator in young children in atheist families. About your other questions: I know God exists. The more we know the more reasons there are to conclude the existence of God.
@@speakbigtruth9383 Because it has been done. I would even go as far to say that without exposure to other human minds, that child would grows up no different from any wild animal. Even after being introduced into a culture after 15 years old, they will never be able to acquire language. Now, does this sound like a default to god? Really?